In an age full of lifehacks, self-help books, and productivity gurus, many of us only end up busier and more stressed than we were before. What if there’s a better way to live a full, fruitful life?

 "The world is bursting with wonder,” says Oliver Burkeman, “and yet it's the rare productivity guru who seems to have considered the possibility that the ultimate point of all our frenetic doing might be to experience more of that wonder."

 In this episode, he discusses his New York Times Bestselling book 4000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, dispelling many contemporary ideas about productivity, and instead suggesting a wonder-fueled, counterintuitive method for flourishing in the world.

Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman

 "The Antidote" by Oliver Burkeman

 “A Testament of Devotion” by Thomas Raymond Kelly 

 Catherine Andrews, "Why You're Going About Recovering from Perfectionism All Wrong"

 “Man’s Search for Meaning” by Victor Frankl

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Seven Ways to Ruin Your Life: Rebecca DeYoung

 The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry: John Mark Comer

 The Power of Sabbath Rest: Judith Shulevitz

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Kelly Corrigan.

“What percentage of all pain in the world is related to wanting to belong?”

 Kelly Corrigan - who you may know as a New York Times bestselling author and the host of a number of popular radio and TV shows - was a young mother of two when she and her beloved father were both diagnosed with cancer. It was, to say the least, an immensely difficult time.

 Yet, she found her way through it by relying heavily on her tendency to be vulnerable, rather than hiding her pain from others. “It's just fodder for us to be closer,” she says of her suffering. “The point is to connect.” In this episode, she shares her story, along with much wisdom gleaned from a life of leaning into vulnerability.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Tell Me More” by Kelly Corrigan

 “The Middle Place” by Kelly Corrigan

 “Tell Me More” on PBS

 Kelly Corrigan Wonders Podcast

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

 Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Episode

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“What percentage of all pain in the world is related to wanting to belong?”

 Kelly Corrigan - who you may know as a New York Times bestselling author and the host of a number of popular radio and TV shows - was a young mother of two when she and her beloved father were both diagnosed with cancer. It was, to say the least, an immensely difficult time.

 Yet, she found her way through it by relying heavily on her tendency to be vulnerable, rather than hiding her pain from others. “It's just fodder for us to be closer,” she says of her suffering. “The point is to connect.” In this episode, she shares her story, along with much wisdom gleaned from a life of leaning into vulnerability.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 “Tell Me More” by Kelly Corrigan

 “The Middle Place” by Kelly Corrigan

 “Tell Me More” on PBS

 Kelly Corrigan Wonders Podcast

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 William Paul Young: Author of The Shack

 Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Meghan Sullivan.

What does it mean to live a good life, and how do we start?

 On our show, we make it a habit of repeating our tagline: “Exploring what it means to live a good life.” But in this episode, we address the issue head-on, with the help of Notre Dame Professor of Philosophy Meghan Sullivan.

 We discuss her book “The Good Life Method,” which gives helpful insight about the kinds of questions philosophers and theologians have been asking for millennia: What does it mean to pursue a life worth living? What sort of end ought we keep in mind in all our doing and living and being? And how might we get there?

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 "The Good Life Method" by Meghan Sullivan

 "On Bullshit" by Harry G. Frankfurt

 “The Will To Believe” by William James

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life

 Charles Duhigg: The Power of Habit

 Rebecca DeYoung: The Seven Deadly Sins

 Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: The Good Life

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Episode

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What does it mean to live a good life, and how do we start?

 On our show, we make it a habit of repeating our tagline: “Exploring what it means to live a good life.” But in this episode, we address the issue head-on, with the help of Notre Dame Professor of Philosophy Meghan Sullivan.

 We discuss her book “The Good Life Method,” which gives helpful insight about the kinds of questions philosophers and theologians have been asking for millennia: What does it mean to pursue a life worth living? What sort of end ought we keep in mind in all our doing and living and being? And how might we get there?

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 "The Good Life Method" by Meghan Sullivan

 "On Bullshit" by Harry G. Frankfurt

 “The Will To Believe” by William James

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life

 Charles Duhigg: The Power of Habit

 Rebecca DeYoung: The Seven Deadly Sins

 Robert Waldinger and Marc Schulz: The Good Life

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with The Hillbilly Thomists.

There aren’t many Billboard-charting bluegrass bands made up entirely of Catholic Dominican Friars, who play their shows clad in white tunics and rosaries. In fact, there is precisely one such band: the Hillbilly Thomists.

 “A Thomist is someone who follows the thought and theological teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas,” they explain. “We combine it with a little bit of humor about our human condition.” In this episode, they talk about their theology and vocation, as well as how they manage life on the road as priests who have taken a vow of poverty. Plus, they give live performances of some of their finest songs.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 The Hillbilly Thomists’ Website

 Similar NSE episodes:

 N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry

 Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life

 Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Episode

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There aren’t many Billboard-charting bluegrass bands made up entirely of Catholic Dominican Friars, who play their shows clad in white tunics and rosaries. In fact, there is precisely one such band: the Hillbilly Thomists.

 “A Thomist is someone who follows the thought and theological teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas,” they explain. “We combine it with a little bit of humor about our human condition.” In this episode, they talk about their theology and vocation, as well as how they manage life on the road as priests who have taken a vow of poverty. Plus, they give live performances of some of their finest songs.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 The Hillbilly Thomists’ Website

 Similar NSE episodes:

 N.T. Wright and the Bancroft Brothers: Theology and Poetry

 Edith Hall: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life

 Drew Holcomb: Fighting Dragons and Singing at Loss

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Audrey Assad.

“Why shouldn’t I question that?”

This was the question that started Audrey Assad on a journey away from the faith of her childhood and early adulthood. It’s a question that, years later, is still a guiding light for her towards healing and truth-seeking.

But asking such questions after years as an acclaimed singer-songwriter in the Christian music industry comes at a cost. Today, Audrey discusses her unreleased memoir “Doubt Becomes Wonder: Embracing the Loss of Everything You Thought You Knew.” They discuss healing from childhood wounds, the consequent navigation of doubt, and Audrey’s experience as a woman in the church.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 Audrey’s website

 "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel van der Kolk

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

 Joy Oladokun: Listen, Love, and Turn the Other Cheek

 Transcript of Abridged Episode

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“Sometimes artists have to take a chance and be vulnerable.”

 Drew Holcomb and Audrey Assad are two such artists, whose brilliance is in large part due to their vulnerability.

 Drew was once heralded by Rolling Stone as “one of Americana’s most popular stars,” and yet he is quick to note that “the human heart was not built for notoriety.” He describes the complex road he took to full-time artistry, his relationship with his fans, the tragic loss of his brother, and more.

 Audrey found success in the Christian music industry, until her quest for authenticity and truth led her in a new direction. She shares her story, speaking honestly about traumas and doubts that brought her to where she is now.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 Drew’s website

 Audrey’s website

 "The Body Keeps the Score" by Bessel van der Kolk

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded

 Christian Wiman: The Opposite of Faith is Certainty

 Joy Oladokun: Listen, Love, and Turn the Other Cheek

 Transcription Link

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This is our unabridged interview with Peter Levine.

 “In order to really move through trauma,” says Peter Levine, “we have to do that in the body.”

 As a psychologist with much of his own trauma to work through, Peter has spent his career researching ways to help himself and others come to healing and wholeness. In this episode, he discusses his memoir “An Autobiography of Trauma,” in which he uses his own life story to illustrate his findings.

 From a standing meeting with an imagined Albert Einstein, to a host of life-changing dreams, listen as he shares how both his professional research and mystical personal experience have taught him much about the ways our bodies hold trauma, and how we can learn to pay attention to our lives and find healing.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 "An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey" by Peter Levine

 "Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma" by Peter Levine

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain

 Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

 Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance

 Curt Thompson: The Soul of Shame

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcript of Abridged Episode

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“In order to really move through trauma,” says Peter Levine, “we have to do that in the body.”

 As a psychologist with much of his own trauma to work through, Peter has spent his career researching ways to help himself and others come to healing and wholeness. In this episode, he discusses his memoir “An Autobiography of Trauma,” in which he uses his own life story to illustrate his findings.

 From a standing meeting with an imagined Albert Einstein, to a host of life-changing dreams, listen as he shares how both his professional research and mystical personal experience have taught him much about the ways our bodies hold trauma, and how we can learn to pay attention to our lives and find healing.

 Show Notes

 Resources mentioned this episode:

 "An Autobiography of Trauma: A Healing Journey" by Peter Levine

 "Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma" by Peter Levine

 Similar NSE episodes:

 Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain

 Kristin Neff: The Power of Self-Compassion

 Tara Brach: Radical Acceptance

 Curt Thompson: The Soul of Shame

 PDF of Lee's Interview Notes

 Transcription Link

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