Named a best podcast of 2023 by Vulture, Time, The Economist, & Vogue. No question too big, no question too small. On Search Engine, host PJ Vogt answers the kinds of questions you might ask the internet when you can't sleep. If you find the world bewildering, but also sometimes enjoy being bewildered by it, we're here for you. Edited by Sruthi Pinnamaneni.

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In this month’s Jen Hatmaker Book Club episode, we speak with the author of A Woman of Intelligence, Karin Tanabe. In this fascinating interview, we learn that Karin originally set out to write a book about WWII women code breakers, but ended up turning it into an ode to the struggles of women finding themselves during early motherhood and the imminent right they have to a future chosen for themselves. The story follows a woman in the 50’s who sets out on a spy adventure, departing wildly from her mundane life, and making difficult choices that come with choosing yourself over society’s whims.

Jen and Karin personally and candidly reflect on the pressures of motherhood, the erasure of self that can come with parenting full time, and the history that brought us to where we are today.

Some topic points include: 

• The fascinating pivot from Tanabe's original book pitch to the creation of "A Woman of Intelligence"
• Discussion of rarely-taught aspects of U.S. history, including government-funded childcare during WWII
• Tanabe’s approach to crafting complex characters, including the memorable mother-in-law
• The careful construction of the novel's open-ended finale

Join Jen and Karin for an engaging conversation that will leave you eager to dive into "A Woman of Intelligence" and reflect on how far we've come – and how far we still have to go.

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Resources & Books Mentioned in This Episode:

A Woman of Intelligence by Karin Tanabe - https://bit.ly/47GdbxI

The Sunset Crowd by Karin Tanabe - https://www.karintanabe.com/copy-of-the-list

A Hundred Suns - https://www.karintanabe.com/a-hundred-suns

Karin’s Booklist - https://www.karintanabe.com/books-w3tou

Elizabeth Bentley - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bentley

The Lanham Act of 1940 (Government-Subsidized Health Care) - https://bit.ly/3XS2Uen

The Red Scare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare

The Cliffs by J. Courtney Sullivan - https://bit.ly/4evbYLG

Private Equity: A Memoir by Carrie Sun - https://bit.ly/3Bbgy3w

Eyeliner by Zahra Hankir - https://bit.ly/4gDgdqC

Guest’s Links:

Karin’s Website: https://www.karintanabe.com/

Karin’s Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/karintanabe

Karin’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karintanabe

Karin’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/authorkarintanabe

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This week Jen and Amy dive deep into the mind of bestselling author and one of the most influential thinkers of the 2000’s, Malcolm Gladwell. Exploring the intriguing concepts behind his latest book, The Revenge of the Tipping Point, the conversation ebbs and flows through Malcolm's ability to turn dense data into compelling narratives, weaving stories that captivate readers in unexpected ways. Jen and Amy key into Malcolm's knack for viewing problems from unique angles, a skill that sets him apart in academic and popular discourse. 

Throughout the chat, Malcolm reveals how his perspectives have evolved over the last 25 years and how the nuances of today's world demand a fresh interpretation of the ideas that he first introduced. Their discussion underscores the blend of rigorous analysis and storytelling magic that defines Malcolm's work and leaves a lasting impact on listeners eager to engage with the pressing questions of our time.

Malcolm gives us insight into all manner of cultural phenomena, including: 

• A definition of “overstories” and how they can refine and deepen our understanding of the spread of customs, mores, and practices
• The advent of “superspreaders:” those very few people who have a large amount of influence, a situation which has shifted with the onset of social media
• Snippets of fascinating social observations, illustrated in stories from his book including a look at the opioid epidemic, the growing mental health issues of students, and the power of television shows like “Will & Grace,” toward creating massive cultural shifts 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“The overstory that is over our heads right now that we're not thinking about is one that says the most important way to understand ourselves and our differences from others is to look through the lens of politics. I think political ideology has somehow kind of become central in a way that it wasn't 25 years ago. That's a kind of weird thing going on right now that we're sort of not paying attention to. I'm hopeful that will shift. I would much rather people find themselves using other categories. Because there are other categories that are far more meaningful.” - Malcolm Gladwell

"If you look at platforms like Twitter or TikTok, you'll see that a very small number of people have a massive amount of reach. As we examine how we're influenced, it's clear that the sources and individuals projecting influence in the world are getting smaller and smaller — which is weird, because we initially thought the opposite was happening." - Malcolm Gladwell

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

What’s Going On by Marvin Gaye - https://bit.ly/3TLRne5

Sunday Bloody Sunday by U2 - https://bit.ly/4gQTdEC

Losing My Religion by R.E.M - https://open.spotify.com/track/31AOj9sFz2gM0O3hMARRBx

Malcolm’s Book List - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/landing-page/malcolm-gladwell-books/

Revenge of the Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell - https://bit.ly/3XYc7BN

Anna Muller - https://umdearborn.edu/people-um-dearborn/anna-muller

Seth Robertson - https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/people/seth-robertson

Will and Grace - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_%26_Grace

Guest’s Links:

Malcolm’s Website - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/

Malcolm’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/gladwell

Malcolm’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/malcolmgladwellbooks/

Malcolm’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/malcolmgladwell/

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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This week, step into the studio (and kitchen!) with Jen and Amy as they have an intimate and insightful conversation with the iconic Ina Garten, a true pioneer in the culinary world who has shaped the way we cook at home. As they delve into Ina's groundbreaking career, from the beloved Barefoot Contessa specialty food shop to the 28 seasons of her cherished TV show, you'll discover the heart and humor behind Ina's success. Amidst laughter and heartwarming tales, the conversation takes a deeper turn as Ina opens up about her new memoir, “Be Ready When the Luck Happens,” providing candid insights into her life, including her early days with husband Jeffrey and the triumphs and challenges that have defined her journey. 

Topics include: 

• Being open to unexpected opportunities can lead to fulfilling paths.
• The importance of maintaining a sense of humor and lightheartedness on the journey to success and connection.
• Behind the scenes of Ina’s relationship with her husband of 56 years, Jeffrey, where she underscores the value of strong support systems and partnerships in achieving balance and joy.

Whether you're a longtime fan or new to Ina's world, this episode offers a personal glimpse into the life of a culinary legend who continues to inspire us all.

PLUS don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussion about foods they ate as kids that they wouldn’t dare touch now, and the cooking shows that first caught their attention as young wives and moms.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I think that we all need one person and we don't need a lot of people, just need one person who really believes in us. And fortunately for me, it was Jeffrey…He always made me feel like I was smart and I could accomplish anything I wanted to do with no reservations, no judgment. And it doesn't have to be a spouse. It can be a sister. It can be a teacher. It can be a parent. We all need to find that one person who really believes in us. At least that's my experience.” - Ina Garten

“I think one of the things that we're always taught when we're young is; what are you going to be when you grow up? And you're not going to be one thing anymore. You're going to do something and it's going to lead to something else, and then it's going to lead to something else. If you decide when you're young what you're going to be and that's it, you're never going to learn anything. I think it's the twists and turns that are really interesting.” - Ina Garten

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book

Be My Guest with Ina Garten - https://bit.ly/3TvsfIx

Be Ready When Luck Happens: A Memoir by Ina Garten - https://bit.ly/3ZndFqh

Strapless: John Singer Sargent and the Fall of Madame X by Deborah Davis - https://bit.ly/3XPOo76

Party of the Century: The Fabulous Story of Truman Capote and His Black and White Ball by Deborah Davis - https://bit.ly/4gvQ6l6

The Oprah Winfrey Show: Reflections on an American Legacy - https://bit.ly/47r1QS1

Tina Turner: My Love Story - https://bit.ly/3Xu76j1

Ina Garten on 60 Minutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REyYFeqEKZg

An Unmarried Woman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Unmarried_Woman

Ina’s Interview with John Grisham - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ9jYxkbm6s

Guest’s Links:

Barefoot Contessa (Ina’s Website) - https://barefootcontessa.com/

Ina’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/InaGarten

Ina’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOlnd-2UlwJuWcnfEKt28yg

Ina’s Pinterest - https://br.pinterest.com/inaofficial/

Ina’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/inagarten/

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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Leanne Morgan was going to quit her career as a stand up comic and start a hardware store (with a cheese wheel, no less!) before she had her major break in comedy. Making the decision to invest in herself one last time opened the doors to an incredible season and newfound success in the comedy world.

Jen, Amy, and Leanne get candid when talking about what it means to be the best version of themselves in their second act of life, and when success comes later, why it can be better than having all your dreams come true at once. 

Topics discussed include:

• Behind the scenes of Leanne’s viral success at 51
• Why being yourself is always the best answer to any problem
• How handling criticism at their ages is so much easier to deal with
• The cornbread drama — do you add sugar or not?

Also; don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussions before the interview on Taylor Swift drama and FOMO!

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

"Use humor to get through hard times. I think it's the best thing that can ever happen to anybody is to be able to laugh through the bad times and to forgive themselves." - Leanne Morgan

"I want [women] to know it is never too late...you're the best you've ever been. You're the smartest you've ever been. It is the best time in your life. It is the best time to start a business. It is the best time to go back to school. I just want women to know that." - Leanne Morgan

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

What in the World? by Leanne Morgan - https://www.leannemorgan.com/book

Quiet by Susan Cain - https://susancain.net/book/quiet/

For the Love Podcast Episode ft. Jim Gaffigan - https://bit.ly/3Ximuij

Leanne’s Interview with Hallerin Hilton Hill - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xdJyhnLuc

You’re Cordially Invited - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xdJyhnLuc

Leanne Morgan at the Grand Ole Opry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFYMFOok5s4

Guest’s Links:

Leanne’s Website - https://www.leannemorgan.com/

Leanne’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/leannecomedy

Leanne’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/leannemorgancomedy

Leanne’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/leannemorgancomedy

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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At the height of her worldly and academic success garnering three Harvard degrees, Martha Beck received life altering news, and discovered that maybe she didn’t know everything. This set off a lifetime of pursuing ways to soothe her nervous system from anxiety and find freedom in a new purpose.

In a world where anxiety seems to be spiraling out of control, Martha offers a revolutionary approach to understanding and befriending anxiety. Drawing from cutting-edge neuroscience and her years of experience coaching people through what she calls the “Change Cycle,” Martha shares:

• The four phases of the “Change Cycle”
• Why anxiety is on the rise and how it's affecting us all
• The unexpected connection between anxiety and creativity
• How to access your own creative genius

You’re also not going to want to miss Jen and Amy’s discussions before the interview on embracing the mantra “it’s never too late” and Jen’s incurable attachment to an ancient email address.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

"Hold it [stability] very lightly. Let it go. Because everything is always moving and changing." - Dr. Martha Beck

"If you try to speed yourself through the process of letting go, of grieving your losses, of at least giving a really deep, profound, heartfelt farewell to the life you used to have — if you don't go through that process, nothing good is going to come of it. You're going to end up in lifelong therapy." Dr. Martha Beck

“There is a sensation deeper than the mind, more profound than anything we could think, and in some ways, far more powerful than emotion. It is a kind of stillness, a connection. I believe that this is what consciousness is. It behaves this way when it is neither us nor a substance. It is a vibrantly alive stillness that pervades the universe, however many there are. And we are part of it; we are indistinguishable from it.” - Dr. Martha Beck

"The first step to getting out of anxiety is to recognize that an anxious brain is not a broken machine--it's a frightened animal." - Dr. Martha Beck

“The moment you move into a place of compassion, you use your brain very differently than when you’re in an anxiety spiral. This shift frees you to pull your attention away from the anxiety and begin being loving with yourself.” - Dr. Martha Beck

"You were born a creative genius. Your mind is so capable of solving the problems that make you anxious, but only if you free that genius. And anxiety keeps it caged." - Dr. Martha Beck

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Dr. Becks Monthly O Magazine Column - https://www.oprah.com/spirit/martha-beck/all

Bewildered Podcast with Dr. Martha Beck & Rowan Mangan - https://bit.ly/3zkyic2

The Gathering Room Podcast with Dr. Martha Beck - https://bit.ly/3XquFsV

The Way of Integrity Finding the Path to Your True Self - https://bit.ly/3ziwm3F

Nisargadatta Maharaj - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisargadatta_Maharaj

NASA’s Creative Genius Study - https://bit.ly/4dSoFAl

Wildr App - https://apps.apple.com/my/app/wildr/id1604130204

Guest’s Links:

Dr. Beck's Website: https://marthabeck.com

Dr. Beck's Wayfinder Life Coach Training: https://marthabeck.com/life-coach-training/

Dr. Beck's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/themarthabeck/

Dr. Beck's upcoming book: https://marthabeck.com/beyond-anxiety/

Courses & Retreats with Dr. Beck: https://marthabeck.com/courses-training/

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

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Jen and New York Times best-selling author, Phaedra Patrick, discuss “The Little Italian Hotel” and how finding a way through heartache can look wildly different from one person to the next. 

Phaedra was a self-taught writer who almost gave up on her dream before she had a breakthrough with her runaway hit, “The Curious Charms of Arthur Pepper.” In her darkest moments she always reminds herself, “When I don’t feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” With that boldness in mind, she writes novels to make people feel good about themselves and want to connect with others. 

Particularly compelling moments between Jen and Phaedra include:

• Phaedra’s incredible story of teaching herself to write and dealing with rejection in the beginning of her career
• The author's insights on the challenges women face on putting themselves first
• Phaedra’s reasoning on the open ending of the book
• Why connecting with others in warm and gentle spaces can lead to healing

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“When I don't feel confident, I just tell myself that I can always feel determined instead.” - Phaedra Patrick

Resources and Books Mentioned in This Episode:

The Little Italian Hotel by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4fJ92fJ

The Year of What If by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/4drmseX

Rise and Shine, Benedict Stone by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3X3ugOr

The Curious Charms Of Arthur Pepper by Phaedra Patrick - https://bit.ly/3WIQWSw

Garden Spells by Sarah Addison Allen - https://bit.ly/3YKUsyA

The Authenticity Project by Clare Pooley - https://bit.ly/4fC6XT7

The Love of My After Life by Kirsty Greenwood - https://bit.ly/46SffSQ

Phaedra’s Writing Tips - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/writing-tips

Guest’s Links:

Phaedra’s Website - https://www.phaedra-patrick.com/

Phaedra’s Instagram - http://instagram.com/phaedrapatrick

Phaedra’s Twitter - http://twitter.com/phaedrapatrick

Phaedra’s Facebook - http://facebook.com/phaedrapatrick

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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Have you ever met someone who’s excited about menopause? It might seem like a rare breed, but isn’t it time we reconsider our relationship with aging? While society often tells us that 50 should look like 30, the reality is that growing older is a badge of honor—even if it comes with its own set of quirks. Menopause, instead of being a dreaded foe, is more like an old friend that invites us to a new chapter filled with wisdom, laughter, and some hilariously unpredictable moments. 

Rather than shying away from this natural transition, Cheryl Bridges Johns encourages us to lean into it, celebrating the changes and uncovering the vibrant selves we’ve always been. Through her insightful book, “Seven Transforming Gifts of Menopause,” she illuminates the idea that this phase is an opportunity for rediscovery—like uncovering a hidden treasure chest on a stormy day. As we navigate these waters together, it's easier to see that aging is not the end; it’s merely the beginning of a bravely authentic and empowered life. PLUS an all new episode intro from Amy and Jen who get into a Rant & Rave segment about the joys of permimenopause and menopause that you won’t want to miss.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Women are allowed to age but we are not allowed to mature.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns

“We're the daughters of the Silent Generation but our daughters don't have to be.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns

“Menopause is a gift to revisit. What did you let go, what did you repress? The uncovering of menopause is like a storm that comes in and you realize there’s a ship where you couldn’t see it before. It was hidden and the storm became a clearing, an uncovering.” - Cheryl Bridges Johns

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

The Silent Passage - Gail Sheehy - https://bit.ly/4dTE1Ve 

How to Survive a Shipwreck: Help Is on the Way and Love is Already Here - Jonathan Martin - https://bit.ly/4gaB5oL 

The Wisdom of Menopause: Creating Physical and Emotional Health During Change - Christiane Northrup - https://bit.ly/3TifroB 

Jen’s Blog - What’s Saving My Life Right Now: Perimenopause Edition - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/pages/perimenopause-survival-guide

Guest’s Links:

Cheryl's Website - https://cherylbjohns.com 

Cheryl's Twitter - https://twitter.com/cb_johns 

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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It’s election season, and it’s been an interesting ride to this cycle’s moment of truth! Jen and Amy dive deep into the heart of the upcoming 2024 election with the insightful women from Pantsuit Politics–Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers. The conversation centers around the distinct dynamics shaping this election, along with insight as to why it’s vastly different from 2016; sparking a thought-provoking dialogue about the evolving political landscape. 

With Vice President Kamala Harris potentially on the brink of breaking barriers as our first female president, the discussion also touches on the hopes and challenges ahead. Sarah and Beth were participants at the Democratic National Convention in August, and they share what that experience was like, and how it informed their views of the current political terrain. As we look to a potentially historic outcome, Beth and Sarah share practical ways we can engage in the process and build community as we navigate this pivotal moment together.

You also won’t want to miss a new GenXcellence segment where Jen and Amy reminisce about their first voting experiences. 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“Humans rising to the moment; that just never gets old to me. That's what politics can really be--including politicians who I know get a really bad rap. But watching them come into a moment they couldn't have expected, watching history show up on their doorsteps and go, all right, let's do it. I think it's just been so exhilarating”. - Sarah Stewart Holland

“I could talk all day about all the things that Vice President Harris has done that no one talks about. I have been on the train for years that Biden needed to be a one term president, and that she was an excellent successor to him. And I think it's played out in a really strange way that presents some challenges, but also some opportunities for her. I am thrilled that America is finally getting to have a real introduction to her.” - Beth Silvers

“Good governance needs people advocating for really different approaches to legislation, to policy, to issues, to messaging.” - Beth Silvers

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Project 2025 - https://bit.ly/3XqR2jt

New York Times Article about Jelly Roll - https://bit.ly/3MrFrKv

I Think Your’re Wrong (But I'm Listening) by Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://www.amazon.com/Think-Youre-Wrong-Listening-Conversations/dp/1400208416

Now What? By Sarah Stewart Holland & Beth Silvers - https://bit.ly/4cOXV2b

Guest’s Links:

Pantsuit Politics Website - https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com/

Pantsuit Politics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics/

Pantsuit Politics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pantsuitpolitics/

Pantsuit Politics Twitter - https://bit.ly/3Xsx32H

Pantsuit Politics Substack - https://substack.com/@pantsuitpolitics

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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It’s a brand new season of the show and we are thrilled to have Amy Hardin, Jen’s longtime friend, join us on the podcast for a whole new adventure in laughing at ourselves and learning from our incredible guests. 

The Lazy Genius herself, Kendra Adachi, joins Jen and Amy today to challenge our culture's obsession with productivity and time management. Kendra offers a revolutionary perspective: the problem isn't you — it's the capitalistic, patriarchal culture we've all been raised in. Kendra unpacks why traditional productivity advice often fails women and shares a more compassionate approach for managing busy lives. 

Whether you're drowning in laundry, juggling work and family, or simply craving a kinder way to approach your days, this conversation will leave you feeling seen, encouraged, and equipped with practical strategies.

Discover how to:

• Shift your mindset from pursuing 'greatness' to embracing contentment
• Take small, sustainable steps instead of attempting drastic overhauls
• Adapt your systems to fit your unique life and needs
• Find freedom from rigid to-do lists and unrealistic expectations

Don't miss Kendra's sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Plan' - it just might change your life!

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

"I thought I just had to try harder or give up. And those are not the only two options, everybody. There's a wide middle between ‘try hard’ and ‘give up.’ And so that's when I pivoted my online writing to this space to the Lazy Genius Ecosystem, as you called it, which is, 'let's be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. And everyone gets to choose what those things are.'" - Kendra Adachi

"I think that we forget that the paradigm that we all live under in a Western, capitalistic, patriarchal society is not one that supports what I'm talking about in many ways. And so, it's hard to do. It's very, very hard because the waters that we live in really do not support this kind of idea. So the problem is not you is what I'm saying. The problem is not you." - Kendra Adachi

"Your to-do list is not the boss of you. It's a tool." - Kendra Adachi

“93% of time management productivity books are written by men.” - Kendra Adachi

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book

The Lazy Genius Podcast - https://bit.ly/4drs4WB

The Lazy Genius Way - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/way

For the Love Podcast ft. Kendra Adachi - https://bit.ly/3WUZdD7

The Plan by Kendra Adachi - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/theplan

For the Love Podcast ft. Emily P. Freeman - https://bit.ly/4cGSRNr

Guest’s Links

Website - https://www.thelazygeniuscollective.com/

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelazygenius/

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It’s an exciting time here at the For the Love Podcast and we are excited to share a brand new season of the show, now featuring Jen’s longtime friend, Amy Hardin! Amy’s been popping into the show all summer, and we’re thrilled to welcome her with an official seat across from Jen for all our upcoming episodes!  

And what better way to get to know Amy and Jen together all over again than to bring on an Enneagram personality typing expert to give the nod to their beautiful partnership.

Ian Cron, author, podcaster and Enneagram expert weighs in on Jen and Amy’s longtime friendship and gives a peek into how he thinks they will mesh as a podcast duo (tip of the hat to any friendships that are a “three” and “six” combo out there!). They also spend a little time talking about the Enneagram types of their partners—highlighting the dynamics in how different types complement (and sometimes clash with) each other. 

If you’re not familiar with the Enneagram, you’re going to be fascinated, and if you are, you’ll love hearing Ian’s incredible insight into many of the 9 personality types. PLUS, Ian for the very first time on any podcast, talks about his brand new book “The Fix: How the Twelve Steps Offer a Surprising Path of Transformation for the Well-Adjusted, the Down-and-Out, and Everyone In Between.”

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“What I love about Enneagram sixes is; you are practical, loyal, and very witty—in a wry, wonderful way. Your humor comes out as being very self-deprecating. Then sometimes, when you're on autopilot, you default to a lot of questioning and self-doubting, and sometimes you'll be seen as being skeptical or anxious.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“What determines the health of a relationship has to do with how much self-awareness each of the two people in it have. So two types of people of any Enneagram type or combination can be great with each other to the degree that they're self-aware and they're doing their own personal work.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“I think the friendship exchange between an Enneagram three and a six is really interesting and beautiful. The three’s ambition and drive are tempered by the six’s caution and loyalty.” - Ian Morgan Cron

“People ask me all the time; are there two Enneagram types that really go better together than other types? I'm like--it's all about how self-aware you are. Any two types can do great together to the degree they're doing their work and sharing the journey of self-discovery.” - Ian Morgan Cron

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

For the Love of The Enneagram - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-27/

For the Love Episode on Enneagram Fours ft. Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3Aa6oPU

Jen Hatmaker Book Club Podcast Episode ft. Hillary McBride - https://bit.ly/3AvW4lL

For the Love Encore Episode ft. Bessel van Der Kolk - https://bit.ly/3YzyRcg

The Story of You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/46FWbam

The Fix It by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/3WzFYyK

The Road Back to You by Ian Cron - https://bit.ly/4dejnPf

The Last Blockbuster - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8704802/

Find out your Enneagram type here: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

Typology with Ian Morgan Cron - https://www.typologypodcast.com/

Guest’s Links:

Ian's Website - https://ianmorgancron.com/

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Ian's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ianmorgancron/?hl=en

Connect with Jen!

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Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker?sub_confirmation=1

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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