The Road Back to You: Looking at Life Through the Lens of the Enneagram

Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanne Stabile

This weekly podcast, hosted by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile, looks at life through the lens Enneagram, an ancient personality type system that describes how human beings are wired. Submit questions with #theroadback2u on twitter.

  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    Connecting the Head and Heart: Knowing When to Observe or Help with Al (2) and Nita (5) Andrews - Episode 32

    This is the series finale of The Road Back to You. On this episode, Ian and Suzanne speak with Al (Enneagram 2 - The Helper) and Nita (Enneagram 5 - The Investigator) Andrews. 

    Al and Nita Andrews have more than 40 collective years counseling couples into healthy relationships. They are active at several ministries in Nashville and Franklin, Tennessee. Porter’s Call, Thistle Farms (paper studio), and St. Augustines Chapel at Vanderbilt. 

    9 June 2017, 2:58 pm
  • 58 minutes 58 seconds
    The Gift of Thinking with Kenny Benge, Enneagram 5 (The Investigator) - Episode 31

    On this week's episode of The Road Back to You, Ian and Suzanne speak with Kenny Benge who is a 5 on the Enneagram. Kenny is a Prior at Church of The Redeemer in Nashville, TN. 



    3 May 2017, 3:52 pm
  • 45 minutes 28 seconds
    Dealing with Your Constant Critic with Ramsey Patton, Enneagram 1 (The Perfectionist) - Episode 30
    One of the Enneagram numbers most requested by our listeners is the #1! And today we have a very special Enneagram One for you!   Ian and Suzanne's guest is Ramsey Patton. She is a former lawyer, and now the Associate Pastor of Caring Ministries at Highland Park United Methodist Church in Dallas, TX. As part of her pastoral role, she leads a weekly worship service for the special needs community called, The Feast.   As a healthy One, Ramsey has committed her life to serving others, and we know you are going to love what she has to say.
    5 April 2017, 2:27 pm
  • 57 minutes 30 seconds
    The Enneagram in Marriage with Andy Gullahorn, Enneagram 9 (The Peacemaker) and Jill Phillips, Enneagram 6 (The Loyalist) - Episode 29
    On this episode of The Road Back to You, Ian and Suzanne's guest are Jill Phillips and Andy Gullahorn. Jill is an Enneagram 6 (The Loyalist) and Andy a 9 (The Peacemaker). Their insight into how the Enneagram has helped them in their marriage and their role as parents while balancing their lives as full-time musicians is nothing short of inspiring.   We have also included a bonus song, recorded by Jill and Andy live in The Road Back To You studio. Whether you are an Enneagram 6 or 9, married to a 6 or 9, or are close friends with either number, we think you'll find this episode invaluable. Enjoy!
    22 March 2017, 3:55 pm
  • 1 minute 6 seconds
    Special Announcement from The Road Back to You Team

    Listen to a special announcement regarding the show moving forward!

    15 March 2017, 2:34 pm
  • 51 minutes 47 seconds
    Being Grounded in Life's Adventure with Lillian Daniel, Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) - Episode 28
    Today Ian and Suzanne's guest on The Road Back To You is Lillian Daniel. A pastor, author and award-winning preacher, who happens to be an Enneagram 7.   In her interview, she talks about the process of discovering her number, the upside, and downside it has had on her life and vocation, and the importance of being grounded and living in the present moment.    Lillian's enthusiasm for life will lift your day and help you gain a deeper understanding into the stimulating, and adventurous, Enneagram 7 .
    9 March 2017, 3:57 pm
  • 1 hour 59 seconds
    Enneagram In Leadership with Michael Hyatt, Enneagram 3 (The Performer) - Episode 27

    Welcome to Season Two of The Road Back To You: Looking at life through the lense of the Enneagram.

    To start this season, we are honored to have Mr. Michael Hyatt as our guest. Michael is an author, speaker, businessman, and virtual mentor. His accomplishments are featured in Forbes, Businessweek, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, and The New York Times.

    Michael is a healthy Enneagram 3. As a husband, the father of five daughters, and a successful CEO, we believe his experience will be invaluable to you.

    We hope you will enjoy the first podcast of this season!

    Also, we have a new website, and we're offering you the opportunity to partner with us as we continue to grow. You can find out more details by clicking on the DONATE tab on our website.

    1 March 2017, 2:39 pm
  • 31 minutes 55 seconds
    The Enneagram in Life, Work, and Marriage - A Conversation with Wade and Heather Hodges -Enneagram 3 (The Performer) and 8 (The Challenger) - Episode 26

    If you're married, or in a long-term relationship, you have experienced the struggle of understanding your partner and trying to interpret their behavior. You've learned that relationship is a balancing act of making two lives function together, while allowing each other the freedom of your individualities.

    Our guests today on The Road Back To You are Wade and Heather Hodges. Wade is a pastor, author, husband, and father. Heather is a visual and performing artist, wife, and mother. Their insight will help you understand:

    1. How the Enneagram gives a couple permission to give each other space.
    2. How the Enneagram relieves the pressure you feel to change your spouse.
    3. The value of giving each other the opportunity to process your experiences differently.
    4. How each of your gifts complements each other's weaknesses and forms a stronger team.

    This episode is essential for any couple; whether you have just started your life together or been married for 50 years!

    Also, here are two opportunities to experience an Enneagram Conference with Suzanne and Ian. Click on the event of your choice for more information:


    One last thing. This is The Road Back To You's final program for Season One. Thank you for joining our family of listeners over the past several months. On March 1st 2017,  we will launch Season Two. We already have a number of exhilarating guests scheduled to discuss new and relevant topics. We are also adding a new section to each show called "The Listener's Corner" where Suzanne and Ian will respond to your emails.

    We hope you will continue to join us as together we explore The Road Back To You.

    1 February 2017, 1:39 pm
  • 43 minutes 2 seconds
    Processing Pain through Optimism - Insight to the Enneagram 7 (The Enthusiast) with Mihee Kim-Kort - Episode 25

    If you're an Enneagram 7, you probably thrive on the idea that variety is the spice of life and you draw energy from staying active. Also, there's a good chance people accuse you of being optimistic to a fault.

    Welcome to the world of today's guest, Mihee Kim-Kort; Presbyterian Pastor, Author, Blogger (, mother of three (five-year-old twins and a three-year-old) and a self-ascribed hopemonger. You will resonate with Mihee when she describes her life as "Getting really excited about a lot of things, but never really knowing where her keys are!"

    She helps us look into the life of an "Enthusiast." A life where the routines of motherhood presents a challenge and optimism is often used as a way to fend off pain.

    Mihee is fun, adventurous, spiritually grounded, and resilient, so get ready for an enlightening, energetic episode of The Road Back To You.

    Also, here are two opportunities to experience an Enneagram Conference with Ian and Suzanne. Click on the event of your choice for more information:

    25 January 2017, 4:21 pm
  • 40 minutes 3 seconds
    The Enneagram and Therapy - A dialogue with Chris Gonzalez - Enneagram 9 (The Peacemaker) - Episode 24

    Chris Gonzalez is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and the Director of the Marriage and Family Therapy program at Lipscomb University. He is also a husband, father and an Enneagram 9.

    In his conversation with Ian, Suzanne on The Road Back To You, they discuss how understanding the Enneagram can be valuable in therapy, and some very helpful tools for resolving family conflict.

    To round out their conversation, Chris gives a therapist perspective of living life as an Enneagram 9; we hope you will enjoy today's program.

    18 January 2017, 12:41 pm
  • 34 minutes 42 seconds
    Learning You Have A Voice: Insights from Sarah Bessey - Enneagram 9 (The Peacemaker) - Episode 23

    Today's guest on The Road Back To You is Sarah Bessey (Enneagram 9): Blogger, Speaker, Wife, Mother of four, and Author of two books, Out of Sorts: Making Peace with an Evolving Faith and Jesus Feminist: An Invitation to Revisit the Bible's View of Women.

    If you tend to do anything to avoid conflict or wrestle with the importance of your life, then Sarah's perspective will be eye opening for you. From this incredibly insightful woman who jokes about being passive aggressive as her "spiritual gift," you will learn how being a peacemaker can become both a virtue and a vice.

    Listen now as we discover how 9's are natural meditators and why healthy nines learn to make decisions based on right priorities.

    11 January 2017, 11:50 am
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