People Who Read People: A Behavior and Psychology Podcast

Zachary Elwood

This is a podcast aimed at better understanding other people, and better understanding ourselves. For more info and for how to subscribe, see www.behavior-podcast.com. On this podcast the host, Zach Elwood, talks to people from a wide range of fields about how they analyze and interpret human behavior in their work. The show also sometimes focuses on understanding political polarization. Popular episodes include: indicators of healthy/unhealthy relationships, analyzing statements for hidden meaning, reading poker tells, indicators of fake online reviews, and interrogation techniques (to name a few). The host's main claim to fame is his poker tells work. His first book, Reading Poker Tells, has been translated into 8 languages. His research on deceptive online activity has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post, Buzzfeed, and more.

  • 39 minutes 3 seconds
    How a bus driver predicts the behavior of drivers and passengers, with Brendan Bartholomew

    A talk with Brendan Bartholomew, who's a professional bus driver in San Francisco. We talk about the role understanding and predicting human behavior can play when driving a city bus. Topics discussed include: the importance of thinking ahead about potential pedestrian/traffic dangers; how bus drivers know who’s waiting for a bus and who’s not; thoughts on handling unruly and/or mentally ill passengers; how modern rideshare and scooter traffic have changed things for bus drivers. 

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    1 May 2024, 5:00 pm
  • 50 minutes 44 seconds
    To reduce polarization, is it optimal to work on systemic change or cultural change?, with David Foster

    A talk with David Foster, who writes about polarization and media at knowthesystem.org and is the author of "Moderates of the World Unite!: Reworking the Political Media Complex." Topics discussed include: the optimal approach for reducing toxic political polarization (cultural change vs systemic changes); defining the word 'moderate' and examining some of the negative connotations it has; the difficulty of making changes in a polarized, high-animosity environment; why some conservatives dislike the idea of making systemic changes; the ideas in David's book for improving the media environment and political discourse.
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    5 April 2024, 1:00 am
  • 1 hour 3 minutes
    Do simplistic ideas of power (e.g., oppressed/oppressor framings) reduce empathy? with Elizaveta Friesem

    Elizaveta Friesem writes about media and about social power (i.e., the power people exert over other people).  I first interviewed her about media and polarization in 2021 about her book "Media Is Us." Topics we discuss here include: Michel Foucault’s ideas about power (often referenced in liberal academic world); the oppressed/oppressor framework (also often referenced); how simplistic views of social power can be divisive and result in a reduction in people's empathy; how the free will debate ties into these ideas; political polarization related to some of these ideas. 

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    26 March 2024, 11:00 pm
  • 55 minutes 52 seconds
    What's life like when you don't believe in free will?, with physicist Daniel Whiteson

    A talk with Daniel Whiteson, a professor of physics and astronomy, about free will, with a focus on what the effects in one's life are when one doesn't believe in free will. Topics discussed: Our thoughts on why we think free will is unlikely to exist; psychological and emotional aspects of living without a belief in free will; the anxiety and even anger that some people can have about the idea that we lack free will; the idea that a lack of belief in free will can be part of a spiritual, positive way of experiencing the world; and more. 

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    12 March 2024, 10:00 pm
  • 29 minutes 47 seconds
    News media tends to deepen our divides. Does Isaac Saul have a solution?

    A talk with journalist Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle News (readtangle.com), which shares takes from across the political spectrum. I think Tangle is doing amazing work. I think the more Americans there are who read Tangle, the less toxically polarized we'll be. Topics we discuss include: aspects of Tangle News that make it depolarizing and anger-reducing; how Isaac conceives of the problem of political polarization; his work debunking "the election was stolen" narratives in 2020, and more.

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    4 March 2024, 12:00 am
  • 51 minutes 8 seconds
    The allure of deciphering behavior, with Rounders screenwriter Brian Koppelman

    A talk with screenwriter/producer Brian Koppelman, known for many TV and film projects, including the poker movie Rounders, the show Billions, and the series Super Pumped: The Battle For Uber. Topics discussed: how he decided to create Rounders; poker tells in Rounders; the excitement of reading people and their behaviors; the difficulty of reading behaviors in most real-world situations; and the anxiety-reducing benefits of transcendental meditation. 

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    1 March 2024, 2:00 am
  • 1 hour 4 minutes
    How a pro poker player makes use of poker tells, with Dara O'Kearney

    A talk with professional poker player Dara O’Kearney about poker tells (aka, physical and verbal behaviors in poker). Dara is the co-host of the popular poker podcast The Chip Race and the author of several books, including GTO Poker Simplified. We talk about: the importance of poker tells compared to strategy; how Dara’s views on tells have changed over time; some ways poker players can get info from opponents (e.g., insulting them or being nice to them); some poker hands where opponent behaviors played a role in a decision. 


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    18 February 2024, 11:00 pm
  • 1 hour 13 minutes
    Tips on interrogating people for information and confessions, with David Zulawski

    A reshare of a talk with David Zulawski from 2018. Zulawksi is an expert in interrogation and interview techniques and the cofounder of Wicklander Zulawski and Associates. Topics discussed include: Why is the non-confrontational, rapport-focused technique he recommends the best one? Why is it important to downplay the significance of a crime? Why is it important to try to prevent someone from denying the crime/accusation?  Why is it important to not tell a suspect all the evidence you have against them? What are some behavioral clues a suspect is lying or telling the truth?

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    5 February 2024, 11:00 pm
  • 42 seconds
    Reading behavior and motivations in the Robbi Jade Lew poker hand, with Yakov Hirsch

    A talk with professional poker player Yakov Hirsch about the well known high-stakes poker situation where amateur Robbi Jade Lew was accused of cheating by professional player Garrett Adelstein. We give our takes on the hand, and the overall situation, and we talk about Robbi's possible motivations and thought processes during this hand, and about what her behavior might indicate about her thinking.

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    28 January 2024, 7:00 pm
  • 42 minutes 3 seconds
    Understanding Trump and his voters' animosity towards the media, with Yakov Hirsch

    A talk about trying to understand Trump's anger at the American media and how that relates to American polarization. This is from a talk I had with Yakov Hirsch in late November 2023. Other topics discussed include: Trump-Russia media coverage; Americans' polarized views of Trump; the importance of trying to understand even those people we perceive as dangerous and harmful; American polarization and conflict dynamics in general. This is from a video talk; you can find the video talk on my People Who Read People YouTube channel.

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    20 January 2024, 6:00 pm
  • 41 minutes 16 seconds
    The exaggeration of antisemitism, and the importance of understanding the "other side," with Yakov Hirsch

    Another talk with Yakov Hirsch, who writes about the Middle East conflict and about "Hasbara culture": what he sees as the tendency of some Israel-defending people to be overly antagonistic and us-vs-them in their thinking (for example, unfairly framing criticism of Israel as "antisemitic"). If you haven't heard the first talk, I recommend that one. This talk is more generally about the nature of conflict, and about how conflict can make us perceive the world and the people around us in overly pessimistic and antagonistic ways, which in turn leads to more conflict. It's also about the importance of trying to have cognitive empathy for people we disagree with and see the world from their perspective; even for people we may think are harmful and dangerous.  This will be followed by a second talk where Yakov and I talk about American polarization and polarized views of Trump. 

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    14 January 2024, 5:00 pm
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