The Next Level

The Next Level

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds.

  • 27 minutes 45 seconds
    Only the Worst People (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
    Sarah and JVL talk about Samuel Alito’s flag, Greg Abbott’s favorite murderer, MTG’s spectacle, and Bob Menendez’s gold bars. The scumbags are ascendent and it is glorious.

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    18 May 2024, 1:06 am
  • 57 minutes 8 seconds
    The Next Level Live in DC!
    The gang was live in D.C. last night to talk President Biden challenging Donald Trump to a debate in June. The former president accepted the early debate, but is it a smart move from the White House?

    Plus, the gang dives deep on where they stand on recent polling and the mindset of “the people,” and ponder whether they would vote for former GOP. Gov. Larry Hogan for the open Maryland senate seat now that the Democratic primary in the state is over.
    16 May 2024, 5:47 pm
  • 32 minutes 16 seconds
    Stormy with a Chance of Guilty (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
    Sarah and JVL talk about the cross examination of Stormy Daniels, Biden’s move to deny Israel heavy ordinance, Marco Rubio’s VP quest, and all of the anti-anti-Trumpers getting ready to jump back on side. It’s a big episode.

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    10 May 2024, 10:09 pm
  • 49 minutes 22 seconds
    You Don't Want to Hear All the Stormy Details
    Stormy Daniels takes the stand in one of Trump's trials, while Judge Aileen Cannon indefinitely delays another! Plus, what's the difference between former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and former Speaker Paul Ryan? One will does the right thing and vote for Joe Biden, while the other can only bring himself to write-in another conservative.

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    8 May 2024, 11:00 pm
  • 28 minutes 23 seconds
    Why Kim Jong-Un Underestimated Kristi Noem (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
    Also: Trump's first criminal trial is going great.

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    3 May 2024, 8:00 pm
  • 59 minutes 12 seconds
    It's Always Dark in Trump's America (Live from Philadelphia)
    The gang went to Philly and hosted a live event where they discussed the terrifying new Time magazine interview with Donald Trump, and why everyone is talking about college protests instead! Plus, a dark deep dive into how Americans can still choose to elect Trump and a debate on which Republican has embarrassed themselves the most auditioning to be his veep.
    2 May 2024, 9:24 pm
  • 29 minutes 49 seconds
    The Supreme Court Won't Save Us (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
    And it's not clear that the SCOTUS would want to, even if it could.

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    26 April 2024, 6:01 pm
  • 56 minutes 57 seconds
    The Tabloid Candidate
    David Pecker’s testimony in Trump's trial highlights how his lies and misinformation dominated his 2016 campaign. And Marco Rubio's pathetic attempt to become Trump's veep has led him to vote against funding for Ukraine, but the gang is pretty sure conservative "normies" will eat the selection up. 

    Plus, the potential for RFK Jr. to hurt Trump, rather than Biden, the reason why foreign aid finally got done, and protests at Columbia University.

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    24 April 2024, 10:14 pm
  • 22 minutes 8 seconds
    Catch Up: Sununu, Johnson, and DJT (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
    Sarah was out of pocket and off the grid all week. JVL was doing his best work in Overtime. So they play a rapid-fire game of catch up on everything Sarah missed.

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    19 April 2024, 8:02 pm
  • 53 minutes 48 seconds
    The Trial of Donald J. Trump
    Speaker Mike Johnson is battling Marjorie Taylor Greene's attempt to oust him while also crafting legislation to give foreign allies aid, a tall task given how continually chaotic his slim majority has been. 

    Plus, jurors are selected for Donald Trump's trial, while JVL and A.B., subbing in for Sarah, give their thoughts on Tim's interview with Ross Douthat.

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    17 April 2024, 10:15 pm
  • 26 minutes 48 seconds
    What Trump Did to Pro-Life Inc. (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)
    And cancer finally catches up with O.J. Simpson.

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    12 April 2024, 6:07 pm
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