The Next Level

The Bulwark

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. http://www.thebulwark.com

  • 1 hour 26 minutes
    1042: Why Did Susie Wiles Do These Interviews?
    Sarah Longwell, JVL, and Tim Miller discuss the jaw-dropping Vanity Fair interviews Susie Wiles gave to Vanity Fair and what they reveal about how Trumpworld actually operates, the Epstein and Maxwell fallout, the backlash to Trump’s remarks about Rob Reiner, MAGA’s internal fractures, Elon Musk’s role in dismantling USAID, and why this moment feels different from past Trump controversies.


    Susie Wiles, JD Vance, and the “Junkyard Dogs”: The White House Chief of Staff on Trump’s Second Term (Part 1 of 2)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-susie-wiles-interview-exclusive-part-1


    Susie Wiles Talks Epstein Files, Pete Hegseth’s War Tactics, Retribution, and More (Part 2 of 2)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-susie-wiles-interview-exclusive-part-2


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    17 December 2025, 8:00 am
  • 21 minutes 42 seconds
    1041: Fear the Reaper | The Secret Podcast
    Donald Trump isn’t just attacking the press, he’s trying to own it. JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss how Trump is using merger approvals, billionaire allies, and corporate pressure to bend major media companies to his will, from CNN and CBS to the broader tech and news ecosystem. They explain why media consolidation creates a dangerous opening for political intimidation, how this power play has nothing to do with conservatism and everything to do with control, and why independent outlets like The Bulwark matter more than ever in an era where money, media, and government are colliding.
    12 December 2025, 10:40 pm
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    1040: Republicans Can Smell Trump’s Weakness
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    10 December 2025, 12:26 am
  • 30 minutes 45 seconds
    1039: The Feelings Show | The Secret Podcast
    This a preview of The Secret Podcast, where Sarah and JVL go off-leash and uncensored in an intimate conversation. The full episode is available for paid Bulwark members on Apple Podcasts, Substack and YouTube!

    Sarah and JVL are in meat-space talking about the Donald J. Trump buildings coming soon to a town near you. And also why liberalism needs to fight.

    But the big topic is all of the feelings they’ve got from being at the annual Bulwark all-hands get together. Warning: Emo JVL is a bit much.
    5 December 2025, 8:00 pm
  • 1 hour 3 minutes
    1038: Mike Johnson’s Speakership Is Hanging by Dental Floss | The Next Level
    Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and JVL get through a chaotic week in Trump’s Washington: Elise Stefanik and Mike Johnson tearing each other apart, Hegseth’s shifting alibis for a possible war crime, Trump nodding off while his cabinet members freelance policy, and a fresh round of immigration extremism that targets even legal residents. They also discuss population-collapse warnings, the “narco-terror” fantasy, JD Vance’s pathetic theatrics, and Tim’s interview with Olivia Nuzzi.

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    4 December 2025, 1:15 am
  • 23 minutes 10 seconds
    1037: The Most Dangerous Part of Trump's Second Term | The Secret Podcast
    Note: Sarah and JVL recorded this episode on Wednesday, November 26.

    JVL and Sarah Longwell break down why pardoning January 6 felons might be the most dangerous move of his presidency yet. By promising protection to anyone who commits crimes on his behalf, Trump is building a loyalty pipeline straight out of a mob movie… and the Supreme Court is giving him the cover he needs.
    28 November 2025, 3:30 pm
  • 1 hour 15 minutes
    1036: Why Trump’s “Enemies” Keep Winning
    Trump’s revenge crusade is collapsing in real time. Botched prosecutions, clown-car legal teams, foreign bot armies propping up MAGA influencers, and a GOP in full-blown identity crisis. JVL, Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller talk about Trump’s latest humiliations, the Marjorie Taylor Greene detonation, the Mamdani Oval Office shocker, and the wild bot-farm revelations shaking the right. Oh and Trump looks like he can't walk.

    Just another week!
    26 November 2025, 5:17 pm
  • 18 minutes 55 seconds
    1035: Legal Orders | The Secret Podcast
    Trump crossed a line, again. JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss Trump’s latest tantrum: calling for Democratic senators to be put to death after they released a video reminding service members they don’t have to follow illegal orders. Yes, really.Then we get into the Epstein-email panic, why Trump suddenly pretended to support releasing documents he fought for years, and what’s really pressuring him behind the scenes, Dick Cheney’s funeral, and the singles vaccine. Don’t worry, Sarah WILL BE GETTING IT!


    21 November 2025, 7:45 pm
  • 1 hour 16 minutes
    1034: Has Epstein Stopped the Trump 2028 Train?
    Trump’s awful month keeps getting worse: the botched Comey indictment, the Epstein files exploding, Trump snapping at reporters, and signs that the MAGA machine isn’t running like it used to. JVL, Sarah, and Tim talk about the panic inside Trumpworld, the fallout from his dictator cosplay with MBS, and why the movement suddenly looks shakier than it has in years.

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    20 November 2025, 12:57 am
  • 22 minutes 55 seconds
    1033: Incentives Matter | Secret Podcast Preview
    JVL and Catherine Rampell (filling in for Sarah) dig into the latest Epstein revelations and what they expose about the darker, unsteady corners of the GOP. The conversation traces how a party already splintering under internal contradictions keeps getting dragged into fresh scandals, bad actors, and self-inflicted wounds.
    15 November 2025, 12:20 am
  • 1 hour 9 minutes
    1032: The New Epstein Emails Are UGLY
    Sarah Longwell, JVL, and Tim Miller take on the explosive Epstein emails tying Trump to victims, the shutdown fight and ACA fallout, and the MAGA civil war erupting around Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, and Nick Fuentes.

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    12 November 2025, 11:09 pm
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