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See Also is 100! But you'd never tell because we moisturise. Thank you for listening to and enjoying the pod – it's a pleasure to bring you silly-smart conversations every week.

Also celebrating their birthdays this week are Sofia Coppola – who turned 53 on Tuesday – and her debut feature The Virgin Suicides, which came out 25 years ago. To mark two of these three occasions (guess which), Kate and Brodie go deep on the Lisbon sisters and the boys who loved them.

Even if you're seen the film a million times, it holds up to a re-watch – trust us.

We cover the Eugenides BTS cynicism, Hartnett at his prime, Trip's gay dad(s), the time Brodie met Kathleen Turner, memory's flimsy logic and the time Kate first tried Pepsi Max, the comedy Sofia never gets credit for and the image-making she's so skilled at, the boys who'll always remember and the girls who were never really theirs/there.

See Alsos

• “The Virgin Suicides” Still Holds the Mysteries of Adolescence by Emma Cline
• “They Hadn’t Heard Us Calling” by Megan Abbott
• Why I’m obsessed with this dark, dreamy novel" by Dizz Tate
• Sofia Coppola’s Bedrooms by Katie McDonough
• Scores on Screen. Clouds Up: Air and the Soundtrack of "The Virgin Suicides" by Clare Nina Norelli
• Josh Hartnett on THE kiss
• Dan Levy's story of visiting the set
• Kiki in Interview in 2000
• Sofia Coppola x Tavi Gevinson in Rookie
• Tavi Gevinson on The Virgin Suicides in NPR in 2012
• Bill Owens book 'Suburbia'
• Idea LTD
• Air will play Moon Safari at the Sydney Opera House for VIVID

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This episode opens with a live review of the Hailey Bieber smoothie from Erewhon. Jinxy's sipping her way across LA, and fills us in on brunch at Canter's, an iconic but annoying day out with Angelyne at the Pleasure Chest, and an enviable visit to Noodle Stories. She's hit the Vanderpump Triangle in WeHo – but only to Bottega Louie, not TomTom (yet).

BL goes deep on a night with Niall Horan and a life-changing day at SPUDFEST in Trentham. Is she the spudman after all?

Then it's time for a discussion of our favourite Highsmith menacing gay, Tom Ripley, and the latest Netflix iteration of the guy who "likes" "girls", from creator/writer Steve Zaillan.

See Alsos

The Garden Against Time by Olivia Laing

The American Friend (1977) by Wim Wenders

The Night Of

Also Alsos

Here in the Pitch by Jessica Pratt

Hacks season 3 (on Stan in Australia)

Ed Ruscha / Now Then retrospective at LACMA

Soft Services Software Update

Vegethreads Organic classic T

Archive No. 1 by Hattie Stewart (with an intro by Brodie!)

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This week, Kate and Brodie participate in their pre-scheduled catch-up time – you know how friends do that?

Kate's in LA and packed badly, watched 3 Body Problem, attempted to go to Schwartz and Sandy's, keeps seeing Cybertrucks, visited the Indigo Girls-themed bathroom at Rubyfruit and caught up on Mission Impossible on the plane. BL has to do a quick post-season recap of Vanderpump Rules, had a bit of an annoying trip to Sydney, devolves into a complaint about circus performers in hotels, watched an entire movie on free-to-air TV and experienced a very silly case of mistaken identity at France-Soir.

If you're in LA, come see Zoe's show Every Single Thing in My Whole Entire Life at UCB on Fairfax 6 May as part of Netflix is a Joke festival.

See Also

• Ingrid Goes West
• Kajillionaire
• The First Bad Man a book club based on a novel by Miranda July
• Cole Escola on Straightiolab
• The Sydney airport train

Also Alsos

• HB Achive's Poet shirt
• Another Slice by Nat Paull
• Carrot, Fennel and Wild Rice Soup
• D'Arcy'Carden's podcast Wikihole
• Violette Bisou Balm FR in Amour Fou from Mecca
• Inner Studio

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This week, Kate and Brodie debrief on a bodybuilding competition (where is a delt?), Dopesick (what even is it?), Kate didn't DJ a sex party but did go to The Almighty Sometimes at MTC, Brodie tries to explain who Jerrod Carmichael is and wrote the latest Good Weekend cover story on Angourie Rice.

Then, we discuss the disgraceful new Amy Winehouse biopic Back to Black, a debrief on the massive, overwhelming and excellent Alex Garland film Civil War.

Skip from 35:08 – 55:43 for Civil War spoilers.

See Also

• Amy (2015) by Asif Kapadia
• Mark Ronson on working with Amy Winehouse
• New Yorker Critics at Large episode on Civil War
• Kirsten Dunst in Variety
• Kirsten Dunst on choosing roles with female directors
• Men (2022)
• Power of the Dog (2021)

Also Alsos

• Hate Read, anonymous essays in Deez Links
• Steve! on Apple TV+
• Robe 3–in-1: Clean & Finish haircare
• CosRX Good Morning Low-pH Gel Cleanser
• Autumn Also playlist
• Get your flu and booster vaxx!!

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It was only a matter of time.

In this re-release of a classic Poodle episode, Kate and Brodie come together to discuss Girlfriends, Claudia Weill's directorial debut from 1978, and an absolutely perfect film. Co-written by Vicki Polon, it starts Melanie Mayron as Susan Weinblatt, who has a perfect face and spends her days shooting bar mitzvahs and waiting for her big, artistic break in late-'70s New York City. When her best friend and roommate, Anne (Anita Skinner), a writer, gets married and moves out of their apartment, Susan searches for ways to repair her loneliness. She meets Eric (a hunky young Christopher Guest), grows close to Rabbi Aaron Gold (Eli Wallach), brings home a hitchhiker named Ceil (Amy Wright) and tries to bridge the distance by spending time upstate with Anne and her husband, Martin (Bob Balaban). A film about friendship, making art and platonic love, Girlfriends is so much more than the sum of its parts and a tidy plot summary. Seek it out as soon as you can!

See Alsos

• BL's piece in the Guardian
• Stanley Kubrick interview
• Turner Classic Movies intro to Girlfriends
• Claudia Weill speaking about Girlfriends at BAM, BFI and UCLA; on Criterion and Bobbie Wygant.
• Millie De Chirico's podcast I Saw What You Did with Danielle Henderson

Watch Also

• Joyce at 34 (See Also for us!!)
• It's My Turn
• Crossing Delancey

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This week, Brodie is joined by Isobel Beech, the author of a true See Also FAVE book Sunbathing, to discuss the work of another a fellow auteur, Jennifer Lopez. Issy is trying to start a movement, and spread the word about JLo's "feature film" This Is Me … Now and its companion making-of documentary The Greatest Love Story Never Told. So consider this episode activism.

We discuss the way she handles mud, her obsession with "The Block", how insuring your butt was 2000s culture, the "Zodiacal Council", and everyone dressing like they're extras on Younger. Brodie pitches a Freaky Friday reboot with her and JLo, and Issy declares, "There's nothing that JLo does that can't be done by someone else" … except this movie!!!

See Also

Buy a copy of Sunbathing

Pop Stars vs the attention economy

Wesley Morris on This Is Me … Now

Also Alsos

Sinus irrigation

Beautician and the Beast

Reality Day

Amy Odell's newsletter Back Row

Mariah Carey's 2018 album Caution

Get Right, JLo's 2001 single

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Right in with RHONY news: they're all back, minus Cass Bird. BL had an aborted trip to Sircuit, visited country Victoria again and tries to explain a techno event collab slash dinner that gets Very Melbourne. And Jinxy spent Easter going The Most Sydney: on a boat. Also: Girls 5Eva is Kate's favourite band.

Go see Zoe Coombs Marr's show Every Single Thing in My Whole Entire Life.

Then, we discuss the end (?) of the TradWife, and follow its threads into "DIML" content, the flattening of a life for clicks and what happens when all an audience can wonder about it is "where'd you get it?" We talk about hiding our content, out-of-pocket DMs and why subscribing for specific content is good, actually?

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See Also

• Palm Royale cocktail guide
• The Rise and Fall of the Trad Wife by Sophie Elmhirst
• Alison Roman's newsletter entry on "recommendation culture"

Also Alsos

• Expats
• Ceremonia Guava Rescue Spray
• Jessica Pratt's mix for NTS: RHYTHM ON THE WEST
• Matéo soda
• Read your own library
• WeTransfer presents: The Day I Met Bjork. Photographs by Spike Jonze

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This week, Kate and Brodie have been tootin' around regional Victoria. Jinxy gives a scene report of the local weirdo's bazaar in Chewton, and BL recaps her spending at the Alba Hot Springs restaurant. A quick Top Chef (show, not dog) update, recommendation for the rom-com Upgraded and a(nother) discussion of the wild decisions that went into the film Anyone But You.

Then: biceps up. It's LOVE LIES BLEEDING TIME! To avoid spoilers, skip from 24:28 – 54:22

We discuss the audience reaction, the pulpy energy, the merch (and missed opportunities), the macho sluts, Anna Baryshnikov comedy genius, Jenna Malone perfect casting, the better Franco brother, Ed Harris's hair. And Brodie, shockingly, explains the plot of Stepmom to Kate.

See Also

• Love Lies Bleeding playlist
• Saint Maud (2019) is streaming on SBS on Demand and you can rent it from Apple TV, YouTube etcet
• Kristen Stewart Uncensored: ‘I Want to Do the Gayest Thing You’ve Ever Seen in Your Life’ in Rolling Stone
• Gerber/Hart Library & Archives on Instagram
• Pumping Iron II: The Women (1985) doc
• Ali Kazma's video art piece Bodybuilding (2013)
• Katy O'Brian interview in She's A Beast

Also Alsos

• Ear Alchemy by Sarah and Sebastian
• The Theatre of War - Stanislava Pinchuk – on at ACMI til 9 June
• Perfect Days by Wim Wenders is out now in cinemas
• Carlton Gardens Tennis Club
• She's on the Money podcast
• Samin Nosrat on Modern Love podcast

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This week, Brodie was assigned the identity of a passenger who died the Titanic and it was GREAT!!! Jinxy had a recent perfect weekend itinerary with her sister. Do any straight men listen to this podcast???

Brodie explains the Tones and I origin story to Kate (sorry) then they discuss Two Weeks' Notice (important movie for girls who eat and poo a lot and fall) and cowabunga-ing at Timmy riding the worm in Dune. The girls have been watching: Southern Charm, The Regime, Mary and George.

THEN it's time to discuss the arguments between society women past and present: first in RHOBH, which wrapped this past week, and Feud: Capote vs the Swans.

Prepare for next week by going to the movies to watch Love Lies Bleeding – next week we're talking about every set, rep and pump.

See Also

• The cast of Feud: Capote's women vs their real-life counterparts
• The Vulture recaps (better than the show some of the time)
• That Summer documentary
• In Cold Blood (good book)
• Feud review by Mike Hail in the New York Times
• The Lee Radziwill bag from Tory Burch

Also Alsos

• Byredo Lip Liner (from Mecca)
• Titanic: The Artefact Exhibition – on til 21 April at Melbourne Museum
• Cinemagoer website
• Summer House on Hayu
• Baggu Cloud Carry–On (in black)
• The Hours (bonus: Michael Cunningham is appearing at MWF on Wed 8 May)

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Happy anniversary to us! Jinxy and BL debrief of the discourse around "girlhood" culture in light of the Barbie oscars snub, Gracie Abrams bows and Sofia Coppola of it all. They chat about TikTok users' blatant attempts to go viral with girl-branding ("Sleepy Girl Mocktail"), previous girl culture moments that did more than just wear pink. "Can we just go ahead and have IBS without making it into some signifier of hot girlness or cute little babyness?"

Tweet by @ronantyche: "barbie movie discourse is so funny because it's just a fun silly movie for the girls until you say anything against it, then it's modern day feminist text, and then when you critique it like feminist text youre misogynistic and insulting something fun and silly for the girls".

See Also:

• Woman in Retrograde By Isabel Cristo
• Celine Sciamma's Girlhood (2014)
• Girl Culture in the Middle Ages and Renaissance: Performance and Pedagogy by Deanne Williams
• No More Girlies By Emily Gould
• Taylor Swift and the Era of the Girl
• Jinxy's Paloma Wool earrings
• Shaad on Indie Sleaze
• Sentimental Garbage: How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days

Also Alsos

How to Have Sex by Molly Manning Walker, now in cinemas

In Priscilla, She’s the Girl Who Has Everything — Except Actual Power By Alison Willmore

Vaster Wilds by Lauren Groff

Camp Cope Live at the Sydney Opera House

Pat McGrath's MattTrance lipstick in "Forbidden Love (Ultimate Classic Red)"

L.A. Woman by Eve Babitz

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Kate and Brodie recap their viewing, visiting, dining and doing habits since Jinxy's return from Berlin. But first: Jinxy went to the Gold Coast Golden Globes aka the AACTAs! No Margot sighting though, sadly. Jinxy ate at Sway in Neukoln, got chicken in her "vegetarian miso bowl" and discovered some troubling reviews of a sauna. Between them, she and BL watched Awakenings, Primal Fear & The Devil's Own, the new Mr & Mrs Smith series, Safe and The Iron Claw. Brodie appropriated comedy culture and would like to apologise to the community.

Then! Spoiler alert! They do a full-season recap of True Detective: Night Country. The unreliable narrators, phone-detectiving, "heterosexual jump scares", frozen scientists, lost tongues and Billie Eilish theme songs our North Country girlies had to endure.

Skip to 1:08:53 to avoid True Detective spoilers.

See Alsos:

"Podcasters Took Up Her Sister's Murder Investigation. Then They Turned On Her" on The Sunday Read

Wake Up The Town ad

Cecilia from Svolbard

Also Alsos

• How to Pack for a Two–Week Trip with One Small Suitcase
• 10 Years of Late Night with Seth Meyers
• Muji Portable Aroma Diffuser
• 'Video Land' by Callum Preston at Immigration Museum's 'Joy' exhibition at Immigration Museum
• The Decadent Editions
• Sundae from Sundae School Ice Creamery

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