B2B Revenue Vitals

B2B Refine Labs

Welcome to the new B2B Revenue Vitals podcast, formerly State of Demand Gen. On this podcast, you’ll learn how to build a high-growth company from Refine Labs' CEO, Chris Walker. From proving new revenue programs to identifying and scaling programs that work, to training your team to operate at scale, you will understand what it takes to create a predictable pipeline of revenue innovation that drives compounding gains. Through interviews, AMAs, and invite-only events, we give you a sneak peek into the data-backed insights we are executing for the fastest-growing SaaS companies in the world.

  • 48 minutes 41 seconds
    RV233 - My Lessons From Scaling to $22 Million

    Chris joined Brad Zomick’s show (LinkedIn Famous), where he shared insights on personal growth as a founder, his learnings from executing on LinkedIn for 5 years, and the new playbook founders can use to build and grow their companies. 

    Key topics from this episode:

    The right way to approach LinkedIn (hint: vanity metrics don’t matter)

    Personal growth and intuition as a founder

    Learnings and mistakes from scaling Refine Labs & Passetto

    Live events as a compounding asset

    Why founders should re-think the VC-funded model

    The future of social media in B2B

    Why the most important thing as a founder is to take action

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    28 January 2025, 10:00 am
  • 50 minutes 52 seconds
    RV232 - The 3 Pillars of GTM Success | Go To Market Live Episode 42

    This is the first GTM Live episode of 2025, and Chris shares his most recent GTM strategies to help you win. These lessons are especially crucial for companies who want to scale past $10 million ARR.

    Key topics from this episode:

    • The 3 Pillars of GTM Success: GTM Strategy, GTM Optimization, and GTM Operations.

    • Cost of Growth: Reframing GTM efficiency as "cost of growth" to measure true ROI and organizational health.

    • AI and Copycat Products: How AI is accelerating product cloning and forcing companies to change how they differentiate.

    • Challenges of PLG Integration: The pitfalls of mixing product-led and sales-led growth motions together in established companies.

    • Smaller, Agile Teams: The shift towards AI-enabled, lean marketing and sales teams for efficiency and flexibility.

    • Flawed Metrics: Why reliance on outdated KPIs like MQLs and traditional attribution models is a mistake.

    • Siloed Departments: The need to remove organizational silos to create a Unified Revenue Factory.

    • Future-Proofing Sales and Marketing: Strategies to align compensation, integrate data, and streamline processes for sustainable pipeline creation.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    21 January 2025, 10:00 am
  • 48 minutes 28 seconds
    RV231 - Chris Walker & Dave Gerhardt Talk B2B Marketing

    This is a must-listen episode where Chris Walker joined Dave Gerhardt (Founder & CEO of Exit Five) on the B2B Marketing with Dave Gerhardt podcast. 

    Key topics from this episode:

    • Why being “early” in seeing how marketing is changing is often misunderstood as being wrong

    • How to manage negativity on social media while staying focused on your goals

    • Using podcasts, live events, and social media to gather actionable customer insights in real time

    • Breaking down marketing into Strategy vs. Pipeline Creation for clarity and efficiency

    • Why AI is an accelerant for creativity and execution, not a replacement for strategic thinking

    • How smaller and more agile marketing teams are outperforming larger ones

    • Calculating true marketing ROI by accounting for headcount, tools, and overall efficiency

    • How senior marketing leaders can improve outcomes by staying hands-on and closer to the execution process

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    14 January 2025, 10:00 am
  • 41 minutes 16 seconds
    RV230 - MUST LISTEN: 2025 GTM Predictions (and Beyond)

    In this episode, Chris Walker talks with hosts Mikkel Kiærulf Plæhn and Toni Hohlbein about the GTM challenges B2B companies face. He shares common mistakes companies are making, how to better use data for decision-making, and predictions for what the future of GTM looks like.

    Key topics from this episode:

    • Why unit economics at the top of the funnel are the root of most GTM inefficiencies

    • The CEO’s pivotal role in aligning the entire GTM function

    • Why current data structures fail executives and how to fix them

    • Predictions for 2025: Centralized decision-making, smaller teams, and AI-native organizations

    • The pitfalls of relying on outdated KPIs like MQLs and demo requests

    • Why traditional attribution models hinder strategic decision-making

    • How AI will reshape GTM strategies and why data architecture is critical

    • The shift from RevOps to a more streamlined approach to operations

    • Chris’s vision for post-sale functions: Aligning customer success with measurable outcomes

    • Strategies for improving per-rep productivity and scaling efficiently

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    7 January 2025, 10:00 am
  • 52 minutes 46 seconds
    RV229 - The 2025 B2B Content Playbook

    In this episode, Chris Walker joins a live event by Finn Thormeier to share his current approach to content, and what it takes to create a B2B content strategy in 2025 that actually works. 

    Topics covered in this episode:

    • Chris’s current content approach and strategy while building Passetto

    • The problem with sharing your IP too freely in your content

    • Lead gen vs. audience building

    • Invite-only events as a secret weapon

    • When to focus on niche vs. broad content

    • How to develop your content POV’s

    • The most effective way to source weekly content topics

    • Who should be the face of your content brand

    • Why distribution won’t save bad strategy

    • How to measure results from content

    • The future of content creation roles

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    31 December 2024, 4:34 pm
  • 43 minutes 53 seconds
    RV228 - The Portfolio Approach to GTM Investments | Go To Market Live Episode 41

    In this episode, Chris Walker shares how GTM teams can achieve better results. He breaks down the steps revenue and marketing leaders can take to understand their spending, measure their impact, and drive more effective outcomes.

    Key topics include:

    • Transitioning from growth-at-all-costs to efficiency-first strategies

    • The critical role of financial data in optimizing GTM investments

    • How to build a closed-loop feedback system for greater pipeline efficiency

    • The problem with blanket cost-cutting and why it doesn’t solve GTM inefficiencies

    • Rethinking the marketing leader’s role: From tactician to strategic revenue driver

    • The concept of marketing as a portfolio of investments and how to optimize it

    • Why marketing and sales alignment is critical but often misunderstood

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    24 December 2024, 10:00 am
  • 50 minutes 3 seconds
    RV227 - MUST LISTEN: Solving GTM Efficiency | Go To Market Live Episode 40

    In this episode, Chris Walker shares why many companies have GTM efforts that fail to deliver the expected results, which can often result in missing out on hundreds of millions of dollars of shareholder value. 

    He breaks down the root causes—disconnected teams, poor data, and misaligned goals—and provides actionable steps to address them.

    Key topics include:

    • Why the CEO—not the CFO—should be responsible for fixing GTM efficiency.

    • The inefficiency of traditional KPI systems and how they hinder strategic decision-making.

    • How to align GTM strategies across finance, marketing, sales, and RevOps.

    • How flawed data architecture leads to misaligned budgets and reduced pipeline efficiency.

    • The importance of early-warning metrics like pipeline efficiency to avoid costly performance degradation.

    • Practical ways to integrate financial data with CRM insights for better executive-level decisions.

    • Why AI, SDRs, and marketing teams must unite under a shared accountability framework.

    • Transforming the prospecting engine: A case for marketing-led SDR management.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    16 December 2024, 3:12 pm
  • 49 minutes 4 seconds
    RV226 - How To Fix The Broken Revenue Factory

    In this episode, Chris Walker talks with host Nick Flamini about practical ways to improve go-to-market strategies, strengthen the connection between finance and marketing, and make small teams more effective with AI.

    Key topics include:

    • Why CFOs should lead the go-to-market planning model that drives how marketing operates.

    • The inefficiencies in traditional SDR roles and how to rethink sales processes with AI and full-cycle AEs.

    • Why companies must adopt a portfolio approach to marketing investments to maximize ROI.

    • The fallacy of blanket advice and how businesses can find the right strategies for their unique circumstances.

    • Why bootstrapping to $10M ARR is the new benchmark for success.

    • How to transform event participation into a high-ROI strategy without costly trade show booths.

    • The shift to AI-powered small teams and why they’re outperforming large, traditional teams.

    • Rethinking inbound marketing and why it no longer serves as the best practice for B2B companies.

    Listen to the full episode to learn actionable strategies for building a more efficient and effective revenue engine.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    10 December 2024, 10:00 am
  • 53 minutes 40 seconds
    RV225 - The Future of AI in GTM | Go To Market Live Episode 39

    In today's episode, Chris shares how AI will completely redefine GTM strategies over the next 18 months, including its impact on RevOps, marketing efficiency, and SaaS companies overall.

    Key topics include:

    • How AI is transforming low-level marketing, design, and ops roles.

    • The shift towards smaller, AI-enabled teams with higher efficiency.

    • Why "free advice" from platforms like LinkedIn can be costly for businesses.

    • The future of intellectual property and thought leadership in a world driven by AI.

    • The critical need for CFOs to lead go-to-market efficiency and strategy.

    • Restructuring RevOps for transformational growth.

    • How smaller, agile companies can outpace legacy SaaS giants.

    • Predictions for 2025 and beyond: The convergence of AI, SaaS, and results-oriented pricing.

    Chris also discusses his evolving philosophy on entrepreneurship, leadership, and content creation.

    Listen to today's episode to learn how you can prepare for the future of GTM, and win.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    6 December 2024, 2:58 pm
  • 46 minutes 34 seconds
    RV224 - Listen To My Coffee Meeting (Advice For Founders)

    Today’s episode is possibly the most unique episode ever published on Revenue Vitals. 

    It's the audio from a private coffee meeting I had with an entrepreneur who is looking to start an agency. 

    Note - You will only be able to hear my audio, but I think you’ll get a lot of value from it.

    I shared my recent learnings around topics like:

    • Lessons learned from building multiple businesses

    • Getting to $20k / month as a solo-consultant vs. scaling an agency

    • How to optimize pricing

    • Differences in business needs at various growth stages (e.g., early-stage startups vs. mature organizations)

    • Using financial models and unit economics to drive strategic decisions

    • Structuring equity and compensation to incentivize long-term employee retention

    • The challenges with stock options and equity in startup and growth-stage businesses

    • The power of creating content on LinkedIn + podcasts as a Founder

    Listen to this full episode, and let me know if you’d like me to create more content around these topics for Founders and CEO’s.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    26 November 2024, 1:55 pm
  • 46 minutes 3 seconds
    RV223 - Evolving The CMO Role (Art vs. Science)

    In today’s episode, I’m sharing my interview on The Long Game podcast where we covered a variety of great topics like:

    • Being Misunderstood on LinkedIn

    • Attribution is a Tool (Not the Answer)

    • Reimagining the Role of the CMO

    • Demand Creation vs. Brand Awareness

    • Bootstrapping vs. Venture Capital

    • Why SaaS + Services is a Great Model

    • LinkedIn's B2B Potential

    • And more…

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.

    19 November 2024, 10:00 am
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