B2B Revenue Vitals

B2B Refine Labs

Welcome to the new B2B Revenue Vitals podcast, formerly State of Demand Gen. On this podcast, you’ll learn how to build a high-growth company from Refine Labs' CEO, Chris Walker. From proving new revenue programs to identifying and scaling programs that work, to training your team to operate at scale, you will understand what it takes to create a predictable pipeline of revenue innovation that drives compounding gains. Through interviews, AMAs, and invite-only events, we give you a sneak peek into the data-backed insights we are executing for the fastest-growing SaaS companies in the world.

  • 43 minutes 53 seconds
    RV177 - The Future of Revenue: Signal-Based Go-to-Market Strategies

    Chris joined Alan Zhao to talk about the evolution of B2B Go-To-Market tactics. Chris offers an insightful analysis of contemporary, data-oriented go-to-market strategies, emphasizing the essential role of analytics and data-centric decision-making in aligning sales and marketing initiatives with the changing patterns of buyer behavior.

    Chris provides an in-depth examination of the fundamental transition from conventional sales-driven frameworks to a modern methodology that gives precedence to demand generation and the strategic use of indicators within B2B marketing. He highlights the imperative for organizations to evolve in response to the sophisticated B2B purchaser, who is equipped with a wealth of digital resources. He points out the inefficacies prevalent in current go-to-market approaches and advocates for a concentrated effort on authentic demand creation and the interpretation of customer behavior as critical factors for attaining sustainable and effective growth in the current economic environment.

    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Peep Laja will be on Thursday May 16 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    10 May 2024, 10:00 am
  • 40 minutes 45 seconds
    RV176 - How Companies Can Eliminate GTM Bloat & Improve CAC with Kyle Coleman and Chris Walker

    Are skyrocketing CAC, decreasing LTV, and over-spending on ineffective demand generation tactics causing bloat in your go-to-market engine?

    You're not alone 👀

    Go-to-Market teams across tech and other sectors are grappling with these issues, and it's time to take control.

    From this recording you'll gain valuable insights on how to navigate the complexities of GTM bloat and emerge with a leaner, more effective approach. Kyle and Chris will share their expertise and discuss practical strategies for success, including:


    ⚡️ Optimizing ad spend and demand generation channels to boost ROI

    ⚡️ Doing meaningful data analysis to decipher what strategies are truly effective

    ⚡️ Rethinking personnel expense & team structure for operational efficiency

    ⚡️ Harnessing the power of AI for smarter decision-making


    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Peep Laja will be on Thursday May 16 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    7 May 2024, 10:00 am
  • 52 minutes 15 seconds
    RV175 - The Power of Signals in Go-To-Market Strategy | Go To Market Live Episode 15

    In this week’s event, Chris starts by sharing his vision for 2024 as a pivotal year for mid-market companies, with a focus on the economic viability and the pivotal shifts expected in the market. He elaborates on the intricate financial benchmarks, like the Rule of 40, which can signal tough times for companies with negative growth rates. He further emphasizes the importance of optimizing go-to-market strategies, noting that many companies overlook this vital aspect in their pursuit of growth.


    Following this, Chris takes a deep dive into the world of signals in marketing, differentiating between touchpoints and signals and explaining the significance of signal-based analytics in enhancing go-to-market processes. He explains how signals, unlike attribution mechanisms, are transformative catalysts for process enhancements, offering listeners a clearest pathway to reduced CAC and bumped ROI.


    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Peep Laja will be on Thursday May 16 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm


    5 May 2024, 10:00 am
  • 35 minutes 11 seconds
    RV174 - Optimizing Your Go-To-Market Strategy with Content | Podcast Gurus

    Chris joined the Podcast Gurus to talk about creating content and its power in the B2B space. They cover the challenges of B2B marketing and highlight important factors for growth and scalable demand gen programs.

    Chris discusses the common mistakes in marketing strategies and emphasizes the importance of data for insights. He talks about practical tactics and corrects wrong ideas about marketing investments. The episode is about improving marketing strategies that meet customer expectations and current market trends. It includes SEO content and aims to clearly explain effective marketing and the role of executives.

    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Peep Laja will be on Thursday May 16 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    3 May 2024, 10:00 am
  • 1 hour 17 seconds
    RV173 - Expert Session: Signal-Based Pipeline Architecture with Crissy Saunders and Charlie Saunders

    Chris was joined by CS2’s Crissy and Charlie Saunders to do a deep dive into Marketing Operations to support measurement of Demand Strategies and Programs. They discuss key requirements to set up a measurement framework to measure the effectiveness of demand programs including pipeline sources and how to think about funnel tracking. They also answer audience questions. 

    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    30 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 50 minutes 30 seconds
    RV172 - GTM Bloat and Financial Metrics in B2B SaaS Companies | Go To Market Live Episode 14

    In this week’s event, Chris provides detailed information on the financial strategies of B2B companies and the problems associated with excessive go-to-market (GTM) strategies. He leads listeners through topics including demand generation marketing, company growth, and the excessive spending on sales and marketing known as GTM bloat.

    Chris clearly explains the current market situation and advises companies to focus on the Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) payback period for financial planning instead of the traditional percentage of revenue approach. He summarizes the problems with having too many specialized roles in sales and marketing, identifies typical mistakes in budgeting, and recommends a financially sound approach that emphasizes effective customer acquisition and long-term stability instead of quick growth.


    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    28 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 50 minutes 12 seconds
    RV171 - What Matters in B2B Marketing in 2024

    Chris joined Steffen Hedebrandt live on LinkedIn to discuss what matters this year, and how it’s changed from past years. They discuss the latest breakthrough in AI-powered demand generation tools, offering a glimpse into the innovative solutions crafted at Refine Labs and Passetto. The talk pivots around essential changes in B2B marketing strategies, where Chris uncovers how building a vibrant community and fine-tuning to market feedback is more revolutionary than soaring ad budgets.

    Chris delves into the specifics, arguing that the economic downturn is beckoning B2B tech companies to reassess and rigorously scrutinize go-to-market investments. He plants a flag on the importance of aligning sales velocity with market signals, articulating two fundamental shifts which are reshaping modern B2B marketing. The conversation pivots around the 'signal analytics' arena, positioning it as the future of pinpointing prime marketing opportunities while sidelining less effective, resource-intensive strategies.


    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    26 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 45 minutes 58 seconds
    RV170 - Hunting is Dead | Pusching Limits

    Chris joined Jake live in the Austin studio to record an episode of the Pusching Limits Podcast to discuss B2B marketing strategies. They cover his background, his relocation to Austin, and explore his take on go-to-market strategies, content creation, and how sales and marketing departments are changing.

    Chris underlines the necessity for businesses to adjust their strategies due to B2B buyers increasingly relying on peer recommendations instead of traditional marketing tactics. The episode focuses on the importance of understanding customer experiences and using organic content to attract and inform prospects. Chris suggests using analytics, ensuring market fit, and being financially sensible, promoting a data-informed, user-friendly, and customer-focused approach to expand businesses and redesign sales roles.

    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Crissy and Charlie Saunders of CS2 Marketing, will be Wednesday April 24 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    23 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 49 minutes 19 seconds
    RV169 - The Changing Financial Dynamics of B2B SaaS and Tech Companies | Go To Market Live Episode 13

    In this week’s event, Chris tackles the evolving financial dynamics within B2B SaaS and tech companies. He delves into the substantial shift in valuation metrics applied to these organizations and explores the consequent pressure this places on their go-to-market expenditures, particularly in sales and marketing. With a strong emphasis on becoming a business-savvy executive rather than remaining confined to departmental roles, Chris lays out a blueprint for rethinking investment strategies.

    Following a detailed exploration of financial metrics and how they've historically influenced investment behaviors, Chris steps through his thoughts on how companies need to reallocate their budgets with a greater understanding of net new ARR versus total revenue. This episode sheds light on the urgent need to redefine the way financial decisions are made from a C-level perspective, steering away from traditional sales and marketing investments towards a more fiscally responsible approach.

    The Impact of Valuation Multiples:  Chris examines how the compression of valuation multiples triggers reevaluation of sales and marketing investments in SaaS businesses.

    Investing Wisely: An emphasis on investing based on net new ARR for a reasonable CAC payback period, rather than a percentage of total revenue.

    Optimizing Go-to-Market Expenditures: The necessity of cutting out inefficient spending on sales and marketing to improve overall financial health.

    Be a Business Leader First: Chris’s call to marketers and sales leaders to prioritize business acumen over functional roles in driving their departments' success.

    Future Predictions: Insight into upcoming shifts, such as the increasing significance of founder and personal brands, and the challenges in content trust.


    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Crissy and Charlie Saunders of CS2 Marketing, will be Wednesday April 24 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    21 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 40 minutes 58 seconds
    RV168 - Unlocking the Power of Signal-Based Selling | Go-To-Market Mavericks

    Chris joined the GTM Mavericks podcast to dive into the evolving landscape of B2B go-to-market strategies, highlighting the significance of signal-based selling and analytics. As a keen observer and influencer of market trends, Chris shares his experiences and introduces Passetto, a company combining technology and services to help businesses interpret data confidently.

    The conversation uncovers the challenges companies face in discerning valuable signals amidst an overflow of data that often leads to ineffective investment allocation and sales team overwhelm. Chris orchestrates a deep dive into the distinctions between signal providers and signal analytics, underscoring the essence of identifying the signals that truly drive revenue and sales productivity.

    Chris and host Kevin navigate the nuances of defining effective signals and the importance of correlating the right signals with high-intent actions to optimize sales team performance. As companies grapple with an inundation of data and technology offerings, Chris provides a roadmap for trimming the fat in go-to-market initiatives and reallocating resources to what truly matters.

    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Crissy and Charlie Saunders of CS2 Marketing, will be Wednesday April 24 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    19 April 2024, 10:00 am
  • 36 minutes 44 seconds
    RV167 - The Future of B2B Marketing | Qualified Pipeline Summit

    Chris delivered a keynote at this spring’s Qualified Pipeline summit. The event kicks off by diving into Chris's motivation for transitioning from the services industry to starting a software company offering GTM strategy as a service. The discussion offers a prime opportunity for businesses to comprehend the challenges and patterns that can dictate success in digital demand.

    Chris shares a candid reflection on the inefficiencies plaguing B2B companies, emphasizing a data-driven approach to revitalize go-to-market strategies. The conversation leads into the intricacies of GTM signal, stressing how reliable data serves as the backbone of successful decision-making and efficient company operations. Moreover, Chris challenges the current hype around AI in the B2B sector, advocating for a focus on fundamentals over flashy technology adoption.


    If you want to have a conversation with Chris and present your current questions, roadblocks, or projects you’re working through, make sure to attend this weekly event every Tuesday at 12 central. Register here.

    Can’t make the event but have a question for Chris? Submit it here.

    The next Expert Session, featuring Crissy and Charlie Saunders of CS2 Marketing, will be Wednesday April 24 at 12pm central. Register here

    Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing this episode. Get unlimited podcast editing at www.hatch.fm

    16 April 2024, 10:00 am
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