Welcome to the new B2B Revenue Vitals podcast, formerly State of Demand Gen. On this podcast, you’ll learn how to build a high-growth company from Refine Labs' CEO, Chris Walker. From proving new revenue programs to identifying and scaling programs that work, to training your team to operate at scale, you will understand what it takes to create a predictable pipeline of revenue innovation that drives compounding gains. Through interviews, AMAs, and invite-only events, we give you a sneak peek into the data-backed insights we are executing for the fastest-growing SaaS companies in the world.
Chris joined Brad Zomick’s show (LinkedIn Famous), where he shared insights on personal growth as a founder, his learnings from executing on LinkedIn for 5 years, and the new playbook founders can use to build and grow their companies.
Key topics from this episode:
The right way to approach LinkedIn (hint: vanity metrics don’t matter)
Personal growth and intuition as a founder
Learnings and mistakes from scaling Refine Labs & Passetto
Live events as a compounding asset
Why founders should re-think the VC-funded model
The future of social media in B2B
Why the most important thing as a founder is to take action
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
This is the first GTM Live episode of 2025, and Chris shares his most recent GTM strategies to help you win. These lessons are especially crucial for companies who want to scale past $10 million ARR.
Key topics from this episode:
The 3 Pillars of GTM Success: GTM Strategy, GTM Optimization, and GTM Operations.
Cost of Growth: Reframing GTM efficiency as "cost of growth" to measure true ROI and organizational health.
AI and Copycat Products: How AI is accelerating product cloning and forcing companies to change how they differentiate.
Challenges of PLG Integration: The pitfalls of mixing product-led and sales-led growth motions together in established companies.
Smaller, Agile Teams: The shift towards AI-enabled, lean marketing and sales teams for efficiency and flexibility.
Flawed Metrics: Why reliance on outdated KPIs like MQLs and traditional attribution models is a mistake.
Siloed Departments: The need to remove organizational silos to create a Unified Revenue Factory.
Future-Proofing Sales and Marketing: Strategies to align compensation, integrate data, and streamline processes for sustainable pipeline creation.
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
This is a must-listen episode where Chris Walker joined Dave Gerhardt (Founder & CEO of Exit Five) on the B2B Marketing with Dave Gerhardt podcast.
Key topics from this episode:
Why being “early” in seeing how marketing is changing is often misunderstood as being wrong
How to manage negativity on social media while staying focused on your goals
Using podcasts, live events, and social media to gather actionable customer insights in real time
Breaking down marketing into Strategy vs. Pipeline Creation for clarity and efficiency
Why AI is an accelerant for creativity and execution, not a replacement for strategic thinking
How smaller and more agile marketing teams are outperforming larger ones
Calculating true marketing ROI by accounting for headcount, tools, and overall efficiency
How senior marketing leaders can improve outcomes by staying hands-on and closer to the execution process
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
In this episode, Chris Walker talks with hosts Mikkel Kiærulf Plæhn and Toni Hohlbein about the GTM challenges B2B companies face. He shares common mistakes companies are making, how to better use data for decision-making, and predictions for what the future of GTM looks like.
Key topics from this episode:
Why unit economics at the top of the funnel are the root of most GTM inefficiencies
The CEO’s pivotal role in aligning the entire GTM function
Why current data structures fail executives and how to fix them
Predictions for 2025: Centralized decision-making, smaller teams, and AI-native organizations
The pitfalls of relying on outdated KPIs like MQLs and demo requests
Why traditional attribution models hinder strategic decision-making
How AI will reshape GTM strategies and why data architecture is critical
The shift from RevOps to a more streamlined approach to operations
Chris’s vision for post-sale functions: Aligning customer success with measurable outcomes
Strategies for improving per-rep productivity and scaling efficiently
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
In this episode, Chris Walker joins a live event by Finn Thormeier to share his current approach to content, and what it takes to create a B2B content strategy in 2025 that actually works.
Topics covered in this episode:
Chris’s current content approach and strategy while building Passetto
The problem with sharing your IP too freely in your content
Lead gen vs. audience building
Invite-only events as a secret weapon
When to focus on niche vs. broad content
How to develop your content POV’s
The most effective way to source weekly content topics
Who should be the face of your content brand
Why distribution won’t save bad strategy
How to measure results from content
The future of content creation roles
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
In this episode, Chris Walker shares how GTM teams can achieve better results. He breaks down the steps revenue and marketing leaders can take to understand their spending, measure their impact, and drive more effective outcomes.
Key topics include:
Transitioning from growth-at-all-costs to efficiency-first strategies
The critical role of financial data in optimizing GTM investments
How to build a closed-loop feedback system for greater pipeline efficiency
The problem with blanket cost-cutting and why it doesn’t solve GTM inefficiencies
Rethinking the marketing leader’s role: From tactician to strategic revenue driver
The concept of marketing as a portfolio of investments and how to optimize it
Why marketing and sales alignment is critical but often misunderstood
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
In this episode, Chris Walker shares why many companies have GTM efforts that fail to deliver the expected results, which can often result in missing out on hundreds of millions of dollars of shareholder value.
He breaks down the root causes—disconnected teams, poor data, and misaligned goals—and provides actionable steps to address them.
Key topics include:
Why the CEO—not the CFO—should be responsible for fixing GTM efficiency.
The inefficiency of traditional KPI systems and how they hinder strategic decision-making.
How to align GTM strategies across finance, marketing, sales, and RevOps.
How flawed data architecture leads to misaligned budgets and reduced pipeline efficiency.
The importance of early-warning metrics like pipeline efficiency to avoid costly performance degradation.
Practical ways to integrate financial data with CRM insights for better executive-level decisions.
Why AI, SDRs, and marketing teams must unite under a shared accountability framework.
Transforming the prospecting engine: A case for marketing-led SDR management.
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
In this episode, Chris Walker talks with host Nick Flamini about practical ways to improve go-to-market strategies, strengthen the connection between finance and marketing, and make small teams more effective with AI.
Key topics include:
Why CFOs should lead the go-to-market planning model that drives how marketing operates.
The inefficiencies in traditional SDR roles and how to rethink sales processes with AI and full-cycle AEs.
Why companies must adopt a portfolio approach to marketing investments to maximize ROI.
The fallacy of blanket advice and how businesses can find the right strategies for their unique circumstances.
Why bootstrapping to $10M ARR is the new benchmark for success.
How to transform event participation into a high-ROI strategy without costly trade show booths.
The shift to AI-powered small teams and why they’re outperforming large, traditional teams.
Rethinking inbound marketing and why it no longer serves as the best practice for B2B companies.
Listen to the full episode to learn actionable strategies for building a more efficient and effective revenue engine.
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
In today's episode, Chris shares how AI will completely redefine GTM strategies over the next 18 months, including its impact on RevOps, marketing efficiency, and SaaS companies overall.
Key topics include:
How AI is transforming low-level marketing, design, and ops roles.
The shift towards smaller, AI-enabled teams with higher efficiency.
Why "free advice" from platforms like LinkedIn can be costly for businesses.
The future of intellectual property and thought leadership in a world driven by AI.
The critical need for CFOs to lead go-to-market efficiency and strategy.
Restructuring RevOps for transformational growth.
How smaller, agile companies can outpace legacy SaaS giants.
Predictions for 2025 and beyond: The convergence of AI, SaaS, and results-oriented pricing.
Chris also discusses his evolving philosophy on entrepreneurship, leadership, and content creation.
Listen to today's episode to learn how you can prepare for the future of GTM, and win.
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
Today’s episode is possibly the most unique episode ever published on Revenue Vitals.
It's the audio from a private coffee meeting I had with an entrepreneur who is looking to start an agency.
Note - You will only be able to hear my audio, but I think you’ll get a lot of value from it.
I shared my recent learnings around topics like:
Lessons learned from building multiple businesses
Getting to $20k / month as a solo-consultant vs. scaling an agency
How to optimize pricing
Differences in business needs at various growth stages (e.g., early-stage startups vs. mature organizations)
Using financial models and unit economics to drive strategic decisions
Structuring equity and compensation to incentivize long-term employee retention
The challenges with stock options and equity in startup and growth-stage businesses
The power of creating content on LinkedIn + podcasts as a Founder
Listen to this full episode, and let me know if you’d like me to create more content around these topics for Founders and CEO’s.
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
In today’s episode, I’m sharing my interview on The Long Game podcast where we covered a variety of great topics like:
Being Misunderstood on LinkedIn
Attribution is a Tool (Not the Answer)
Reimagining the Role of the CMO
Demand Creation vs. Brand Awareness
Bootstrapping vs. Venture Capital
Why SaaS + Services is a Great Model
LinkedIn's B2B Potential
And more…
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Thanks to our friends at Hatch for producing Revenue Vitals, and all of Chris’s short-form video and YouTube content. Hatch is a video-first content agency that creates short-form video content, video podcasts, original video series, and YouTube videos for B2B companies. Visit www.hatch.fm to learn more.
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