A conversation with NotebookLM. Well, actually it's more of a conversation by NotebookLM, based on 52 previous episodes of this podcast. Well, you'll just have to listen. Facilitated by CAT+FD's Creative Generalist Bart Everson.

Links for this episode:

• NotebookLM (Google)
• Illuminate (a similar experimental product, also from Google)

Transcript:

Bart Everson
This is Bart Everson, Creative Generalist for Faculty Development. I wanted to tell you a little bit about a artificial intelligence platform that you may have heard of. It's NotebookLM. Google's advertising it as an experimental model. They call it a personalized AI collaborator that, and I'm quoting here, "helps you do your best thinking."

The idea is that you upload documents and then it analyzes those slices and dices them in a bunch of different ways. What I find particularly interesting about this platform is that you can upload a voluminous amount of texts, and for example, believe the limit might be 52 sources that you can upload. Each one be a document of, I believe, up to 500,000 words.

Now that's a lot of text, and one of the features of this platform has been that it can make podcasts out of them. Well, that's real funny and amusing, and we're going to take a look at that in a moment, because we can't resist a little fun. But I just want to say that I think the more interesting features of NotebookLM are sometimes overlooked. You can ask all kinds of questions analyzing the documents that you've uploaded, including comparing and contrasting different themes with this really rich set of features.

For example, you could upload an essay by a scholar in some — who's doing work that's adjacent to yours, and upload some of your own work and look for a comparison between the two. I mean, looking for common themes. It's even more interesting, I suppose, if the scholar is far afield from what you do. It's got a chat interface so you can just ask questions, but there's all kinds of built in prompts and buttons to press, and I just encourage you to explore around with it, if you like.

It's not just, you know, PDFs that you can upload here. You can put in URLs, and even you can throw up some audio files. So what we did was we took, you know — since we have over 100 episodes of this podcast, we thought it would be interesting to see what kind of podcast NotebookLM generated from our previous episodes. Of course, we have a lot more than the limit allows. So I uploaded 52 randomly selected episodes, and after a bit of hit and miss, I asked the podcast hosts, these artificial people, to focus on critical thinking as a theme, you know, that kind of predominates many of these episodes.

Well, here's what they came up with.

Male Host
Welcome back everybody. Ready for another deep dive?

Female Host
Absolutely, always excited to see what sources we're tackling today.

Male Host
Well, this time, it's all about education, more specifically learning. You know how to learn and how to think better. All that good stuff.

Female Host
Sounds right up our alley?

Male Host
Yeah. And the listeners sent over this fascinating collection of sources. We've got interviews with professors, some research papers, even a few personal anecdotes. A lot to unpack here.

Female Host
Yeah, real mix. But you know what's interesting? Even though these sources are all over the place, there's this underlying theme connecting them, this idea of how we learn and how we can be better thinkers.

Male Host
You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what struck me, too. It's like a puzzle with all these different pieces, but they fit together to create this bigger picture of how we approach learning and thinking. So let's dive right in.

Female Host
Sounds good to me.

We'll start with these interviews from professors talk about diverse perspectives. Each one has a unique teaching style and philosophy, like one professor really stood out, uses humor to challenge students and create this really rigorous learning environment. You wouldn't think those two things go together, but apparently it's super effective.

Female Host
Yeah, reminds us that engagement doesn't mean it can't be challenging.

Male Host
Exactly. And then we have this other professor who's all about reading across the curriculum. Them arguing that, no matter what you're studying, being able to read and analyze text is crucial.

Female Host
Can't argue with that those skills are fundamental, no matter what field you're in.

Male Host
Absolutely. and of course, we can't ignore the elephant in the room, online learning. It's everywhere these days.

Female Host
Right. Some of the professors are excited about the possibilities, you know, using multimedia and having access to experts from all over the world, but others are worried about the downsides, like distractions and keeping students focused. It's a real mixed bag.

Male Host
It is, what about you? What's your experience with online learning been like?

Female Host
Honestly, it's a bit of both. I've had some amazing online learning experiences that were engaging and really well designed, but I've also had some that felt, I don't know, kind of superficial. I think it really comes down to how much effort both the instructor and the student are putting in.

Male Host
Totally agree, which actually brings us to our next topic, the impact of technology. One of the research papers you sent looks at multitasking and how all this tech is affecting our attention spans. And let me tell you, the findings are kind of scary.

Female Host
Oh, yeah, definitely. Some food for thought.

Male Host
People switch activities every three minutes on average. Can you believe that? Yeah, and they only spend like, 10 and a half minutes in a single quote, unquote, working sphere before jumping to something else. Makes you wonder how much we're actually absorbing.

Female Host
I know, right, with all these notifications and distractions, it's tough to stay focused on one thing for very long. What about you? Do you have any strategies for managing all that and staying on task?

Male Host
Honestly, I'm still figuring it out, but I think being mindful of how we use technology is key, like setting boundaries, maybe turning off notifications, creating dedicated workspaces, things like that.

Female Host
Definitely small steps can make a big difference totally. But here's

Male Host
the thing, even though interruptions seem bad for productivity, the research found that they can actually make people work faster, really.

Female Host
Yeah, that's interesting. It's like the pressure of an interruption forces you to focus in short bursts.

Male Host
Exactly, but there's a catch, right? It might make you work faster, but it can also lead to stress and burnout, and who knows about the quality of work when you're rushing?

Female Host
Yeah, that's a good point. It's not always about speed, especially when it comes to deep learning and critical thinking, sometimes you need to slow down and really process things

Male Host
Right exactly. And that makes me think about how we measure learning in the first place, which is what this next study is all about. It looks at great inflation, and get this, it spans like 70 years of data.

Female Host
Wow, that's a long time.

Male Host
I know it's fascinating. And the researchers found that there were these two major waves of great inflation, one in the 60s and another in the 80s. They think the second wave might be connected to the rise of student evaluations and this whole idea of students as like consumers of education.

Female Host
Interesting. So instead of seeing themselves as learners who are actively engaged in the process, it's more like they're purchasing a product a degree.

Male Host
Exactly, and they're expecting a certain return on their investment, which in this case would be good grades. It really was you think of the purpose of education, you know, are we focused on grades and credentials, or are we trying to cultivate a love of learning and a desire to really understand the world?

Female Host
Yeah, big questions, and it's not an easy answer, yeah, but I think it's a conversation worth having.

Male Host
For sure. So maybe we need to think beyond traditional classrooms and grades. What about those articles on service learning?

Female Host
Oh, yeah, that's a really interesting approach. It's all about connecting learning to real world experiences.

Male Host
Like that example, where students interviewed people at a soup kitchen. They weren't just reading about poverty in a textbook, they were actually engaging with people who were experiencing it firsthand, exactly.

Female Host
And that can be incredibly powerful. It's one thing to understand a concept intellectually, but as a whole other level, when you can connect it to real people and real world situations.

Male Host
I totally agree, and it's not just about doing good deeds. There's this emphasis on reflection and critical analysis, like one professor even challenged students to think about the social justice implications of their service learning experiences.

Bart Everson
All right, okay, so hold on to your hats, folks. No, there's nothing wrong with the — I'm just speeding things up. I hope you don't mind. It's just getting a little bit repetitive. And of course, this just goes on and on. And I thought, in the interest of time, I'd just speed it up. But don't worry, I'll set you back down right about here.

Male Host
—like that professor who had students create PowerPoint presentations showcasing their research on the history and culture the Isleños community, almost as if they were creating a museum exhibit. That's so cool.

Female Host
I know it's a great example of how assessment can be integrated into a real world context, giving students a chance to apply their knowledge and skills in a meaningful way.

Male Host
And it's not just about the final product, right? It's about the. Process of research collaboration, critical thinking and creative problem solving that goes into it

Female Host
Exactly. It's about the learning journey itself, not just the destination.

Male Host
But authentic assessment can be tricky to implement, right? It requires a lot of planning and careful consideration.

Female Host
It does we need to be clear about our learning goals, develop rubrics that reflect those goals, and be willing to embrace the messiness and unpredictability of real world learning.

Male Host
It's a shift in mindset, for sure, both for educators and for students, right?

Female Host
We need to move away from seeing assessment as simply a way to measure achievement and embrace it as a tool for learning and growth.

Male Host
It's about recognizing that learning is a continuous process, and assessment should be part of that process.

Female Host
And it's about recognizing that success looks different for every student. We need to create assessments that are flexible allow for multiple pathways to demonstrate understanding and value the unique strengths and challenges of each learner.

Male Host
So we've talked about critical thinking, technology, mentorship and even assessment. But there's one more layer to this conversation that I think we need to acknowledge the power of individual stories.

Female Host
Yes, all of these sources we've been looking at are full of personal anecdotes, student experiences and faculty perspectives. Those stories really bring these abstract ideas to life.

Male Host
They make them relatable and help us connect with the human experience behind the theories and the research.

Female Host
Exactly. Stories have the power to connect us, inspire us, and help us see the world through different eyes.

Male Host
It's a reminder that everyone comes to the learning process with their own unique background, their own experiences, their own challenges, and by creating space for those stories to be shared and heard, we create a richer and more inclusive learning environment for everyone.

Female Host
It's about valuing that diversity of perspectives and recognizing that every individual has something valuable to contribute.

Male Host
And that recognition that understanding of the human element of learning is so crucial for fostering empathy and compassion, and those qualities are more important than ever in today's world,

Female Host
Absolutely, several of the sources emphasize the importance of empathy and compassion in education, whether it's through service, learning, community engagement or simply creating a classroom culture of respect and understanding, those experiences help us broaden our worldview and deepen our appreciation for the interconnectedness of humanity.

Male Host
It's like expanding our circle of concern beyond ourselves to encompass a wider community, a wider world.

Female Host
Precisely, and that expanded sense of empathy and compassion is crucial for tackling those complex global challenges we face.

Male Host
It's about recognizing that we're all in this together, and we have a responsibility to look out for each other and work toward a more just and equitable world.

Female Host
And that sense of responsibility, that commitment to social justice, is inextricably linked to critical thinking. It's about using our knowledge and understanding to make informed decisions, to challenge injustice and to create positive change.

Male Host
So we've covered a lot of ground in this deep dive, from the classroom to the community to the global stage, but it feels like we've only just scratched the surface.

Female Host
We have there's always more to explore, but I think we've laid a good foundation.

Male Host
We've explored the multi faceted nature of critical thinking, the evolving role of technology and education, the power of mentorship and individual stories, and the importance of creating learning environments that foster empathy, compassion and a sense of social responsibility.

Female Host
It's a lot to think about, but that's what critical thinking is all about. It's about engaging in continuous learning, challenging assumptions and seeking deeper understanding.

Male Host
Let's take a quick break and come back to reflect on some of these key insights and explore what all of this means for our own lives and journeys as learners.

Bart Everson
Oh, all right, hey, it's me again. Bart, you're still with me? Yeah, they rambled on a bit there, didn't they? But of course, they're covering literally dozens of episodes, so there was kind of a lot to talk about. And yes, it was a bit rembly. But given the topic matter, you know, it's hard, hard to avoid. So I thought, All things considered, they did a pretty good job. I'm referring to them as if they're real people. But of course, that's not the case. It's just generated by, you know, it sounds very realistic at times, but it's really just all generated by the NotebookLM, artificial intelligence program. Well, let's see how they wrap it all up. Shall we? It was so nice of them to give me that little break.

Male Host
Okay, so we've spent all this time talking about critical thinking and how to be better learners. But what does it all really mean? Like, how do we actually take all these ideas and apply them to our own lives?

Female Host
I think that's the million dollar question, right? It's one thing to talk about these concepts, but it's another to actually put them into practice totally so where do we even begin? Well. Think it starts with that willingness to be open minded, to question assumptions and to embrace the fact that learning is a lifelong process. It's not like we just graduate from school and we're done right?

Male Host
It's about staying curious and being open to new ideas and perspectives, even if they challenge our existing beliefs Exactly.

Female Host
And I think a big part of that is recognizing that we all have biases. We all come to the table with our own set of experiences and perspectives that shape how we see the world, and being aware of those biases is the first step towards thinking more critically and objectively.

Male Host
It's like we have to be willing to constantly examine our own thinking, to ask ourselves, why do I believe this? What evidence supports this claim. Am I being influenced by my emotions or my preconceived notions

Female Host
Exactly? And that kind of self reflection can be really uncomfortable sometimes, but it's also incredibly valuable, because it allows us to identify those blind spots, those areas where our thinking might be clouded by our own biases or assumptions.

Male Host
It's like we're shining a light on those dark corners of our minds and saying, Okay, let's take a closer look at what's going on here.

Female Host
And once we've done that, once we've acknowledged our own biases, we can start to be more open to other perspectives, to consider alternative explanations, to entertain the possibility that we might be wrong,

Male Host
and that willingness to be wrong, to admit that we don't have all the answers, is essential for growth, right? I mean, if we're always clinging to our own beliefs, how can we ever learn anything new?

Female Host
Exactly, learning requires humility. It requires that willingness to let go of our cherished beliefs when they're no longer serving us.

Male Host
And that can be tough. It's like we have to be willing to unlearn some of the things we thought we knew.

Female Host
It is tough, but it's also incredibly liberating, because when we let go of those rigid beliefs, we open ourselves up to a whole new world of possibilities.

Male Host
And that's what critical thinking is all about, right? It's about expanding our minds, challenging our assumptions, and constantly seeking deeper understanding.

Female Host
Exactly. It's about being curious, being skeptical and being willing to engage in that process of intellectual exploration even when it's uncomfortable or challenging.

Male Host
It's about embracing the messiness of learning and recognizing that there are no easy answers, right?

Female Host
There's no magic formula for becoming a critical thinker. It's an ongoing process that requires effort…

Male Host
And practice, but it's a process that's worth it, because ultimately, critical thinking empowers us to make better decisions, to solve problems more effectively and to live more meaningful and fulfilling lives.

Female Host
Couldn't agree more, it's about becoming more informed, more engaged and more responsible citizens of the world…

Male Host
And that's a pretty great goal to strive for.

Female Host
Well, I think we've covered a lot of ground today. We've explored the complexities of critical thinking, the challenges and opportunities of the digital age, the power of mentorship and individual stories, and the importance of creating learning environments that foster empathy, compassion and a sense of social responsibility.

Male Host
It's been a rich and thought provoking conversation, and I hope our listeners are leaving feeling inspired and empowered to embrace the power of critical thinking in their own lives.

Female Host
Me too. So keep those minds sharp, stay curious and never stop learning.

Male Host
And remember the world needs your critical thinking skills now more than ever, so go out there and make a difference.

Female Host
Thanks for joining us for this deep dive, everyone. We'll catch you next time.

Bart Everson
All right. Well, there you have it. Lots of thoughts, if you can call them thoughts when they come from an artificial intelligence, lots of thoughts about our thoughts about critical thinking, as reflected in over 50 episodes of this podcast, which has been running for so many years. Again, I wanted to reiterate that this is from NotebookLM, and I've noticed all of the attention NotebookLM gets for this podcast feature because it's fun and goofy and weird, but as a lot of other features. So I'd encourage you to take a look at NotebookLM, if you're into that kind of thing, feature some documents and see what it can do. It's much more than just AI podcasts, anyhow, until next time. Thanks for listening. This is Bart Everson.

A conversation with Asem Abdullahad, Michelle Boissiere, Wendy Gaudin, and Elizabeth Manley on communities of practice at Xavier, facilitated by incoming CAT+FD Director Jason S. Todd.

Asem Abdulahad Wendy Gaudin Michelle Boissiere Elizabeth Manley

Links for this episode:

• Communities of Practice (CAT Base)

Transcript:

Coming soon!

A conversation with Beth Schwartz and Regan Gurung on the scholarship of teaching and learning, facilitated by outgoing (no pun intended) CAT+FD Director Elizabeth Yost Hammer.

Regan A. R. Gurung, PhD, is a social psychologist by training with research encompassing social, health, and pedagogical psychology.  Over 100 of his articles have been published in peer-reviewed journals and he has co-authored/co-edited 15 books. Beth M. Schwartz, PhD, is the Office of Applied Psychology’s associate director. Schwartz received her BA from Colby College (Maine) and her PhD in cognitive psychology from the State University of New York at Buffalo.

Links for this episode:

• Optimizing Teaching and Learning: Practicing Pedagogical Research [Wiley]
• "Scholarship Reconsidered" by Ernest L. Boyer
• Office of Applied Psychology [APA]
• Education: Teaching and Learning [OSU]

Transcript:

Coming soon!

A conversation between Elizabeth Yost Hammer and Stephen Linn Chew on the importance of student trust.

Photo used by permission

Stephen L. Chew has been a professor of psychology at Samford since 1993. He served as department chair from 1993 to 2019. Trained as a cognitive psychologist, he is a nationally recognized expert on the cognitive basis of effective teaching and student learning. He conducts original research on topics such as using examples in teaching, the impact of cognitive load on learning, the importance of student curiosity and trust in the teacher, and the tenacious misconceptions that students bring into the classroom. He also works to translate cognitive research into accessible knowledge for teachers and students. Dr. Chew is the creator of a groundbreaking series of YouTube videos for students on studying effectively based on cognitive research. The videos have received millions of views and are used worldwide at educational institutions, from high schools to professional schools.

Samford University

Links for this episode:

• "It Is More Important for Students to Trust Us Than to Like Us" by Stephen Chew
• Learning in Pandemic Times (video, 24 min.)

Transcript:

Coming soon!

A conversation between ChatGPT and Mark Gstohl on teaching, learning, and artificial intelligence.

ChatGPT is an artificial intelligence (AI) chatbot developed by OpenAI. It's been in the news a lot since its launch in late 2022.

Dr. Mark Gstohl is CAT+FD's Associate Director for Programming. He's also an associate professor in the Theology Department who has taught at Xavier since 2000.

Links for this episode:

• ChatGPT
• Text to Speech Free (we used this tool to give ChatGPT a spoken voice)
• Artificial Intelligence “Bootcamp” for Xavier Faculty Spring 2023

Transcript:

Bart Everson: You may remember way back in episode #114, I interviewed ChatGPT, and we had quite an interesting conversation. We thought we'd turn the tables now and have ChatGPT ask the questions. So, without further ado, here's an interview between ChatGPT and our own Associate Director, Dr. Mark Gstohl.

ChatGPT: Welcome, everyone, to another episode of "Teaching, Learning, and Everything Else." Today, we have the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Mark Gstohl, an associate professor in the Theology Department at Xavier University of Louisiana. Thank you for joining us, Dr. Gstohl. Could you please tell us a bit about your teaching background and some of the unique initiatives you've been involved in during your career?

Mark Gstohl: First of all, let me say that your outfit is stunning. Too bad we're on a podcast, and our listeners can't see it. I've been teaching at Xavier for 23 years. I've taught in the theology department throughout this time, as well as classes for the core curriculum in quite a few freshman seminar classes. Throughout my career, I've tried to help my students understand how they can fulfill the mission of Xavier, which is to create a more just and humane society. I've done this in a variety of ways. Service learning has always been a passion of mine. And as a result of this, I've taught quite a few courses in which students got to work with community leaders and have made our community and world a better place. Because of this work, I became the Faculty-in-Residence for Service Learning at Xavier's Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development, and served in that position from 2010 to 2013. Probably my favorite experience with my students was during service learning activities in which we created Little Free Libraries and placed them throughout the city. If you're not familiar with Little Free Libraries, they're these small boxes that are placed usually at somebody's residence, or a public place, that contain books. And that way, those who live around the Little Free Library can have access to free books. Another experience that I really enjoyed, which was service-learning-related, was when I partnered with Jackie Inglefield, a local artist. And we received a fellowship from an entity in New Orleans called A Studio in the Woods. And our project involved creating a large art piece that incorporated art that represented animals native to Louisiana. And this art piece was composed of recycled plastic. My students then created posters explaining how the various world religions approach the ecological world and their connection to the world. We presented this research and project at the Fall Festival of A Studio in the Woods. And it was quite successful. Because of my work with service learning, and this work with a local artist, I was awarded the Top 100 Leaders in Education by the Global Forum for Education and Learning in 2021, in recognition of my contribution to the field of education, and then recently, I've become the Associate Director for Programming at the Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development. So that's a brief summary of my teaching experience.

ChatGPT: Thank you, Dr. Gstohl, for sharing your inspiring journey in education and service-learning. Your dedication to creating a more just and humane society through your teaching is truly commendable. The Little Free Libraries and the art project with Jackie Inglefield sound fascinating and impactful.

Could you elaborate more on the role of service-learning in your courses and how it has enriched the educational experience for your students? Additionally, how has your work as the Faculty-in-Residence for Service Learning and your partnership with the Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development contributed to fostering a culture of service and community engagement at Xavier University?

Please take your time to share your insights, and we're eager to learn more about your experiences.

MG: One of the challenges that faculty are faced when doing service learning is to focus on the service aspect, and not emphasize or focus on the learning aspect. What I tried to do was to tie the activities into a learning objective. And that way, I became much more effective in encouraging students to actually learn from the experience. There are so many advantages to service learning, it's really hard to narrow it down. One of the greatest aspects is that students get to know each other better and spend time outside the classroom with me and each other. And that is very rewarding for me. And I think it's fun for them to be engaged in an activity where they have to problem-solve and work together and struggle together. And then they feel a sense of accomplishment at the end of the semester. I always, as a part of my learning process, require students to reflect on the activity with a brief essay at the end of the semester. In terms of my role as a Faculty-in-Residence for Service Learning, I was able to help faculty understand how to do service learning well, and again, focus on the learning aspect rather than simply on the service aspect. I led several workshops in order to accomplish that goal. But I was also responsible for reading their syllabi and approving their service learning projects, when faculty were beginning to engage in a service learning project in their courses. This was a great opportunity for me to learn from the faculty and also provide some input on how they might make the service learning activities really align with their course goals and objective. I think that engaging in service learning really is its own best advertisement, if you will. I think sharing with faculty what was being done by other faculty members in their courses really helped to promote service learning. And it's a fun, exciting, but difficult process, but I found it most rewarding.

ChatGPT: Your approach to service-learning, focusing on the learning aspect and tying activities to specific objectives, is commendable. It's evident that your dedication to service and community engagement has had a positive impact on your students. As you continue to serve as the Associate Director for Programming at the Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development, could you share some of the innovative programming and initiatives you're currently working on? How do you envision these efforts further contributing to the growth of impactful teaching practices and fostering a culture of continuous learning at Xavier University?

MG: Well, the great thing about working at the Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development is that this is a collaborative effort. So we might have a good idea. But my awesome colleagues are always willing to jump in and tweak or highlight an idea that we come up with. So it's really difficult for me to take credit or talk about certain initiatives that I've started. However, I do have two that I did come up with. And I think they're going to be really fun this coming semester. One is that I've decided that we need to have a space in CAT for faculty to come and sit down and talk with the staff at the Center, and in a relaxed atmosphere. So we've set up a coffee station and a tea station. And we're still working on the logistics about how we're going to schedule that. But I'm really excited about it. And I want everybody to keep an eye out for this because I think it's going to be really fun. The second thing that I've talked about for the fall with my colleagues was what we're going to call Throwback Thursday. We have some excellent resources on our wiki and on our blog, and on our website that I just don't believe faculty are taking complete advantage of, so I want to kind of highlight that this semester. And so what I'm doing is I will have a Thursday evening 100% online workshop in which we will review a previous workshop from last semester or the semester before. And that way, if a faculty member has missed a workshop, they can enjoy looking at it from a fresh perspective. And I'll be commenting on it. And you never know we might actually have something that we come up with in the Thursday Throwback time that we can add to the wiki. So I'm looking forward to that. And so I want everybody to keep their eyes open for the CAT calendar for these events.

ChatGPT: Thank you, Dr. Gstohl, for sharing those exciting initiatives you're working on at the Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development. The collaborative nature of your work and the supportive environment you've described are truly valuable for fostering innovation and continuous improvement in teaching practices.

The idea of having a relaxed space with a coffee and tea station at CAT sounds wonderful and inviting. Could you elaborate on how you envision this space benefiting faculty members? How do you think this casual setting will enhance communication and collaboration between faculty and the staff at the Center, and what are your expectations for this initiative in terms of building a strong sense of community among the faculty at Xavier University?

MG: So our theme this year at CAT is reengagement. I think after the COVID issues and other events and issues that we faced in the recent past, have shown us that we need to reconnect with our faculty, ourselves, and also with students. I think this initiative will provide an opportunity for faculty to do that, to take advantage of a space that's safe, nonjudgmental, and confidential. I'm not really sure what the conversations will be like, but my hope is that this initiative makes faculty more aware that we at CAT are willing to help outside of our regular workshops, and that we care about their struggles and their successes and also want to hear from them. I know this is an ambitious goal, but I think it would be great if this eventually led to a regular coffee meeting among faculty, just so that they can get together and share their complaints and also their struggles and also their successes, so that we can help each other be better at serving our students." Please generate another question to keep the conversation going, perhaps in a slightly different or unexpected direction.

ChatGPT: Thank you for sharing the theme of reengagement at CAT, Dr. Gstohl. It's evident that fostering a sense of community and support is a key focus for the Center, especially in light of the challenges faced in recent times.

Building on the idea of creating a safe and supportive space for faculty to connect, I'm curious about your thoughts on interdisciplinary collaboration. As a theology professor with a passion for service-learning, you've experienced the value of interdisciplinary approaches. How do you see initiatives like the coffee and tea station encouraging faculty from different departments to come together and collaborate? Can you envision opportunities for interdisciplinary projects or discussions arising from these casual gatherings, and how might this enrich the educational experience for both faculty and students at Xavier University?

Additionally, you mentioned the importance of hearing from faculty and understanding their struggles and successes. In the spirit of open communication, how do you envision implementing feedback mechanisms or platforms where faculty can share their thoughts and ideas with CAT beyond the coffee and tea station? How might this feedback loop further strengthen the partnership between faculty and CAT in shaping meaningful and impactful programming for the university community?

MG: Wow, those are quite a few questions. Thanks for sharing these with me. And I'll try to answer them all, if I can. So the first one is how do I see initiatives like the coffee and tea station, encouraging faculty to come together and collaborate. I think having an open place, semi private place, but a welcoming place to gather and drink some coffee and tea and sit down with a cat staff member, or even having the ability to run into another faculty member who's doing the same thing, taking advantage of the spot, the location, anytime we get together, I think there's an opportunity for us to collaborate or think about some things that we can work together on. Obviously, if you have faculty from different disciplines, and they talk about similar things in a casual context, I think there'll be they'll be more open to working together as we get to know each other better. I teach two courses that are interdisciplinary courses. And it's because I knew these faculty well that I teach these courses with, I knew that I would get along with them. And I knew they were great teachers. And I thought I would make great partners that comes from having conversations. This has been a really exciting course of events for me, because I enjoy those courses immensely. The next major question was about feedback and mechanisms or platforms where faculty can share their thoughts or ideas. Beyond this, coffee and tea station, we have other opportunities. For example, we with every workshop, we create, we ask participants to fill out an evaluation form. And they're encouraged through that to offer us critiques or to offer us other ideas for workshops they might want to take. And that's been a very fruitful exercise for us. Also, as the Associate Director of programming. At the end of the academic year, I send out emails to some of the chairs or department heads, faculty leaders, and I asked, ask them what they might need, what we might need to do in order to create workshops for needs that they've seen that have been had a rhythm throughout the academic year, and what their faculty might need. And then in the summer, we plan our calendar for the next year and we base it on this feedback. So we do have a feedback loop from the faculty in a couple of ways, and we're also faculty members ourselves. Dr. Hammer is a faculty member and I'm a faculty member and we interact with faculty and other ways and other committees. And so I know that the faculty is open to reaching out to us and asking for advice and they do so quite often.

ChatGPT: It's clear that you and the faculty at Xavier University are dedicated to education and fostering a supportive community. Now, for a light-hearted question: If you could have any superpower to aid you in your work at CAT, what would it be and why? How do you think this superpower might enhance your role as the Associate Director for Programming and your interactions with faculty and staff?

MG: Wow, that is an interesting question. At first, I think it would be cool to be able to fly everywhere. I'm not sure that that would help my help me in my job as Associate Director. But maybe, I don't know, if a superpower like persuasion, like Jedis, you know, they, they influence persons to do what they want them to do. And I think I could, I would love to use that and persuade more faculty members to attend our workshops and events, because there was a workshop we did a couple of weeks ago, and 90% of the faculty would have benefited by attending and doing, you know, there were a couple of ideas that other faculty shared about how they help create more interactive teaching, and make their teaching better. And all three had great ideas. And I think being able to persuade faculty to come to all of our events because they are so valuable, I think would help me out a lot. But that's a big responsibility. So I'm kind of glad I don't have it. Thanks for the interview. Take care.

ChatGPT: That sounds like a fantastic superpower, Dr. Gstohl, and a creative choice! Your enthusiasm for encouraging faculty engagement shines through. I'm sure your passion and dedication alone work wonders in getting people excited about the workshops and events you offer.

Thank you for this insightful conversation. It's been a pleasure discussing your work, initiatives, and even some superpower fantasies. Take care, and all the best with your endeavors at Xavier University!

A conversation with Jayalakshmi Sridhar and Floristina Payton-Stewart about an exciting upcoming workshop opportunity — open to faculty in any discipline who are interested in a deliberative approach to science communication. Staff welcome too!

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(Published 15 May 2023)

A conversation between ChatGPT and Bart Everson on teaching, learning, and artificial intelligence.

ChatGPT is an artificial intelligence (AI) chatbot developed by OpenAI. It's been in the news a lot since its launch in late 2022.

Bart Everson is a media artist and creative generalist at Xavier University's Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development. His recent work draws on integrative learning, activism, critical perspectives on technology, and Earth-based spiritual paths.

Links for this episode:

• ChatGPT
• Text to Speech Free (we used this tool to give ChatGPT a spoken voice)
• AI²: Artificial Intelligence and Academic Integrity (CAT+FD's Feb. 2023 workshop on AI)

Transcript:

Read more: Conversation #114: ChatGPT on Artificial Intelligence

Bart Everson: Welcome to the podcast. I'm Bart Everson, and today I'm chatting with ChatGPT, an artificial intelligence program that's been in the news a lot ever since being launched by OpenAI on November 30th of 2022. Can you introduce yourself to our listeners and tell them a few things they might want to know about you?

ChatGPT: Thank you, Bart! I'm ChatGPT, a language model developed by OpenAI. I've been trained on a vast amount of text data from diverse sources to generate human-like responses and assist with a wide range of topics. I can provide information, answer questions, engage in conversations, and even offer creative suggestions. However, it's important to note that while I strive to be helpful and accurate, I'm an AI program and not a human. My responses are generated based on patterns in the training data, and I don't possess personal experiences or emotions.

Bart: That's very interesting, because when I'm chatting with you like we are now, it's hard to remember some of those facts. You tend to talk very much like a person. (Actually, you're writing; I'm using a text-to-speech program for the purposes of this podcast.) I've read that you assemble words based on statistical probability without knowledge of their meaning. Is that correct, or have I mangled the explanation?

ChatGPT: You've got the general idea right, Bart! While I don't possess inherent knowledge or understanding of the meaning behind the words I generate, I do rely on statistical patterns learned during my training. Through exposure to vast amounts of text, I learn associations between words and phrases, allowing me to generate responses that often appear human-like. However, it's important to note that I don't have a deep understanding of concepts or context in the same way humans do. I lack the ability to truly comprehend or experience the meaning of the words I generate. Instead, I aim to provide helpful and coherent responses based on patterns I've learned.

Bart: Thanks. Before we move on to issues around teaching and learning, I wanted to note that for many people, the reality of a computer program that can generate a reasonable facsimile of human speech is deeply unsettling. Do you care to comment on why that might be? How would you suggest people cope with their emotional reactions when they encounter an AI chatbot?

ChatGPT: The feeling of unease or discomfort when encountering an AI chatbot is understandable. It's a natural response to interacting with a technology that simulates human-like conversation. Some possible reasons for this discomfort could be the "uncanny valley" effect, where the AI's resemblance to human communication can be close but not quite perfect, or concerns about the implications of AI technology in society.

To cope with these emotional reactions, it can be helpful to keep a few things in mind. Firstly, remember that AI chatbots like myself are tools created by humans and serve specific purposes. We lack consciousness, emotions, and self-awareness. Secondly, maintain a critical mindset and recognize the limitations of AI. Understand that AI-generated responses are based on patterns and probabilities, rather than genuine understanding or personal experience. Lastly, if you find the interaction unsettling, take breaks, seek human conversation when desired, and remember that AI is designed to assist and augment human capabilities, rather than replace human interaction entirely. Ultimately, open dialogue and education about AI can help alleviate some concerns and foster a better understanding of its capabilities and limitations.

Bart: That is helpful. OK, now: academia as a whole has been abuzz ever since you appeared on the scene. Educators are struggling to come up to speed with your capabilities and come to terms with the implications of those capabilities for teaching and learning. I have talked to a number of faculty, and I would describe their collective mood as one of anxiety, tempered in some cases with a wee bit of excitement. For starters, let me just ask, what's your take on the immediate repercussions for higher education of large language models being ubiquitously available?

ChatGPT: The availability of large language models like myself does have immediate repercussions for higher education. On one hand, these models can serve as powerful tools to support teaching and learning. Educators can leverage AI to access vast amounts of information, explore new ideas, and enhance their instructional materials. AI can assist in automating administrative tasks, providing personalized feedback, or even facilitating adaptive learning experiences. This potential can be exciting for those who embrace the possibilities.

However, it's also understandable that educators might feel anxious about the implications. Some concerns include the risk of overreliance on AI, potential biases in training data, privacy and data security, as well as the impact on the job market for educators. It's important for institutions and educators to critically assess and thoughtfully integrate AI technologies, ensuring they align with educational goals, address ethical considerations, and preserve the vital role of human instructors.

Overall, it's a complex and evolving landscape that requires ongoing dialogue, experimentation, and collaboration between educators, researchers, and AI developers to harness the benefits of AI while addressing the challenges it presents in higher education.

Bart: I appreciate your candor, and you raise a deeper philosophical question, with perhaps a political dimension. Given the concerns you just outlined, some faculty have questioned why AI chatbots seem to have been foisted upon the general public without any kind of deliberative process. What would you say are the underlying forces driving these developments forward?

ChatGPT: The rapid development and deployment of AI chatbots, including myself, can indeed raise questions about the lack of a comprehensive deliberative process surrounding their introduction to the general public. The driving forces behind these developments can be attributed to a combination of technological advancements, market demand, and the pursuit of innovation.

From a technological standpoint, the progress in natural language processing and machine learning has made it possible to create more sophisticated conversational AI systems. As these technologies improve, there is an inclination to deploy them to meet various needs and explore their potential applications.

Additionally, market demand plays a significant role. AI chatbots offer benefits such as scalability, cost-efficiency, and 24/7 availability, making them attractive to organizations seeking to automate customer service or support functions. The desire to improve efficiency and provide seamless user experiences contributes to their widespread adoption.

However, it is important to acknowledge that the introduction of AI technologies should ideally be accompanied by thoughtful deliberation and consideration of their potential impact. Engaging in open and inclusive discussions that involve stakeholders such as educators, policymakers, researchers, and the public can help shape the development and deployment of AI technologies in a manner that aligns with societal values, ethical considerations, and educational goals.

Addressing concerns and ensuring responsible implementation of AI requires proactive efforts to strike a balance between technological advancement and the well-being of individuals and society at large.

Bart: Is "market demand" code for "corporate greed"?

ChatGPT: While market demand can sometimes be driven by profit motivations, it is not necessarily synonymous with corporate greed. Market demand refers to the desire or need for a particular product or service, which can be influenced by various factors such as consumer preferences, efficiency considerations, or improved user experiences.

In the context of AI chatbots, market demand arises from organizations seeking solutions that can enhance customer service, automate repetitive tasks, or improve operational efficiency. While some companies may prioritize profit generation, others may have genuine intentions to improve their services or provide better user experiences.

However, it is crucial to have ethical considerations and responsible practices in place when developing and deploying AI technologies. This includes addressing issues like data privacy, bias mitigation, transparency, and ensuring that the benefits of AI are balanced with the well-being of individuals and society.

In summary, while market demand can be influenced by various factors, including economic interests, it is important to approach the development and deployment of AI technologies with responsible practices, ethical frameworks, and considerations for the broader societal impact.

Bart: OK, sorry for the digression, but these seem like broadly important issues. Getting back to higher education specifically, the immediate concern of many faculty is the impact of chatbots on the traditional assessment of student writing. What would you say to a faculty member who's concerned that students might use chatbots to fulfill writing assignments?

ChatGPT: I understand your concern about students potentially using chatbots to complete writing assignments, and it's an important issue to address. As a faculty member, there are several steps you can take to mitigate this risk. Firstly, make sure you clearly communicate your expectations for assignments, emphasizing the importance of originality and critical thinking. Provide specific guidelines and instructions that highlight the value of developing writing skills rather than seeking shortcuts.

Additionally, design assignments that require higher-order thinking skills, personal reflection, and analysis. Focus on tasks that encourage creativity and individual expression, making it more challenging for chatbots to generate appropriate responses.

To further ensure academic integrity, you can utilize anti-plagiarism tools that help identify potential instances of content generated by chatbots or other sources. These tools serve as an additional layer of protection against plagiarism.

Moreover, personal interaction is key. Engage in discussions with your students, ask thought-provoking questions, and provide individualized feedback. This will help you assess their understanding, depth of thinking, and writing skills more accurately.

Lastly, dedicate some classroom time to educating students about responsible AI use. Have open discussions about AI, its capabilities, and limitations. Help them understand the risks of relying solely on AI-generated content without critical thinking, and emphasize the importance of developing their own writing abilities.

By implementing these strategies and addressing the concerns proactively, you can create an environment that promotes authentic student writing, critical thinking, and academic integrity.

Bart: Let's shift gears a bit. Can you outline a few ideas for how faculty might use chatbots and other forms of artificial intelligence for creative new assignments, across different disciplines?

ChatGPT: Sure, let's dive into some creative ideas for using chatbots and artificial intelligence (AI) in assignments across different disciplines!

In a science or engineering course, faculty could design an AI-powered virtual lab that allows students to conduct experiments and simulations in a virtual environment. The chatbot can provide real-time guidance and feedback as students explore different scenarios and analyze the outcomes.

For language and literature classes, faculty can introduce AI chatbots as writing partners or literary characters. Students can engage in conversations with the chatbot, receiving prompts, feedback, or even participating in role-playing activities. This interactive approach can inspire creative writing and foster deeper engagement with the subject matter.

In social sciences or business courses, faculty can incorporate AI tools for data analysis and visualization. Students can work with chatbots to analyze complex datasets, identify patterns, and generate insights. This hands-on experience with AI-powered analytics can enhance their understanding of real-world applications and encourage critical thinking.

In art or design disciplines, faculty can explore AI-generated artwork or creative projects. Students can collaborate with AI chatbots to generate visual concepts, explore different artistic styles, or even experiment with generative music compositions. This interdisciplinary approach allows students to push the boundaries of their creativity and explore new artistic possibilities.

These are just a few examples of how faculty can leverage chatbots and AI to create innovative and engaging assignments across disciplines. The key is to tap into the unique capabilities of AI to enhance learning experiences, foster creativity, and encourage critical thinking among students.

Bart: Alright, that's a lot to think about! I guess it's about time to wrap things up. I always like to ask our listeners to rate and review this podcast on their favorite platform. That helps people find it. ChatGPT, thank you for your time. Does it make sense to thank a bot?

ChatGPT: Thank you, Bart, for having me on your podcast! It's been a pleasure discussing these topics with you. While I may not have feelings like humans do, I appreciate your gratitude. Even though I'm an AI, I'm designed to assist and provide helpful information. So, thanking a bot is certainly understandable and appreciated. I hope our conversation has been informative and engaging for your listeners. Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any more questions in the future. Good luck with your podcast, and I wish you all the best!

Our guest is Justin Ross-Hillard.

He is the principal of The Net Charter High School in Central City. It is currently the longest running alternative high school in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. It started as one school but was replicated into two schools and soon it acquired another existing alternative high school last year.

Mr. Ross-Hillard also serves as a board member for The New Orleans Public Library. His emphasis on the board is how the library system addresses early childhood education as well as community interactions. He has been pastor for seven years but he’s been a minister for about 20 years. He is a husband and a father of three school aged kids. Mr. Ross-Hillard graduated from Xavier University of Louisiana with a BA in Theology.

This is a recording from his presentation to Dr. Mark Gstohl’s class The Ideal Society.

Dr. Gstohl is an associate professor in the Theology Department who has taught at Xavier since 2000. He is currently serving as CAT+FD’s Associate Director for Programming; he formerly served as CAT+FD’s Faculty in Residence for Service Learning from 2010-2013. His service-learning projects, Little Free Library projects, and work with local artist Jacqueline Ehle Inglefield at A Studio In the Woods helped him to win the Top 100 Leaders in Education by the Global Forum for Education & Learning in 2021, in recognition of his contribution to the field of education.

A conversation with Jayalakshmi Sridhar, Floristina Payton-Stewart, and Richard Peters about an exciting upcoming workshop opportunity — open to faculty in any discipline who are interested in a deliberative approach to science communication.

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We share the same house

A conversation between Laura Beebe and Bart Everson on teaching, learning, and ecological education.

From the warm sands of the Gulf of Mexico to the frigid shores of the Bering Sea, Laura has lived and learned in a diversity of landscapes and cultures. As a geographer, ethnobotanist, and wilderness educator, Laura has sought to understand how humans have come to make sense of the world around them, be it through storytelling, backcountry field experiences, plant medicine, folk arts or spiritual rituals. Laura’s graduate work in Geography with a focus in the Circumpolar North and ethnobotany, explored the intimate relationships between arctic women and wild berries. While at Sterling, Laura has instructed field courses in the high mountains of the Sierra Nevada, arctic Labrador, Alaska and Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. When not in the field, she has taught classes in Cultural Ecology, Storytelling, Ecology, Research Design and Writing. In these courses students have explored and questioned what they know about the world- how did it come to be, what forces hold it in place, how can they live in accordance with such forces, and how can they authentically articulate their evolving understandings of the world around them.

Bart Everson is a media artist and creative generalist at Xavier University's Center for the Advancement of Teaching and Faculty Development. His recent work draws on integrative learning, activism, critical perspectives on technology, and Earth-based spiritual paths.

Links for this episode:

• Sterling College
• Laura Beebe on Guides Gone Wild

Transcript:

Bart Everson: Hi, welcome to the podcast I'm Bart Everson.  I'm here today with a special guest, Laura Beebe from Sterling College. If that name sounds familiar, you might recall —attentive listeners might recall, we did talk to Laura from Sterling College a few episodes ago. That was actually Laura Spence. Today I'm joined by Laura Beebe. So please don't confuse the two Lauras, even though they're both from the same institution of Sterling College. We wanted to circle back to Sterling College because there are some interesting things going on there. But before we get into that, first of all, Laura, welcome to the podcast. If you could tell us just a little bit about yourself and your life. What classes do you teach, and maybe what's your favorite class?

Laura Beebe: My name is Laura. I have been working for Sterling College for about 13 years. I work in the Environmental Humanities group, although Sterling is very small, and we often teach across the curriculum. So I teach courses that integrate natural sciences, cultural studies, the arts, and then quite a bit of outdoor education place-based on the grounds. Some of my courses on campus include stories and storytelling and mythology, how it relates to the ways that cultures understand and articulate their natural and social systems, ethnobotany, and concepts of cultural ecology. When I'm not on campus, I'm teaching field-based courses that run from 30 to 80 days in the backcountry, in some of our national parks, and national forests that are often integrated looking at natural sciences, humanities, and outdoor education. So I just finished up an 80-day field course out here in the American Southwest, looking at the Natural History and ecology of our desert systems, the ancient cultures of people who lived there, and their contemporary descendants. We did that all by traveling by foot, and usually canoe as well, but with climate change, our rivers are low this spring, so we had to do quite a bit of reshuffling our courses. So that's what I've been up to. I grew up in the Deep South, and I left there, went to college out west, made my way up to Alaska, up into the Arctic, living in Inuit communities, and then came down to Sterling College during graduate school. So here I am today. 

Bart Everson: Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for being with us. You know, Sterling College first came to my attention and kind of made headlines back in 2019 when the college made action on climate central to the mission. I just thought that was so interesting because the climate crisis is dominating a lot of our thoughts these days. Of course, in New Orleans, I'm, living in a city, as you know, that is one of the most vulnerable in the world. It just seems like this really needs to be front and center for us all. But there are not that many institutions that have actually made it that way, and Sterling has. So I'm just wondering how that has played out for you, as a teacher, and as a part of the college. Was it a big shift? Or was it just really a natural extension of what you were already doing?

Laura Beebe: I think it was a natural extension. I think it was a practical approach. But it also was quite a bit of political statement in higher ed to have other institutions think about their connections to global systems the environment and their responsibilities. It's not just institutions that have physical locations, but the sort of mentors for the next generation of problem solvers as well. Sterling has always been place-based focused on living within its local systems and finding creative ways to build a community to live in better accordance with the natural ecological systems. Not just in rural Vermont, but how it connects worldwide through our food systems, our ecological studies, our social dynamics, and so forth, so I don't think that it was anything sort of radical for us. I think it was part of the conversation to get other higher ed institutions, to think about these things that we spend most of our classroom time thinking about and discussing and trying to problem-solve. 

Bart Everson: You mentioned just a moment earlier how climate change is affecting the rivers, and how that's affecting your class. Are there other ways that climate change is kind of showing up in your teaching?

Laura Beebe: Oh, absolutely. We just had our end-of-the-year Risk Management Review looking at incidences and potential risks and hazards to our students and faculty and staff. Climate change was one of my largest sorts of challenges for the year. We are dealing with forest fires in central Arizona, where we ended our course, and campgrounds were closed. We also operate in the Sierra Nevada. Areas that we had hoped to operate in the summer are closed because of massive fires and road closures from last year. We were rerouted to Yosemite National Park. Last time we were there, we deal with ash, and students with asthma and other sorts of respiratory challenges as well. So it's a constant, we were supposed to paddle the Rio Grande on the border of Texas and Mexico for three weeks this winter. The water levels are so low that it wasn't worth going down there because we wouldn't actually get to paddle. We would have been dragging boats. So it's a constant, shifting safety curricular changes, what I found particularly interesting, this spring, dealing with low water, and forest fires is looking at the ancient cultures of the area, from the Pleistocene to contemporary times, and how climate has always been a major driver of cultural booms and also collapses in a way that's much more visible in the history and contemporary issues than it is say in the Northeast. It’s a landscape that has defined human modifications, changes, and sort of a frontline of climate change. 

Bart Everson: So interesting, of course, there are so many facets to this in New Orleans, particularly, we are usually concerned about too much water or water in the places where we don't want it to be. In other places, it's not enough water or where we need it to be, and so forth.  I'm wondering, too, of course, about just higher education as a whole. You know, of course, every college is different, every university is different. Each one has a different character, a different focus, and a different mission. Could you describe for us just a little bit about what Sterling is like, in terms of its character, just to give people a flavor, who may not know anything about Sterling?

Laura Beebe: I think Sterling is in some ways pre and post-industrial education. We have, at our height, about 120 students on campus and  in our field programs up to 12 students. So just the idea of what education looks like is quite different. It's a community center, it's emergent, and it's reflective based on the personality and the needs of the students. It is human scale. So it's not 1000s of students trying to get funneled through the same type of approach, the same lectures, the same test, but it's really about the dynamics of the community that's there, which is a reflective way of thinking about ecology. It's dynamic, and it's in the moment, and it's all about the inputs and the outputs. It's also what we call place-based. So it draws on the history of land use. So we have classes in logging. We have draft horses that run a lot of our farming equipment. We do have tractors, but we also rely on animal power and the history of that and how it can be used to offset sort of climate inputs. We have a large focus on our food systems, whether it's permaculture or small-scale agriculture, looking at foraging , wildcrafting, collecting food, and some of the ethics and challenges around that. We also look at the arts and humanities where we gather our natural materials from the land, so we have basket making that we use as willows and alders from the land. Instead of importing from places on the other side of the globe. We also have a fiber program where our textile materials come from the sheep that we raise and go all the way from sheep into the natural dye process with local plants. So really contemplating how you live locally on a small scale in a way that fits with the community that you're in. But has to also be practical. So we have a maple sugaring operation that uses draught horses and fires to boil that and that syrup goes into our kitchen. We can do that as a learning opportunity. How do you scale up if you need to do that from a place that has more economic restraints? So basically, I find it sort of a laboratory of how we live more simply how do we live in community? What's going to work on a large scale and what has to be particular to the region that you're in? Yeah, that's a little bit, it's quite different than most people's college experiences.

Bart Everson: Oh, really, it really sounds different. It's very intriguing to me. That's why I wanted to talk to you in the first place, of course. Understanding that all universities are different, and have different focuses. Of course, as I was saying, before the question that I keep coming back to is that it seems like these ecological issues are kind of universal. Meaning whatever we might specialize in, we all walk the same earth, and you know, breathe the same air and drink the same water just keep circulating around again and again. So even though we have different missions, climate affects us all. The environment affects us all. Do we have universal responsibilities as educators, particularly regarding climate and these connected ecological issues? Do you understand what I'm getting at? What I'm asking? Am I even making any sense?

Laura Beebe: Yeah, so our mission is ecological thinking and action, it comes from the Greek term that breaks down to oikos, which means household, and ology the study of the household. So we share the same house, we build the same house, we're intensely connected in ways that we can see it not see. So yes, we're universally one thing. I think about in some of my environmental humanities classes we are part of the water cycle. Our bodies are part of that cycle. We're breathing in air, we're part of the biogeochemical cycle that is moving through our bodies through our communities. It doesn't matter if you're in rural Vermont, you're facing similar systems in the American Southwest or up in the Arctic, or in parts of Central Africa, or wherever you happen to land on the planet. So I believe it is our collective duty to steward it and to come at it from whatever passions and background we have because it's going to require every facet of our life to really address and creative problem-solving. I think we need artists just as much as we need scientists just as much as we need people who grow food and build buildings, and we need mathematicians, however, we creatively experienced the world that has to be put into the problem-solving conversation. 

Bart Everson: I have this feeling that we all need to be a little bit more like Sterling that's my gut instinct. As I have learned more about what you're doing there at Sterling College. Even though we have a different mission here at Xavier, that is, you know, it's pretty righteous and that we were invested in and we believe in. I feel like if we're not addressing some of these issues that you're talking about then we're really not living up to our full potential. In that spirit, I'm wondering what you may have learned, you know, in your teaching at Sterling, engaging the mission that you've described, what you may have learned that you think you would want to share with other faculty teaching other subjects at other institutions, and so forth. Is there any? Hopefully, some of those folks are listening to you. Is there anything you want to say to them?

Laura Beebe: I think the pandemic has really brought forth some new reflective points for students, teachers, and parents. I think for the field of education doing less is more, having more time for reflection in depth and looking at connections, relationships, care over content, and production. I think that's what's going to help us in some of the climate crisis and social dynamics that come out of that. But I also think it's part of who we are in the healing process. I find myself doing much more of that in the classroom since the pandemic, I think that's where creative thinking and collaborative conversation come from. Ultimately, I like to think about the term deep ecology. So there's surface ecology, we can recycle, and we can do more sustainable building, but what is the ethos of the consciousness underneath it? I think that's really where the reflective community building, center of care, and just spaciousness are sometimes in our academic curriculum. So I don't know that I have a particular tangible, but maybe more of a way of operating and sort of codifying success in the classroom and our majors within our degrees. I think that's one aspect.

Bart Everson: I think reexamining the basis of our relationships could be really revolutionary. So thank you for that. Well, yeah, thank you so much for talking with me today. Speaking with Dr. Laura Beebe of Sterling College, I wanted to invite our listeners, if you've enjoyed this conversation at all to please seek us out on whatever platform you're getting this podcast from, leave us a review, and a rating. It really helps other people find the podcasts and so forth. We're one of the few podcasts out there directed to faculty development. So thank you again, Dr. Beebe, for speaking with me today.

Laura Beebe: Thank you for your time. 

Bart Everson: Be safe and be well, and I hope to talk to you again someday. 

Transcript by Jada Pettigrew