• 46 minutes 40 seconds
    Yesteryear with Beth Allison Barr - The Subtext

    Watch this full video episode on The Subtext Spotify or YouTube.

    Savannah has a new podcast, The Subtext, and today we’re delighted to share an episode with you. In this conversation, Savannah Locke invites All the Buried Women co-host, Beth Allison Barr to discuss Yesteryear and the trad wife movement. The trad wife dream might look beautiful on camera, but what if you actually have to live it? What happens when a woman who sells the fantasy of "traditional" womanhood wakes up and has to actually live it? Savannah and Beth sit down to dissect the trad wife movement, what it promises, what it erases, and what women actually lost before they had the legal right to say no.


    If you liked this episode, listen to these episodes of The Subtext next:

    America Reads the Bible

    America's Sweethearts

    Is Social Media a Calling?


    Things we mentioned in this episode:

    For All Mankind on Apple TV

    A Rome of One's Own by Emma Southon

    Yesteryear by Caro Claire Burke

    Meditations for Mortals by Oliver Burkeman

    The Five by Hallie Rubenhold


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    3 June 2026, 8:00 am
  • 57 minutes 17 seconds
    Episode 5 - She Refused to Take the Bed

    In the last episode of All the Buried Women, co-hosts Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke explore the story behind a confidential letter in the SBC’S archives that leads to a pastor’s wife named Maria. They also look at the Southern Baptist Convention's decision to expel churches that ordain women, critiquing the rhetoric of unity and biblical authority used to justify the exclusion of women from leadership roles Last, the episode draws on the lost portrait of Saint Fabiola as a symbol of women's enduring resistance, urging listeners to recognize the hidden stories of women who continue to challenge oppressive structures in the church.

    We reached out to the SBC, Paige Patterson, Darryl Gilyard, Tommy Gilmore, and the Council for National Policy for comment, and did not hear back.


    All the Buried Women is presented by The Bible for Normal People.

    Credits:

    • Hosts: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Producer: Savannah Locke
    • Writing and Editing: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Sound Editing and Music: Savannah Locke and Todd Locke
    • Introduction and Closing Song: Jaded by Savannah Locke
    • Special Thanks (in order of appearance): Leanne Friesen, CBOQ, and the many anonymous interviewees willing to share their memories of Maria
    • Partner Organization: The Bible for Normal People
    • Additional Thanks: Andy Clark, Systems Administrator within the University Libraries at Baylor University; Erin Smith, Marketing Manager at Baker Publishing Group; Jordan Corona; Dr. Taffey Hall, Director of the Southern Baptist Historical Library and Archives; Brittany Prescott, Podcast Producer for The Bible for Normal People; Adam McCullough, Archivist of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Gordon Heath, Director of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Rev. Leanne Friesen, Executive Minister of Canadian Baptists of Ontario and Quebec (CBOQ) and CBOQ executive board; and Audrey and Alex from Lawyers for Reporters.

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    10 April 2025, 4:01 am
  • 59 minutes 18 seconds
    Episode 4 - People Who Have Consensual Affairs Don't End Up With PTSD

    In Episode 4 of All the Buried Women, co-hosts Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke share the story of Christa Brown, a sexual abuse survivor and advocate. Her experience reflects the broader issue of clergy abuse, where victims are often silenced and blamed, while abusers are protected and transferred to new congregations. The episode also highlights Pooler’s research on the harmful psychological impacts of clergy sexual abuse, including PTSD rates higher than those of combat veterans, and the Southern Baptist Convention’s (SBC) ongoing failure to protect victims.

    We reached out to the SBC, Paige Patterson, Darryl Gilyard, Tommy Gilmore, and the Council for National Policy for comment, and did not hear back.


    All the Buried Women is presented by The Bible for Normal People.

    Credits:

    • Hosts: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Producer: Savannah Locke
    • Writing and Editing: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Sound Editing and Music: Savannah Locke and Todd Locke
    • Introduction and Closing Song: Jaded by Savannah Locke
    • Special Thanks (in order of appearance): Christa Brown (Get Christa’s newest book Baptistland: A Memoir of Abuse, Betrayal, and Transformation!), David Pooler, Robert Downen, Rosalie Beck, Meredith Stone, and Barry Hankins
    • Partner Organization: The Bible for Normal People
    • Additional Thanks: Andy Clark, Systems Administrator within the University Libraries at Baylor University; Erin Smith, Marketing Manager at Baker Publishing Group; Jordan Corona; Dr. Taffey Hall, Director of the Southern Baptist Historical Library and Archives; Brittany Prescott, Podcast Producer for The Bible for Normal People; Adam McCullough, Archivist of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Gordon Heath, Director of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Rev. Leanne Friesen, Executive Minister of Canadian Baptists of Ontario and Quebec (CBOQ) and CBOQ executive board; and Audrey and Alex from Lawyers for Reporters.

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    3 April 2025, 4:01 am
  • 44 minutes 52 seconds
    Episode 3 - Loopholes

    In Episode 3 of All the Buried Women, co-hosts Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke explore the "loopholes" that allowed women to serve in ministry within the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), despite the formal prohibition against female ordination. These loopholes included roles like professors, missionaries, and pastor’s wives, which allowed women to take on leadership and preaching roles in practice, even though they were not officially recognized as ordained ministers.

    We reached out to the SBC, Paige Patterson, Darryl Gilyard, Tommy Gilmore, and the Council for National Policy for comment, and did not hear back.


    All the Buried Women is presented by The Bible for Normal People.

    Credits:

    • Hosts: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Producer: Savannah Locke
    • Writing and Editing: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Sound Editing and Music: Savannah Locke and Todd Locke
    • Introduction and Closing Song: Jaded by Savannah Locke
    • Special Thanks (in order of appearance): Rosalie Beck, Steve Bezner, and Pamela Durso
    • Partner Organization: The Bible for Normal People
    • Additional Thanks: Andy Clark, Systems Administrator within the University Libraries at Baylor University; Erin Smith, Marketing Manager at Baker Publishing Group; Jordan Corona; Dr. Taffey Hall, Director of the Southern Baptist Historical Library and Archives; Brittany Prescott, Podcast Producer for The Bible for Normal People; Adam McCullough, Archivist of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Gordon Heath, Director of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Rev. Leanne Friesen, Executive Minister of Canadian Baptists of Ontario and Quebec (CBOQ) and CBOQ executive board; and Audrey and Alex from Lawyers for Reporters.

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    27 March 2025, 4:01 am
  • 1 hour 3 minutes
    Episode 2 - The Invisible Woman

    In Episode 2 of All the Buried Women, co-hosts Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke uncover the turbulent and hidden history of women in the Southern Baptist Convention. The story begins in the 1970s, an era of progress and pushback, and follows the journey of Kathy Hoppe, an ordained woman whose call to ministry intersected with a calculated takeover of the SBC. What happens when conviction collides with politics, and how do women respond when their calling is questioned? This episode reveals the invisible threads tying women’s resilience to a denomination shaped by control and conflict.

    We reached out to the SBC, Paige Patterson, Darryl Gilyard, Tommy Gilmore, and the Council for National Policy for comment, and did not hear back.

    All the Buried Women is brought to you by The Bible for Normal People.

    Credits:

    • Hosts: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Producer: Savannah Locke
    • Writing and Editing: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Sound Editing and Music: Savannah Locke and Todd Locke
    • Introduction and Closing Song: Jaded by Savannah Locke
    • Special Thanks (in order of appearance): Kathy Hoppe, Barry Hankins, and Robert Downen
    • Partner Organization: The Bible for Normal People
    • Additional Thanks: Andy Clark, Systems Administrator within the University Libraries at Baylor University; Erin Smith, Marketing Manager at Baker Publishing Group; Jordan Corona; Dr. Taffey Hall, Director of the Southern Baptist Historical Library and Archives; Brittany Prescott, Podcast Producer for The Bible for Normal People; Adam McCullough, Archivist of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Gordon Heath, Director of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Rev. Leanne Friesen, Executive Minister of Canadian Baptists of Ontario and Quebec (CBOQ) and CBOQ executive board; and Audrey and Alex from Lawyers for Reporters.

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    20 March 2025, 4:01 am
  • 57 minutes 12 seconds
    Episode 1 - George Orwell Warned Us About 1984

    In the debut episode of All the Buried Women, co-hosts Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke aim to uncover women’s stories hidden in the Southern Baptist Convention’s archives. The story begins in an unexpected place for a podcast about Southern Baptists: 4th-century Rome with Saint Fabiola. Because Fabiola challenged religious and societal norms, her story has become a safe harbor for women with similar experiences… even women in the SBC. Fast forward to 1984, where a pivotal moment in Kansas City, Missouri, changed the trajectory of women’s roles in the Southern Baptist Convention. There’s a reason Orwell warned us about 1984. Listen to Episode 1 to find out more.


    We reached out to the SBC, Paige Patterson, Darryl Gilyard, Tommy Gilmore, and the Council for National Policy for comment, and did not hear back.


    All the Buried Women is presented by The Bible for Normal People.


    Credits:

    • Hosts: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Producer: Savannah Locke
    • Writing and Editing: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Sound Editing and Music: Savannah Locke and Todd Locke
    • Introduction and Closing Song: Jaded by Savannah Locke
    • Special Thanks (in order of appearance): Jemar Tisby, Pamela Durso, Barry Hankins, and Meredith Stone
    • Partner Organization: The Bible for Normal People
    • Additional Thanks: Andy Clark, Systems Administrator within the University Libraries at Baylor University; Erin Smith, Marketing Manager at Baker Publishing Group; Jordan Corona; Dr. Taffey Hall, Director of the Southern Baptist Historical Library and Archives; Brittany Prescott, Podcast Producer for The Bible for Normal People; Adam McCullough, Archivist of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Gordon Heath, Director of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Rev. Leanne Friesen, Executive Minister of Canadian Baptists of Ontario and Quebec (CBOQ) and CBOQ executive board; and Audrey and Alex from Lawyers for Reporters.


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    13 March 2025, 4:00 am
  • 6 minutes 33 seconds
    Introducing All the Buried Women

    Savannah Locke introduces All the Buried Women, a compelling new miniseries that uncovers the hidden stories of women within the archives of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). What started as a small passion project grew into a year-and-a-half journey into the history of America’s largest Protestant denomination. Together, historian Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke are bringing to light the experiences of women silenced by their own denomination and the systemic forces that enabled their marginalization.


    Show Notes —> https://thebiblefornormalpeople.com/introducing-all-the-buried-women/


    Credits:

    • Hosts: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Producer: Savannah Locke
    • Writing and Editing: Beth Allison Barr and Savannah Locke
    • Sound Editing and Music: Savannah Locke and Todd Locke
    • Introduction and Closing Song: Jaded by Savannah Locke
    • Partner Organization: The Bible for Normal People
    • Additional Thanks: Andy Clark, Systems Administrator within the University Libraries at Baylor University; Erin Smith, Marketing Manager at Baker Publishing Group; Jordan Corona; Dr. Taffey Hall, Director of the Southern Baptist Historical Library and Archives; Brittany Prescott, Podcast Producer for The Bible for Normal People; Adam McCullough, Archivist of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Gordon Heath, Director of Canadian Baptist Archives at McMaster Divinity College; Rev. Leanne Friesen, Executive Minister of Canadian Baptists of Ontario and Quebec (CBOQ) and CBOQ executive board; and the whole team at Lawyers for Reporters.


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    6 March 2025, 5:00 am
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