In the first episode of The Trial Update Caroline and Liz have a snapshot of the evidence of Dr Ravi Jayaram as he appeared before the Thirlwall inquiry.

He said sorry, and said he wishes now he'd been stronger and braver and spoken up sooner about Lucy Letby.

He also said senior managers would not take the consultants' concerns seriously and he now reflected it had been like being in an abusive relationship.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss the evidence of the union rep who became close friends with Lucy Letby. Hayley Griffiths exchanged jokey and inappropriate texts with her about ‘tips’ on how to get away with murder and told her they would be ‘friends forever.’

They also hear evidence about Lucy Letby’s employment grievance and how rumours were flying around the hospital that a consultant made a pass at her and that she was the victim of a witch hunt.

And they bring you a statement from her parents who said they were left shocked and heartbroken by the sickening allegations made against their daughter.

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The Thirlwall Inquiry is having a week off so it's a good time for Caroline and Liz to chat to lawyer and expert Elkan Ambrahamson about what difference, if any, public inquires really make in changing things for the future.

They also have more details about Lucy Letby's latest appeal which was thrown out last week by three judges - signalling the end of the road for her, unless her lawyer can find new evidence to put before the Criminal Cases Review Commission. 

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In this episode we hear from the nursing manager who got ‘too close’ to Lucy Letby, sending her chummy messages telling her to ‘hang on in there, girl,’ after police were called in. Karen Rees said she felt ‘bullied’ by a consultant when he called her at home to demand Lucy Letby was

removed from the ward, after she murdered two triplet brothers in quick succession. He claimed to have a ‘drawer of doom’ about Lucy Letby but senior nurses believed she was being made a scapegoat for poor medical care. Mrs Rees also revealed she later begged hospital bosses to call in the police so they could get some answers. We also hear from the lead risk midwife, Annemarie Lawrence, who said relationships between the doctors and the nurses on the

neo-natal unit had broken down by the time she started work at the hospital. She also said Lucy Letby’s redeployment into the Risk and Patient Safety Department was inappropriate because it meant she could look at patient’s notes and critical reports which linked her to the babies’ deaths.

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Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

In this episode we learn more about Letby’s character and behaviour from her fellow nurses working closely with her on the neonatal unit. We are told she initially failed her final year placement as her mentor felt she lacked the requisite professionalism and empathy for a children’s nursing role. We then hear from the manager of the neonatal unit for the first time. Eirian Powell supported Lucy Letby, even when she had been moved off frontline nursing because of the doctors’ concerns. She said she couldn’t believe she had done anything wrong.

We are also given examples of some of the serious mistakes Letby made that were flagged by her colleagues and how eventually enough evidence amassed that she was involved in the collapse of multiple babies that her position on the unit became ‘untenable’.

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Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

In this episode we hear from Doctor U, the married doctor who prosecutors at Lucy Letby's trial described as her boyfriend and who she denied having an affair with. 

He tells the inquiry he didn’t suspect her of causing harm and actively encouraged her to gain more work and valuable experiences at another hospital - even after suspicions were raised and she was suspended from working with patients at the Countess of Chester. He now says he feels manipulated.

We also hear Lucy Letby’s own thoughts via an email and letter she sent to her fellow nurses and the consultants who blamed her for the babies deaths. She claims she is totally innocent and requests her colleagues be ‘sensitive’ and supportive’ of her when she returns to the neo-natal unit.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from some of the doctors who worked on the ward with Lucy Letby. They all told the inquiry the numbers of babies collapsing and dying caused staff to think the unthinkable - that a member of staff was harming babies. 

Once they did raise concerns with managers they were wrongly told a review had cleared Lucy Letby and they were ordered to write her a letter of apology. 

We also heard this week that that senior nurses told the consultants they were incorrect about their suspicions, and, months after she was removed from the ward, they invited Lucy Letby to the staff Christmas party.

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Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

In this episode we hear the testimony from 8 parents who had babies on the neonatal unit. The same themes recur again and again. We hear how the families’ search for answers fell upon deaf ears. Many describe their regret at putting their trust in the hospital and its staff. They detail the hospital’s failure to disclose information they say was crucial in preventing more babies from being harmed and how, in some circumstances, this non-disclosure amounted to lies and concealment. We also learn more about the implied relationship Lucy Letby had with a married doctor that may point to a motive for the harm she caused.

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Join Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull as they cover the latest evidence from the Thirlwall Inquiry, which is examining how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder whilst working at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

In this episode we recount the experiences of the parents of five babies who were killed or harmed by the neonatal nurse through their first-hand testimony. We hear how they came to question her actions and behaviour, and learn more about how and when, they say the hospital fell short in safeguarding the children in its care.

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In this episode we hear evidence from two mothers whose babies were murdered by Lucy Letby on the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital. 

They detail a lack of disclosure and poor communication from the hospital. They confirm the consequences of the hospital managers’ delay in contacting the police and the lack of accountability felt at the time and ever since. Their distressing and emotive testimony lays bare how responsible many of the parents feel the Countess was in allowing Letby to harm their newborns and the devastating impact this has had on their lives.

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We are now at the end of the first week of the Thirlwall Inquiry set up to establish how Lucy Letby was able to get away with murdering babies on an NHS hospital ward for so long.

Already damaging testimony has been delivered about how multiple attempts to raise the alarm went unheeded, and delays in calling in the police cost babies' lives. Why were managers slow to act? What action could or should the hospital have taken? And what urgently needs to change within our healthcare system to stop something similar ever happening again?

Join Caroline and Liz as they bring you the very latest. 

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