In this episode, former Democratic State Representative Shawn Thierry reflects on her role in advocating for Texas Senate Bill 14 (TX SB14), which raised the minimum age for gender transition procedures to 18. Despite sharing concerns about the medicalization of minors with her fellow Democratic colleagues, Shawn was warned that her seat would be at stake for going on the record with her position and voting in favor of the bill. Her steadfast commitment to integrity led her to take a stand, even though it ultimately cost her re-election. Shawn discusses the two-year research process that shaped her decision, the personal risks she faced, and the pressures she encountered from within her own party. Throughout the conversation, she highlights the importance of principled leadership, unwavering dedication to doing what is right, and standing firm in the face of political and social pressures.

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The emotional and mental toll of navigating a child’s struggles with gender dysphoria can be profound. Parents often confront feelings of helplessness, confusion, and even grief as they face the rapid progression of medical interventions or societal pressures that seem at odds with their instincts or values. This journey is undeniably challenging, but it’s crucial for parents to prioritize their own emotional well-being in order to provide the steady, loving support their children need.

Self-care is not a selfish act; it is a necessary foundation for maintaining the strength and clarity required to guide and advocate for a child in such a complex, personal struggle. Amid overwhelming challenges, it’s easy to feel isolated. However, it’s important to remember that no parent is alone. Building a network of like-minded individuals, seeking professional support, and tapping into community resources offers not only practical advice but also emotional sustenance, providing the reassurance and solidarity needed to persevere.

In this bonus episode for premium subscribers, Lydia emphasizes the need for a balance of compassion and boundaries, encouraging parents to listen attentively to their child's experiences and feelings while maintaining a clear sense of their role as guides and advocates. She highlights the importance of hope and connection and underscores the value of fostering open communication within the family.

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Sasha and Stella welcome mother and advocate, Lydia, to the show for an insightful discussion about the emotional and relational dynamics impacting boys experiencing gender dysphoria. They reflect on the critical work of ROGDBoys.org, a website dedicated to raising awareness and providing vital information about the impact of medical interventions on boys and men with gender identity confusion.

Many families face distinct challenges rooted in the intersection of social expectations, emotional needs, and emerging gender identity beliefs. Boys, unlike their female counterparts, often struggle with expressing vulnerability or gentleness, leading some to seek alternative paths to connection, such as through gender identity beliefs. For many deeply sensitive boys, adopting a female identity offers them access to intimacy and belonging, particularly within female friend groups, where tenderness and acceptance are more easily found.

In this episode, Lydia reflects on her family’s experiences around her son’s ROGD and how her own upbringing in a high-control religious environment shaped her understanding of the complex control tactics at play. She shares insights into the profile of boys drawn to gender identity beliefs, often marked by intelligence, black-and-white thinking, and an affinity for structured systems. Lydia emphasizes the dissonance between scientific reasoning and oversimplified views of gender transformation, revealing how cultural narratives amplify this confusion. She also highlights the nuanced complexities of sexuality and identity, and cautions against reducing AGP to a simplistic conclusion, framing it instead as a complex experience rooted in integration and shame. Finally, she stresses the importance of recognizing the diversity of families affected by gender dysphoria and challenges the misconception that parenting style alone dictates a child’s experiences and outcomes.

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Over the last few decades, the rapid rise of secularism, alongside the dissolution of traditional institutions, has left many feeling disconnected from deeper sources of meaning and purpose. This void has led to the emergence of new ideologies and movements that seek to provide meaning where religious traditions once did. From the rise of trans activism to the increasing influence of secular humanism, these new belief systems are born from the intellectual vacuum left behind by the decline of faith in established religious structures.

At the heart of this cultural shift lies the struggle to reconcile the material world with the deeper, intangible needs of the human soul. The material world, with its focus on immediate gratification, wealth, and success, offers little in the way of lasting fulfillment. In a society that increasingly values individualism and material success, questions of spiritual fulfillment and moral discernment often go unaddressed, contributing to a growing sense of confusion, anxiety, and fragmentation.

In a society where secular ideologies promise individual empowerment but often fail to address the complexities of human existence, faith-based frameworks may provide a meaningful path to address the deeper, non-material needs of spiritual well-being, which contemporary ideological frameworks tend to neglect. Religious practice can serve as an anchor, helping people navigate the uncertainties of modern life with greater resilience, compassion, and a deeper connection to universal truths such as justice, kindness, and community—principles that have sustained human civilization and fostered cohesion across cultures for millennia.

In this bonus episode for premium subscribers, Winston Marshall explores the transformative power of faith in overcoming personal struggles, noting a cultural revival of Christianity in intellectual circles as a response to the void left by atheism and the rise of ideologies like trans activism. He advocates for the enduring relevance of Christian principles (such as truth, resilience, and faith) along with values shared across mainstream religions emphasizing that there is something greater than the material world, especially in a society increasingly divided on social, cultural, and political issues.

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This conversation was recorded prior to the U.S. presidential election. Any references to the election or its potential outcomes reflect the perspectives and context at the time of recording.

Stella and Sasha welcome Winston Marshall, former banjoist for Mumford & Sons, to discuss the personal and professional fallout following his tweet about Andy Ngo's book Unmasked. He opens up about navigating censorship, conformity, and the immense power of social media in shaping public discourse. Winston reflects on the pressure artists face when balancing personal beliefs with industry expectations, and how political events influence cultural movements.

In this conversation, Winston shares his experience being thrust into an online firestorm and the deeply personal decision to step away from the band he cherished for over a decade. His choice emerges as an act of integrity, demonstrating the courage it takes to embrace authenticity and stand against the tide of groupthink.

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In this special episode, Sasha and Stella pass the mic to honorary guest host, journalist, author, and feminist campaigner, Helen Joyce, who interviews Marian Tompson, in connection with Joyce’s recent article about Marian in The Times, "Why I Quit the Breastfeeding Charity I Founded Over Trans Ideology".

Marian Tompson, along with six other mothers, founded the global breastfeeding support network, La Leche League, in 1956. In November 2024, Tompson resigned from both the organization and its Board of Directors, believing it had strayed from its original mission to support biological mothers in breastfeeding.

Helen’s conversation with Marian touches on the physiological intricacies of breastfeeding, the historical challenges women faced to maintain breastfeeding practices, and the broader implications of integrating transgender individuals into traditionally female-centered spaces like La Leche League. Together, they share a candid discussion exploring how biological realities, societal shifts, and ideological debates converge in today’s discourse on gender, motherhood, and breastfeeding.

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Nearing the podcast’s 200th episode just around the corner, Stella and Sasha mark the 4-year milestone of Gender: A Wider Lens! Together, they reflect on the show’s remarkable evolution and its impact on their respective journeys. With a vast catalog of episodes filled with profound insights, transformative stories, intriguing interviews, and relentless curiosity, the show has progressed alongside the ever-shifting landscape of gender and the ripple effects of the medicalization of youth.

In this episode, they share insights into both the psychological and societal shifts surrounding gender identity and reveal a BIG announcement for what listeners can expect in 2025. Looking back on the development of the podcast, they express gratitude for their listeners and the incredible community that has grown around them.

Don’t miss this exclusive preview of what’s to come from Sasha & Stella in 2025! We’d love to hear your thoughts, ideas, and feedback — your input is invaluable as we shape all that’s ahead. Share your insights by leaving a comment on Substack, YouTube, or Spotify, reach out directly via X @widerlenspod, or email [email protected].

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The relationship between homophobia and gender medicine is deeply intertwined, with historical and contemporary practices shedding light on troubling patterns. Historically, gender-nonconforming individuals were often pathologized and subjected to medical interventions under the guise of correcting deviance. Today, these practices persist, albeit under new narratives that often frame gender nonconformity as a medical issue requiring intervention, such as transitioning.

Emerging trends reveal the influence of social contagion, with cultural narratives and social media amplifying gender identity struggles among vulnerable populations, particularly youth. This surge raises critical questions about the lack of scientific rigor in therapeutic practices, the ethics of irreversible medical procedures, and the neglect of alternative psychological or social supports. These patterns reflect a broader societal discomfort with nonconformity and a tendency to medicalize identities rather than embrace diversity.

In this bonus episode for premium subscribers, Glenna Goldis argues that modern gender medicine perpetuates homophobia by medicalizing gender nonconformity, effectively pathologizing same-sex attraction in a way that parallels past efforts to suppress homosexuality. She references the 2015 APA guidelines, which shifted the framework for addressing gender dysphoria, emphasizing affirmation and, often, medical intervention, suggesting that these guidelines reframe homosexuality as something to be corrected if it appears intertwined with gender nonconformity. She advocates for a more critical examination of these practices, urging evidence-based approaches that prioritize genuine understanding and acceptance over medicalization.

To deepen your understanding of Glenna's perspective, we encourage you to explore her Substack, particularly the two pieces linked below (referenced during the conversation). Both provide valuable insight into her critique of current gender medicine practices and their broader social implications.

Why Therapists Trans Away the Gay

The Assessment Sham

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Sasha & Stella welcome seasoned attorney Glenna Goldis to the show, offering invaluable perspectives into the legal developments in gender medicine.

With extensive knowledge of gender medicine and consumer fraud, Glenna provides a comprehensive analysis of pivotal legal cases and controversies in the U.S., breaking down complex legal language into accessible insights. She brings her expertise and unique perspective on the evolution of gender medicine. She also examines consumer fraud allegations against the American Academy of Pediatrics, using her legal expertise to shed light on the broader societal and legal implications of these claims. Glenna further explores the policy proposals and political impact surrounding pediatric gender medicine, particularly focusing on statements from political leaders, including president-elect Donald Trump, and the potential effects of such policies on real-world practices and legislation.

This is a fascinating conversation, outfitting listeners with essential clarity on the legal and societal dimensions of gender-affirming care, offering both a historical overview and practical takeaways for understanding this evolving landscape.

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Stella and Sasha welcome author and podcaster, Phil Illy, to the show for a thought-provoking conversation on sexuality, identity, and self-understanding. They engage with Phil’s concept of auto-heterosexuality, explore his interpretation of "erotic target identity inversion," and examine how these theories relate to broader discussions around sexuality and identity. As the discussion evolves, Stella and Sasha offer their critiques and challenge Phil's framework, pushing for a deeper understanding of these complex concepts.

Phil Illy is the author of Autoheterosexual: Attracted to Being the Other Sex, a provocative exploration of sexuality, identity, and gender. In his book, Phil introduces the concept of auto-heterosexuality, describing an attraction to oneself as the opposite sex, and expands upon theories such as "erotic target identity inversion," originally coined by Dr. Ray Blanchard. With a focus on unconventional sexual interests and their psychological underpinnings, Phil's work challenges conventional frameworks and evokes critical examination into the complexities of desire, identity, and human behavior. In addition to his book, Phil is also the host of the Autohetero Files podcast, where he platforms personal stories and discussions that resonate with the ideas and concepts explored in his work.

In this episode, listeners can expect to hear a dynamic and often intense conversation, with Stella and Sasha asking difficult questions and exploring the psychological and relational implications of the ideas Phil presents. They dig into both the intellectual and emotional dimensions of the topics at hand. Whether you agree or disagree with the perspectives shared, this episode will leave you with plenty to consider, exploring the deeper questions surrounding identity, desire, and the psychological aspects of sexual behavior.

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The relationship between education systems, families, and communities must be one of cooperation and respect, resisting ideological control and ensuring that diverse perspectives are welcomed. In this framework, the role of government is to support, protect, and enable individuals to pursue their own paths, while maintaining the necessary checks and balances to safeguard the rights of all citizens. This ideal society fosters transparency in governance, allowing citizens to understand and influence the decisions that affect their lives. A well-balanced society encourages intergenerational dialogue, where the wisdom of previous generations informs the decisions of the present and future, and where collective well-being is nurtured through collaboration, not coercion. It is built on the foundation of individual freedom, strong family structures, and a government that serves, not controls, its people—ensuring that authority is decentralized.

In this bonus episode for premium subscribers, Eldur Smári Kristinsson emphasizes the growing urgency for individuals with differing perspectives to engage in political discourse, drawing attention to international trends in the U.K. and the U.S. He believes that timely political engagement can catalyze a societal shift, empowering citizens to challenge prevailing ideologies and reclaim their freedoms. Eldur warns, “We are being institutionalized from the day we’re born till the day we die,” stressing the importance of cross-generational relationships and highlighting how state-controlled education has led to a disconnect between parents and children. He critiques Iceland’s compulsory schooling system, advocating for the legalization of homeschooling, greater parental transparency, and a balanced mix of public and private education options to foster healthy competition. Eldur also calls for reforms that ensure parents retain the primary role in their children’s education, criticizing the lack of transparency in school curricula—particularly regarding contested sociological theories—and emphasizing the risks of indoctrination when state oversight replaces parental involvement.

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