What Came Next

Broken Cycle Media

What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture all it entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in, the cameras stop rolling, and the court of public opinion has spoken? Can sharing our stories lead to justice, and is there ever really justice? These questions and many more are discussed on the new true crime docuseries podcast brought to you by Broken Cycle Media (https://www.brokencyclemedia.com/) . What Came Next (http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast) is co-created and produced by Something Was Wrong (http://www.somethingwaswrong.com) ’s Tiffany Reese and host, award-winning writer, victim advocate and true crime survivor Amy B. Chesler (http://www.amybchesler.com) . On What Came Next (http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast) , you’ll hear firsthand accounts from those impacted, with behind the scenes insights about what came next for survivors after their stories were shared with the world, and how the media impacts crime victims and their loved ones.

  • 42 minutes 11 seconds
    106: [Karie Kroll] It's About Justice
    Content warning: sexual assault, physical violence, brutality, and murder.

    Karie Kroll is a nurse of over 30 years, a family woman, and a co-victim of murder from Iowa. She found her passion for nursing at a young age and pursued a degree in the medical field out of college. However, it was not long into her professional trajectory that her family experienced a devastating loss: the horrific 1996 murder of her sister, Amanda. In this episode, Karie describes all that came next for her family while navigating the criminal justice system throughout the last 30 years, and the drastic changes they experienced just last year. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful for Karie's candidness, advocacy, and her willingness to share her sister's memory with our audience. This episode is in loving memory of Amanda Michelle Folker.

    Sources:
    Registrant Information. (2024). In Murderer and Violent Offender Against Youth Database. https://isp.illinois.gov/MVOAY/Details/X16B2238

    For a list of non-profit organizations and related resources at http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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    17 January 2025, 8:00 am
  • 42 minutes 12 seconds
    105: [Milena Monrroy] This Changed My Life
    Content warning: gun violence, armed robbery, grand theft, and home invasion.

    Milena Monrroy is a Los Angeles-based producer and the host of the podcast Latina Life with Jen and Milena. Her life has been largely influenced by her roles as a single mother and a storyteller, but her trajectory took a drastic turn when she became a victim of a home invasion and armed robbery in January of 2022. The months following would be filled with not only immense stress, upheaval, and fear, but also a taxing legal battle to receive justice. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Milena’s vulnerability and raw accounts of all that’s came next for her over the last two years, in hopes of bringing awareness to our audience.

    Milena’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/milenaonair
    Latina Life with Jen and Milena: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-latina-life-with-jen-and-m-89358863/
    Latina Life with Jen and Milena on IG: https://www.instagram.com/latinalifepodcast

    Sources:

    Burglary Statistics. (2024, July 19). The Zebra. https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/burglary-statistics/

    Home Invasion Statics By State. (2024, April 11). Consumer Affairs. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/home-invasion-statistics-by-state.html

    For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
    10 January 2025, 8:02 am
  • 39 minutes 3 seconds
    104: [Elle Gargano] My Second Chance at Life // Part 2
    Content warning: suicidal ideation, intimate partner violence, criminal threats, domestic violence, physical, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse, and gun violence.

    As shared in part one of her story, Elle Gargano is an entrepreneur, writer, survivor, and victim advocate from Southern California. She originally began sharing her story of resilience after attending the Las Vegas Route 91 festival and surviving a gunshot wound to the head. After enduring several surgeries and physically recovering, Elle began to realize she still had more trauma to digest. After escaping an abusive, nine-year relationship that persisted throughout her entire healing journey, Elle’s path of sharing has evolved and now allows her to advocate for domestic violence victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is so very grateful for Elle’s tenacity, resilience, and willingness to share so much of what came next for her with our audience today.

    Elle’s website: https://www.ellegargano.com/
    Elle’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/ellegargano
    Elle's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ellegargano
    Brave the Label: https://bravethelabel.com/

    For a list of related non-profit organizations that can help, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong/com/resources
    3 January 2025, 8:00 am
  • 32 minutes 30 seconds
    103: [Elle Gargano] I Would Persevere // Part 1
    Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, physical, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse, gun violence and mass murder.

    Elle Gargano is an entrepreneur, writer, survivor, and victim advocate from Southern California. She originally began sharing her story of resilience after attending the Las Vegas Route 91 festival and surviving a gunshot wound to the head. After enduring several surgeries and physically recovering, Elle began to realize she still had more trauma to digest. After escaping an abusive, nine-year relationship that persisted throughout her entire healing journey, Elle’s path of sharing has evolved and now allows her to advocate for domestic violence victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is so very grateful for Elle’s tenacity, resilience, and willingness to share so much of what came next for her with our audience today. 

    Elle’s website: https://www.ellegargano.com/
    Elle’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/ellegargano
    Elle's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ellegargano
    Brave the Label: https://bravethelabel.com/

    For a list of related non-profit organizations that can help, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong/com/resources

    Thank you again to Mint Mobile for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to visit mintmobile.com/wcn to cut your wireless bill to $15 a month!

    27 December 2024, 8:00 am
  • 45 minutes 4 seconds
    102: [Kyleigh McPeek + Grace Carroll] Represent the Truth
    Content warning: domestic violence, physical violence, murder, and mass murder.

    Kyleigh McPeek  and Grace Carroll are recent graduates of Stanford University. While they were students there, they launched an honors project that took podcast form. In this special episode of What Came Next, they share about their work on the True Crime Podcast Podcast, and their goal to promote awareness about the impact of - and ethics in - the true crime podcasting industry. The Broken Cycle Media team is not only incredibly grateful for their time and energy, but also for the advocacy and awareness they're promoting through their podcast platform.

    The True Crime Podcast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-podcast-podcast/id1763286752
    The True Crime Podcast Podcast on IG: https://www.instagram.com/_podcastpodcast
    Know My Name by Chanel Miller: https://amzn.to/3VAatEO

    Sources:

    Boling, K. S. (2022). “It’s that ‘There but for the Grace of God Go I’ Piece of It”: Domestic Violence Survivors in True Crime Podcast Audiences. Mass Communication and Society, 26(6), 991–1013. https://doi.org/10.1080/15205436.2022.2061359

    For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations who can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources 
    20 December 2024, 8:00 am
  • 36 minutes 2 seconds
    101: [Jordan] You Don't Realize the Fear // Part 2
    Content warning: stalking, catfishing, fraud, narcissistic abuse, gaslighting, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and criminal threats.

     As shared in part one of her story, Jordan is a mother and survivor from Florida. She originally reached out to the Broken Cycle media team after hearing similarities between her journey and the journeys of the women from season 20 of Something Was Wrong. Jordan was compelled to share her experiences surviving catfishing,  fraud, abuse, and stalking, in order to offer awareness and community to others, as Season 20 previously did for her. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Jordan's transparency and desire to continue our mission to support other survivors.

    Internet Crime Complaint Center: https://www.ic3.gov/

    For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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    13 December 2024, 8:00 am
  • 36 minutes 53 seconds
    100: [Jordan] Something's Not Right // Part 1
    Content warning: stalking, catfishing, fraud, narcissistic abuse, gaslighting, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and criminal threats.

    Jordan is a mother and survivor from Florida. She originally reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team after hearing similarities between her journey and the journeys of the women from Season 20 of Something Was Wrong. Jordan was compelled to share her experiences surviving catfishing, fraud, abuse, and stalking in order to offer awareness and community to others, as Season 20 previously did for her. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Jordan’s transparency and desire to continue our mission to support other survivors.

    FBI Internet Crime Complaint Center - https://ic3.gov/

    For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

    Thank you again to Uncommon Goods for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to check out Uncommon Goods by visiting uncommongoods.com/wcn for 15% off!

    6 December 2024, 8:00 am
  • 41 minutes 21 seconds
    99: [Lisa Phillips] Get To The Truth
    Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, statutory rape, human trafficking, sex trafficking, and suicide.

    Lisa Phillips is a model, actress, survivor, and victim advocate who has spent much of her life all over the world. While cultivating a career in the modeling and acting industries, Lisa even found herself overseas and as a guest on Jeffrey Epstein’s private island. That specific trip would become quite traumatic for Lisa, and although she would never return to the property again, she would soon be trafficked into a vast and widespread ring that enabled mass sexual assault. However, it wouldn’t be until after navigating the legal system and sharing her story with other survivors of the same serial abuser, that Lisa truly was confronted by the depth of her trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful Lisa was willing to share all that came next for her in her healing process, and in creating her beautiful podcast community entitled From Now On.

    Lisa's Links:
    From Now On Podcast: https://www.lisaphillips.la/podcast
    Lisa Phillips' Website: https://www.lisaphillips.la/
    From Now On Podcast Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/fromnowonpod
    Lisa's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/iamlisaphillips

    For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

    Sources:
    ABC 7 Chicago. (2024, July 2). Jeffrey Epstein grand jury documents released by judge in Florida [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x8ESdS_mkU.

    CBS New York. (2019, July 6). Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJ9-tFKJaA&list=PPSV

    Cohen, L. (2023, November 9). JPMorgan’s $290 million settlement with Epstein accusers approved by US judge. Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-weigh-jpmorgans-290-million-settlement-with-epstein-accusers-2023-11-09/

    Ghislaine Maxwell Charged In Manhattan Federal Court For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors. (2020, July 2). United States Attorney’s Office. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-charged-manhattan-federal-court-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually

    Ghislaine Maxwell Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors. (2022, June 28). United States Attorney’s Office. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse

    NBC News. (2024, January 4). Newly unsealed documents reveal Jeffrey Epstein’s relationships with powerful people [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_x7tg5YO5s&t=4s

    Jeffrey Epstein Charged In Manhattan Federal Court With Sex Trafficking Of Minors. (2019, July 8). Press Release. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/jeffrey-epstein-charged-manhattan-federal-court-sex-trafficking-minors

    Judge releases 2006 PBC grand jury documents in Jeffrey Epstein criminal case. (2024, July 1). [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPV4c2Tnic&t=32s

    Over $150 Million Paid to Jeffrey Epstein Victims by His Estate Claim Executors in Latest Financial Filing. (2023, November 14). Inside Edition. https://www.insideedition.com/jeffrey-epstein-victims-payments-estate-value

    Will We Ever Know How Many Girls Jeffrey Epstein Abused? (2019, July 19). The Cut. https://www.thecut.com/2019/07/how-many-jeffrey-epstein-victims-are-there.html

    WFLA News Channel 8. (2024, July 2). New documents reveal sordid life of Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HloA3-rZnFw&list=PPSV&t=72s

    WPBF 25 News. (2024, July 1). Judge releases grand jury records in 2008 Jeffrey Epstein criminal case [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3erEsEhjLk&t=12s

    WPTV News. (2024, July 1). Breakdown of newly released Epstein grand jury testimony [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz87fmI5ks&list=PPSV
    29 November 2024, 8:00 am
  • 35 minutes 27 seconds
    98: [Anu Verma] Your Courage Defines You
    Content warning: childhood sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, rape, self-harm, suicidal ideation, attempted suicide, domestic violence, fraud, and financial, physical, emotional, mental, psychological, and narcissistic abuse.

    Anu Verma is a mother, survivor, author, speaker, and film producer from the United Kingdom. Her childhood experiences of sexual abuse, as well as several future toxic relationships she would navigate, deeply affected her trajectory.  In this very candid conversation, Anu shares much of her heartbreak and consequent healing, in order to bring awareness and allow other victims to become victors over their own story.  The Broken Cycle media team is extremely thankful Anu was willing to share so much of herself in order to allow others to feel less alone.

    Anu’s website:
    http://www.victim2victor.com/

    Anu’s book:
    https://amzn.to/3AWYqdO

    Anu’s Instagram:
    https://www.instagram.com/victim_2_victor_podcast/

    Anu’s Facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/victim2victor/

    Anu's Podcast:
    https://victim2victor.net/podcast-episodes-listen-on-apple-spotify/

    For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

    Thank you again to Mint Mobile and Uncommon Goods for sponsoring this episode. Remember, to get Mint Mobile's new customer offer and your new 3 month premium wireless plan for just $15 a month, go to MintMobile.com/WCN. And don't forget, to get 15% off your next gift, go to uncommongoods.com/WCN
    22 November 2024, 8:00 am
  • 41 minutes 26 seconds
    97: [Lori Adams-Brown] Silencing Is Spiritual Abuse
    Content warning: spiritual, religious, financial, mental, and emotional abuse.

    Lori Adams-Brown is a mother, survivor, leader, and an expert in cross-cultural business affairs. On today’s episode, Lori bravely shares her experiences working for a megachurch, and the consequent financial, verbal, psychological, mental, and spiritual abuse she faced while working for the church. The Broken Cycle Media team is in awe of Lori’s dedication to helping other survivors in the wake of all that came next for her and her family. We’re also grateful she continues to work to equip society with knowledge and awareness through her work and podcasting efforts. 

    Lori’s website: https://www.loriadamsbrown.com/

    Lori’s podcast, A World of Difference: https://www.aworldofdifferencepodcast.com/

    Lori’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lori_adamsbrown/

    Petition to Release NDA’s: https://www.change.org/p/petition-to-release-former-echo-church-employees-from-non-disclosure-agreements

    For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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    15 November 2024, 8:00 am
  • 36 minutes 35 seconds
    96: [Anthony Jensen] Into Survival Mode
    Content warning: stalking, burglary, gun violence, mass shooting, and murder. 

    Anthony Jensen is a father, actor, producer, and survivor from Idaho by way of Oregon. He moved to Los Angeles in the late 1980’s to pursue a career in entertainment, and although the years following would be filled with great success, a 1991 shooting would forever impact the way he navigated life. Anthony was the manager of a movie theater, and in the auditorium, when a film’s opening night turned violent. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful that Tony took was willing to share about his experiences that evening, as well as about all that came next in his career and within his healing process.

    Tony's Instagram:
    http://www.instagram.com/tonyjensen

    Multnomah Productions:
    https://multnomahfallsproductions.com/

    Sources:

    Man Guilty in Killing at Drive-In. (n.d.). Chicago Tribune. https://www.chicagotribune.com/1993/05/14/man-guilty-in-killing-at-a-drive-in/

    For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

    Thank you again to Uncommon Goods for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget, to get 15% off your next gift, go to uncommongoods.com/wcn
    8 November 2024, 8:00 am
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