The Next Level

The Bulwark

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. http://www.thebulwark.com

  • 28 minutes 33 seconds
    1050: Secret Podcast: Trump Is Now Deeply Unpopular

    JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss the latest—from Trump's sinking poll numbers and the Greenland spectacle to escalating ICE actions and local resistance. They also talk about new focus-group findings showing Gen Z Trump voters cooling on JD Vance (and warming to Marco Rubio), react to the White House’s use of AI imagery in political messaging, and critique Jared Kushner’s glossy “Dubai for Gaza” redevelopment pitch, with a look at how Michigan protest politics is landing now.

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    23 January 2026, 9:00 pm
  • 1 hour 46 minutes
    1049: LIVE REACTION: Sundowning Trump Stumbles Through Press Event

    Sarah, JVL and Tim discuss the low-energy, never-ending Trump event and the end of their will to live. They also go deep on how Trump’s obsession with Greenland is threatening to torch America’s relationships with its allies and completely realign the world order.

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    20 January 2026, 10:39 pm
  • 23 minutes 53 seconds
    1048: The New Rule is "Comply or Die" | Secret Podcast
    Sarah and JVL discuss the Minneapolis shooting and the growing backlash to ICE tactics, the collapse of public support for Trump across key polls, MAGA’s “comply or die” hypocrisy, a potential split between “MAGA” and “non-MAGA” Republicans, the political damage of masked federal force, and farce surrounding the Trump’s “gift” of a Nobel Peace Prize.
    17 January 2026, 12:30 am
  • 1 hour 13 minutes
    1047: JD Vance Picked the Ugliest Fight on Purpose

    Sarah, Tim and JVL discuss the ICE killing in Minneapolis and the escalation that followed, including DOJ prosecutors resigning rather than smearing the victim’s family. They also talk about JD Vance’s eagerness to defend state violence, Trump’s pressure campaign against Jerome Powell, the broader pattern of unchecked power, and why Democratic candidates like Mary Peltola fit their states while others don’t.

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    14 January 2026, 1:43 am
  • 25 minutes 47 seconds
    1046: Secret Podcast: The Government Keeps Shooting Civilians

    Sarah and JVL talk about the new video from the ICE agent as he killed Renee Good. It’s tough and they’re not sure quite where we go from here. Is the rule of law real? Or is everything might makes right?

    Also: Trump probably gets away with Venezuela, too. Good times.

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    10 January 2026, 12:00 am
  • 1 hour 10 minutes
    1045: Venezuela Exposes the Lie of America First

    Sarah, Tim and JVL discuss the legality and consequences of the Venezuela operation, the emerging split between “America First” and “Trump First,” Stephen Miller’s grotesque worldview, and why Greenland suddenly feels less hypothetical. They also debate the legacy of neoconservatism and Iraq, MAGA influencer drama, and GOP dysfunction in Congress.

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    7 January 2026, 1:44 am
  • 37 minutes 46 seconds
    1044: When Fox News Starts Saying "Trump is Bad" (and Other Wild Predictions)
    JVL, Sarah Longwell, and Tim Miller look ahead to what’s next—and it (mostly) isn't pretty. From Trump’s plans for the Fed and crypto chaos, to billionaire media consolidation, and some truly unhinged foreign policy ideas, they game out what could break, what might finally collapse Trump’s support, and why things probably have to get worse before they get better.

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    31 December 2025, 1:57 am
  • 50 minutes 58 seconds
    1043: Trump's DOJ Utterly Bungled the Latest Epstein Release
    New Epstein files have dropped, and the fallout is growing. Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and JVL discuss what’s new in the latest release, why the DOJ’s clumsy redactions and selective disclosures made things worse, and how the accumulating evidence and hypocrisy are starting to break through to voters. They also talk about Trump’s distraction tactics, JD Vance’s political viability, and why the old Trump bargain isn’t holding anymore.

    NOTE: The Justice Department in a tweet later on Tuesday, after the episode was taped, said that the alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nassar was determined by the FBI to be fake.
    24 December 2025, 1:51 am
  • 1 hour 26 minutes
    1042: Why Did Susie Wiles Do These Interviews?
    Sarah Longwell, JVL, and Tim Miller discuss the jaw-dropping Vanity Fair interviews Susie Wiles gave to Vanity Fair and what they reveal about how Trumpworld actually operates, the Epstein and Maxwell fallout, the backlash to Trump’s remarks about Rob Reiner, MAGA’s internal fractures, Elon Musk’s role in dismantling USAID, and why this moment feels different from past Trump controversies.


    Susie Wiles, JD Vance, and the “Junkyard Dogs”: The White House Chief of Staff on Trump’s Second Term (Part 1 of 2)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-susie-wiles-interview-exclusive-part-1


    Susie Wiles Talks Epstein Files, Pete Hegseth’s War Tactics, Retribution, and More (Part 2 of 2)

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-susie-wiles-interview-exclusive-part-2


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    17 December 2025, 8:00 am
  • 21 minutes 42 seconds
    1041: Fear the Reaper | The Secret Podcast
    Donald Trump isn’t just attacking the press, he’s trying to own it. JVL and Sarah Longwell discuss how Trump is using merger approvals, billionaire allies, and corporate pressure to bend major media companies to his will, from CNN and CBS to the broader tech and news ecosystem. They explain why media consolidation creates a dangerous opening for political intimidation, how this power play has nothing to do with conservatism and everything to do with control, and why independent outlets like The Bulwark matter more than ever in an era where money, media, and government are colliding.
    12 December 2025, 10:40 pm
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    1040: Republicans Can Smell Trump’s Weakness
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    10 December 2025, 12:26 am
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