The Great Simplification with Nate Hagens

Nate Hagens

  • 1 hour 53 minutes
    Zak Stein: "Values, Education, AI and the Metacrisis”

    On this episode, Nate is joined by philosopher and educator Zak Stein to discuss the current state of education and development for children during a time of converging crises and societal transformation. As the pace of life continues to accelerate - including world-shaking technological developments - our schools struggle to keep pace with changes in cultural expectations. What qualities are we encouraging in a system centered on competition and with no emphasis on creating agency or community participation? How is unfettered technology and artificial intelligence influencing youth - and what should parents, adults, and teachers be doing in response? What could the future of education look like if guided by true teacherly authority with the aim to create well-rounded, stable young humans with a sense of belonging and purpose in their communities? 

    About Zak Stein: 

    Dr. Zak Stein is a philosopher of education, as well as a Co-founder of the Center for World Philosophy and Religion. He is also the Co-founder of Civilization Research Institute, the Consilience Project, and Lectica, Inc. He is the author of dozens of published papers and two books, including Education in a Time Between Worlds. 

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    Show Notes

    00:00 - Zak Stein works + Info, Civilization Research Institute, Education in a Time Between Worlds, Center for World Philosophy and Religion, First Principles and First Values 

    03:24 - No Child Left Behind

    03:56 - Joseph Tainter + TGS episode

    03:53 - Iatrogenic 

    05:30 - Daniel Schmachtenberger (TGS Episodes), Ken Wilbur, Marc Gafney

    16:01 - Effects of screens and social media on teen mental health

    16:54 - Marshall McLuhan

    17:20 - The importance of adult boundary and limit setting for children

    18:17 - How social media affects the brain

    19:06 - The rise of ADHD in the 90s and effects on education - a timeline

    19:58 - Hypercompetitive primary education systems

    20:20 - High level of stress and cheating in primary education

    22:28 - Scandinavian school systems

    26:27 - Cold war effects on the education system

    26:35 - Sputnik

    27:25 - Tech elites don’t give their kids tech

    28:35 - Elite overproduction, Peter Turchin

    34:10 - Your Unique Self 

    37:28 - Iain McGilchrist + TGS Episode

    38:02 - Moral Relativism

    43:27 - Foundations of advertising 

    47:07 - Negatives of standardized testing

    47:22 - Donald T. Cambell - Campbell’s law

    48:57 - Nature vs Nurture Debate

    49:20 - Cooperation and competition

    52:10 - Effects of a competitive school environment

    55:02 - The effects of an above-and-beyond teacher

    55:42 - Legitimate teacherly authority

    59:55 - Importance of the environment in the first 5 years of life

    1:02:20 - John Dewey

    1:10:31 - The best way to learn is to teach

    1:11:40 - David Graeber, Bullshit Jobs

    1:15:25 - How standardized testing increased high education access

    1:16:08 - Civilian Conservation Corp, Lawrence A. Cremin

    1:17:02 - New Deal

    1:22:07 - Risks around artificial intelligence

    1:24:58 - Rise of relationships with AI

    1:28:41 - First Chatbot ELIZA

    1:30:01 - Electricity use of AI

    1:37:30 - The Future of Human Nature

    1:41:19 - Peak Oil

    1:42:29 - Mental Health Crisis

    1:46:35 - Correlation of COVID with IQ loss

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    8 May 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 18 minutes
    Pella Thiel: "Criminalizing Ecocide: The Rights of Nature”

    On this episode, Nate is joined by maverick ecologist Pella Thiel to discuss the legal frameworks behind the Ecocide and Rights of Nature Movements. Our current economic and legal systems have no mechanisms to consider nature in our decision making - much less to make systemic planetary stability a priority. Could redefining the destruction of our biosphere to be considered a crime parallel with that of genocide alter the way we structure laws governing our societies and economies? How are countries legislating and enforcing these ideas - even going so far as to act against the flow of the superorganism? Most importantly, how could top-down legal ideas such as these interact with bottom-up individual action to create powerful shifts in cultural values and motivations? 

    About Pella Thiel:

    Pella Thiel is a maverick ecologist, part-time farmer, full-time activist and teacher in ecopsychology. She is the co-founder of Swedish hubs of international networks like Swedish Transition Network and End Ecocide Sweden and a knowledge expert in the UN Harmony with Nature programme. Pella was awarded the Swedish Martin Luther King Award in 2023 and the Environmental Hero of the year 2019.

    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/JgRlgKHvKCE 

    More info, and show notes: www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/121-pella-thiel 

    1 May 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 14 minutes 33 seconds
    7 Thought Experiments for Earth Day | Frankly #62

    Recorded April 22 2024

     

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    For this Earth Day in 2024 Frankly, Nate walks through 7 thought experiments geared towards imagining scenarios and outcomes for ourselves, society, and the planet. While not rooted in reality, thinking through hypotheticals can be a valuable way to reflect on our ethics, ideals, and future decision points. From the perceived quick-fix of solar panels to magic solutions for infrastructure and governance, how might human cultural values impact outcomes for the biosphere? How do humans and the climate shape each other, and what does that mean for the less stable climate we’re headed towards? If they knew what we do today, could humans from hundreds of years ago have avoided the carbon pulse - and what opportunities do we have today, living in the future's past?

     

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    For Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/frankly-original/62-seven-thought-experiments-for-earth-day

    26 April 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 2 hours 19 minutes
    Tom Chi: "Net Positive for the Planet – from Beavers to Bionics”

    On this episode, Nate is joined by inventor and investor Tom Chi to take a broad look at the principles guiding innovation and capital - and how we might shift these to be more biophysically aligned in the future. For the past few centuries, our global industrial system has been dominated by growth-based economics without awareness of its dependence on the biosphere - or the waste that it leaves behind. What would it mean for our technology to be ecologically centered, working in service of and in synergy with complex, biodiverse life on Earth? How can we work within our current financial and governance systems to create initiatives that benefit both ecosystems and economies? More broadly, what cultural shifts could we imagine that move beyond seeing ourselves as simply dependent on ecological systems - but rather as a part of the entangled whole? 

    About Tom Chi

    Tom Chi is the founding partner of At One Ventures, which backs early-stage (Seed, Series A) companies using disruptive deep tech to upend the unit economics of established industries while dramatically reducing their planetary footprint. Previously, Tom was a founding member of Google X where he led the teams that created self-driving cars, deep learning artificial intelligence, wearable augmented reality and internet connectivity expansion.

    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/AjGOGfzAvyc 

    More info, and show notes: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/120-tom-chi 

    24 April 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 12 minutes 37 seconds
    The Strait of Hormuz and ‘the Spice’ | Frankly #61

    Recorded April 17 2024

     

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    In this week’s Frankly, Nate focuses on the importance of the Strait of Hormuz, a geographic location within a 700-mile radius of Israel called the “Black Gold Triangle” where more than half of the world’s remaining oil lies under the sand. In the midst of high-stakes geo-political events where the misery and threats from warring nations dominate discourse, we remain (mostly) energy blind to the choke points that lie at the center of these conflicts, which if disrupted could send our liquid-combustible-fuel dependent economies crashing. How could the threat of expanding regional wars - especially Iran’s potential response in the Strait of Hormuz - impact the world’s reliance on the flow of oil? Who are the people making world-altering decisions - and do they have the best interest of the future in mind? Can a heightened awareness of our global system’s dependency on fragile energy supply chains shift our focus away from escalating risks towards deconfliction and peace?   

     

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    For Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/frankly-original/61-the-strait-of-hormuz-and-the-spice

    19 April 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 11 minutes
    Luther Krueger: "Goldilocks Tech? A Solar Oven Overview"

    On this episode, Nate is joined by Solar Oven collector and educator Luther Krueger to discuss the ins and outs of solar cooking. In the western world, most of us are used to indoor, gas or electric stoves, typically powered by fossil fuels, and in a third of the world, people are still using solid fuels - wood, coal, or dung - which come with many health and environmental risks. Solar ovens are an alternative which makes use of passive solar energy at a range of temperatures and can be made from basic or reused materials. What would it take on a cultural and economic level for more people to adopt these low-tech solutions? How can solar cooker designs vary to match the needs of the individual and community in varying environmental conditions? Could we take inspiration from this example of Goldilocks Technology for other areas of our lives in a slower, lower-energy throughput future?

    About Luther Krueger

    Since 2004 Luther Krueger has been collecting unique classic and contemporary solar cookers and promoting solar cooking as the means to halt deforestation, clean unsafe drinking water in remote areas of developing countries, and reducing any community's dependence on fossil fuel. Krueger's unincorporated, volunteer-run Big Blue Sun Museum of Solar Cooking aims to preserve the history of solar cooking while promoting the practice through the video series on the Museum's youtube channel and as contributing moderator to the Solar Cookers World Network on social media and by promoting solar cooking at regional events. Krueger is a Senior Community Faculty member at Metropolitan State University where he teaches the Capstone course for the Master of Public and Nonprofit Administration degree program. Krueger retired from the Minneapolis Police Department in 2023 after twenty-eight years as a civilian community liaison and crime analyst, where he developed and launched several community policing initiatives.

    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/AaLHkRRbbT4

    More info, and show notes: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/119-luther-krueger 

    17 April 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 20 minutes 9 seconds
    The 17 Things I Am 100% Certain About | Frankly #60

    Recorded April 8 2024

     

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    In this week’s Frankly, Nate offers a list of things he is absolutely certain of… or as certain as any human can be. Each of us has grounding beliefs about the reality around us with which we shape our outlook on the world and how we’d like to interact with it. How will planetary and energetic limits interact with human society and culture in the future? Can we recognize truisms about our world without becoming closed off to ways of learning and understanding? What are the fundamental realities of the world around us - and how do they constrain our pathways for the future? 

     

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    12 April 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 1 hour 49 minutes
    Michael Every: "The Many -Isms of the Metacrisis”

    On this episode, Nate is joined by financial analyst Michael Every to discuss global macro trends in economics, politics, and social movements. By taking a wide-view lens of current events, we can better see how seemingly isolated events interconnect and what mainstream economic theories tend to miss. What do rising political tensions and dissatisfaction around the globe amidst increasing GDP tell us about the accuracy of our economic measures? How much are geopolitical conflicts and supply chain disruptions contributing to current inflationary pressures? And what can we learn from current economic models as we steer towards a new system with lower energy throughput in a multipolar world? 

    About Michael Every:

    Michael Every is Global Strategist at Rabobank Singapore analyzing major developments and key thematic trends, especially on the intersection of geopolitics, economics, and markets. He is frequently published and quoted in financial media, is a regular conference keynote speaker, and was invited to present to the 2022 G-20 on the current global crisis. Michael has lived and worked in 9 countries and been in the industry for nearly 25 years, with previous roles at Silk Road Associates, the Royal Bank of Canada, and Dun & Bradstreet. He holds a BA from Lancaster University, and a master’s degree from University College London.

    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/F_DhZaVoflA 

    More info, and show notes: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/118-michael-every 

    10 April 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 15 minutes 15 seconds
    7 Meta Questions About Our Global Metabolism | Frankly #59

    Recorded April 4 2024

     

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    Based on this week’s podcast episode with Geoffrey West, which covered how biological scaling applies to human economies, this week’s Frankly is a reflection on what this might mean for the future of our societies. Throughout history and up to today, there are scaling patterns driving our social and infrastructural metabolism - potentially shedding light on some long debated questions about the limits of our ability to design our societies. Do we as humans have the agency to create different paths towards less resource consumption, or are we trapped within a previously hidden law of nature? Will the resource and waste limitations of our biosphere force us to live differently, regardless of our choices? More hopefully, can understanding we have a metabolism change our metabolism, and steer futures away from the current default?

     

    Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qb-9CMM6Ac

     

    For Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/frankly-original/59-7-meta-questions-about-our-global-metabolism

    4 April 2024, 9:18 pm
  • 1 hour 41 minutes
    Geoffrey West: "Metabolism and the Hidden Laws of Biology”

    On this episode, physicist Geoffrey West joins Nate to discuss his decades of work on metabolic scaling laws found in nature and how they apply to humans and our economies. As we think about the past and future of societies, there are patterns that emerge independently across cultures in terms of resource use and social phenomena as the size of a city grows. Does Kleiber’s law, which describes the increasingly efficient use of energy as an animal gets larger - also apply to human cities? How have humans deviated from this rule through excess social consumption beyond a human body’s individual metabolic needs? What could we learn from these scaling laws to adjust our communities to be more aligned with the biophysical realities of energy and resource consumption? Can an understanding of social metabolism impact our social metabolism?

    About Geoffrey West

    Geoffrey West is the Shannan Distinguished Professor and former President of the Santa Fe Institute and an Associate Senior Fellow of Oxford University’s Green-Templeton College. West is a theoretical physicist whose primary interests have been in fundamental questions ranging across physics, biology and the social sciences. His work is motivated by the search for unifying principles and the “simplicity underlying complexity”. His research includes metabolism, growth, aging & death, sleep, cancer, ecosystems, innovation and the accelerating pace of life. Most recently he has been developing a science of cities and companies, including the challenge of long-term global sustainability of the anthroposphere. He is the author of the best-selling book Scale; The Universal Laws of Growth, Innovation, Sustainability, and the Pace of Life in Organisms, Cities, Economies, and Companies.

    Find out more, and show notes: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/117-geoffrey-west

    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/my9a9Ftr7ek

    3 April 2024, 12:00 pm
  • 23 minutes 45 seconds
    The Fellowship of the Ring - ‘Bend Not Break' Version | Frankly 58

    In this Frankly, Nate recasts his favorite book series, the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkien, with some speculative “archetypes” of our human world grouped by various timelines. The eventual reduction in energy and material accessibility will likely alter the archetypes that we’re familiar with today - perhaps to become something not helpful to larger society. What categories of human archetypes in the future will have the potential to best influence their communities and the Earth? What will the most powerful among us choose when it comes to protecting their (monetary, temporary) wealth vs using it towards prosocial collective responses? Finally, and most importantly what archetypes will form a new Fellowship of humans to ‘bring the ring to Mordor’ during humanity’s ‘Bend not Break’ moment? Which archetype do you resonate with? Are there others?

     

    Watch on Youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oh-zdo-l8I

     

    For Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/frankly-original/58-the-fellowship-of-the-ring-bend-not-break-version

     

    29 March 2024, 8:06 pm
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