Are you truly living in alignment with your values, or do the expectations of others shape you? How do you begin to define your own character when emotional immaturity and narcissism are at play in your relationships? In this episode, we dive deep into what it means to build a sense of character and integrity—especially for those who may have spent years putting others’ needs above their own. Through stories, reflection, and therapeutic insight, we’ll explore how a pathologically kind person can break free from people-pleasing patterns and begin to understand their true values and beliefs. 

Discover how character is not only about the values you hold but also what you’re willing to tolerate or excuse in yourself and others. We’ll unpack David Schnarch’s Four Points of Balance to guide you in building a strong, flexible sense of self, showing how true integrity is about standing steady in your own identity, even when external pressures try to sway you. Join us to learn how you can move beyond external validation, live from your core, and start showing up as your authentic self in all your relationships.

You find Riley Hope's "Not My Job" streaming information here: https://linktr.ee/rileyhopematlock

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:17 Listener Engagement and Social Media

01:13 Riley Hope's Anthem

01:38 Evander's Story Begins

02:32 The Social Club Dilemma

04:02 Sam's Concerns and Evander's Changes

06:35 Tony's Personal Reflection

11:48 Understanding Integrity and Character

17:51 Tom and Jerry: A Case Study

29:10 Navigating Relationships with Integrity

34:53 Navigating Integrity and Character in Relationships

35:18 Challenges for the Pathologically Kind Person

37:47 Understanding Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism

46:12 Pat and Chris: Real-Life Scenarios

53:31 Breaking Free: Strategies for Pat

01:01:31 Constructing the Crucible for Personal Growth

01:08:46 Final Thoughts on Integrity and Self-Discovery

Tony Overbay, LMFT explores themes of faith journeys, parental expectations, communication, differentiation, and self-discovery through an allegorical story titled 'Off the Beaten Path: Finding Love and Self in a World of Conformity.' The narrative follows a young man named Ansel, who grapples with societal expectations, familial pressures, and his journey toward self-acceptance. Through meaningful encounters and introspection, Ansel learns to embrace his individuality amidst traditional, religious, and cultural norms. This episode also highlights the importance of personal integrity the challenges of navigating faith and family systems, and encourages listeners to explore their unique talents and values. Tony invites the audience to share their stories and questions about their own faith and family journeys for future episodes.

00:00 Welcome and Introduction

01:17 “Not My Job” song by: Riley Hope

02:48 The Power of Writing and Poetry

05:26 Exploring Allegories

06:44 Off the Beaten Path: Ansul's Journey Begins

12:14 Ansul's Struggles and Self-Discovery

16:17 Meeting Maris: A New Connection

17:52 Seeking Guidance: Ansul's Dilemma

18:31 Ansul's Realization and Self-Acceptance

19:00 Building a Relationship with Maris

20:42 Themes of the Allegory: Individuality vs. Conformity

22:32 Exploring Faith and Doubt

22:53 Coming of Age and Self-Discovery

23:30 Truth, Knowledge, and Intergenerational Expectations

25:34 Curiosity, Love, and Acceptance

26:38 Personal Growth Through Discomfort

27:19 Diversity of Thought and Self-Acceptance

29:24 Navigating Difficult Journeys of Faith and Family

31:00 Encouragement for Personal Growth and Authenticity

33:02 Conclusion and Call to Action

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

Tony Overbay, LMFT, discusses the potentially harmful effects of an article titled “What Is Disarming A Narcissist? 12 Simple Ways To Do So” (https://tinyurl.com/2u8d7sjb) that oversimplifies interactions with narcissists. He distinguishes between Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the broader spectrum of emotional immaturity, emphasizing the small percentage of diagnosed cases of narcissistic personality disorder. Tony critiques the casual and inflated use of the term 'narcissist' and clarifies that real narcissism and emotional immaturity come with significant implications in relationships. He breaks down the common traits of emotional immaturity, such as anger management issues and lack of accountability, and stresses the need to understand one's emotional maturity level. Tony also passionately refutes a technique involving empathy as a means to reach narcissists, highlighting its ineffectiveness and potential harm. This episode provides invaluable insights into protecting oneself from narcissistic abuse, the importance of setting healthy boundaries, and the journey toward emotional growth.

00:00 Introduction to Narcissism and Emotional Immaturity

01:44 Understanding Emotional Immaturity

05:49 The Spectrum of Emotional Maturity

06:55 A Personal Anecdote on Emotional Maturity

11:07 Exploring Empathy and Narcissism

15:45 Critique of Simplistic Solutions for Narcissism

18:52 The Complexity of Narcissistic Relationships

22:55 Ineffective Communication Strategies with Narcissists

25:42 Understanding Narcissistic Supply

27:03 Disarming a Narcissist: Tips and Challenges

29:39 The Complexity of Empathy with Narcissists

33:57 The Path to Differentiation and Self-Care

46:54 Concluding Thoughts on Narcissism

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

Have you ever opened up to someone, only to have your vulnerability used against you? In this episode of Waking Up to Narcissism, we introduce the concept of the “attack surface”—that uncomfortable dynamic where emotionally immature or narcissistic partners turn your honesty into their weapon of control. We’ll also explore how this need for control originates from emotional immaturity, dive into the origin story of our deep-seated fear of abandonment, and discuss practical ways to develop your emotional maturity. From separating observations from judgments to the 4 Points of Balance in differentiation, this episode offers tools to help you confront unresolved personal issues in relationships with integrity and create healthier, more connected interactions.

Are you in the mental health profession and are curious about using AI (artificial intelligence) notes? Check out Berries, the notes Tony described in today's episode. Click here https://berries.icu/?code=4952 Or use code Tony50 when you sign up to get $50 off your first month of Berries revolutionary AI, HIPPA-compliant mental health notes. If you are interested in seeing an example of a note, email tony at [email protected].

00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:18 Speaking Engagements and Personal Anecdotes

03:13 The Concept of Attack Surface

11:36 Real-Life Example: Alex and Taylor

15:03 Understanding Emotional Immaturity

22:39 Control as a Defense Mechanism

26:57 Origins of Fear and Emotional Abandonment

28:02 Example Scenario: Jamie and Sam

29:09 Sam's Fear and Defensive Reactions

31:00 The Impact of Emotional Immaturity

38:21 Observations vs. Judgments

42:08 Developing Emotional Maturity

45:22 The Four Points of Balance

49:55 Confronting Personal Issues with Integrity

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

Have you ever felt like you're losing your grip on reality in a relationship? Does your partner's behavior leave you constantly second-guessing yourself? You might be experiencing gaslighting, a form of emotional manipulation that can shake the very foundations of your self-perception. In part 2 of “Gaslighting’s Greatest Hits: The Top Lies You Believed About Yourself”, we dive deep into the murky waters of gaslighting, exploring everything from unintentional mind games to deliberate, narcissistic abuse. Tony unpacks real-life examples of gaslighting in action, decodes the tactics of emotional immaturity, and sheds light on the narcissistic traits that fuel this behavior. You'll learn how to spot the signs of gaslighting, understand its impact on your psyche, and discover strategies to break free from its grip. Whether you're dealing with a 'nice guy' trapped in a cycle of silent suffering or navigating a relationship with an emotionally immature partner, this episode offers invaluable insights and practical advice. 

00:00 Introduction and Gaslighting Jokes

00:28 Welcome to Episode 120

00:36 Recap of Previous Gaslighting Episode

02:08 Introduction to Gaslighting Basics

02:31 Understanding Emotional Immaturity

05:26 Types of Gaslighting

05:45 Unaware Gaslighting

16:40 Feeling Like Something's Off

17:15 Marker

20:15 Knowing It's Wrong but Not Seriously Harmful

25:13 Gaslighting Tactics Unveiled

25:44 Emma's Story: A Case of Workplace Gaslighting

28:30 The Nice Guy Syndrome: Tom's Struggle

36:45 The Abusive Partner: Jack and Diane

38:34 Projection: A Deep Dive

42:03 Narcissistic Double Standards

45:45 Recognizing and Reclaiming Your Life

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

Do you find yourself constantly putting others' needs before your own? Have you ever wondered if being "too kind" could actually be harmful to your relationships and well-being? In today’s crossover episode - Tony Overbay, a licensed marriage and family therapist, explores the complex concept of pathological kindness in relationships. Through a listener's letter from 'Cleo,' Tony delves into the challenges faced by those who prioritize others' needs to their detriment, often rooted in childhood experiences of being the family peacemaker. Cleo's story highlights issues with her emotionally inconsistent partner, Ray, unveiling the struggles of living with someone emotionally immature or narcissistic. Tony discusses recognizing these patterns, including the role of cognitive dissonance and trauma bonding in maintaining unhealthy relationships. He explores how highly sensitive people (HSPs) may be particularly vulnerable to these dynamics. The episode emphasizes the importance of developing a stable core identity, setting boundaries, and balancing kindness with self-care. Tony also touches on the challenges of breaking free from intermittent reinforcement in relationships and recognizing and trusting one's own perceptions. He stresses the role of therapy and self-awareness in breaking free from unhealthy cycles and fostering emotionally mature relationships while also offering hope to those who recognize themselves as the emotionally immature partner and want to change.

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Promotion

01:19 Introducing Cleo's Story

03:16 Cleo's Relationship Struggles

10:38 Understanding Pathological Kindness

16:28 The Impact of Pathological Kindness

21:36 Balancing Kindness and Self-Care

25:09 Exploring Self-Reliance and Its Pitfalls

25:24 The Dual Nature of Optimism

25:40 Understanding Humility and Self-Deprecation

26:26 The Complexities of Honesty

27:09 Patience vs. Passivity

27:24 Competence and Arrogance

28:00 Cleo's Relationship with Ray

29:04 The Struggle of Highly Sensitive People

29:48 The Challenge of Leaving Toxic Relationships

33:23 The Cognitive Dissonance and Trauma Bonding

45:04 The Importance of Self-Care and Boundaries

46:03 Encouragement for Personal Growth

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

Tony Overbay, LMFT, delivers an emergency bonus episode addressing a heartfelt listener email. The episode discusses cognitive dissonance, gaslighting, emotional abuse, scapegoating, and trauma bonding often experienced in relationships with narcissists. Tony breaks down the listener's experiences, offering insight into their struggles, including emotional manipulations and prolonged emotional trauma. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing these abusive patterns, seeking help from therapists specializing in narcissistic abuse, and prioritizing self-care and self-compassion. The episode revisits key concepts like whole object relations, object constancy, and cognitive dissonance, encouraging listeners to strive for emotional intelligence and balanced relationships.

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:21 Emergency Bonus Episode Announcement

01:14 Reading and Analyzing a Listener's Email

04:25 Understanding Gaslighting and Emotional Abuse

12:08 Cognitive Dissonance in Relationships

16:57 Whole Object Relations and Object Constancy

21:10 Understanding Cognitive Dissonance

21:59 Balancing Good and Bad in Relationships

23:11 Empowerment Through Clarity

24:36 Navigating Emotional Trauma

25:49 The Narcissist's Manipulative Tactics

28:20 Therapy and Emotional Manipulation

31:21 Breaking Free from Trauma Bonds

33:58 Self-Reflection and Sanity

39:03 Seeking Help and Moving Forward

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

Have you ever felt like you were constantly walking on eggshells, desperately trying to prove your worth in a relationship, only to realize later you were never the problem to begin with? Tony dives deep into the murky waters of gaslighting and narcissism, exploring how these manipulative behaviors can distort our self-perception and cause people to go on what feels like a never-ending journey of “what’s wrong with me? (Spoiler alert - nothing, you’re human!). We'll unravel the complex web of emotional immaturity, discussing how it manifests in personal relationships and even on the political stage. Tony sheds light on the psychological phenomena that make us vulnerable to manipulation, from our brain's desire for certainty to the allure of seeing patterns where none exist. He also explores the liberating journey of self-discovery that comes with breaking free from gaslighting and how understanding these dynamics can lead to personal growth and stronger, healthier relationships. 

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:45 Announcements and Listener Engagement

01:25 Introducing the Topic: Gaslighting

01:49 Analyzing a Listener's Poem

03:21 Hypothetical Case Study: Sarah and John

06:47 Understanding Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism

09:09 Examples of Gaslighting in Relationships

14:20 The Concept of Reflected Sense of Self

24:18 Understanding Narcissistic Withdrawal

24:45 The Importance of Self-Discovery

25:14 The Cycle of External Validation

25:31 Weaponizing Love Languages

26:33 The Escalation of Manipulation

27:27 Recognizing Patterns and Self-Realization

29:44 The Impact of Gaslighting

30:50 Emotional Complexity and Healing

36:58 Narcissistic Traits and Childhood Origins

38:37 The Magic Trick of Gaslighting

40:30 The Spectrum of Narcissistic Traits

44:31 The Importance of Awareness and Critical Thinking

49:47 Conclusion and Next Steps

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

Have you ever wondered, during the 'waking up' process—whether to your own emotional immaturity or to the narcissistic traits in a partner—'What does a healthy relationship even look like?' Tony Overbay, LMFT, explores the subtle (and not-so-subtle) differences between narcissists, the emotionally immature, and those with 'nice guy syndrome.' He explains the need to understand and embrace complex emotions and introduces the MAGIC Connection, a powerful framework for understanding and cultivating healthy relationships. Whether you're navigating a problematic partnership, questioning your own behaviors, or simply curious about what makes relationships tick, this episode serves as a roadmap to healthier connections. It decodes complex personality patterns and illuminates the path to the kind of relationship you deserve. Get ready to distinguish between the unicorns and the chameleons in your life and learn what real relationship magic looks like!

00:00 A Pie in the Face: Dreams vs. Reality

01:44 The Interview Experience: Expectations vs. Reality

03:36 Welcome to Waking Up the Narcissism

05:30 Understanding Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism

09:00 Confabulation and Narcissistic Gaslighting

14:10 Navigating Relationships with Emotional Maturity

30:18 The Magic Connection: Building Healthy Relationships

31:36 Reintroducing Magic Mike

31:53 Navigating the City Together

32:15 Mike's Calm Problem Solving

33:02 Appreciating Teamwork

34:15 Understanding Nice Guy Syndrome

35:45 Emotional Immaturity vs. Narcissism

38:59 Financial Struggles in Relationships

43:43 Developing Self-Regulation Skills

50:38 Complex Emotions and Whole Object Relations

01:01:05 Final Thoughts and Reflections

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

Have you ever found yourself trapped in a toxic relationship, unable to break free despite knowing it's unhealthy? You're not alone. In this gripping episode, Tony Overbay, LMFT, unravels the psychological maze of destructive love.

Journey with Tony as he introduces the concept of the "false self" - the masks we wear to fit in. But what happens when someone never develops their own mask, instead shape-shifting to meet others' expectations? Through the captivating story of Farrah and Gil, Tony illuminates why smart, capable people get stuck in cycles of toxic love.

Dive deep into the world of emotional immaturity, narcissistic personality disorder, and the powerful grip of intermittent reinforcement and trauma bonds. Uncover the mysteries of whole object relations, object constancy, and identity diffusion - concepts that explain baffling relationship behaviors.

Whether trying to understand your relationship patterns or supporting a loved one, this episode is a must-listen. Tony offers profound insights and practical tools to break free from the clutches of toxic love and pave the way for healthier connections.

Prepare to be enlightened, challenged, and empowered. Your journey to relationship wisdom starts here!

00:00 Introduction: A True Story of Heartbreak

00:16 Farrah's Emotional Turmoil

00:33 Gil's New Relationship and Farrah's Struggle

01:18 The Urge to Reach Out

01:52 Seeking Closure and Self-Blame

02:24 A Desperate Call to Gil

03:03 Understanding Toxic Relationships

04:43 The Concept of the False Self

12:03 Emotional Immaturity and Its Impact

19:28 Narcissistic Personality Disorder vs. Emotional Immaturity

29:11 Intermittent Reinforcement: The Psychology Behind Toxic Bonds

30:03 The Obsession of Random Rewards

30:40 Intermittent Reinforcement in Abusive Relationships

31:08 The Power of Intermittent Reinforcement

32:50 Recognizing Trauma Bonds

35:34 Emotional Whiplash and Inconsistent Affection

40:26 Identity Diffusion and Emotional Immaturity

50:23 Whole Object Relations and Object Constancy

53:04 Wrapping Up: Understanding Emotional Immaturity

If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com

If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

Tony delves into the origins of people pleasers, empaths, highly sensitive individuals, and the emotionally immature, highlighting the similarities that arise from childhood abandonment and neglect. He explains that even the best parents can't always be emotionally available for their children and how various factors influence how we show up for ourselves and our relationships with partners and children. Tony explores the pivotal moments where a child might develop narcissistic-like behaviors versus becoming a people pleaser and emphasizes that with awareness, healing can begin. This healing journey not only benefits individuals but also positively impacts their children. Tony also shares listeners' stories and a poem, providing insights into how childhood experiences shape narcissistic traits and pathological kindness in adults. Join us to learn how to recognize, validate, and address your emotional needs as you embark on your path to emotional well-being and healthier relationships.

Tony references Jonice Webb Ph.D.'s article "Why Emotional Neglect Can Feel Like Abandonment" https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/childhood-emotional-neglect/202303/why-emotional-neglect-can-feel-like-abandonment and Elinor Greenberg, Ph.D.'s article "The Truth About Narcissistic Personality Disorder" https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-narcissism/201708/the-truth-about-narcissistic-personality-disorder? in this episode.

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

01:09 Listener's Poem: A Day After You

05:10 Starting Today's Topic: Emotional Neglect and Immaturity

07:25 Exploring Childhood Neglect and Narcissism

14:38 Attachment Theory and Emotional Development

20:49 Emotional Neglect and Its Long-Term Effects

24:58 Understanding Childhood Emotional Needs

25:25 The Invisible Impact of Emotional Neglect

26:43 The Importance of Emotional Validation

28:58 Teaching Emotional Education

34:13 The Consequences of Emotional Neglect

39:13 Healing from Emotional Neglect

42:20 Exploring Emotional Immaturity

46:54 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Available NOW Tony's "Magnetic Marriage Mini-Course" only $25. https://magneticmarriage.mykajabi.com/magnetic-marriage-mini-course

Find all the latest links to podcasts, courses, Tony's newsletter, and more at https://linktr.ee/virtualcouch

Subscribe to Tony's latest podcast, "Waking Up to Narcissism Q&A - Premium Podcast," on the Apple Podcast App. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-to-narcissism-q-a/id1667287384

You can learn more about Tony's pornography recovery program, The Path Back, by visiting http://pathbackrecovery.com And visit http://tonyoverbay.com and sign up to receive updates on upcoming programs and podcasts.

Tony mentioned a product that he used to take out all of the "uh's" and "um's" that, in his words, "must be created by wizards and magic!" because it's that good! To learn more about Descript, click here https://descript.com?lmref=bSWcEQ