Waking Up to Narcissism

Tony Overbay LMFT

"Waking Up to Narcissism" is a podcast hosted by Tony Overbay, LMFT, host of the award-winning Virtual Couch podcast, dedicated to helping individuals recognize and navigate narcissistic traits and tendencies in their relationships and within themselves. With a focus on emotional immaturity versus narcissism, Tony provides tools and guidance for personal growth and managing relationships with narcissistic or emotionally immature individuals, even if that individual is you!

  • 44 minutes 1 second
    Twas the Season of Emotional Strain: Merry Narcissistic Christmas and Happy Emotionally Immature New Year!

    Tony explores the complex dynamics of narcissism and emotional immaturity in a special “Holiday Edition” of the “Death By a Thousand Cuts” series. Through stories shared by listeners, Tony delves into how such behaviors can overshadow festive occasions, creating a lingering emotional toll. He also highlights the importance of awareness and growth, encouraging listeners to participate in healthier, more fulfilling holiday traditions. Featuring a unique narrative inspired by 'Twas the Night Before Christmas,' written by Claude AI, this episode sheds light on the subtleties of narcissistic manipulation and control during what are typically hoped to be seen as celebratory times.


    00:00 A Twisted Christmas Tale

    02:36 Introduction and Welcome

    02:52 Announcements and Updates

    04:19 Listener Stories: Holiday Struggles

    06:39 Story 1: Control and Manipulation

    12:12 Story 2: The Christmas Face

    16:34 Story 3: The Dream Trip Conflict

    20:35 Story 4: Missing Milestones

    27:17 Story 5: Passive Aggressive Holidays

    34:22 Story 6: Inappropriate Gifts

    36:21 Reflections and Closing Thoughts


    Find more from Tony Overbay:

    Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/virtualcouch

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@virtualcouch 

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/virtual.couch/ 

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft/

    Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-virtual-couch/id1275153998

    Website: https://www.tonyoverbay.com/ 

     

    Link Tree: https://linktr.ee/virtualcouch


    If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com


    If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

    19 December 2024, 5:16 pm
  • 47 minutes 20 seconds
    BONUS Virtual Couch - The Balancing Act: Self-Esteem vs. Self-Compassion

    Are you tired of the endless pursuit of perfection? Do you question why your self-esteem seems more tied to others' opinions than your own self-worth? In this transformative episode, Tony explores the crucial difference between self-esteem and self-compassion, drawing from Dr. Kristin Neff's groundbreaking research. Through personal experiences and scientific insights, Tony challenges our cultural obsession with self-esteem, revealing why the constant pressure to be "above average" creates an impossible and unhealthy standard for well-being.


    Learn how self-compassion offers a more sustainable path to genuine self-acceptance through its three core components: self-kindness, common humanity, and mindfulness. Tony delves into the fascinating neuroscience behind mindfulness practices, explaining how they physically rewire our brains for greater emotional regulation and self-awareness. Drawing from Viktor Frankl's profound insights as a Holocaust survivor and author of "Man's Search for Meaning," Tony illustrates how finding meaning in our struggles can transform our relationship with ourselves and others.


    This episode provides both the scientific framework and practical tools needed to develop self-compassion in daily life. Whether you struggle with perfectionism, find yourself caught in comparison traps, or simply want to develop a more stable sense of self-worth, you'll discover why self-compassion offers all the benefits of high self-esteem without its potential downsides. Join Tony as he shares actionable strategies for transforming your relationship with yourself and finding peace in the simple truth that you're not broken - you're human.


    00:00 Introduction and Personal Story

    01:46 The Therapist's Dilemma: Hope vs. Reality

    04:33 Exploring Self-Esteem and Self-Compassion

    07:01 The Impact of Comparison and External Validation

    11:02 Value-Based Goal Setting and Radical Acceptance

    13:08 Parental Support and Secure Attachment

    15:25 Listener Insights on Self-Esteem

    16:32 Embracing Self-Compassion

    23:22 Seeking Validation and Self-Compassion

    24:16 Confessions of an Ultramarathoner

    26:18 Accepting Mediocrity in Running

    29:19 The Power of Self-Compassion

    33:25 Mindfulness and Self-Kindness

    35:19 A Personal Podcasting Challenge

    39:21 Viktor Frankl's Wisdom on Meaning

    45:23 The Journey of Self-Compassion



    6 December 2024, 1:32 pm
  • 58 minutes 23 seconds
    UPDATED Death By a Thousand Cuts Ocho (8) - Healing, Growing, and Thriving Through Emotional Wounds

    Tony Overbay, LMFT, explores how seemingly minor slights and manipulations in relationships can accumulate to cause significant emotional harm. Welcome to the 8th installment of Waking Up to Narcissism’s “Death by 1,000 Cuts” series. 


    In this episode, Tony delves deep into the subtle yet severe world of emotional abuse. Whether you're dealing with a narcissistic partner, emotionally immature family members, or challenging work colleagues, this episode is full of relatable stories and practical advice to help you understand and navigate these treacherous waters. 


    Tony shares listener-submitted poems and limericks that perfectly capture the pain and frustration of enduring countless small but stinging slights. He also shares personal anecdotes and listener stories to illustrate how these seemingly minor offenses can pile up, causing significant emotional damage over time. 


    Discover invaluable strategies for maintaining your emotional health, such as self-compassion, differentiating yourself emotionally, and setting healthy boundaries. You'll also learn the importance of documenting behavior patterns and trusting your gut feelings to reclaim your reality and foster your healing journey.


    Find more from Tony Overbay:

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@virtualcouch

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/virtual.couch/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tonyoverbaylmft/

    Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-virtual-couch/id1275153998

    Website: https://www.tonyoverbay.com/ 

    Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/virtualcouch


    Stream Riley Hope's song 'Not My Job' and follow her on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/musicbyrileyhope/ 


    00:00 Deathbycuts8

    07:13 Introduction and Acknowledgements

    08:06 Listener Contributions: Poems and Limericks

    09:13 Understanding Emotional Cuts in Relationships

    09:33 Host Introduction and Podcast Overview

    11:36 The Free Throw Analogy: Preparation vs. Real Life

    16:44 Applying Relationship Skills in Real Life

    24:30 Listener Stories: Death by a Thousand Cuts

    31:21 Roommate Frustrations

    31:46 Financial Manipulation

    32:21 Co-Parenting Conflicts

    32:55 Family Event Disruptions

    33:43 Emotional Immaturity in Relationships

    42:03 Professional Sabotage

    45:00 Phone Surveillance

    47:08 Achievement Diminishment

    48:07 Weaponized Routines

    48:45 Financial Manipulation Revisited

    50:30 Co-Parenting Undermining

    51:09 Recognizing Patterns of Control

    54:16 The Importance of Self-Compassion

    3 December 2024, 2:12 pm
  • 51 minutes 31 seconds
    Your Pain, Their Power: How Narcissists Feed on Relationships

    Ever wonder why a narcissist seems to feed off your emotional pain? Do you find yourself constantly trying to prove your worth in relationships while the other person maintains the upper hand? Tony Overbay, LMFT, discusses the complexities of narcissistic relationships and emotional immaturity. Tony explores concepts like the false self, the one-up, one-down dynamic, and antagonistic attachment styles in depth. He uncovers how narcissistic traits manifest in relationships, causing deep emotional trauma and affecting whole families. Learn about the destructive patterns of predation, competition, and parasitism in narcissistic behavior from the article “Understanding the Narcissists Antagonisitic Attachment Style” by Julie Hall, creator of “The Narcissist Family Files” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-narcissist-in-your-life/202107/understanding-the-narcissists-antagonistic-attachment-style Tony shares insights on reclaiming your sense of self by recognizing these unhealthy dynamics. Special thanks to Riley Hope for her song 'Not My Job,' which serves as the show's anthem. You find Riley Hope's "Not My Job" streaming information here: https://linktr.ee/rileyhopematlock


    00:00 Introduction and Welcome

    00:43 Listener's Question on Narcissism

    01:39 Understanding Narcissistic Behavior

    04:15 Exploring Narcissistic Relationships

    05:26 Antagonistic Attachment Style

    15:23 One-Up, One-Down Dynamics

    18:56 Real-Life Examples of Narcissistic Patterns

    24:17 Introduction to Human Attachment

    24:42 Secure vs. Antagonistic Attachment

    25:55 Predatory Relationships

    29:57 Narcissistic Competition

    33:18 Parasitic Dynamics

    33:49 Coercion and Control

    40:18 The Mask of Narcissism

    42:57 The Ripple Effect of Narcissistic Abuse

    45:02 Empowerment and Healing

    47:54 Conclusion and Next Episode Preview



    21 November 2024, 1:31 pm
  • 1 hour 14 minutes
    What Do You Stand For? From People-Pleasing to Self-Discovery: A Journey of Character and Integrity

    Are you truly living in alignment with your values, or do the expectations of others shape you? How do you begin to define your own character when emotional immaturity and narcissism are at play in your relationships? In this episode, we dive deep into what it means to build a sense of character and integrity—especially for those who may have spent years putting others’ needs above their own. Through stories, reflection, and therapeutic insight, we’ll explore how a pathologically kind person can break free from people-pleasing patterns and begin to understand their true values and beliefs. 


    Discover how character is not only about the values you hold but also what you’re willing to tolerate or excuse in yourself and others. We’ll unpack David Schnarch’s Four Points of Balance to guide you in building a strong, flexible sense of self, showing how true integrity is about standing steady in your own identity, even when external pressures try to sway you. Join us to learn how you can move beyond external validation, live from your core, and start showing up as your authentic self in all your relationships.


    You find Riley Hope's "Not My Job" streaming information here: https://linktr.ee/rileyhopematlock


    00:00 Introduction and Welcome

    00:17 Listener Engagement and Social Media

    01:13 Riley Hope's Anthem

    01:38 Evander's Story Begins

    02:32 The Social Club Dilemma

    04:02 Sam's Concerns and Evander's Changes

    06:35 Tony's Personal Reflection

    11:48 Understanding Integrity and Character

    17:51 Tom and Jerry: A Case Study

    29:10 Navigating Relationships with Integrity

    34:53 Navigating Integrity and Character in Relationships

    35:18 Challenges for the Pathologically Kind Person

    37:47 Understanding Emotional Immaturity and Narcissism

    46:12 Pat and Chris: Real-Life Scenarios

    53:31 Breaking Free: Strategies for Pat

    01:01:31 Constructing the Crucible for Personal Growth

    01:08:46 Final Thoughts on Integrity and Self-Discovery



    5 November 2024, 5:28 pm
  • 35 minutes 7 seconds
    Navigating Societal Expectations, Faith Crisis and Personal Growth - the Allegory “Off the Beaten Path”

    Tony Overbay, LMFT explores themes of faith journeys, parental expectations, communication, differentiation, and self-discovery through an allegorical story titled 'Off the Beaten Path: Finding Love and Self in a World of Conformity.' The narrative follows a young man named Ansel, who grapples with societal expectations, familial pressures, and his journey toward self-acceptance. Through meaningful encounters and introspection, Ansel learns to embrace his individuality amidst traditional, religious, and cultural norms. This episode also highlights the importance of personal integrity the challenges of navigating faith and family systems, and encourages listeners to explore their unique talents and values. Tony invites the audience to share their stories and questions about their own faith and family journeys for future episodes.


    00:00 Welcome and Introduction

    01:17 “Not My Job” song by: Riley Hope

    02:48 The Power of Writing and Poetry

    05:26 Exploring Allegories

    06:44 Off the Beaten Path: Ansul's Journey Begins

    12:14 Ansul's Struggles and Self-Discovery

    16:17 Meeting Maris: A New Connection

    17:52 Seeking Guidance: Ansul's Dilemma

    18:31 Ansul's Realization and Self-Acceptance

    19:00 Building a Relationship with Maris

    20:42 Themes of the Allegory: Individuality vs. Conformity

    22:32 Exploring Faith and Doubt

    22:53 Coming of Age and Self-Discovery

    23:30 Truth, Knowledge, and Intergenerational Expectations

    25:34 Curiosity, Love, and Acceptance

    26:38 Personal Growth Through Discomfort

    27:19 Diversity of Thought and Self-Acceptance

    29:24 Navigating Difficult Journeys of Faith and Family

    31:00 Encouragement for Personal Growth and Authenticity

    33:02 Conclusion and Call to Action


    If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com


    If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

    23 October 2024, 12:16 pm
  • 49 minutes 5 seconds
    When Advice Goes Wrong: The Impact of Inaccurate Guidance in Narcissistic Relationship

    Tony Overbay, LMFT, discusses the potentially harmful effects of an article titled “What Is Disarming A Narcissist? 12 Simple Ways To Do So” (https://tinyurl.com/2u8d7sjb) that oversimplifies interactions with narcissists. He distinguishes between Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the broader spectrum of emotional immaturity, emphasizing the small percentage of diagnosed cases of narcissistic personality disorder. Tony critiques the casual and inflated use of the term 'narcissist' and clarifies that real narcissism and emotional immaturity come with significant implications in relationships. He breaks down the common traits of emotional immaturity, such as anger management issues and lack of accountability, and stresses the need to understand one's emotional maturity level. Tony also passionately refutes a technique involving empathy as a means to reach narcissists, highlighting its ineffectiveness and potential harm. This episode provides invaluable insights into protecting oneself from narcissistic abuse, the importance of setting healthy boundaries, and the journey toward emotional growth.


    00:00 Introduction to Narcissism and Emotional Immaturity

    01:44 Understanding Emotional Immaturity

    05:49 The Spectrum of Emotional Maturity

    06:55 A Personal Anecdote on Emotional Maturity

    11:07 Exploring Empathy and Narcissism

    15:45 Critique of Simplistic Solutions for Narcissism

    18:52 The Complexity of Narcissistic Relationships

    22:55 Ineffective Communication Strategies with Narcissists

    25:42 Understanding Narcissistic Supply

    27:03 Disarming a Narcissist: Tips and Challenges

    29:39 The Complexity of Empathy with Narcissists

    33:57 The Path to Differentiation and Self-Care

    46:54 Concluding Thoughts on Narcissism


    If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com


    If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

    14 October 2024, 1:48 pm
  • 52 minutes 55 seconds
    Understanding the "Attack Surface" in Narcissistic /Emotionally Immature Relationships (When Vulnerability Goes Bad!)

    Have you ever opened up to someone, only to have your vulnerability used against you? In this episode of Waking Up to Narcissism, we introduce the concept of the “attack surface”—that uncomfortable dynamic where emotionally immature or narcissistic partners turn your honesty into their weapon of control. We’ll also explore how this need for control originates from emotional immaturity, dive into the origin story of our deep-seated fear of abandonment, and discuss practical ways to develop your emotional maturity. From separating observations from judgments to the 4 Points of Balance in differentiation, this episode offers tools to help you confront unresolved personal issues in relationships with integrity and create healthier, more connected interactions.


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    00:00 Introduction and Welcome

    00:18 Speaking Engagements and Personal Anecdotes

    03:13 The Concept of Attack Surface

    11:36 Real-Life Example: Alex and Taylor

    15:03 Understanding Emotional Immaturity

    22:39 Control as a Defense Mechanism

    26:57 Origins of Fear and Emotional Abandonment

    28:02 Example Scenario: Jamie and Sam

    29:09 Sam's Fear and Defensive Reactions

    31:00 The Impact of Emotional Immaturity

    38:21 Observations vs. Judgments

    42:08 Developing Emotional Maturity

    45:22 The Four Points of Balance

    49:55 Confronting Personal Issues with Integrity


    If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP://www.tonyoverbay.com


    If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, HTTP:www.tonyoverbay.com

    1 October 2024, 7:44 pm
  • 49 minutes 28 seconds
    How Much Gaslighting Does a Gaslighter Gaslight if a Gaslighter Doesn’t Know They Gaslight? - Part 2

    Have you ever felt like you're losing your grip on reality in a relationship? Does your partner's behavior leave you constantly second-guessing yourself? You might be experiencing gaslighting, a form of emotional manipulation that can shake the very foundations of your self-perception. In part 2 of “Gaslighting’s Greatest Hits: The Top Lies You Believed About Yourself”, we dive deep into the murky waters of gaslighting, exploring everything from unintentional mind games to deliberate, narcissistic abuse. Tony unpacks real-life examples of gaslighting in action, decodes the tactics of emotional immaturity, and sheds light on the narcissistic traits that fuel this behavior. You'll learn how to spot the signs of gaslighting, understand its impact on your psyche, and discover strategies to break free from its grip. Whether you're dealing with a 'nice guy' trapped in a cycle of silent suffering or navigating a relationship with an emotionally immature partner, this episode offers invaluable insights and practical advice. 


    00:00 Introduction and Gaslighting Jokes

    00:28 Welcome to Episode 120

    00:36 Recap of Previous Gaslighting Episode

    02:08 Introduction to Gaslighting Basics

    02:31 Understanding Emotional Immaturity

    05:26 Types of Gaslighting

    05:45 Unaware Gaslighting

    16:40 Feeling Like Something's Off

    17:15 Marker

    20:15 Knowing It's Wrong but Not Seriously Harmful

    25:13 Gaslighting Tactics Unveiled

    25:44 Emma's Story: A Case of Workplace Gaslighting

    28:30 The Nice Guy Syndrome: Tom's Struggle

    36:45 The Abusive Partner: Jack and Diane

    38:34 Projection: A Deep Dive

    42:03 Narcissistic Double Standards

    45:45 Recognizing and Reclaiming Your Life


    If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com


    If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com


    21 September 2024, 8:00 am
  • 49 minutes 15 seconds
    Pathological Kindness: When Caring, Trying, and Empathizing Too Much Can Be Bad For Your Health

    Do you find yourself constantly putting others' needs before your own? Have you ever wondered if being "too kind" could actually be harmful to your relationships and well-being? In today’s crossover episode - Tony Overbay, a licensed marriage and family therapist, explores the complex concept of pathological kindness in relationships. Through a listener's letter from 'Cleo,' Tony delves into the challenges faced by those who prioritize others' needs to their detriment, often rooted in childhood experiences of being the family peacemaker. Cleo's story highlights issues with her emotionally inconsistent partner, Ray, unveiling the struggles of living with someone emotionally immature or narcissistic. Tony discusses recognizing these patterns, including the role of cognitive dissonance and trauma bonding in maintaining unhealthy relationships. He explores how highly sensitive people (HSPs) may be particularly vulnerable to these dynamics. The episode emphasizes the importance of developing a stable core identity, setting boundaries, and balancing kindness with self-care. Tony also touches on the challenges of breaking free from intermittent reinforcement in relationships and recognizing and trusting one's own perceptions. He stresses the role of therapy and self-awareness in breaking free from unhealthy cycles and fostering emotionally mature relationships while also offering hope to those who recognize themselves as the emotionally immature partner and want to change.


    00:00 Introduction and Podcast Promotion

    01:19 Introducing Cleo's Story

    03:16 Cleo's Relationship Struggles

    10:38 Understanding Pathological Kindness

    16:28 The Impact of Pathological Kindness

    21:36 Balancing Kindness and Self-Care

    25:09 Exploring Self-Reliance and Its Pitfalls

    25:24 The Dual Nature of Optimism

    25:40 Understanding Humility and Self-Deprecation

    26:26 The Complexities of Honesty

    27:09 Patience vs. Passivity

    27:24 Competence and Arrogance

    28:00 Cleo's Relationship with Ray

    29:04 The Struggle of Highly Sensitive People

    29:48 The Challenge of Leaving Toxic Relationships

    33:23 The Cognitive Dissonance and Trauma Bonding

    45:04 The Importance of Self-Care and Boundaries

    46:03 Encouragement for Personal Growth


    If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com


    If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

    11 September 2024, 12:57 pm
  • 41 minutes 30 seconds
    Emotional Survival Tips: Responding to Crisis in Narcissistic Relationships

    Tony Overbay, LMFT, delivers an emergency bonus episode addressing a heartfelt listener email. The episode discusses cognitive dissonance, gaslighting, emotional abuse, scapegoating, and trauma bonding often experienced in relationships with narcissists. Tony breaks down the listener's experiences, offering insight into their struggles, including emotional manipulations and prolonged emotional trauma. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing these abusive patterns, seeking help from therapists specializing in narcissistic abuse, and prioritizing self-care and self-compassion. The episode revisits key concepts like whole object relations, object constancy, and cognitive dissonance, encouraging listeners to strive for emotional intelligence and balanced relationships.


    00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

    00:21 Emergency Bonus Episode Announcement

    01:14 Reading and Analyzing a Listener's Email

    04:25 Understanding Gaslighting and Emotional Abuse

    12:08 Cognitive Dissonance in Relationships

    16:57 Whole Object Relations and Object Constancy

    21:10 Understanding Cognitive Dissonance

    21:59 Balancing Good and Bad in Relationships

    23:11 Empowerment Through Clarity

    24:36 Navigating Emotional Trauma

    25:49 The Narcissist's Manipulative Tactics

    28:20 Therapy and Emotional Manipulation

    31:21 Breaking Free from Trauma Bonds

    33:58 Self-Reflection and Sanity

    39:03 Seeking Help and Moving Forward


    If you are interested in joining Tony's private Facebook group for women in narcissistic or emotionally immature relationships of any type, please reach out to him at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com


    If you are a man interested in joining Tony's "Emotional Architects" group to learn how to better navigate your relationship with a narcissistic or emotionally immature partner or learn how to become more emotionally mature yourself, please reach out to Tony at [email protected] or through the form on the website, https://www.tonyoverbay.com

    3 September 2024, 2:33 pm
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