A Jewish Currents Podcast
Since October 2023, Palestine solidarity activists have faced a climate of McCarthyist repression, and all signs point to the incoming Trump administration escalating that campaign to silence the anti-genocide movement. Trump’s cabinet appointees and supporters have embraced plans to revoke visas of pro-Palestine student organizers, sue colleges to ensure they crack down on protesters, subject anti-Zionist students to FBI questioning, and more—all in the name of fighting antisemitism.
In this episode, associate editor Mari Cohen and senior reporter Alex Kane join Emma Saltzberg, US strategic campaigns director for Diaspora Alliance, and Dylan Saba, a staff attorney at Palestine Legal and a contributing writer at Jewish Currents, to discuss the possible shape of the Trump repression regime. We discuss the use of civil rights law to quash student protest, the Heritage Foundation’s unnerving “Project Esther” blueprint for suppressing the Palestine solidarity movement, and Congressional attempts to attack the nonprofit status of anti-Zionist groups. We also analyze the multiple right-wing approaches at play—including the distinct but sometimes overlapping “anti-discrimination” and “anti-terrorism” paradigms—and consider possibilities for mobilizing a broader liberal-left coalition to oppose these strategies.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).”
Texts Mentioned and Further Resources:
“Trump DOJ civil rights pick blasted campus protests, opposed Antisemitism Awareness Act,” Marc Rod, Jewish Insider
“The Biden-Harris administration has failed to combat campus antisemitism,” Jonathan Pidluzny, America First Policy Institute
“Trump attorney general pick Pam Bondi: 5 things Jews should know,” Lauren Markoe, Forward
“The civil rights law shutting down pro-Palestine speech,” Alex Kane, Jewish Currents
“Linda McMahon meets with Senators, addresses approach to fighting antisemitism,” Emily Jacobs, Jewish Insider
“Project Esther,” The Heritage Foundation
“Evangelical Christians are politicizing the Jewish story of Esther,” Jane Eisner, The Washington Post
“Congressional Republicans launch 'fishing expedition' against progressive, Jewish, and Palestinian nonprofits,” Matthew Petti, Reason
“Virginia judge denies pro-Palestinian group’s bid to limit attorney general’s demand for documents,” Dean Mirshahi, WRIC ABC 8News
A Real Pain is a film starring Jesse Eisenberg and Kieran Kulkin as two American Jewish cousins who take a trip to Poland to visit the childhood home of their grandmother. In this episode of On the Nose, editor-in-chief Arielle Angel, contributing editor Maia Ipp, and author Menachem Kaiser—all of whom are grandchildren of Holocaust survivors—dissect the movie’s depiction of millennial neuroses, its relationship to other Holocaust films, and its grappling with the question of how to make meaning out of inherited memory.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).”
Texts Mentioned and Further Resources:
“Selling the Holocaust,” Arielle Angel, Menachem Kaiser, and Maia Ipp, Jewish Currents
“(Re)Writing Remembrance,” Arielle Angel and Maia Ipp, Jewish Currents
Plunder: A Memoir of Family Property and Nazi Treasure, Menachem Kaiser
“If I were a Zionist, I'd be Z: How Generations of Jews have Abandoned their Children to Face the Reckoning Alone,” Natasha Gill, Substack
On this episode of On the Nose—recorded at an online event on October 30th—editor-in-chief Arielle Angel speaks with author Naomi Klein and writer and clinical psychologist Hala Alyan about the place of feelings and affect in the movement for Palestinian liberation. They discuss the role of grief and rage, how movements can accommodate affective diversity, and what it means to channel emotions politically.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).
Texts Mentioned and Further Resources:
“How Israel has made trauma a weapon of war,” Naomi Klein, The Guardian
The Generation of Postmemory: Writing and Visual Culture After the Holocaust by Marianne Hirsch
Prosthetic Memory: The Transformation of American Remembrance in the Age of Mass Culture by Alison Landsberg
“‘Chronic traumatic stress disorder’: the Palestinian psychiatrist challenging western definitions of trauma,” Bethan McKernan, The Guardian
“Can the Palestinian Mourn?,” Abdaljawad Omar, Rusted Radishes
“‘Resistance Through a Realist Lens,’” Arielle Angel in conversation with Abdaljawad Omar, Jewish Currents
“Mourning and Melancholia,” Sigmund Freud
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein
“One Year,” Palestinian Youth Movement, The New Inquiry (originally published in The New York War Crimes)
Recognizing the Stranger: On Palestine and Narrative by Isabella Hammad
“A Surge in American Jewish Left Organizing,” On the Nose, Jewish Currents
“Gaza and the Coming Age of the ‘Warrior,’” Ghassan Hage, Allegra
“One Year,” Arielle Angel, Jewish Currents newsletter
The Secret Life of Saeed: The Pessoptimist by Emile Habibi
“Theses on the Philosophy of History,” Walter Benjamin
Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World by Naomi Klein
“Naomi Klein on Israel’s ‘Doppelganger Politics,’” On the Nose, Jewish Currents
“Unpacking the Campus Antisemitism Narrative,” On the Nose, Jewish Currents
“The Power of Changing Your Mind,” Hala Alyan, Time
On this special episode of On the Nose—recorded live on November 4th at McNally Jackson Books in Manhattan—Jewish Currents senior reporter Alex Kane hosts a discussion about foreign policy and the 2024 presidential election. Historian Stephen Wertheim, Arab American Institute executive director Maya Berry, and national security reporter Spencer Ackerman discuss Donald Trump’s and Kamala Harris’s foreign policy visions, regional war in the Middle East, and the bipartisan consensus on upholding US empire.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).
Further Reading:
“Some Muslim Americans moving to Jill Stein in potential blow to Kamala Harris,” Andrea Shalal, Reuters
“New Poll Finds Arab American Voters Evenly Divided in the 2024 Presidential Election,” Arab American Institute
Reign of Terror: How the 9/11 Era Destabilized America and Produced Trump by Spencer Ackerman
“How Kamala Harris Should Put America First — for Real,” Stephen Werheim, The New York Times
“America’s Foreign Policy Inertia,” Stephen Wertheim and Christopher S. Chivvis, Foreign Affairs
In 2003, a group of Indian Americans deeply involved in India's Hindu supremacist, or Hindutva, movement established the Hindu American Foundation (HAF), an organization explicitly modeled on the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Just as the ADL has long insisted that fighting American antisemitism requires bolstering support for Israel, the HAF committed itself to lobbying for Hindutva in the name of protecting Hindu Americans’ civil rights, an approach that helped the group's rightwing politics find a foothold in liberal, anti-racist circles. The HAF is not the only organization that has drawn inspiration from the ADL. In 2021, the Asian American Foundation (TAAF) was formed in direct partnership with the ADL as a way to address growing anti-Asian racism. While lacking connection to a single ethnonationalist movement, TAAF nevertheless drew on the ADL’s and HAF’s approaches in positioning anti-Asian racism as a unique problem requiring carceral solutions instead of solidaristic organizing. As such, TAAF debuted with ADL head Jonathan Greenblatt as the only non-Asian person on its board, and Hindu nationalist Sonal Shah as its founding president.
The HAF and TAAF’s use of the ADL model has thus far helped them achieve support and legitimacy. However, as the ADL itself faces an unprecedented crisis of legitimacy in the wake of October 7th, affiliation with it now risks becoming a liability. For instance, following members’ criticism over its ties to an increasingly repressive Greenblatt, TAAF removed him from his board this July (while still affirming its “strategic relationship” with the ADL). As dissent continues to grow in Asian and South Asian American communities—with reporters and activists questioning ties of anti-racist groups in the US to injustices abroad—it is not just ties to the ADL but the power of the ADL model of antiracism that stands to come into question. To discuss these developments, Jewish Currents news editor Aparna Gopalan spoke to associate editor Mari Cohen, New Yorker contributing writer E. Tammy Kim, and Savera coalition activist Prachi Patankar about the similarities and differences between the ADL, the HAF, and TAAF; their embrace of a “hate crimes” approach to anti-racism and what it leaves out; their ties to supremacist movements; and their shifting fortunes in the wake of the pressures over the past year.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).
Texts Mentioned and Further Reading:
“How the ADL’s Israel Advocacy Undermines Its Civil Rights Work,” Alex Kane and Jacob Hutt, Jewish Currents
“ADL Staffers Dissented After CEO Compared Palestinian Rights Groups to Right-Wing Extremists, Leaked Audio Reveals,” Alex Kane and Mari Cohen, Jewish Currents
“HAF Way to Supremacy: How the Hindu American Foundation Rebrands Bigotry As Minority Rights,” Savera Coalition
“The Hindu Nationalists Using the Pro-Israel Playbook,” Aparna Gopalan, Jewish Currents
“The ADL of Asian America,” E. Tammy Kim, The New Yorker
“The Asian American Foundation’s ADL partnership is a betrayal to Asian American communities,” Sharmin Hossain, Mondoweiss
Ta-Nehisi Coates, one of the most celebrated American political writers of our time, devotes much of his new book, The Message, to a withering and deeply personal critique of Israel’s oppression of Palestinians. On this bonus episode of On the Nose—a recording of an online event for Jewish Currents members, co-sponsored by the Beinart Notebook and the Foundation for Middle East Peace—editor-at-large Peter Beinart speaks with Coates about his time in Israel and the West Bank, the silencing of Palestinians in American media, and what it means when nationalism’s victims become its adherents.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).
Texts Mentioned and Further Reading:
The Message by Ta-Nehisi Coates
“Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence,” Martin Luther King, Jr.
Our American Israel by Amy Kaplan
The Riot Report, directed by Michelle Ferrari
“The Case for Reparations,” Ta-Nehisi Coates, The Atlantic
“One Year of War in the Middle East,” Pod Save the World
The Yellow Wind by David Grossman
“Obama on his criticism of Israeli settlements: ‘I’m basically a liberal Jew,’” Avery Anopol, The Hill
“US media talks a lot about Palestinians—just without Palestinians,” Maha Nassar, +972 Magazine
Ta-Nehisi Coates interview on CBS
Black Panther graphic novels by Ta-Nehisi Coates
“Ta-Nehisi Coates: I Was Told Palestine Was Complicated. Visiting Revealed a Simple, Brutal Truth,” Democracy Now!
On this episode of On the Nose—recorded live at Jewish Currents’s daylong event on September 15th—editor-in-chief Arielle Angel speaks with a panel of authors, scholars, and activists about the movement for Palestinian freedom in the wake of Israel’s genocide. Noura Erakat, Fadi Quran, Dana El Kurd, Amjad Iraqi, and Ahmed Moor discuss the challenge of Palestinian unity under Israel’s program of fragmentation, the resurgence of the two-state solution and decline of the coexistence paradigm, American Jews’ role in organizing their communities against Zionism, and the task of imagining a liberated future.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).
Texts Mentioned and Further Reading:
Polarized and Demobilized: Legacies of Authoritarianism in Palestine by Dana El Kurd
Justice for Some: Law and the Question of Palestine by Noura Erakat
After Zionism: One State for Israel and Palestine, edited by Anthony Loewenstein and Ahmed Moor
Hamas Contained: The Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance by Tareq Baconi
Polling by Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research
“Zionism Killed the Jewish-Muslim World,” Ariella Aïsha Azoulay, Jacobin
Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions
1968 Palestinian National Charter
“How Durham, North Carolina, became the first US city to ban police exchanges with Israel,” Zaina Alsous and Sammy Hanf, Scalawag
For this live taping of the literary podcast Between the Covers—recorded at Jewish Currents’s daylong event on September 15th and presented in partnership with On the Nose—host David Naimon convened a conversation with renowned writers Dionne Brand and Adania Shibli about contesting colonial narratives. Rooted in their long-standing literary practice and in the demands of this moment of genocide, they discuss the vexed meanings of home, how to recover the everydayness of life erased by empire, and what it means to imagine togetherness beyond the nation-state.
This episode was produced by David Naimon, with music by Alicia Jo Rabins. Thanks also to Jesse Brenneman for additional editing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).
Texts Mentioned and Additional Resources:
Minor Detail by Adania Shibli
A Map to the Door of No Return: Notes to Belonging by Dionne Brand
Civil Service by Claire Schwartz
The Blue Clerk by Dionne Brand
Adania Shibli in conversation with Hisham Matar at the 2024 Hay Festival
“Writing Against Tyranny and Toward Liberation,” Dionne Brand
“Dionne Brand: Nomenclature — New and Collected Poems,” Between the Covers
“Adania Shibli: Minor Detail,” Between the Covers
“prologue for now - Gaza,” Dionne Brand, Jewish Currents
“Duty,” Daniel Mendelsohn, New York Review of Books
“A Lesson in Arabic Grammar by Toni Morrison,” Adania Shibli, Jewish Currents
Inventory by Dionne Brand
Recognizing the Stranger: On Palestine and Narrative by Isabella Hammad
“Isabella Hammad: Recognizing the Stranger: On Palestine and Narrative,” Between the Covers
Freud and the Non-European by Edward Said
“The Horseman and the Lake of Constance,” Gustav Schwab
In this live taping of Jacobin’s podcast The Dig—recorded at Jewish Currents’s recent daylong event and presented in partnership with On the Nose—host Daniel Denvir convened a conversation with scholars Aslı Bâli and Aziz Rana on the past and present of left internationalism. Placing the current eruption of solidarity with Palestine in the context of the rise and fall of Third Worldism, they discuss the history and legacy of that project, the lasting structures of neocolonialism, and the challenge of contesting empire from the heart of empire.
This episode was produced by Alex Lewis and Jackson Roach, with music by Jeffrey Brodsky. Thanks also to Jesse Brenneman for additional editing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).
Texts Mentioned and Further Reading:
“Left Internationalism in the Heart of Empire,” Aziz Rana, Dissent
“Reviving the Language of Empire,” Aziz Rana in conversation with Nora Caplan-Bricker, Jewish Currents
“The Disastrous Relationship Among Israel, Palestinians and the U.N.,” Aslı Bâli on The Ezra Klein Show, The New York Times
Neo-Colonialism, the Last Stage of Imperialism by Kwame Nkrumah
“What We Did: How the Jewish Communist Left Failed the Palestinian Cause,” Dorothy M. Zellner, Jewish Currents
Empire As a Way of Life by William Appleman Williams
Discourse on Colonialism by Aimé Césaire
“From Minneapolis to Jerusalem,” Hannah Black, Jewish Currents
“Charging Israel with Genocide,” On the Nose, Jewish Currents
Recently, far-right figures like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson have hitched their anti-Israel politics to blatant antisemitism, platforming Holocaust denial and using decontextualized passages from religious texts like the Talmud to argue for the fundamental immorality of Judaism; in some cases their rhetoric has migrated beyond the right-wing echo chamber. Meanwhile, following a cheeky tweet by conspiracy-minded Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal that attributed the congressional losses of Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush to the “Zionist occupied government,” or “ZOG,” debates raged online about the supposed accuracy or usefulness of the term, which has clear origins in the neo-Nazi movement. In this episode of On the Nose, editor-in-chief Arielle Angel interviews Shane Burley and Ben Lorber, authors of the new book Safety Through Solidarity: A Radical Guide to Fighting Antisemitism, about these trends and how we confront them. They examine the real difficulties of talking about antisemitism—and assessing actual risk—in an alarmist environment where antisemitism is frequently weaponized against Palestinians and their allies, and discuss what it means to build principled movements rooted in mutual self-interest and collective liberation.
Thanks to Jesse Brenneman for producing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).”
Texts Mentioned and Further Reading:
Safety Through Solidarity: A Radical Guide to Fighting Antisemitism by Shane Burley and Ben Lorber
“The Right’s Anti-Israel Insurgents,” Ben Lorber, Jewish Currents
“Examining the ADL’s Antisemitism Audit,” Shane Burley and Jonah ben Avraham, Jewish Currents
The Necessity of Exile: Essays from a Distance by Shaul Magid
Zioness event about campus antisemitism
“Jewish settlers stole my house. It’s not my fault they’re Jewish,” Mohammed El Kurd, Mondoweiss
Rafael Shimunov’s thread about talking about antisemitism on the left
“What Comes Next for the Palestinian Youth Movement,” Mohammed Nabulsi, Hammer & Hope
Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World by Naomi Klein
Study on the correlation between antisemitism and Israeli violence against Palestinians
"Are neo-Nazi terms really the only way to criticize U.S. support for Israel?," Mira Fox, The Forward
"Efforts to sell 'Anglo neighborhoods in Israel' at LA synagogue erupt in protests," Lois Beckett, The Guardian
“At Hunter’s ‘Israelism’ screening, the rabbi was rude, not the audience,” The Forward
“Brooklyn bookstore parts ways with worker who canceled event over pro-Israel rabbi as moderator,” Beth Harpaz and Louis Keene, The Forward
“Do American Jews Really Know What 'Zionist' Means?,” Mira Sucharov, Haaretz
On July 31st, Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas’s top political leader, was killed in Iran. Haniyeh came to the capital city of Tehran for the presidential inauguration; an explosive device went off in the guest house where he was staying. Just hours before, Haniyeh had met with Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Israel hasn’t taken responsibility for the attack, but they’re widely believed to be responsible—especially given their history of targeted political assassinations. Indeed, Haniyeh’s killing followed Israel assassination of Hezbollah commander Fuad Shukr in Lebanon one day earlier.
Haniyeh was killed in the middle of ceasefire negotiations between Hamas and Israel. With the death toll in Gaza nearing 40,000, and the family members of Israeli hostages desperately calling for a prisoner exchange, the pressure to come to an agreement has been mounting. But Haniyeh was a chief negotiator in those talks, and now, the chances of arriving at a deal seem further than ever.
Meanwhile, Iran has vowed to retaliate against Israel for the attack on their soil. As of Thursday, August 8th, that hasn’t happened yet, but many now fear that tensions could lead to a wider regional war.
In this collaboration between Unsettled Podcast and On the Nose, Unsettled producer Ilana Levinson interviews Tareq Baconi, author of Hamas Contained: The Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance, to make sense of these developments and what Haniyeh’s assassination means for the future of the region.
This episode was produced by Ilana Levinson with Emily Bell. Music in this episode from Blue Dot Sessions. Thanks to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).”
Further Reading:
“Hamas Contained: The Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance,” Tareq Baconi
“Hamas: Gaza (Ep 3),” Unsettled Podcast
“Tareq Baconi: ‘There’s no going back,’” Unsettled Podcast
“Regional War: An Explainer,” Alex Kane and Jonathan Shamir, Jewish Currents
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