Ian speaks with Susan Lacy and Jessica Levin, directors of HBO's new Billy Joel documentary And So It Goes, about telling the story of the Piano Man, Billy's relationships with critics and women, Susan's experience making No Direction Home with Bob Dylan and Martin Scorsese, and more.

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The Jokermen discuss the other Beach Boys solo debut from 1981, which may or may not be worse than "Looking Back With Love." Plus: Sun Sip Root Beer.

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Evan is joined once again by John Tottenham to discuss The Fall—this time their 1980 album Grotesque (After The Gramme)—as well as John’s debut novel SERVICE, out now from Semiotext(e).

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The Jokermen remark further on the passing of Brian Wilson before looking back with love on Mike Love's first three solo efforts (only one of which was actually released). Plus: a combo Club Kokomo/Root Beer Report.

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Ian speaks to Meg Remy of U.S. Girls about opting out of online, working with the great Charlie McCoy, making a "Nashville record," failing to see Patti Smith, and her excellent new album Scratch It.

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On the occasion their fifth anniversary, the Jokermen reflect on the growth of the podcast, the meaning of Jokermen Mindset, and half a decade of Good Music.

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