Andy and Pavel break down another huge week in the UAP conversation, beginning with part two of Robert Bigelow’s new series with George Knapp.

Why has Bigelow returned to the spotlight now, and what is he ultimately building towards? The discussion gets into his claims around consciousness and survival after death, the connection between consciousness and the UFO phenomenon, private aerospace contractors, amnesty and what Bigelow appears to believe disclosure should actually look like.

Then, David Grusch sits down with Dr. Phil and makes some of his strongest public claims yet: 25–100 recovered non-human craft, living occupants reportedly detained, apparent telepathic communication, something “too large to move,” retrieved bodies and imagery he says he has personally seen.

Grusch also hints that a significant part of the phenomenon may not be extraterrestrial at all, raising possibilities including ultraterrestrials, shadow biomes and intelligence originating beneath the oceans.

Plus, Dylan Borland makes a direct public appeal to President Trump to declassify UAP evidence, as pressure continues to build around what the administration does next.

All that and much more in this latest Monday show.

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Three huge conversations. One special compilation.

This episode brings together some of the standout moments from my recent interviews with Danny Sheehan, Chris Ramsay and Richard Dolan, covering some of the biggest questions facing the UFO topic right now.

From disclosure, secrecy and what may be happening behind the scenes, to the behaviour of the phenomenon itself, possible patterns in UFO activity, USOs, 2027 and where all of this could be heading.

Whether you heard the original interviews or missed them first time around, this is a collection of some of the most fascinating moments from three of the biggest shows on the podcast.

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Inspector Roy Teague is a serving UK police officer, researcher and author of Close Encounters of the Police Kind, a collection of UFO and unexplained encounters reported by British police officers.

Roy joins me to discuss what he learned from speaking with hundreds of serving and former officers, why so many witnesses stayed silent for years, how police training can affect the way unusual incidents are observed and reported, and the continuing stigma surrounding the UFO subject in the UK.

We also get into some of the cases that stood out during his research, including an extraordinary RAF radar incident from 1993, sightings involving police helicopters, how an unusual report would actually be handled by police today, and why Britain remains so reluctant to engage publicly with the UAP issue.

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Andy and Pavel break down Ross Coulthart’s extraordinary new reporting on Skywatcher and what may have happened after the public-facing project went quiet.

Ross claims individuals and techniques connected to Skywatcher have effectively been taken “in-house”, with a covert US government operation at White Sands allegedly using the same Dog Whistle technology and psionic methods to summon, detect and even attempt to bring down UAP. He further claims the operation was personally authorised by President Trump and designed to circumvent the alleged Legacy Program.

We get into the El Paso shutdown, White Sands, the alleged use of directed-energy weapons, questions over civilian aircraft, Garry Nolan’s involvement, whether Ross’s sources can be trusted, and the uncomfortable ethics of deliberately summoning something only to shoot at it.

Plus, TIME Magazine asks why America is finally taking extraterrestrials seriously, as the UFO subject continues its move into mainstream scientific and political discussion.

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Andy joins the Doomer Friday crew for a huge discussion after another packed week in UAP news.

We break down Dylan Borland’s extensive interview with Jesse Michaels, including whistleblower retaliation, restitution, disclosure and the extraordinary suggestion that humans may not ultimately be the ones in control.

Robert Bigelow is also back, speaking with George Knapp about recovered craft, legacy programs, blanket immunity for gatekeepers and the advice he gave President Trump on potentially acknowledging a non-human intelligence presence.

Plus, the fifth official UAP file drop has arrived. We look at what was released, the lack of meaningful contributions from some agencies, the new material on black triangles and why this may be the most disappointing tranche yet.

Are we actually moving closer to disclosure, simple confirmation, or something far more controlled?

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Constitutional attorney Danny Sheehan returns for one of our most direct and grounded conversations yet.

Danny reveals what he says was a previously unknown role played by David Grusch in reviewing challenges to the security clearances of Lue Elizondo and Chris Mellon following their involvement with The New York Times.

He also accuses former AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick of ignoring named sources during Danny’s testimony, claiming Kirkpatrick would stop taking notes whenever specific individuals were identified, before later telling Congress that AARO had received no actionable details.

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Lue Elizondo’s alleged knowledge of UAP activity off Baja and Guadalupe Island, the proposed UAP governance board, whether Elizondo or Grusch should accept a role within it, the presidential NDA waiver, whistleblower protections, amnesty for alleged gatekeepers and the federal racketeering complaint Danny says he has been asked to help prepare.

Danny also faces direct questions about evidence, credibility, claims he has rejected and what could ultimately change his own understanding of the phenomenon.

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Andy joins Pavel for a deep dive into an increasingly divided UFO disclosure movement. They examine the new UAP NDA waiver, Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland’s warnings about AARO, ODNI and PURSUE, and whether whistleblowers are genuinely protected or being directed back into the same system they distrust.

They also unpack Lue Elizondo’s response to UAP Gerb, Ross Coulthart’s role in the growing controversy, the competing camps forming around disclosure and the mounting pressure on David Grusch to deliver on his 60-to-90-day timeline. Is this necessary scrutiny, deliberate division or a movement beginning to turn on itself?

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Area 52 creator Chris Ramsay joins Andy for a wide-ranging conversation about how a magician and puzzle creator with seven million subscribers became one of the most distinctive voices in UFO media. Chris explains why he remains low-conviction on most claims, how remote viewing and his experiences connected to the Monroe Institute changed his outlook, and why he believes the current disclosure debate may be distracting people from the real work.

Chris also discusses the alleged mobile underwater construction unit, the UFO cases and witnesses he finds most convincing, and why official confirmation may never satisfy the UFO community. Later, he recounts his private conversation with Bob Lazar and explains why Lazar’s reaction raised his conviction, offers a more cautious assessment of Travis Walton, and describes a waking out-of-body experience he believes was distinct from a lucid dream.

A thoughtful, funny and surprisingly personal conversation about belief, evidence, consciousness, disclosure and why the mystery may matter as much as the answer.

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Andy is joined by Jonathan Caplan KC, one of the UK’s leading criminal barristers and the author of Not for Disclosure: UFOs, The World’s Best-Kept Secret.

Drawing on five decades of interest in the subject, Jonathan explains why he believes the UFO phenomenon is real, why governments have kept it hidden and why, in his view, the evidence could meet the criminal standard of proof beyond reasonable doubt.

The conversation covers the alleged 1994 craft landing in Russia, Britain’s historic relationship with the United States on UFO matters, Five Eyes, Majestic 12, Rendlesham Forest, private defence contractors, intimidation of insiders and the limits of the current disclosure process. Jonathan also explains why he believes the phenomenon may involve several different forms of non-human intelligence, rather than a single extraterrestrial source.

A wide-ranging discussion about evidence, secrecy, national security and what governments may still be withholding from the public.

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Andy is joined by Pavel from the Psychoactivo Podcast to take stock of a UFO topic caught between apparent political progress, persistent secrecy and growing frustration.

Three years after David Grusch’s historic congressional testimony about recovered craft and non-human biologics, has disclosure meaningfully moved forward, or are we still treading water?

They examine Eric Burlison’s latest comments on whistleblowers and the UAP Disclosure Act, what the announcement about waiving UAP-related NDAs actually changes, and why permission to speak is not the same as genuine legal protection.

Also discussed: former CIA officer James Erdman III’s warning about disinformation, counterintelligence and grift within the UFO subject; Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp’s role in the current disclosure effort; the frustration surrounding promised evidence and unreleased material; and reported comments from Lue Elizondo involving Knapp.

Plus, listener questions on managed transparency, Donald Trump’s interest in disclosure, the Nazca mummies, media sensationalism and whether the UFO community’s biggest problem is now secrecy, personalities or the continued lack of undeniable evidence.

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Author, explorer and researcher Brad Olsen joins Andy to investigate the enduring mysteries surrounding Antarctica.

Brad recounts his own journey to the frozen continent before exploring the extraordinary claims connected to Admiral Richard E. Byrd, Operation Highjump, alleged German bases, ancient maps, pyramid-shaped mountains and the Antarctic Treaty.

The conversation also examines reports of unusual radio signals emerging from beneath the ice, theories about hidden civilisations and Hollow Earth, and Brad’s belief that Antarctica may hold one of the most important secrets in the wider UFO disclosure story.

Where does documented history end, where does speculation begin, and what could still be hidden beneath the ice?

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Admiral Byrd and his disputed diary
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