Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss

Noah Evslin and Dan Rutstein

Behind the glitz and glamor, Hollywood can be brutal. For every success, there are many more rejections and failures. Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss explores that world and each week a new guest will talk about dealing with rejection, failure and adversity in the entertainment industry. Writer Noah Evslin and podcaster Dan Rutstein ask the questions.

  • 48 minutes 29 seconds
    Take 141 - Arika Lisanne Mittman, Writer, Showrunner, Timeless, La Brea, The Irrational

    We talk to The Irrational Showrunner Arika Lisanne Mittman.
    She talks about her ten years as an assistant, finally getting her break and what she learned along the way.
    We discuss the rise and fall of network television, what the industry learned from the strike and whether she's any good at firing people (she's not!).

    Arika talks about her strengths and weaknesses as a showrunner, gives advice to those wanting to join the industry and the times she nearly got fired as a script co-ordinator.

    A detailed and entertaining journey through every facet of TV writing from an inspiring leader with a lot of episodes under her belt.

    27 March 2025, 2:00 pm
  • 47 minutes 17 seconds
    Take 140 - Showrunner Joe Wilson, The Equalizer

    We talk to Equalizer showrunner Joe Wilson.

    In one of our most candid episodes so far, he talks about his journey from East Cleveland to Hollywood, the tough days at the start and even sleeping in his car.

    He explains how he got his break, how he is treated when he goes home and what sort of showrunner he aspires to be.

    We talk cool Hollywood moments, his strengths and weaknesses and the show about bands he aspires to make.

    A gritty episode that explores all the areas Hollywood doesn’t normally talk about.

    20 March 2025, 9:00 pm
  • 52 minutes 45 seconds
    Take 139 - Co-Creators Tim Walsh and Elliot Wolf, On Call

    It's always fun we have two guests on, particularly when they are talking about Wolf Productions first go at a streaming platform.

    We talk to showrunner Tim Walsh and co-creator Elliot Wolf about their new show On Call, making the most of the freedom of a streamer, whether the police in Long Beach still like them and how hard the industry is right now.

    Elliot talks about the Wolf legacy, trying new approaches to the industry and his pride in the new show.

    Tim is brutally honest about his time as a security guard, why he also assumes every show will be his last and gives great advice for those entering the industry today.

    A great insight into the new TV world which gets as honest as you'll hear it.

    13 March 2025, 5:00 pm
  • 47 minutes 24 seconds
    Take 138 - Showrunner, Writer Sally Bradford Mckenna, Will & Grace, Laid

    We talk to Sally Bradford Mckenna, co-showrunner of the new Peacock show Laid.

    She explains how she first got her break, reluctantly, on Will & Grace, how her father's career helped shaped hers and why every show needs two showrunners.

    She talks about the evolution of comedy writing, difficult rooms early in her career and being brought in to solve problems on shows, and how that didn't always go down well.

    Sally talks about the excitement of co-showrunning, why she wants to try it solo and how much she has learner from her partner Nahnatchka Khan.

    A fascinating episode exploring comedy, showrunning and the intricacies of making it in Hollywood.

    6 March 2025, 4:00 pm
  • 42 minutes 38 seconds
    Take 137 - Showrunner JJ Bailey, The Hunting Party

    We talk to showrunner JJ Bailey.

    He talks about his new show The Hunting Party, finding a new angle for a procedural and the excitement of getting a new network show on air.

    We hear about the complexity of the showrunner role, learning a way round a writers room and whether you should write about your hobbies.

    Great insight from a man who seems too nice to be successful in Hollywood.

    27 February 2025, 2:00 pm
  • 47 minutes 17 seconds
    Take 136 - Writer Matthew Aldrich, Coco, Cleaner

    We're back after our New Year and fire break and have a great oe, Coco and Cleaner writer Matthew Aldrich.

    He talks about the power of spec scripts, why he never celebrates his wins and the pressure and intensity of working with Pixar.
    He tells about sourcing ideas from news articles, how prior success has meant nothing for future success and the state of Hollywood today.

    We also cover not living in LA, alternative pastry chef careers and why he feels so fortunate.

    A great first episode of the year from a man with some amazing films under his belt. 

    20 February 2025, 4:00 pm
  • 44 minutes 41 seconds
    Take 135 - Executive and Producer Sue Naegle, Day of the Jackal, Game of Thrones

    We talk to former HBO President and now producer Sue Naegle.
    A fascinating insight from the top of Hollywood about how Game of Thrones nearly didn’t get made, working with Eddie Redmayne and the art of saying no.
    Sue talks about producing multiple shows at the same time, the projects that got away and the fear of where the next deal is coming from.
    We also talk about Hollywood coming out of its dark times, the Day of the Jackal and what she learned being an agent.
    Extraordinary insight from a varied and successful career.

    19 December 2024, 10:00 pm
  • 50 minutes 12 seconds
    Take 134 - Writer and Showrunner Kevin Abbott, Roseanne, Golden Girls, Happy’s Place

    We talk to comedy writing legend Kevin Abbott.
    He talks about the drinking, drugs and smoking of his first comedy rooms, how he got his break in the business and working through the night.
    Pitching while an exec was peeing, why writers are all miserable and the behaviours that are no longer acceptable.
    Kevin explains that Hollywood is in its worst possible spot, why creatives are not valued and how the industry has changed to be so much more business than show.
    A fascinating and hilarious discussion with a legend of the business.

    6 December 2024, 7:00 am
  • 41 minutes 53 seconds
    Take 133 - Producer Michael Costigan, Brokeback Mountain, Based on a True Story

    We talk to the magnificent Michael Costigan, producer of such hits as Brokeback Mountain, Robin Hood and Hit Man, among many others joins the show.
    He talks about his new TV series Based on a True Story, his transition from movies to the small screen and how hard it is to get anything made.
    Michael explains his journey from terrible assistant, to producing seminal movies and  compares adversity in film and television.
    An honest and candid romp through Hollywood, with tales of the biggest directors and a genuine passion for every project he touches.

    21 November 2024, 2:00 pm
  • 53 minutes 19 seconds
    Take 132 - Showrunner Frank Cardea, NCIS, Crazy Like a Fox, Shogun

    What an episode!
    We talk to TV legend Frank Cardea about his decades in the business.
    He tells us about his move from accountancy to producing, the extraordinary longevity of his writing partnership and working on more than 400 episodes of NCIS.
    We hear some great examples of failure, some great examples of success and also some great examples of leadership.
    A fascinating deepdive into one of Hollywood longest and most prodigious careers.

    24 October 2024, 1:00 pm
  • 46 minutes 3 seconds
    Take 131 - Writer and Showrunner Michael Rauch, Beautiful People, Royal Pains

    We talk to Michael Rauch. He starts with an extraordinary film school firing, then a late-night 'show being un-picked up' call and how he recovered from those early career setbacks.
    He tells us about his casting frustrations, managing multiple projects, and what he learned from great showrunners.
    An excellent episode full of brilliant anecdotes.

    10 October 2024, 4:00 pm
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