John and Nate begin by analyzing the Nick Richards/Josh Okogie trade, and then John comments on the comments by the Warriors’ principals on the trade deadline.

The meat of the show is our discussion of teams we’ve concluded have no chance to make the playoffs this year, and what their next steps are to return to relevance.  Brooklyn (11:32), New Orleans (20:37) , Charlotte (30:48), and Portland (38:48) are discussed.

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John and Nate look at the Kings’ decision to fire Mike Brown and how De’Aaron Fox’s contractual situation relates. Then, a look at which teams could and should get involved on Fox.

The Jimmy Butler saga has taken over the media of late. What do we see as the end-game there? 27:09

The biggest non-star known to be available right now is the Nets’ Cam Johnson. Who are the potential suitors for him and what would be a reasonable price to pay? 42:37

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The annual tradition continues, a Dunc’d On and Hollinger & Duncan crossover to rank the top-10 prospects in the NBA 23 and under.

Is Victor Wembanyama an obvious number 1? How can we sort through the injuries this year to find the rest of the top-10 among Paolo Banchero, Scottie Barnes, Franz Wagner, Jalen Williams, Anthony Edwards, Chet Holmgren, Evan Mobley, Cade Cunningham, LaMelo Ball, and more? Is anybody in the 2024 draft even in the top-15?

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The state of the league is a constant discussion point, so John and Nate went through and discussed the biggest criticisms and counterbalanced them with the biggest things the NBA is getting right at the moment, then ranked the biggest issues in both categories.

Link:

Nate's presentation on fixing the charge

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Hawks getting fined for sitting a healthy Trae Young - 0:21

76ers/Joel Embiid - 5:38

Organization rankings - 9:05

Eliminating a team from the playoffs - 49:36

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John and Nate examine the turmoil in Philadelphia, explain the criteria for their organization rankings (16:12) then start ranking teams from the top:

• Organization 1 - 21:34
• Organization 2 - 29:14
• Organization 3 - 37:05
• Organization 4 - 40:59

John and Nate also eliminate a team from the playoffs (46:47).

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Atlanta Hawks - 02:16

Cleveland Cavaliers - 07:49

Charlotte Hornets - 12:07

Boston Celtics - 16:23

Milwaukee Bucks - 20:31

Miami Heat - 23:57

Philadelphia 76ers - 28:48

Chicago Bulls - 34:00

Indiana Pacers - 41:45

New York Knicks - 45:47

Orlando Magic - 50:54

Detroit Pistons - 54:31

Bronny James - 59:43

Brooklyn Nets - 01:03:06

Toronto Raptors - 01:05:18

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• New Orleans Pelicans - 0:37
• Oklahoma City Thunder - 4:05
• Golden State Warriors - 7:00
• Dallas Mavericks - 12:24
• L.A. Clippers - 16:26
• Minnesota Timberwolves - 20:35
• Utah Jazz - 24:46
• Memphis Grizzlies - 28:27
• Los Angeles Lakers - 32:41
• Houston Rockets - 36:13
• Phoenix Suns - 40:25
• Denver Nuggets - 44:18
• San Antonio Spurs - 49:28
• Portland Trail Blazers - 53:16
• Sacramento Kings - 58:20

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John and Nate canvas the league and pick the players they think will be above or below expectations in the 2024-25 season, and both make over 10 picks in both categories. No timestamps on this one because it would ruin the podcast to list all the players ahead of time.

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Buckle up! John returns with a riveting explanation of all the crazy cap machinations that made the Wolves/Knicks trade possible. Does the league have a right to be annoyed with this kind of “circumvention?” 12:40. We also discuss whether we would have done this deal as the Knicks and Wolves and the pros and cons for each side. 18:23.

Then we discuss the retirement of Derrick Rose and whether he should be a Hall-of-Famer (38:08), and lament the early passing of Dikembe Mutombo. 43:47.

Then, we play a little playoff matchup roulette among some of the top teams in the East and the West and project the winner of some matchups we’d like to see. 48:03.

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John and Nate discuss the news that Kawhi Leonard won’t be cleared to start camp, the possibility of trading Kawhi (4:18), and whether the Kawhi trade and full-draft trades in general are worth it (5:51). Also, Mitchell Robinson won’t be back until the winter (15:00), and Joel Embiid agrees to an extension. (23:55)

Plus, more mailbag questions on whether injuries are ruining the playoffs (27:36), Scoot Henderson’s potential (35:00) the big scary Apron (38:39) , whether the Sixers are overrated going into the season (42:21), how we watch basketball and how to improve your own basketball-watching (45:34), and whether teams will also “position” themselves for the 2026 draft. (52:09)

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