with Natalie Ellis
Funnels or personal branding — which one should you focus on to make more money in your online business? If you've ever felt stuck trying to grow, you’re not alone. Many entrepreneurs chase visibility without turning it into sales or build a funnel that no one actually sees. In today’s episode, we’re breaking down the difference between funnels and personal branding, how each impacts your revenue, and which one will move the needle faster for your business.
What You’ll Learn:
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00:00 Funnels vs. personal branding — which one actually makes more money?
01:06 What a funnel really is (and why most people overcomplicate it).
02:28 What personal branding actually means (hint: it’s not just showing up on social media).
03:57 How a strong personal brand can triple your funnel conversions.
07:10 Why personal branding and funnels should work together — not separately.
08:36 The 2025 digital shift: Why AI, ad costs, and organic reach are changing the game.
09:59 The rise of micro-influencers and why small audiences can drive massive results.
11:15 The real answer: Which one makes more money, and where should you start?
14:42 How to scale without burnout and build a business that runs like clockwork.
17:04 Two resources to help you implement this today
RESOURCES + LINKS
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If you've ever built a funnel, launched it, and felt like it just didn’t work — you’re not alone. But here’s the truth: Funnels work when you make them work.
In this episode, Natalie is breaking down why your funnel might not be converting and how to fix it. She covers the key mindset shifts, marketing psychology, and data-driven strategies that turn an underperforming funnel into a predictable sales machine. At the end of this episode, you’ll walk away with a clear roadmap to building a funnel that scales to $100k+ months.
What You’ll Learn:
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00:13 Why most funnels don’t work (hint: it’s not just about the landing page).
01:06 The biggest mistake: Giving up too soon instead of testing and optimizing.
02:56 Why copying funnel templates won’t work (and what to do instead).
05:19 Funnels are data machines — key metrics you must track.
07:33 The four stages of buyer psychology (and why most funnels skip steps).
10:22 Is your offer actually optimized? Here’s how to tell.
12:38 The three most profitable funnel types (and which one is right for you).
14:57 How to structure a high-converting landing page.
16:19 The backend is where the real money is + how to maximize revenue.
18:04 The best traffic strategies to scale your funnel to $100k months.
RESOURCES + LINKS
Join Natalie for a FREE Live Training: How To Build A Profitable, Predictable + Repeatable Business. Choose From 3 Live Dates Here.
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Get Your 7-Figure Funnel Roadmap Here.
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EPISODE SUMMARY
Virality doesn’t always equal sales…so what should you focus on instead?
In this exclusive Société Membership Q&A Coaching Call, Natalie breaks down the exact social media growth strategies that actually lead to business success. Whether you’re struggling to attract the right audience, stuck in the cycle of chasing vanity metrics, or unsure how to turn followers into buyers, this call is packed with insights to shift your approach.
You’ll learn:
✅ The biggest mistakes business owners make when trying to grow on social media
✅ How to attract the right audience instead of just chasing virality
✅ The content shifts that will increase engagement + drive real business growth
✅ Why consistent, strategic growth matters more than one-off viral moments
✅ The framework for turning viewers into buyers - without relying on trends
Get ready to be a fly on the wall and listen in as Natalie shares the real strategies that drive audience growth + business success.
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00:00 Why audience growth is the #1 priority for scaling your business
03:10 The biggest mistakes keeping you from attracting the right followers
08:45 How to shift from random posting to a content strategy that converts
14:20 The social media formula we teach inside The Société Membership
20:15 Why some accounts grow FAST—and what they’re doing differently
26:30 The real reason virality doesn’t always equal sales (and what to focus on instead)
33:50 How to build an audience that’s actually engaged + ready to buy
40:10 Want personalized coaching on your social strategy? Join Société, Traffic Accelerator + Freedom Fast Track!
RESOURCES + LINKS
Get A Limited-Time Discount On Traffic Accelerator Right Here.
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The Mr. Beast Episode Lindsay Mentions In This Episode.
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Think you have a sales problem? Let’s challenge that today!
In this episode, we’re breaking down the real reason sales feel inconsistent and how to create unstoppable momentum in your business. From traffic and conversion strategies to optimizing your sales engine, you’ll get a behind-the-scenes look at how to generate wildly successful results without relying on exhausting launches.
We’re also diving into:
✔️ The biggest myths around sales & why most entrepreneurs feel stuck
✔️ The power of pre-launch (and why waiting until launch day is a mistake)
✔️ The three core elements of a high-performing sales system
✔️ How we hit $108K in a week without a launch or revenue push
✔️ Why less complexity = more growth & freedom in your business
If you’re tired of feeling like you’re constantly launching to crickets, this episode will help you shift your approach so you can create demand, attract the right audience, and generate consistent sales.
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00:00 Most entrepreneurs don’t have a sales problem—they have a marketing problem
03:45 The difference between sales and marketing (and why people confuse them)
07:30 The real reason your audience isn’t buying from you
10:15 Why fixing your sales script won’t solve your revenue problem
13:50 The biggest mistake people make when launching
17:25 How to create demand instead of chasing customers
21:10 The three types of content that drive consistent sales
24:55 Building a marketing system that works on autopilot
28:40 The key to turning followers into loyal buyers
32:20 What sustainable marketing momentum actually looks like
36:05 Actionable steps to take today to fix your marketing problem
39:50 Final thoughts and next steps for creating a predictable sales system
RESOURCES + LINKS
Create + Refine Your Irresistible Offer With Our Free Workbook. Download It Here.
Download Your Free AI Training Guide With Step-By-Step Instructions To Teach ChatGPT To Be Your Marketer - Plus 68 Bonus Prompts Inside. Get It Right Here.
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AI is transforming the way we work—and when used strategically, it can become the ultimate marketing team, strategist, and business partner. In this solo episode, Lindsay Roselle breaks down how to train ChatGPT to streamline your marketing, optimize workflows, and enhance creativity.
You'll learn:
Lindsay also shares her personal AI hacks, including voice-noting ChatGPT for brainstorming, using it for mindset coaching, and even training it to help her kids learn about space!
If you're ready to unlock AI-powered marketing and business growth, you’ll enjoy this episode!
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00:00 Intro: Why AI is a must-have tool for entrepreneurs in 2025
02:38 How ChatGPT can be your marketing team, editor, and strategist
04:58 The 3-step AI training framework: make it work, make it right, make it better
09:47 Step 1: How to train ChatGPT with your brand voice and business goals
14:25 The best way to upload transcripts, newsletters, and high-performing content
16:51 Why gold-standard examples make AI smarter and more effective
19:11 Step 2: How to refine ChatGPT’s responses so it sounds like you
23:55 How voice-noting ChatGPT unlocks better content ideas and clarity
26:22 Step 3: Making ChatGPT better over time—optimizing for results
28:44 The #1 game-changer: telling ChatGPT to remember your preferences
32:05 Lindsay’s AI hacks: how she brainstorms business ideas and content
34:31 Beyond marketing: using AI for coaching, productivity, and parenting
36:50 How Lindsay uses AI in her personal life
39:12 Final thoughts + how AI will shape the future of business
RESOURCES + LINKS
Download Your Free AI Training Guide With Step-By-Step Instructions To Teach Your AI To Be Your Marketer - Plus 68 Bonus Prompts Inside. Get It Right Here.
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Sign Up For Our Free Weekly Newsletter & Get Insights From Natalie Every Single Week On All Things Strategy, Motherhood, Business Growth + More.
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The digital landscape is evolving fast, and 2025 is shaping up to be a pivotal year for business owners and creators alike. In this episode, Natalie and Lindsay break down the latest Instagram updates, the rapid advancements in AI, and the growing shift toward hyper-niche communities. They explore how AI is transforming business operations—from content creation to customer service—and why now is the time to integrate it into your workflow before you get left behind.
They also unpack the changing creator economy, from the resurgence of storytelling-driven content to the rise of long-term brand partnerships. Plus, they share insights from the latest CEO Mama retreat, lessons from going viral, and the importance of maintaining authenticity in a world increasingly shaped by algorithms.
If you’re looking for actionable insights on where to focus your energy in 2025, this episode is packed with takeaways to help you stay ahead of the curve.
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00:14 Bossbabe’s 2025 business and social media predictions — big shifts are already happening.
00:43 Why this January feels different and what that means for the rest of the year.
02:02 The rise of creator-led brands and why personality-driven businesses are winning.
03:51 Balancing creativity and business growth, why many entrepreneurs feel disconnected from their work.
05:14 AI in parenting — is it a helpful tool or a risky shortcut for kids?
07:53 The challenge of being both a content creator and CEO — how to navigate seasons of focus.
09:32 Instagram’s major updates and what they mean for your content strategy.
12:26 The TikTok ban reversal — was it a PR stunt or a wake-up call for creators?
15:51 The future of social media: why hyper-niche content and storytelling are the next big thing.
20:52 AI’s growing role in business operations, marketing, and customer service.
26:27 Why long-term brand partnerships are replacing one-off sponsorship deals.
32:58 The importance of owning your audience — why email lists are more critical than ever.
49:38 Final thoughts on 2025 trends, social media shifts, and what to expect next.
RESOURCES + LINKS
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Welcome to a masterclass in building a thriving business even while managing real-life challenges. Catherine Smith Licari, the creator of the Small Business Planner, joins Natalie to break down the tactical strategies behind creating a predictable sales engine and why intentional business planning is essential for long-term success.
From sourcing and developing high-quality products to leveraging paid traffic and building customer trust, Catherine shares a wealth of actionable insights that any entrepreneur can apply. She also opens up about her IVF journey, revealing how she managed to grow her business during one of the most challenging years of her life. This interview covers how years of stagnant revenue finally led to a breakthrough of reaching almost 7-figures. If you’re ready to refine your operations, create consistent revenue, and scale your businesses with purpose – this episode is for you.
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00:13 How Catherine identified gaps in the fashion industry and launched her first business.
02:08 Leveraging Instagram and early online trends to build brand awareness.
03:34 Pivoting from product sales to brand advising based on client demand.
16:23 The creation of the Small Business Planner: Combining luxury and function for entrepreneurs.
23:04 Sourcing and developing a high-quality product: Catherine’s step-by-step approach.
27:27 Why intentional packaging and customer experience drive repeat customers.
35:03 Features of the Small Business Planner designed to solve critical business challenges.
37:26 Balancing personal challenges, including IVF, while scaling a business.
46:04 Building a predictable sales engine with paid ads and intentional traffic strategies.
50:48 Insights from Freedom Fast Track that shaped Catherine’s business growth framework.
53:36 Addressing financial and operational blind spots for small business owners.
59:21 How to fully utilize the Small Business Planner and its digital companion course.
01:09:26 Exclusive Bossbabe Sales Engine Bonus Pack for Small Business Planner customers.
RESOURCES + LINKS
Grab Your Small Business Planner Right Here + Get Your Sales Engine Bonus Pack for FREE.
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*Trigger Warning: Joanne shares her story of being abducted from her office in this episode.
In this candid episode, Natalie sits down with Joanne Bolt, founder of PodcastHer, to uncover how she turned adversity into opportunity and built a thriving podcasting business. Joanne shares the harrowing experience of being abducted by a client during her real estate career and how it profoundly shaped her perspective on success, safety, and resilience.
You’ll learn:
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00:00
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In this episode, Natalie is joined by Angie Lee, co-founder of Soul, to unpack her journey of building a direct-to-consumer (DTC) wellness brand. From humble beginnings as a CBD tincture company to an expansive product line that now includes gummies, microdose THC products, drops, and so much more, Angie shares the lessons learned along the way.
Get ready for a masterclass in e-commerce as Angie dives into all the levers they pulled to really get the business off the ground — from leveraging community-driven strategies to pivoting based on customer feedback. She also offers actionable insights into partnerships, marketing, and scaling a DTC brand while staying profitable and purpose-driven.
Whether you’re an entrepreneur in the wellness space or simply looking for inspiration on building a business from scratch, this episode is packed with gems.
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00:00 Introduction: Natalie welcomes Angie Lee, co-founder of Soul, to discuss building a thriving DTC wellness brand.
00:26 From CBD tinctures to a diverse product line, how Soul evolved by listening to customer needs.
03:03 The importance of staying flexible in product development and pivoting for growth.
04:57 Community-driven strategies and how Angie leverages customer feedback to build raving fans.
07:50 Early challenges in funding, product development, and building a foundation for long-term success.
11:33 Marketing that works, the power of partnerships, co-collaborations, and customer-centric campaigns.
13:57 The Founder's role in scaling while balancing creative input and operational strategy.
19:16 Finding your niche and building a brand identity that resonates with your audience.
24:42 Lessons learned and why simplicity and focus are key to success in e-commerce.
30:07 Staying profitable in a competitive DTC space with tips for sustainable growth.
34:43 Final reflections and Angie’s advice for building a purpose-driven, profitable brand.
RESOURCES + LINKS
Use this link for a discount on Soul products.
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In this soul-inspiring episode, Natalie welcomes Sarah Jenks, a priestess, entrepreneur, and advocate for women stepping into their fullest selves. Together, they explore the journey from conditioned expectations to authentic living, the erasure + resurgence of the sacred feminine, and how ceremony can unlock untapped potential. Sarah shares her personal story of evolution — from an advertising executive to an emotional eating coach to a fully expressed priestess — and how embracing her path led to profound transformation in her marriage, motherhood, and business.
This episode’s candid reflections include navigating the fear of judgment, balancing motherhood with ambition, and building a niche business in a non-traditional field. If you are looking to align your business with your passion + create lasting impact while staying true to yourself, this episode is for you.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
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00:31 - From advertising to emotional eating: Sarah's early career story.
02:26 - Building a successful business while feeling unfulfilled inside.
05:00 - The transformative power of ceremony and meeting your soul.
11:12 - Motherhood as a spiritual awakening and breaking free from conditioning.
19:59 - The erasure of the sacred feminine in history and its impact today.
27:23 - What ceremony is, and how it creates space for divine connection.
37:27 - Turning an unlikely path into a career: From priestess training to entrepreneurship.
43:40 - How to weave sacred practices into your business.
51:13 - Navigating marriage, motherhood, and authenticity in tandem.
55:02 - Advice for anyone feeling stuck in a life that doesn’t resonate.
RESOURCES + LINKS
Join Sarah’s retreat, Emerge here.
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Welcome to the first episode of 2025! Join Natalie + Lindsay as they reflect on their biggest lessons from 2024 + dive into how to redefine freedom in business while staying aligned with your values. This episode unpacks how freedom evolves over time, how Maslow's Hierarchy applies to entrepreneurship, and why your work is not your worth. The conversation is filled with practical insights on goal-setting, anti-goals, managing a lean team, and creating a sustainable and joyful business. Plus, hear about the exciting launch of the Bossbabe Planner (in Walmart stores now… what a freaking pinch me moment!) and how it can help you map out a fulfilling + intentional year.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
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00:00 – Intro
00:13 – Kicking off 2025 with reflections on 2024 and setting intentions for the new year.
01:04 – The surprising results of 2024: How Bossbabe achieved its highest revenue and profit year without making it the primary goal.
01:57 – The power of saying no: Cutting non-essentials and focusing on what moves the needle.
03:19 – Lessons learned in hiring, firing, and aligning your team with your values.
04:57 – Why you don’t need a big team to run a successful business — simplicity is key.
07:47 – Navigating cancel culture and embracing confidence in setting high standards.
09:43 – Why authenticity and alignment are more important than ever in online business.
12:37 – The importance of building a freedom-based business that prioritizes alignment and integrity.
16:12 – Personal reflections from Natalie: Balancing motherhood, business, and personal growth.
18:33 – How Maslow’s Hierarchy applies to entrepreneurship: From survival to true freedom.
22:31 – The magic of white space: Why clarity often comes from slowing down and creating space.
27:09 – Freedom redefined: Choosing how you work today to create a life you love tomorrow.
28:34 – Why freedom is more about mindset than money — and how to break free from “moreness.”
31:28 – Your work is not your worth: The mindset shift every entrepreneur needs.
37:43 – Behind the scenes of the Bossbabe Planner: Why it’s the ultimate tool for intentional goal-setting.
45:12 – The importance of planning: How laying out your year helps you avoid reactivity and overwhelm.
49:39 – Wrapping up: Creating a proactive, intentional year and prioritizing what truly matters.
RESOURCES + LINKS
Get Your Bossbabe x Bly Sky Planner Here.
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