Against the Rules with Michael Lewis: The Trial of Sam Bankman-Fried

Pushkin Industries

From Michael Lewis and Against The Rules comes a special series – Judging Sam: The Trial of Sam Bankman-Fried. Judging Sam will follow the daily courtroom drama as the former FTX CEO is tried for financial crimes, with expert commentary from author and Against the Rules host Michael Lewis, reporter and Against the Rules producer Lidia Jean Kott, finance journalist and What’s Your Problem host Jacob Goldstein, as well as legal experts and journalists who cover cryptocurrency and the law. iHeartMedia is the exclusive podcast partner of Pushkin Industries.

  • 32 minutes 6 seconds
    Episode 5: The Mule

    The role has many names: “Runner,” “mover,” “betting partner,” and “mule.” As skilled sports gamblers find themselves limited on apps, they turn to these affiliates to place their bets in return for a piece of the proceeds. Against the Rules decides to explore this murky world by signing up for mule-dom with one of the world’s most skilled sports bettors.

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    19 November 2024, 10:00 am
  • 33 minutes 55 seconds
    An Interview with Ted Olson

    Constitutional lawyer and former US Solicitor Ted Olson recently died at the age of 84. Olson represented the state of New Jersey in its efforts to overturn a federal ban on sports gambling. Those efforts succeeded, as we hear in our episode "Welcome to the Garden State." But Olson and Michael Lewis talked about many other aspects of his vivid legal career. We're offering their full conversation today.

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    15 November 2024, 9:01 pm
  • 37 minutes 5 seconds
    Episode 4: A Hard Way to Make an Easy Living

    Michael Lewis heads to Las Vegas to explore the way sports betting used to work, up until the day it was rapidly legalized by states around the country. We meet the betting sharps who figured out what others couldn’t and set the odds for other bookies. That is, up until everyone seemed to have a casino on their smartphone. But the new online casino differs from the old ones in an important way: It doesn’t take all bets.

    For further reading: 

    Edward Thorp’s Beat the Dealer

    “Cigars, Booze, Money: How a Lobbying Blitz Made Sports Betting Ubiquitous” by 

    Eric Lipton and Kenneth P. Vogel

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    12 November 2024, 10:00 am
  • 37 minutes 40 seconds
    Nate Silver on the Risky Business of Sports Betting

    As the US election nears, Michael Lewis sits down with Nate Silver, co-host of the Pushkin podcast Risky Business (along with the writer, psychologist and professional poker player Maria Konnikova). They talk about why people bet on elections, the problem with sports gamblers in the United States, and Silver’s new book, On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything

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    29 October 2024, 9:00 am
  • 23 minutes 55 seconds
    Marci Cottingham on the Religious Passion of Steeler Nation

    Is there a difference between fandom and religion? In Pittsburgh, it can be hard to tell. Fans of the city’s football team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, seem to have a cradle-to-grave devotion, complete with a golden relic, the “terrible towel.” Michael Lewis talks with sociologist Marci Cottingham, a native of Steeler Nation, about her work studying the religious overtones of fandom, and why the positive experiences of sports fans should get more scholarly attention.

    For further reading: Marci Cottingham’s Practical Feelings: Emotions as Resources in a Dynamic Social World

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    22 October 2024, 9:00 am
  • 34 minutes 13 seconds
    Alison LaCroix on How History Rhymes at the Supreme Court

    It may seem like sports gambling got legalized overnight in the US. But it was in fact a winding road to get there. Michael Lewis speaks with legal historian and University of Chicago professor Alison L. LaCroix about all the factors that led to the Supreme Court overturning, in 2018, a federal law called the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act. And they explore why, in some eras of US history, the Court tends to lean towards “states rights” arguments.

    For further reading: Alison LaCroix’s The Interbellum Constitution: Union, Commerce, and Slavery in the Age of Federalisms

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    15 October 2024, 9:00 am
  • 44 minutes 36 seconds
    Episode 3: Welcome to the Garden State

    How did we get from fantasy sports to legalized sports betting? The path is convoluted, but most of it winds through New Jersey. Michael Lewis speaks with former governor Chris Christie, among other Jersey politicians, as well as lobbyists for the gaming industry. Plus we hear from Ted Olson, the lawyer who kept bringing the Garden State’s constitutional challenge until it finally reached the Supreme Court — and hit a jackpot.

    For further reading:

    Albert Chen’s Billion Dollar Fantasy

    Murphy v. NCAA

    ESPN timeline of how sports betting was legalized

    SCOTUS Blog: The Tenth Amendment, Anti-Commandeering and Sports Betting

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    8 October 2024, 9:00 am
  • 34 minutes 18 seconds
    Episode 2: Values of the Game

    Bill Bradley was already famous in college as the epitome of certain American virtues: integrity, honesty, and athleticism. As an NBA star, he took those virtues to the big leagues. As a US Senator, he had a chance to codify some of them into law and prevent the rise of sports betting. But at the same time, others in Bradley's state were making huge money on this illicit form of gambling.

    For further reading:

    John McPhee’s A Sense of Where You Are

    American Bettors Voice, non-profit advocacy for sports bettors co-founded by Gadoon “Spanky” Kryollos.

    Bill Bradley’s Values of the Game

    David Hill's The Vapors: Southern Family, the New York Mob, and the Rise and Fall of Hot Springs, America's Forgotten Capital of Vice

    Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act of 1992.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-congress/senate-bill/474

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    1 October 2024, 9:00 am
  • 29 minutes
    Episode 1: What’s Wrong with Eric?

    Sports fans experience incredible highs and lows, and spend loads of money on a product over which they have no control. But for a long time, no one bothered to study the minds or impulses of fans. Michael Lewis finds out how that's changing as writers and academics learn more about the powerful psychology of fandom. Just in time for technology to exploit fandom more than ever.

    For further reading: 

    Eric Simons’ book The Secret Lives of Sports Fans

    Research by Murray State University psychology professor Daniel Wann on fandom: https://murraystate.academia.edu/DanielWann

    The Henry Tajfel Experiments

     

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    24 September 2024, 9:00 am
  • 2 minutes 53 seconds
    Against the Rules: Fans

    Against the Rules is going to Vegas (by way of New Jersey!). Host Michael Lewis bets high and low to find out how Americans, and their state governments, got addicted to a new form of legalized gambling. This season, we’ll meet bookies, lobbyists, lawyers and professional sharps. All in their own ways trying to figure out why fans might hitch their life savings to their favorite team’s performance. 

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    5 September 2024, 9:00 am
  • 41 minutes 36 seconds
    Judging Sam: The Sentencing

    Sam Bankman-Fried was sentenced to 25 years in prison after being convicted of fraud and conspiracy. Michael Lewis and Lidia Jean Kott were there in court. They talk about what happened with Judging Sam’s legal expert, Rebecca Mermelstein, a former federal prosecutor and partner at O'Melveny and Myers.

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    29 March 2024, 9:00 am
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