How do you rebuild your life after 13 years and 6 companies worth of Multi Level Marketing indoctrination? On the first episode of Season 4 of The Dream (we're back!) host Jane Marie talks to former MLM devotee and current anti MLM crusader, Erin Bies, about the state of the MLM industry and the work Erin is now doing to take it down. And you might just learn a little something about exogenous ketones along the way....

Find out more about the work Erin is doing:

https://www.erinbies.com/

TikTok: @erinbies

IG: @therealbiestmode

www.youtube.com/@ErinBies

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The Dream is back! Starting Monday, January 20th, we'll be releasing all new weekly episodes.

In Season 4 we're re-imagining The Dream as a weekly interview podcast with guests and segments about.... whatever we want! We'll still be focused on the "American Dream" and all the assholes that make it infinitely harder to achieve. We'll just have a bit more freedom in how we present it.

Check back in next Monday for the first episode of Season 4!

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Dream fans....WE ARE BACK!

Season four's gonna be a little different though. We're reimagining The Dream as a weekly interview podcast with guests and segments about, I don't know.... whatever we want? Don't worry! We'll still be focused on the "American Dream" and all the assholes that make it infinitely harder to achieve. We'll just have a bit more freedom in how we present it.

Also, today we're bringing you an episode of a podcast I've been producing about abortion, called "Outlawed":

Join two OB-Gyns as they explain the science and stories of abortion in the US. Misinformation is unfortunately everywhere. Listening to this podcast will give you the knowledge and tools you need to help navigate these difficult conversations with family and friends at the dining room table. Throughout the season we will interview physicians, researchers, advocates and experts, as we navigate this contentious topic and make sense of the reality of abortion care in the US.

And DO NOT forget to check back in a few weeks for new episodes of The Dream!

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A chapter from Jane Marie’s forthcoming book. Preorder at jane-marie.com.

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The Dream listeners called in to share their own experiences with life coaches: the good, the bad and the absurd.

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Sarah Edmonson publicly left NXIVM, a life coaching MLM made famous by the HBO documentary, The Vow, in 2017 shortly after being branded with the founder's initials. Jane and Sarah sit down to discuss the fine line between coaching and culting. Sarah and her husband, Nippy Ames, host the podcast A Little Bit Culty.

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Days after the debut of this season, Jessie Lee Ward, who was featured in episodes one and nine, passed away after a short battle with cancer. Jane reconnects with Erin Bies to discuss her former friend’s legacy and talks with Death Coach, Megan Carmichael, about what to make of death when you had a complicated relationship with the person who has passed on. 

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To our surprise, the OG coach Jessie Lee Ward agrees to an interview. She seems surprised to find out that Jane is not a fan of her work. It turns out that the feeling goes both ways. After ugly exchanges with Jessie Lee, Jane checks back in with her coach and with Dann. Has Jane actually improved as a person? Is she better or worse after six months of self-improvement?

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Who does coaching work least well for? Turns out it’s the exact people who could benefit most from it, according to the industry. Dr. Sherman James and Dr. Arline Geronimus discuss the downsides of positive thinking, bootstrapping, and mindset culture. For some people, striving has negative impacts on health and happiness.

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Who becomes a life coach? Jane talks to Patrick Sheehan, a researcher who has found a surprising answer: many coaches couldn’t find success elsewhere. Why do people who can’t do teach? We also learn more about Jane’s life coach, her bona fides, and what sets her apart from the scammers.

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Neuro-linguistic programming, or NLP, is the communication technique used by coaches and cult leaders alike. John James Santangelo—a fan of Napoleon Hill— is an NLP expert who gives Jane a crash course. Jane is mesmerized, and according to Santangelo, might've even been hypnotized.

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