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  • 37 minutes 22 seconds
    The Next Generation of Golden Visas

    In this episode of the Skift Travel Podcast, Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko discuss the emerging trend of golden visas, particularly in light of U.S. President Trump's recent announcement regarding a new program in the U.S. They explore the market for these visas, the motivations behind them, and the potential risks involved. Max Tremaine, CEO of Sherpa, provides insights into the various golden visa programs available globally, their economic implications, and the role of technology in navigating visa requirements. The conversation also touches on the future of visa policies and the impact of these programs on real estate and business markets. In this conversation, Max Tremaine discusses the implications of golden visas on the economy, the future of visa programs, and the influence of political factors on visa regulations. He also explores the technological advancements in visa applications and the vision for a seamless travel experience. The discussion highlights the evolving landscape of travel documentation and the potential for a more integrated and efficient system.


    Takeaways

    • Golden visas provide a pathway to residency and citizenship through economic investment.
    • The U.S. gold card program aims for simplicity in the application process.
    • Different countries offer varying benefits through their golden visa programs.
    • Clients typically seek stronger passports, flexible markets, or lower taxes.
    • The U.S. already has an EB-5 program that requires job creation for residency.
    • There is a growing trend of electronic visas and travel authorizations globally.
    • The demand for golden visas is influenced by the strength of the applicant's home passport.
    • Technological advancements are making visa navigation easier for travelers.
    • The shift towards electronic documents is changing the visa landscape.
    • Real estate markets in the U.S. may see increased demand from golden visa holders. Dynamic economies benefit from enterprising productive people.
    • Top cities like New York and LA will see the most benefit.
    • Golden visas can be seen as luxury products for the wealthy.
    • The US offers more opportunity than many other countries.
    • Visa requirements are often reciprocal between countries.
    • Technological advancements are making visa applications easier.
    • Sherpa aims to create a seamless travel visa experience.
    • AI is being used to streamline visa application processes.
    • Travelers can expect a more integrated system in the future.
    • The future of travel documentation is moving towards digital solutions.


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    27 March 2025, 2:32 pm
  • 44 minutes 51 seconds
    Unlocking the Secrets of Travel Rewards and Loyalty

    In this episode of the Skift Travel Podcast, Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko explore the complex world of travel loyalty programs, focusing on the evolution of these systems, the role of credit cards, and how consumers can maximize their points. Guest Tiffany Funk, President and co-founder of Point.me, shares insights on the challenges consumers face in redeeming points and the importance of understanding personal travel goals. The conversation also delves into the impact of credit card companies on loyalty programs and the shifting landscape of consumer loyalty in the travel industry.


    Takeaways

    • Loyalty programs have evolved significantly since their inception in the ‘70s and ‘80s.
    • Many consumers struggle to redeem their travel points effectively.
    • Understanding personal travel goals is crucial for maximizing points.
    • Credit card companies are increasingly influential in the travel loyalty landscape.
    • Consumers often prioritize practical benefits like free checked bags over luxury experiences.
    • The gap between brand promises and consumer experiences is a major issue.
    • Loyalty programs exist primarily to drive revenue for airlines and hotels.
    • There is a disconnect between consumer expectations and reality in points redemption.
    • Travel loyalty is not just about flying; it encompasses a range of consumer experiences.
    • The rise of credit card companies has changed the dynamics of loyalty programs. Stack trips for exponential rewards.
    • Brand affinity can influence credit card choices.
    • Consumers seek simplicity in understanding points.
    • Political discussions can impact the points ecosystem.
    • Credit card interchange fees are a fundraising tool for politicians.
    • Loyalty programs can create emotional connections with consumers.
    • Airlines have learned that consumer outrage is often short-lived.
    • Frequent travelers expect better treatment from airlines.
    • The future of travel rewards is about accessibility.
    • Point.me aims to educate consumers on maximizing their points.


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    20 March 2025, 10:00 am
  • 41 minutes 29 seconds
    Bollywood: The Strongest Currency in Indian Tourism

    Today Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko discuss the significant influence of Bollywood on Indian culture and its impact on the travel industry. They’re joined by Raj Rishi Singh, CMO of MakeMyTrip, who shares insights on how Bollywood shapes travel aspirations and marketing strategies. The conversation explores the evolution of India's travel market, driven by rising affluence, improved infrastructure, and social media. This week’s episode also delves into the growing trend of spiritual tourism among the Indian diaspora, highlighting the diverse motivations for travel among Indians living abroad. In this conversation, Singh discusses the evolving landscape of travel in India, focusing on the rediscovery of the country by the new generation, the rise of super apps like his own MakeMyTrip, and the integration of AI and big data to enhance consumer experiences. He highlights the changing behaviors of Indian travelers, the importance of influencer marketing, and the strategic approach to marketing in the travel industry.


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    Takeaways

    • Bollywood significantly influences Indian culture and travel aspirations.
    • Travel in India is growing at 14-15% year on year post-COVID.
    • Rising affluence and improved infrastructure are key drivers of travel growth.
    • Social media plays a crucial role in shaping travel trends in India.
    • Make My Trip leverages Bollywood stars for marketing and brand messaging.
    • Spiritual tourism is a growing trend among the Indian diaspora.
    • Indians are increasingly combining family visits with sightseeing and events.
    • Bollywood movies often inspire travel to specific destinations.
    • The Indian travel market is becoming more diverse and accessible.
    • Cultural experiences are a major draw for travelers returning to India. Indians are increasingly reconnecting with their roots and exploring India.
    • Improved connectivity is making travel within India more accessible.
    • Make My Trip aims to be the super app for all travel needs.
    • AI and big data are crucial for personalizing travel experiences.
    • Indian travelers are open to using AI for trip planning.
    • Social media significantly influences travel destination choices.
    • Influencer marketing plays a role in engaging high-spending travelers.
    • Understanding consumer behavior is key to effective marketing.
    • Marketing in travel requires a balance of data-driven strategies and creative content.
    • The Indian market is unique and requires tailored approaches.


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    13 March 2025, 10:00 am
  • 24 minutes 59 seconds
    The TikTok Travel Discovery Engine

    This week’s conversation takes a small turn. Guest host Gordon Smith, who you can hear on the Airline Weekly Lounge Podcast, is joined by Hannah Bennett, head of travel at TikTok, to talk about how TikTok has transformed the travel industry. They discuss how the platform is used not only for inspiration but also for actual travel planning and bookings. The discussion touches on real-world examples of brands successfully leveraging TikTok, the importance of authentic and behind‑the‑scenes content, evolving audience demographics, emerging travel ad products, and even regulatory challenges that TikTok faces.

    Takeaways

    TikTok as a Travel Discovery Engine: TikTok is now a primary platform for travel inspiration, where users go beyond glossy images to experience authentic, full-journey travel content. 

    Authenticity and Creator Influence: TikTok creators share genuine, behind‑the‑scenes travel experiences that resonate with viewers, making their recommendations highly trusted—evidenced by studies showing that over 40% of travelers take action based on TikTok content. 

    Real-World Brand Successes: Major brands including Booking.com and TUI have successfully engaged with diverse TikTok communities by tailoring content (ranging from humor to practical travel tips) that fits the platform’s style. 

    Innovative Travel-Specific Advertising: TikTok is launching a travel-specific ad product—catalog ads for travel—that targets users with active travel intent, further bridging the gap between inspiration and booking. 

    Shifting Demographics: Despite perceptions of being a younger platform, TikTok now has a diverse, maturing user base with an average age over 30, reaching over a billion users globally. 

    Enhanced Consumer Spending: Research highlighted in the discussion indicates that users influenced by TikTok not only book trips but tend to spend more, suggesting strong purchasing power among its audience. 

    The Power of Authentic Content Over Traditional Formats: The platform's success stems from its ability to offer realistic portrayals of travel—including both highs and lows—which contrasts with traditional, highly curated travel advertising. 

    Navigating Regulatory and Future Trends: Despite regulatory challenges in various markets, TikTok continues to invest in security and innovation while also fostering trends like “destination dupes,” slow travel, and niche travel experiences.

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    7 March 2025, 8:00 am
  • 43 minutes 13 seconds
    Tourism Australia's $230 Billion by 2030 Goal

    In this episode of the Skift Travel Podcast, Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko discuss the significance of tourism in Australia with Pip Harrison, the Managing Director of Tourism Australia. They explore personal experiences in Australia, the economic impact of tourism, sustainable growth strategies, and the challenges of over-tourism. The conversation also delves into the growing importance of Asian markets, the effects of geopolitics on travel, aviation strategies for enhancing connectivity, and the marketing campaigns aimed at attracting visitors to Australia. In this episode, we explore the multifaceted role of sports in Australia's identity, the challenges and opportunities presented by live tourism, the importance of indigenous tourism, and the marketing strategies that have made Australia a leading destination. Pip Harrison shares insights on how sports events drive tourism, the significance of sustainability and accessibility, and the evolving landscape of tourism marketing in the digital age.

    Takeaways

    • Tourism is Australia's number one service export, worth $177 billion.
    • Sustainable growth in tourism is a priority for Australia.
    • Australia does not currently face an over-tourism problem.
    • Asian markets are growing faster than Western markets for Australian tourism.
    • The US remains a key market for Australian tourism.
    • Aviation is crucial for Australia as an island nation.
    • Direct flights from Sydney to New York are on the horizon.
    • Marketing strategies have evolved from Crocodile Dundee to a more inclusive approach.
    • The welcoming nature of Australians is a key attraction for visitors.
    • An animated kangaroo named Ruby is part of the new marketing campaign. Australia invests heavily in sports, with $12 billion annually.
    • The Sydney Olympics significantly boosted the tourism economy.
    • Women's sports are gaining popularity, especially rugby.
    • Indigenous tourism is becoming more accessible and authentic.
    • Sustainability is a key focus for the tourism industry.
    • Social media is crucial for modern tourism marketing.
    • Australia has a strong presence in social commerce.
    • The tourism industry is adapting to changing consumer behaviors.
    • Engaging with indigenous cultures enhances the tourism experience.
    • Marketing strategies must evolve with technology and consumer trends.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Australia and Personal Experiences

    03:13 The Importance of Tourism in Australia

    05:56 Sustainable Growth and Over-Tourism Challenges

    08:59 The Asian Century and Market Trends

    11:58 Impact of Geopolitics on Tourism

    15:00 Aviation Strategy and Connectivity

    17:57 Marketing Strategies and Campaigns

    22:05 The Role of Sports in Australia's Identity

    29:15 Challenges and Opportunities in Live Tourism

    33:03 Indigenous Tourism and Cultural Experiences

    36:46 Marketing Australia: Lessons and Insights

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    27 February 2025, 11:30 am
  • 30 minutes 50 seconds
    How AI Will Transform Travel Search

    In this episode of the Skift Travel Podcast, Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko sit down with Thomas Reiner from Altimeter Capital to discuss the transformative impact of AI on the travel industry. They cover the shift from traditional keyword searches to conversational AI, the importance of trust in AI-driven travel planning, and the implications for online travel agencies and direct bookings. The conversation also explores the role of user-generated content and voice technology in enhancing the travel experience.

    Takeaways

    • AI agents will significantly change how travel is planned.
    • The travel industry is moving towards conversational AI.
    • Trust in AI is crucial for travel planning.
    • Direct bookings will increase as AI evolves.
    • User-generated content will play a key role in travel decisions.
    • Voice AI will enhance user experience in travel.
    • The traditional OTA model may face challenges from AI.
    • Personalization will be a major focus for AI in travel.
    • AI will streamline the booking process for consumers.
    • The future of travel will involve more direct interactions with suppliers.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to AI in Travel

    02:59 The Shift from Keywords to Conversational AI

    05:55 Trust and AI in Travel Planning

    08:48 Impact on Online Travel Agencies

    11:57 The Future of Direct Bookings

    14:53 User-Generated Content and AI

    17:59 The Role of Voice in Travel AI

    20:53 Blue Sky Predictions for AI in Travel

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    20 February 2025, 11:00 am
  • 44 minutes 7 seconds
    TikTok, Instagram and Travel Influencers with Beautiful Destinations’ Jeremy Jauncey

    Skift’s Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko are joined by Jeremy Jauncey, CEO of Beautiful Destinations, to discuss the burgeoning field of social commerce within the travel industry. The conversation explores how platforms like TikTok and Instagram are reshaping travel discovery and planning, the evolving consumer behaviors in travel bookings, and the potential future of travel commerce driven by influencers and social media. They also touch on the role of major platforms, including YouTube, in this dynamic landscape. In this conversation, Jeremy discusses the evolving landscape of travel marketing, emphasizing the importance of content creation over traditional advertising. He highlights the shift in budget allocation towards continuous content creation, particularly short-form video, and the role of influencers and creators in this new paradigm. The discussion also touches on the trends in social commerce, particularly in Asia, and the potential for social media to address issues like overtourism by promoting lesser-known destinations. Jeremy shares insights on how social media influences travel choices and the importance of adapting marketing strategies to leverage the power of creators.

    Takeaways

    • Social commerce is rapidly growing in the travel industry.
    • TikTok has become a significant platform for travel discovery.
    • Consumers are increasingly using social media for travel planning.
    • The integration of video content is essential for travel marketing.
    • Travel bookings are shifting towards social media platforms.
    • Influencers play a crucial role in driving travel commerce.
    • The future of travel transactions may heavily involve social media.
    • Major OTAs are beginning to recognize the power of social commerce.
    • YouTube is an important player in the travel content ecosystem.
    • Consumer expectations for travel experiences are evolving. Understanding the shift in travel marketing budgets is crucial.
    • Content creation is now prioritized over traditional advertising.
    • Influencers and creators serve different roles in marketing.
    • Social commerce is growing, especially in Asia.
    • Overtourism can be mitigated through strategic content promotion.
    • The travel industry must adapt to the creator economy.
    • Boutique hotels are leveraging social media effectively.
    • Diverse content can enhance travel experiences.
    • Social media can drive direct bookings for unique properties.
    • The algorithm helps consumers discover new travel options.

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    13 February 2025, 11:00 am
  • 36 minutes 18 seconds
    From JetBlue to Breeze: David Neeleman’s Aviation Vision

    In this episode of the Skift Travel Podcast, Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko engage in a comprehensive discussion with David Neeleman, founder of JetBlue and Breeze Airways. The conversation covers the fragility of the aviation industry, the challenges faced by low-cost carriers, the implications of mergers, and the regulatory landscape affecting market consolidation. Neeleman also shares his critical views on sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) and discusses the future of Breeze Airways, emphasizing innovation and the use of technology to enhance customer experience.

    Takeaways

    • The aviation industry is fragile and can change quickly.
    • Drones and new technologies are reshaping airspace management.
    • Low-cost carriers face significant challenges from larger airlines.
    • Mergers can eliminate competition but may not solve underlying issues.
    • Regulatory bodies play a crucial role in market dynamics.
    • Sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) is controversial and costly.
    • Customer demand for sustainability initiatives is low.
    • Innovation in air travel is essential for future growth.
    • Breeze Airways aims to leverage technology for better service.
    • The future of aviation may include pilotless planes and AI advancements.


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    8 February 2025, 4:23 pm
  • 31 minutes 46 seconds
    Kayak CEO on This Year’s Travel Megatrends

    In this episode of the Skift Travel Podcast, hosts Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko sit down with Steve Hafner, CEO of Kayak, in New York City to discuss this year’s travel Megatrends.

    They start with Skift’s lead Megatrend for 2025: The growing impact of live tourism on travel trends, highlighting how major events like Formula 1 races and Taylor Swift concerts drive significant travel demand, especially in smaller markets. To capitalize on this, Kayak is using AI to anticipate major travel events by creating targeted landing pages that help users easily find relevant travel options. While these events generate substantial interest, Hafner acknowledged the challenge of effectively monetizing event-driven travel and noted that Kayak is still working on fully integrating ticketing with travel planning, including partnerships with platforms like SeatGeek. 

    Another notable trend is the rise of pet-friendly travel, with 6% of Kayak’s searches including pet-friendly filters, showing that travelers are increasingly factoring in their pets when planning trips. Similarly, social media and influencer marketing are becoming critical tools for travel discovery. Kayak is working on a model where influencers can earn commissions when their followers book travel through their recommendations, turning social media into a performance marketing channel. 

    Hafner also addressed the rise of AI-powered search engines like ChatGPT and Gemini, which present both challenges and opportunities for Kayak. As AI increasingly helps users find travel options without visiting traditional search engines, Kayak is working to integrate its services into AI models while maintaining direct user engagement. He noted that Google's shift toward AI-driven search results is reducing organic visibility for travel companies, forcing Kayak to invest more in paid advertising and alternative marketing strategies. 

    International travel demand is also increasing, particularly to Asia (notably Japan), as travelers seek more diverse experiences beyond the U.S. Hafner attributed this trend largely to social media influence, where platforms like TikTok inspire travelers with visually appealing destinations. Despite concerns over crime and Airbnb restrictions, New York City remains a top travel destination, with high demand driving hotel prices up. 

    Looking ahead, Hafner emphasized that Kayak is focusing on improving its mobile app and adapting to AI-driven search trends to stay competitive in an evolving travel landscape. He believes that AI will play a major role in travel booking, with agentic AI potentially automating travel planning and purchases in the near future. As the industry evolves, Kayak is striving to remain a key player by leveraging technology, enhancing user experience, and staying ahead of shifting consumer behaviors.

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    24 January 2025, 1:21 pm
  • 32 minutes 47 seconds
    2025 Travel Outlook: Steady Growth, Consumer Optimism and Industry Shifts

    In this episode of the Skift Travel Podcast, hosts Sarah Kopit and Seth Borko discuss their travel predictions for 2025, reflecting on holiday experiences and the need for a return to routine. They explore consumer spending trends, regional differences in travel priorities, and the impact of social media on travel bookings. The conversation also covers growth in the online travel sector, the hotel industry's revenue projections, and insights from consumer surveys that reveal a strong desire for exploration and travel as a top discretionary expense.

    Takeaways

    • Travel remains a top priority for consumers in 2025.
    • A consumer survey indicated a 9% increase in travel spending.
    • India shows the highest expected growth in travel spending at 14%.
    • Social media is becoming a trusted platform for travel bookings.
    • The online travel sector is projected to grow significantly in 2025.
    • The hotel industry is on track to reach nearly a trillion dollars in revenue.
    • Airlines are expected to see steady growth, with a focus on premium services.
    • Consumer optimism about travel spending is high despite economic uncertainties.
    • Exploring new destinations is a key travel goal for 2025.
    • The travel industry is adapting to changing consumer preferences and behaviors.
    9 January 2025, 10:13 am
  • 47 minutes 22 seconds
    How I Travel: Rafat Ali Featuring Sarah Kopit

    In this episode of Skift's How I Travel series, Skift CEO & Founder, Rafat Ali, interviews Sarah Kopit, Editor-in-Chief of Skift, discussing her personal travel philosophy, habits, and reflections. They explore topics like her transition from fast-paced work life to relaxed, unplugged vacations, her family-oriented travel preferences, her minimalist approach to packing, and her cautious stance on environmental travel. The conversation highlights her upbringing in a travel-loving family, her adventurous pre-kids travel experiences, and her current focus on creating enriching travel experiences for her children.

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    9 January 2025, 10:00 am
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