Our final episode for this season focuses on the campaign to ban the misuse of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) being led by Dr. Julie Macfarlane and Zelda Perkins. Named “Can’t Buy My Silence,” Julie and Zelda’s campaign aims to bring new law into effect in both Canada and the UK to stop victims being forced to exchange their own privacy for protecting their abuser in cases of harassment, discrimination, and bullying, and to stop employers (including schools, universities, and churches as well as both unionized and non-unionized workplaces) using NDAs to secretly “pass-the-trash” to other employers. Julie talks with Dayna about how she and Zelda met and planned the campaign, both motivated by their personal experiences of NDAs: Zelda with the notorious Harvey Weinstein, and Julie who saw a colleague terminated for harassment protected by an NDA (and a letter of recommendation) from the University of Windsor. Stacey Buchholzer, the campaign coordinator, closes out the podcast by reading from a selection of the many stories that have been submitted to the campaign, illustrating the trauma experienced from being first subjected to unfairness and misconduct, and then permanently silenced. The campaign website includes a lot of public legal information about NDAs. You can also listen to Julie’s conversation with Zelda from last season, before they launched their campaign, in which Zelda describes how she broke her NDA with Weinstein and brought this issue into public discussion, which she has continued ever since. In Other News: This week our In Other News Correspondent is Research Assistant Charlotte Sullivan. Charlotte discusses: a Toronto-based legal clinic’s recent challenge against caps on damages awarded in claims involving the Canadian Human Rights Act; and Chief Justice Jacques Fournier of the Québec Superior Court’s recent decision to step down from the bench at the age of 71, and some interesting comments he made regarding access to justice in the COVID-19 pandemic context. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/cant-buy-my-silence/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Charlotte Sullivan; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

In today’s episode, Julie talks to Bernie Mayer and Jackie Font-Guzmán about the ideas they explore in their new book, The Neutrality Trap: Disrupting and Connecting for Social Change (Wiley, 2022). Two long-time mediators and mediation teachers, Bernie and Jackie describe their growing disillusionment with the way mediation is sometimes offered to family and other litigants: as a panacea that will smooth over rough edges and produce an “agreement,” which will be able to resolve underlying differences. Bernie and Jackie both speak to their personal experience of conflicts that reflect larger societal power differences and systems, and reflect on the danger that a more superficial, “make nice” approach reinforces existing inequalities and injustices. Going behind the headlines (“he is a monster!” “she is impossible!”), while messy, uncomfortable, and often worse, can produce a more realistic path for moving forward, and allows each party to explore their own truth. Bernie Mayer was a founding partner of CDR Associates, and has provided conflict intervention for families, communities, universities, corporations, and governmental agencies throughout North America and internationally for over 35 years. Bernie is Emeritus Professor of Negotiation and Conflict Resolution, Creighton University. He has worked in child welfare, mental health, substance abuse treatment, and psychotherapy. His earlier books include: Beyond Neutrality, and The Conflict Paradox. Jackie Font-Guzmán is the inaugural Vice President for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion at Eastern Mennonite University. Previously she was professor of conflict and peacebuilding at Creighton University. Jackie has provided mediation, facilitation, and consulting services to many international and transnational organizations. She previously worked in law and health policy. In Other News: This week our In Other News Correspondent is Research Assistant Charlotte Sullivan. Charlotte discusses: a news release from the Department of Justice on advancing reconciliation through addressing the overrepresentation of Indigenous peoples in the criminal justice system in Canada; and a recent access to justice study showing an exponential increase in dismissals of race-based cases by the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/does-making-nice-make-it-worse/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Charlotte Sullivan; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

The vast majority of self-represented litigants cannot afford full representation in legal services – and yet most of them are continuing to search for assistance that is affordable to them. In this episode, Julie speaks with Marcus Sixta, of CrossRoads Law, about his pioneering legal coaching practice, Coach My Case. Marcus is a leading innovator in the development of legal services that are tailored to client needs and pocket books, such as offering different tiers of assistance and working collaboratively to assess and meet needs. He believes in utilizing the skills of paralegals and lawyers, as well as a range of services, from procedural navigation, to issue identification, to hearings coaching. Leona Harvie, who provides the reflection in this episode, is a former self-represented litigant who now works as a divorce coach, providing support and legal information to family law clients. She can be found at letstalkdivorcecanada.com and on Instagram where her handle is letstalkdivorcecanada. NSRLP has been developing a National Directory of Professionals Assisting Self-Represented Litigants since 2016; it contains the names and details of professionals across the country who offer legal coaching. In Other News: This week our In Other News Correspondent is Research Assistant Charlotte Sullivan. This week Charlotte discusses: the Attorney General of British Columbia announcing new rules of procedure for the British Columbia Court of Appeal; a piece on parental relocation cases in family law; and the controversial Bill 96, recently passed by the National Assembly of Québec. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/you-drive-the-bus-with-a-coach-in-your-corner/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Charlotte Sullivan; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

Since the murder of George Floyd and the emergence of the Black Lives Matter movement there has been a new focus on the development of anti-Black racism training, and education on the impact of racism on our lives, relationships, and beliefs. Moya McAlister and Siddika Jessa are both creating workshops and safe spaces for conversation and education on race and racism. In this episode, Julie asks them how they manage these (often) uncomfortable discussions and interactions in a way that deepens our understanding of our own assumptions and biases, and gives us all the chance to rethink and do better. Moya McAlister is Communications Manager for NSRLP. She is also Board Director of Black Women of Forward Action, a Windsor-based group that advocates for anti-Black racism initiatives at a community and municipal level, and supports Black women entrepreneurs and students. Moya was previously featured in our episode, “Living Black Lives.” Siddika Jessa has also previously taken part in the podcast, for the episode, “The Courage of Your Convictions,” when she described how some members of her community responded to her son’s same-sex marriage. Since then, Siddika has founded WiderLens, which delivers training workshops in the faith community, as well as the corporate and not-for-profit sectors. Wider Lens focuses on training in communication, emotional intelligence, anti-racism, and diversity. In Other News: This week our In Other News Correspondent is Research Assistant Shannon Meikle. This week Shannon discusses: the Ontario government’s plan to combine courthouses in North York, Etobicoke, and Scarborough; an update to the discussion surrounding the LSO’s ability to facilitate justice; and the Ontario Superior Court of Justice’s appointment of three new judges, all women. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/talking-about-racism-is-uncomfortable-and-necessary/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Shannon Meikle; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

This week Julie talks with our new Executive Director, Jennifer Leitch! You can read more about Jennifer on our website, including Moya McAlister’s blog interview with her. That post, as well as today’s episode, delves into why Jennifer made the radical career switch from commercial litigator with a big Bay Street law firm to Access to Justice advocate, and now Director of NSRLP. Jennifer expands on her thinking about the future, both for the legal system and for the NSRLP, and conveys a sense of urgency, practicality, and also, crucially, vision. Jennifer’s conversation with Julie is prefaced by comments from three SRLs (Jennifer Muller, Jeff Rose-Martland, and Karin Turkington) who describe why NSRLP is important, what qualities the Director needs, and what their challenges are likely to be. In Other News: This week our In Other News Correspondent is Research Assistant Shannon Meikle. This week Shannon discusses: a recent article calling for the LSO to be held publicly accountable for its actions, even if that means dissolution or reform; legislation recently passed in the Yukon seeking to improve outcomes for children, youth, and families involved with the child welfare system, as well as address the over-representation of Indigenous children and youth in care; and the province of Manitoba being awarded $1.6 million dollars in funding to implement provisions to make court documents in divorce proceedings available in both official languages. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/nsrlps-new-captain/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Shannon Meikle; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

Following the recent Ontario decision in Ahluwalia, which established a new tort of family violence, this episode explores the work of two women and two organizations working to try to protect victims of violence. Deepa Mattoo, Executive Director of the Barbra Schlifer Commemorative Clinic in Toronto, speaks to Julie about what the Clinic does to serve marginalized and vulnerable women and the range of services they offer to help rebuild lives, as well as her ideas for ways that an over-stretched system could work better and serve more people. Reflecting on Deepa’s interview, Humera Jabir of West Coast LEAF talks about her work on test case litigation and other strategies to try to expand support and legal assistance to those experiencing family violence, especially single parents. In Other News: This week our In Other News Correspondent is Research Assistant Shannon Meikle. This week Shannon discusses: new family law legislation from Nova Scotia, the Superior Court of Justice announcement about a partial in-person return to court hearings for family lawyers, and Chief Justice Richard Wagner’s statement that he’s “enormously preoccupied” with the access to justice issues that arise out of Canadians being forced to self-represent at the Supreme Court. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/confronting-family-violence/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Shannon Meikle; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

Ilana Luther is the Director of our newest chapter, NSRLP East, based in the Schulich School of Law, Dalhousie University in Halifax. NSRLP East has been in existence for just under a year, but has already achieved a lot (check out their website!) and is reaching out to SRLs across Atlantic Canada in order to highlight their particular issues and challenges. Ilana is an Advisory Board member for the national NSRLP organization, and works closely with national staff to plan and prioritize goals and strategies. This conversation introduces listeners to Ilana, and her commitment to policy reform after beginning in legal practice and becoming disillusioned with, as she puts it, “pushing people through a broken system.” Ilana describes how she first recognized the disconnect between system and users when she worked in child protection; she has since gone on to work in many areas of law reform as the Director of the Access to Justice and Law Reform Institute, adding Director of NSRLP East to her busy resume in the summer of 2021. We’re excited to introduce you to Ilana and to NSRLP East! In Other News: This week our In Other News Correspondent is Research Assistant Charlotte Sullivan. Charlotte discusses: a piece from the Law Times on the recent debate in Ontario regarding a minimum wage for articling students; a story from the Lawyer’s Daily on a historic first at the Supreme Court of Canada: an intervention by Nunavut Legal Aid; and a story from Slaw about a new tort of family violence in Ontario following the ground-breaking case of Ahluwalia v Ahluwalia. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/proudly-introducing-nsrlp-east/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Charlotte Sullivan; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

This episode of Jumping Off the Ivory Tower features Julie’s conversation with Teresa Donnelly, the Treasurer of the Law Society of Ontario and the leader of Ontario’s legal profession elected by its “Convocation” or parliament. Teresa has a background as a prosecutor with the Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General, where she was a member of the Sexual Violence Advisory Group whose work focused on sexual violence prosecutions and on improving the victim’s experience in the criminal justice system. Her commitment to a fairer criminal justice system and her consciousness of the impact of trauma on mental health – for lawyers as well as survivors of violence – are reflected both in her conversation with Julie and in her priorities as Treasurer. Teresa is also the leader of the Ontario profession at a time where there is a special focus on regulation, and some moves towards expansion of licensing: a sandbox for innovative tech legal services, paralegals offering some family services alongside lawyers (the subject of ongoing argument and resistance from the Family Bar), and just what the role of the regulator should be in controlling the space in which legal services are offered. In Other News: Welcome to another new Other News “correspondent”: NSRLP Research Assistant and law student Shannon Meikle! This week Shannon discusses: a new Family Violence law tort that has been established at the Ontario Superior Court thanks to an SRL who argued she deserved additional damages for the spousal abuse she suffered throughout her marriage; and, a new petition before the House of Commons that seeks to hold judges accountable for their mistakes. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/leading-the-ontario-legal-profession/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Shannon Meikle; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

Welcome to season 7 of Jumping Off the Ivory Tower! For our season opener, (and our 75th episode!) we’re featuring a conversation with three Law Practice Program candidates – “almost” lawyers – who, along with their classmates, participated in two extended sessions with a group of almost 20 self-represented litigants in the fall of 2021. This was NSRLP’s first in-school program to include self-reps in a small group, discussion-based exploration of their experiences in the legal system. Judging by the comments of both the candidates and the self-reps, the program (developed by NSRLP along with Chris Bentley, LPP Director), was an outstanding success. Julie’s conversation with Jesse Frohlich, Laurene Williams and Zainab Asadullah reveals the insights and new understandings they discovered as a result of their structured conversations with up to four different self-reps. In Other News: Welcome to one of our new Other News “correspondents,” NSRLP Research Assistant and law student Charlotte Sullivan! This week Charlotte discusses: a piece from the Law Times on expanding access to remote hearing technologies; and the recent proposal by the Law Society of Ontario to expand Family Legal Services Provider Licences to paralegals for certain specified services. (Unlike Ms. Boulby, NSRLP supports this proposal. We have posted extensively about this issue – see below for links to more information.) For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/a-new-generation-of-lawyers/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Charlotte Sullivan; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

Today’s season finale was a labour of love! Working with guests ages 4 and up is, well, challenging, for both interviewer (Julie) and production editor (Brauntë). But it was well worth it! For this episode, Julie talked with Ryann, Quinlan, Ava, Wyatt, Ezzo, and Jennah (occasionally interrupted by younger sister Emma), along with their moms (who we tried to keep out of the conversation…) about whether they could remember before the pandemic (no, or only sort-of), what it’s like to wear a mask all the time, how online schooling can be both fun and frustrating (mostly frustrating), and what it’s like to spend all day every day at home with your parents and siblings. Julie also talked with 12-year-old Uma for a more measured, reflective take on the same questions. For our outro, we asked Jennifer Muller, an NSRLP Advisory Board member, past podcast guest (in fact, Jennifer kicked off this season, and she was our first ever podcast guest!), and access to justice advocate, to comment on what the kids said about their experience of lockdown and pandemic . Jennifer is also a K-12 schools counsellor for the North Vancouver School Board and has been listening to kids talk about the pandemic and its impact on them for the past 16 months. We had a lot of fun making this podcast and we hope you enjoy these authentic childrens’ voices telling it like it is! In Other News: The wonderful Jordan Furlong (legal markets analyst and former podcast guest) wraps up Other News this season on a positive note with a roundup of encouraging stories from around the access to justice sphere, including an innovation sandbox, a Truth and Reconciliation initiative, and the nomination of Justice Mahmud Jamal to the Supreme Court. For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/a-kids-eye-view-of-the-pandemic/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Jordan Furlong; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.

Today’s podcast focuses on the experiences of people with cognitive disabilities (PWCD) who are trying to navigate the courts without a lawyer. Since the beginning of the pandemic, we have heard increasingly from SRLs with cognitive disabilities about their lack of accommodation from the courts. It seemed that the accommodation processes in place – for example in Ontario, via an Accessibility Co-ordinator in each courthouse – had broken down. SRLs described making applications for accommodations in open court, disclosing private medical information to the other side, and having to “duke it out” over necessary accommodations to enable them to meaningfully participate in their own case. In preparation for Julie’s recent presentation to the Ontario Courts Accessibility Committee, chaired by Associate Chief Justice Fairburn, on this topic, two NSRLP research assistants, Silvia Battaglia and Shannon Meikle, reached out to SRLs with cognitive disabilities and asked them to speak about their experiences seeking court accommodations. They discovered that almost all the SRLs were unaware of the presence of Accessibility Coordinators in their courthouses, or the process for requesting accommodations before a hearing. Their descriptions of feeling like there was no one to help them are captured in excerpts from the interviews, recorded with their permission. Their experiences are shocking and heartbreaking, and frustrating, since there is a process for seeking accommodations that is intended to be private, responsive, and to remove such requests from an adversarial setting. The problem? Almost no one knows about it, or how to use it. This episode also uses a short clip from a podcast recorded in 2017 with Judy Gayton, an SRL whose devastating experience in the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench was covered by CBC, and who describes graphically and poignantly the impact of her brain injury on her cognitive processing. In Other News: Guest Other News Correspondent Katie Pfaff today focuses on access to justice for Indigenous people in Canada. In the wake of the discovery of the graves of 215 Indigenous children at the Kamloops residential school, Chief Justice Richard Wagner states that there must be more education for the bench to understand Indigenous history and the histories of other cultures and communities. Katie’s second news story focuses on a settlement reached to include hundreds Indigenous people who were left out of the residential schools' class action compensation protocols. We would also encourage our listeners to read Windsor Law Acting Dean Beverly Jacobs’ recent piece in The Conversation, “Investigate discovery of 215 children’s graves in Kamloops as a crime against humanity.” For related links and more on this episode visit our website: https://representingyourselfcanada.com/struggling-for-accommodation/ Jumping Off the Ivory Tower is produced and hosted by Julie Macfarlane and Dayna Cornwall; production and editing by Brauntë Petric; Other News produced and hosted by Katie Pfaff; promotion by Moya McAlister and the NSRLP team.