#713 Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/713 

Presented by: Yellowstone Teton Territory

Scott Reimer, head guide at The Lodge at Palisades Creek, shares invaluable insights into the unique mutant Stonefly hatch, one of the most fascinating hatches in the Western fly fishing scene.

Throughout the episode, you will be guided through the South Fork of the Snake, learning not only where and when to fish a double dry fly setup but also mastering the art of reading water and setting the hook. Whether you're an avid fly fishing enthusiast or a curious beginner, Scott's tips on drift boat fishing and exploring small creeks will equip you with the tools to enhance your fly fishing adventures.

Episode Chapters with Scott Reimer on The Lodge at Palisades Creek

2:07 - Scott recalls his first encounter with fly fishing in the Black Hills of South Dakota, where he received his first fly rod at the age of four or five. Encouraged by his father, who was an avid fly fisherman, Scott honed his skills in the backyard with a makeshift target practice involving a piece of pipe cleaner and a trash can lid.

4:23 - Scott discusses the guiding season, which typically begins in April when he starts assisting at the fly shop and occasionally running trips, depending on the weather and interest from clients. The main focus of their guiding is on the South Fork of the Snake River, as they hold a permit that allows them to operate there exclusively due to Idaho's strict regulations.

6:34 - We discuss the geography of the area, noting the confluence of the South Fork and Henry's Fork, which marks the beginning of the main Snake River. Scott clarifies that American Falls is approximately 60 to 70 river miles from this confluence.

9:19 - Our chat delves into the impact of hatches on fishing success. Scott explains that fish behavior is closely tied to these natural events, influencing when and where they bite. While some hatches are predictable, others have become less prolific, affecting fishing strategies.

10:02 - Scott shares his journey and experiences as a guide at the lodge, where he has been working for 12 years. He recounts his early days on the river, starting with his first drift boat, an older Clackacraft he acquired at the age of 18. Despite its imperfect condition, with visible repairs and missing parts, it served its purpose and floated well.

12:06 - He discusses the various hatches that anglers eagerly anticipate throughout the fishing season. He mentions the early spring betas, noting that while trout don't often feed on them from the surface, streamer fishing can be effective during this period. As the season progresses into mid-June, anglers can expect a short but excellent green Drake hatch, primarily on the lower river.

13:11 - Scott explains his approach to determining fishing techniques, often starting with a dry dropper setup and adjusting based on fish activity. He shares a memorable experience from the previous season, where he successfully used double dry fly setups for several weeks following the salmon fly hatch, with fish heavily focused on caddis patterns. This technique involved using different sizes and patterns of caddis flies for effective fishing.

14:07 - We get into his double dry fly set up. Scott explains the strategy behind using a larger, more visible dry fly alongside a smaller, less visible one to keep track of potential bites while fishing from a boat. This setup helps maintain visibility and improve the chances of a catch.

18:09 - Scott talks about the logistics and characteristics of the sections near Palisades Dam. He explains that the fishing area is divided into four sections, covering approximately 66 river miles down to Menan. The colder waters from the dam influence the timing of hatches, with the upper section starting later than the lower sections.

19:40 - He shares some essential tips for fishing from a drift boat, especially focusing on the South Fork. As a rower, his primary role is to maintain the drift and guide anglers on when to recast. He advises keeping a 45-degree forward casting angle to maximize success, as casting behind the boat is less effective. Scott notes that on the South Fork, long casts are unnecessary because shorter casts near the boat can be just as fruitful.

21:11 - We discuss how the salmon fly hatch typically occurs in July, followed by the appearance of golden stones, which progress from the lower river upwards. Scott reminisces about a particularly good salmon fly hatch, recalling fishing well into August with these flies. As the season progresses, anglers can expect a variety of mayflies such as PMDs, sulfur duns, and mahogany duns, especially on overcast days.

Towards the end of August, the unique mutant stonefly emerges which are best fished in the early morning. Scott shares the excitement of early morning fishing programs, where anglers start at dawn to target these skittering insects using patterns like Dornan's Water Walker.

23:16 - Scott shares insights into the best fishing practices, emphasizing the importance of water temperature and timing. He recommends fishing with stonefly nymphs, such as patched rubber legs, when water temperatures approach 50 degrees, just before the hatch. This period, often in June, is prime for targeting stonefly nymphs before the larger hatch in July.

28:20 - The conversation highlights the differences between the rivers, with the Henry's Fork experiencing hatches earlier due to its status as a tailwater.

32:30 - Scott shares that Henry Winkler and his wife Stacy are frequent visitors to the area, with Stacy often being guided by Scott himself. They fish separately to enjoy the prime position at the front of the boat, which is typically the best spot because guides naturally focus on the forward drift. This strategy gives the angler in the front the first opportunity at the catch, especially effective when using a double dry fly setup.

37:32 - Scott shares insights into techniques, particularly when navigating new water or changing conditions. He emphasizes the importance of adapting techniques based on the fish's behavior and water conditions. He advises getting the fly close to the bank, especially when fishing with a single dry fly, as fish might be hiding in submerged grass. However, after certain hatches, fish tend to move to seam lines, making a dry dropper setup more effective.

Scott suggests adjusting your approach if fish are not biting, such as changing the depth or the type of flies used. He describes using a double dropper setup, with a big dry fly and a couple of feet to the first dropper, and even adding an unweighted pheasant tail nymph if necessary. He notes that fish behavior can change rapidly, sometimes overnight, requiring anglers to frequently modify their strategies to find success.

39:09 - Scott highlights the significance of local fly shops, such as the Swan Valley, for current fishing insights and guidance.

41:15 - We ask how anglers can avoid missing strikes when fishing with a nymph. Scott emphasizes the importance of setting the hook frequently, noting that "sets are free." He advises that if something seems suspicious with the dry fly, anglers should set the hook without hesitation. Treating the set like a recast means they won't lose much time, and although it might not always be a fish, there's always the possibility that it is.

44:40 - Scott shares his bucket list trips, highlighting New Zealand and Patagonia as top destinations for their exotic fishing opportunities, including the elusive peacock bass.

45:00 - The conversation shifts to Scott's personal experiences with steelhead fishing. He frequently spends time at the Clearwater and Salmon Rivers, with both offering unique challenges and rewards.

47:46 - We talk about the logistics and planning required if you're planning to fish during the prime salmon fly hatch season on the South Fork of the Snake River. Below are some key things to remember:

1. Lodging Guest Advantage: Guests staying at lodges have booking priority. They can reserve trips up to a year in advance when they are checking out, ensuring their spot for the next season.
2. Day Trip Bookings: While day trips are available, they typically fill in the gaps left by lodging guests. Booking for day trips usually opens in April, and availability is limited.
3. Guide Preferences: Lodging guests have the flexibility to select their preferred guides. Day trip customers, however, might need to go with whichever guide is available at the time of their booking.

49:18 - Scott walks us through their lodge. The lodge is set on a 26-acre property featuring a private pond stocked with large trout, fed by a spring creek that runs through the grounds. Guests can stay in various cabins, including a unique cabin with a porch extending over the river, providing an exceptional view. They offer dining with breakfast and dinner, and guests have access to a dedicated staff ensuring a great experience with cocktails and excellent food.

53:08 - We ask some random questions such as his music preference, restaurant recommendations, among others. Scott shares his favorite local restaurants like the SnakeBite and Sandpiper for good meals after a day of fishing. He also highlights the Mountain America Center, which hosts events like hockey games and concerts. Scott mentions enjoying hard rock and metal music, specifically naming Kingdom of Giants as a favorite band.

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Presented By: FishHound Expeditions, Jackson Hole Fly Company, Four Wheel Campers, Togiak River Lodge

We have a special episode for you where we dig into the art of fly fishing and fly casting straight from the heartland with our guest Marty McVey. We're gonna get into some on his journey from bait fisherman into fly fisherman, and now a respected fly casting instructor. We find out about the hidden gems of Iowa and some of the great opportunities in the Driftless. We talk about how Marty became a casting instructor and elevated his game. We get into some tips and tricks on that too, to help you with your game and your fly casting today. Marty does some casting instruction online as well. And then we're gonna talk about this challenge. We got a little fly-casting challenge I have for you at the end. I'm excited to start getting this one out there.

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Presented By:  

Pescador on the Fly, TroutRoutes, On DeMark Lodge, Four Wheel Campers

When you think of a predatory fish, what are the first few species that come to mind? For many anglers, Northern Pike is among the most thrilling predators to catch. If fishing for northern pike is on your radar, today’s episode is a must-listen.

In this episode, we will break down sight fishing for Northern Pike with Matt Martin of Smooth River Guide. Find out his secrets to targeting big Northern Pike by sight. Here's what you'll learn:

Muskie vs Pike 

Best time to target Northern Pike

Sight Fishing Northern Pike 

How to Find Pike in Shallow Bays

Best Flies (and color) for Northern Pike Fishing 

The perfect strip, and when the fish strike

Episode Chapters with Matt Martin on Sight Fishing for Northern Pike

Matt Martin grew up in Barrie, Ontario, and now lives in Midland, a town on the shores of Georgian Bay. Georgian Bay is known as the 30,000 Islands region. It's the world's largest freshwater archipelago.

Matt guides on over 50 lakes and a dozen rivers, targeting 14 different species. Northern Pike is definitely a top species to target, but it can still vary depending on where you are in the province. 

Here’s a breakdown of the species you can fish in the area: 

Smallmouth and Largemouth Bass  

Northern Pike – Pike season runs from May to June and then again in September.

Walleye

Muskie 

Chinook Salmon

Coho

Rainbow Trout 

Steelhead

Brown Trout 

Muskie vs Pike 

Unlike pike, which are easier to catch, muskies are tough. You might not even see one all day, and the chances of getting a hit are low. Muskies are more challenging to catch because they have a lower population and a bigger home range. 

For those who want to target muskie, Matt recommends booking more than one day to increase your chances.

Best Time to Go Fishing for Northern Pike 

The best time for northern pike fishing is in the spring. The season opens on May 1st in Ontario, and that’s when pike are easiest to catch. Here's why:

In the first week of May, pike can be found in less than two feet of water, sunbathing in sandy bottom bays.

The main lake water is still cold (around 42-43°F), but the back bays warm up to the 50s. Pike use the warmer water to increase their metabolism.

According to Matt, sight fishing for pike is a whole new level of fun. 

Sight Fishing for Northern Pike 

Matt uses an 18-foot Lund Deep V fishing boat for sight fishing. He says it's perfect for the larger lakes, especially when the waves get rough. Matt uses advanced gear like a Minn Kota motor and Garmin LiveScope to spot pike before casting. 

Fishing for Northern Pike in Shallow Bays

In the spring, focus on large, warm bays, especially those near river mouths. These areas draw pike because they offer the perfect hiding spots in weeds or along logs, where pike can ambush prey. Pike are ambush predators, so they wait below the surface to attack.

When fishing for pike, Matt says to keep your fly around 2 to 4 feet above the fish because pike strike from below. 

Best Flies for Fishing Northern Pike 

Matt prefers using bright, easy-to-see flies when fishing for pike, especially in spring. He avoids natural tones and uses colors like white, yellow, or bright pink. 

The key is using flies that mimic the white belly of baitfish. Pike are drawn to movement, so keep that fly above them and use a strip to get their attention.

Stripping Your Fly for Pike

The way you strip your fly is crucial for catching pike. Most strikes happen during the pause between strips, not while you're actively moving the fly. 

For some flies, like the Game Changer, Matt recommends a quick, short strip with a half-second pause to let the fly sink a bit. 

Other flies like the Yard Sale need a longer strip with a hard kick at the end to make the fly wobble like an injured fish.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEUP5cEOB6M

Essential Gear for Catching Big Northern Pike

Pike can be super aggressive, so it’s key to be prepared with the right gear to protect you and the fish. Here are some things to remember when fishing for Northern Pike:  

Use a large, deep net to keep the fish in the water while you unhook it.

Have multiple sets of tools like jaw spreaders and pliers for safe handling.

Protect the fish to make sure they’re safely released after catching them. 

Pike can live up to 20–25 years in the wild. Matt says it’s okay to keep smaller ones (around 27 inches), but those big 40-inch fish should go back in the water.  If you keep one, make sure it’s injured and can’t survive being released.

Matt's Go-to Tips for Fishing for Northern Pike 

Start in Shallow Bays 

Bring Multiple Rods and Lines 

Use 8-10 weight rods and carry lines with different sinking rates: floating, intermediate, type 3, and type 5.

Add a 12-inch section of 20-25 lb bite wire to your leader.

Short Leaders Work Best

Use Durable Pike Lines

 Focus on bays with creeks, green weeds, and the right structure.

Matt’s final advice? Stick with it and have faith—pike are

  Show Notes:  https://wetflyswing.com/711

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Presented by: Heated Core

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/heatedcore 

In this episode, we delve into innovative solutions for extreme cold weather with Amber Liljestrand from Heated Core. Join us as we explore how Heated Core's cutting-edge carbon fiber technology is transforming heated apparel, making it more efficient and user-friendly than ever before.

Amber shares her journey into the world of outdoor gear, discussing how her passion for bow hunting and fishing led her to the brand. Discover how these revolutionary base layers allow you to control your comfort at the touch of a button, turning on the heat just when you need it most. Additionally, Amber provides valuable tips on staying warm during cold weather adventures, even beyond the use of heated gear. Tune in to learn more about Heated Core’s journey and find inspiration for your next winter adventure.

Episode Chapters with Amber Liljestrand on High-Performance Heated Apparel

2:28 - Amber shares how her passion for outdoor activities started. It began with fishing with her grandparents and expanded to kayaking and paddle boarding. Despite her love for summer, she ventured into deer hunting, a cold-weather activity, which introduced her to the challenge of staying warm while being stationary outdoors.

5:29 - She talks about how she discovered Heated Core. Their products, which provide direct warmth through battery-operated heating, transformed her outdoor experiences.

9:33 - Amber describes some of their heated clothing pieces that include a long sleeve top, a vest, and full pants, resembling thermal or base layers. These garments incorporate undetectable carbon fiber heating elements woven into the fabric, providing even heat distribution without hot spots.

15:14 - We explore the features and future possibilities of the brand. Amber mentions potential development of full footed leggings with heating elements for toes as a future option. She also notes that the heating system is designed for flexibility, allowing users to turn it on when they begin to feel cold and off as they warm up through activity. The heating elements can last up to six hours on low settings.

19:19 - Amber shares her strategy of only activating the heated layer when she starts feeling cold, using it as a backup to extend her time outdoors comfortably. This approach helps prevent common issues hunters face, such as cutting hunts short due to cold or missing shots because of tense, shaking muscles. She also emphasizes the versatility of their products, noting its usefulness not only in hunting but also in various activities like skiing, attending sporting events, or even simple tasks like shoveling snow.

23:16 - Amber shares tips on staying warm in cold weather, emphasizing the importance of layering. She explains that layers of air trapped between clothing help retain warmth, and it's crucial to choose layers with thermal regulating properties to prevent restriction. Amber suggests adding insulative layers like puffy jackets or fleece to trap additional warmth.

For outer protection, Amber advises using durable shells that are either waterproof or windproof, depending on the weather conditions. These outer layers, often made with advanced materials, allow moisture to escape while protecting against external elements.

27:25 - Amber discusses the gear from Pnuma Outdoors, highlighting its affordability and technical features. She emphasizes the versatility and fit of Pnuma's clothing, particularly noting how well they fit women despite not being specifically designed for them. She praises the cohesive layering system that caters to different hunting environments and activities.

31:54 - We get into Amber's journey into outdoor activities and hunting. Amber shares that she initially engaged in summer outdoor activities and only began hunting four years ago after moving to the Midwest.

35:39 - Amber shares an experience about taking her son hunting, where they encountered a bobcat that approached their blind so closely it brushed against it.

37:50 - She talks about the differences between bow hunting and rifle hunting, highlighting the advantages of the former. Amber explains that bow hunting in the Midwest offers a longer season, from mid-September to mid-January, compared to the 10-day rifle season. She also shares her personal experiences with bow hunting, noting the flexibility and creativity it allows for practice.

50:07 - Amber highlights the product's benefits for construction workers, police officers, and mail carriers who endure cold conditions as part of their jobs. At a recent trade show, there was notable interest from cyclists and motorcycle riders, who appreciate the product's ability to provide warmth without compromising mobility or protective gear.

54:06 - We ask about her hunting activities in January. Amber explains that while the hunting season ends on January 15th, shed hunting begins immediately after. Shed hunting involves searching for antlers like an Easter egg hunt, while also serving as post-season scouting.

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Presented By: Fish The Fly, Heated Core, Yellowstone Teton Territory, FishHound Expeditions

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors

We've talked a lot about the action of the fly rod and the benefits of a full flexing rod over the last few months and beyond. Bamboo rods are the epitome of a rod you can feel. And today you're gonna find out how to choose your next bamboo fly rod...

Chris Sparkman is here today, founder and owner of Sparchimedes Bamboo Fly Rods. He's gonna take us on a journey to choosing your first or maybe your next bamboo fly rod. We're gonna find out why the five-sighted Penta style bamboo rod might be better for you than the Hexa style. We're gonna get some information on the differences there, and we're gonna talk about the perfect length of a bamboo fly rod. We're gonna walk through what it might look like for you and your area, and why you might go with a nine-foot or maybe even a six-foot bamboo rod. We're also gonna get into some great resources if you wanna take this conversation further and some other people you might want to connect with to put together your next bamboo rod. Plus, we're gonna find out whether a bamboo fly rod has what it takes to battle a giant Alaskan salmon. Chris is gonna talk about some trips he's excited about this year.

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Presented By:  TroutRoutes, On DeMark Lodge, Stonefly Nets, Grand Teton Fly Fishing

If you want to have more success fly fishing lakes, you need a good understanding of how lakes work—knowing how lakes work helps you get to the right spot at the right time, no matter the season.

You’ve probably heard the saying that 90% of the fish live in 10% of the water,  and it’s true for lakes just like rivers and streams!

In this two-part series on how lakes work, Phil Rowley and Brian Chan break down everything you need to know about fishing lakes effectively.

About our Guest  

Brian has spent over 30 years as a fisheries biologist for the provincial government, specializing in managing trout lakes in the interior regions of British Columbia. Over the years, he worked on hundreds of lakes, managing them, stocking them, setting regulations, and carrying out habitat protection and enhancement work.

Brian is also an ambassador for several fly fishing and boating companies, including Scientific Anglers, Sage Fly Rods, Islander Reels, Marlin Boats, Semperfli Fly Tying Materials, and Daiichi Hooks.

He is a passionate fly fisher and fly designer, and together with Phil, they’ve put their expertise to good use through their online fly shop.

Check out Brian and Phil's Stillwater Fly Fishing Store. 

Episode Chapters with Brian Chan on How Lakes Work

Lakes aren’t all the same, and knowing how they work is key to becoming a better stillwater angler. Here’s what you’ll learn in this episode:

Lake Productivity and pH

Three Lake Classifications

Different Zones in a Lake

Lake Productivity and pH

pH is a scale that measures how acidic or alkaline a lake is, with 1 being super acidic and 14 being super alkaline. The pH level affects the water chemistry, impacting how well the lake supports aquatic life, from insects to fish.

What’s the Ideal pH for Trout Lakes?

The best pH for trout lakes is between 8 and 9.2. This is the sweet spot for plant growth and lots of invertebrates, which are food for trout. If the pH exceeds 9.2, the water becomes too salty for trout, and it would not be easy for them to survive. 

For example, lakes like Pyramid Lake have a pH above 9, which is perfect for Lahontan cutthroat trout but challenging for rainbow trout. The pH scale is logarithmic, meaning small changes in pH can make a big difference in fish survival. 

Brian explains that pH levels in lakes aren’t always the same and can change over time due to several factors: 

Spring snowmelt helps keep lakes balanced by flushing in nutrients, but the lake can get too salty without it.

Human activities like logging can change water flow and impact the lake’s chemistry.

Climate change is also a significant factor, as some areas aren’t getting the same snowmelt they used to, causing pH to rise. 

Marl and Chara Shoal

How Lakes Work: Three Lake Classifications

Lakes can be divided into three categories: oligotrophic, mesotrophic, and eutrophic. These classifications help us understand which lakes are better for fishing and support healthy fish populations. 

Knowing the type of lake helps anglers figure out why one lake might be an excellent spot for big trout, and another might not be as productive.

Oligotrophic Lakes

Oligotrophic lakes are big, deep, and well-oxygenated, with lots of water flowing in and out. The flushing rate in these lakes is high, meaning the water changes quickly, so there isn’t much shallow water for plants to grow. 

Because of this, these lakes have limited food sources for trout. Fish here mostly survive by eating other fish, not just insects.

Mesotrophic Lakes

Mesotrophic lakes are a step up from oligotrophic lakes in terms of productivity. They’re still large but a bit shallower, and they often have small rivers or creeks flowing in and out. The lake has a bit more shoal areas or littoral zones, so some plant life grows in those shallow water areas.

Eutrophic Lakes

Eutrophic lakes are the gold standard when it comes to trout fishing. They’re shallow, nutrient-rich, and full of life. These lakes are often less than 50-60 feet deep and have lots of shallow areas for plants to grow. 

These lakes' flushing rate is slow, so they stay nutrient-rich for longer. Chironomid fishing is also incredible here due to the muddy bottoms. 

Different Zones in a Lake

Lakes have different zones, and understanding them helps anglers know where to fish at various times of the year. 

 Littoral Zone

The littoral zone, or shoal area, is the shallow water at the lake's edge. This is where sunlight can penetrate to the bottom to create photosynthesis. It’s usually 7 to 8 meters deep. 

 The littoral zone is where all the vegetation grows and where trout and other fish species feed, particularly in the spring to early summer and again in the fall, right until freeze-up.

This is the zone where we spend the bulk of our fishing time—whether it's 5 feet of water or 22, 23 feet of water—this is the prime area.

 Limnetic Zone

The limnetic zone is the open water area in the middle of the lake, just beyond the littoral zone. Here, sunlight still penetrates, but it doesn’t reach the bottom. This means there’s no vegetation growing like in the shallows, but it’s still a prime habitat for zooplankton, which trout love to eat.

Although this zone has less food diversity, the zooplankton and deep-water hatches make it an essential spot for fish. In the warmer months, fish move out of the shallow water and into the limnetic zone, where the oxygen levels are better and the water is cooler. This is when fishing techniques like using blob patterns can be incredibly effective. 

Thermocline 

The thermocline is a transition layer between the warm upper water and cooler deeper water. It’s usually a narrow band, about a meter in depth, where there's a sudden drop in temperature. 

The thermocline keeps the colder water from mixing with the warmer water, which is why the deeper parts of the lake stay cool and oxygenated. Fish often move from the shallow waters to sit just above the thermocline, where they find cooler water and better oxygen levels, especially during hot summer months.

Profundal Zone

Beneath the thermocline in deeper lakes, there’s another zone called the hypolimnion, the cold, deep water layer. It's the bottom part of the lake that remains cool and doesn’t mix with the warmer upper waters

Remember, all lakes are different, but understanding lake structure makes your fishing day more successful and enjoyable!   Show Notes:  https://wetflyswing.com/708

Show Notes:  https://wetflyswing.com/707 

Presented by: Pescador on the Fly, FishHound Expeditions, Four Wheel Campers

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors 

In this episode, we are thrilled to have Mitch and Aldo, the dynamic duo behind the renowned So Fly Fishing podcast, one of Canada's top fly fishing shows.

Join us as Mitch and Aldo take us on a journey through Southern Ontario's stunning waters and beyond. They'll share captivating stories from their podcast, offering insights into their favorite trips and the incredible guests they've hosted. Whether you're planning your next big adventure or simply dreaming of the perfect fly fishing escape, Mitch and Aldo are here to provide inspiration and expert advice.

Episode Chapters with Mitch Duesling and Aldo Pescatore-Tardioli on the So Fly Fishing Podcast

1:28 - I had the pleasure to guest on their podcast in April last year about starting and sustaining a fly fishing podcast.

3:44 - We started our chat by getting into their creative journey in the podcasting space. Mitch reflects on the origins of their project, which began as an idea in 2015 and launched its first episode in January 2016. Mitch notes the rise of the creator culture, observing that even young family members aspire to be creators now.

Aldo recalls joining the podcast as a guest on an episode and later becoming a co-host. The team experienced a shift in their production schedule during the Covid lockdown, initially increasing their output to one episode per week due to having more free time. Eventually, they settled into a rhythm of releasing two episodes per month, which they find to be a balanced and sustainable approach.

6:52 - We talk about fishing in Ontario. Mitch and Aldo discuss how Ontario offers a wide range of fishing opportunities due to its large size and diverse ecosystems, from Southern Ontario to the far north. They note that while they have traveled globally, Ontario remains a prime fishing destination for them. Aldo mentions the multi-species fishing opportunities, including smallmouth bass, pike, and musky, particularly in Ottawa. He also remarks on the less populated areas of the province, which offer remote fishing experiences.

9:51 - Aldo shares that time when a listener's invitation led them to Texas for redfishing, highlighting the exciting and memorable experiences that result from this kind of trips. Both Mitch and Aldo emphasize the importance of being open to opportunities and seizing them when they arise.

13:29 - Mitch discusses the shift from audio-only content to video podcasts on YouTube. He notes that more people are engaging with their content on YouTube, likely due to the visual component that video offers. Despite this shift, creating video content presents challenges, such as ensuring guests have the necessary technology to participate visually.

16:00 - We discuss the excitement of having well-known guests on the show, particularly those outside the fly fishing community. They recount a near-success in booking actor Liam Neeson, who declined their invitation but showed interest initially. They dream of featuring other famous personalities, focusing solely on their fishing experiences rather than their celebrity status.

18:39 - I mention our episodes with Yvon Chouinard and Henry Winkler.

19:13 - The hosts discuss their experiences with receiving negative comments or "hate mail" after podcast episodes. Mitch and Aldo acknowledge that early on, they received criticism for swearing too much, which they have since reduced.

21:19 - Aldo and Mitch reveal how they plan and produce their episodes. They rely on a network of sponsors, fly shops, guides, and local connections to secure guests, aiming to maintain a balance between international content and local stories from Ontario.

24:25 - We ask them about their plans for this year. One of the highlights is a trip to Belize in February, where they'll be exploring Ambergris Caye and San Pedro with a mix of DIY adventures and guided tours. Another major milestone for the team is the upcoming 200th episode of their podcast, which they are thrilled about.

26:28 - They share about an annual event called the Southern Ontario Trout Opener Social in April. It serves as a fundraiser aiming to support local river conservation efforts. The event features a cocktail party setup with around 150 attendees, including tying competitions where participants can win a day with a guide. The event has been running for four years and was designed to attract both fishing enthusiasts and non-fishers.

30:25 - Our conversation discusses potential guests and episodes for this year. Aldo expresses a strong interest in having Andy Mill on the show. He admires Andy's work and has been an avid listener of the Mill House podcast, which captures the allure of saltwater fishing.

35:33 - We dig into Aldo's first time travelling to Belize. Mitch also shares his favorite fishing trip so far which was in a river in Northern Ontario because of the available fish species and wild life there.

45:14 - Aldo raises a concern about the potential apprehension of having earlier episodes of their podcast accessible to listeners, particularly if they might not reflect the current quality or style.

46:34 - They share their favorite podcasts. Mitch highlights "Design Matters" with Debbie Millman as his favorite podcast. He praised Debbie's interviewing style, noting her ability to keep conversations engaging and forward-moving.

Aldo recommends "Pivot" with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway. He explains that the podcast explores the intersection of business, technology, and everyday life. Aldo appreciates the hosts' approach, as they avoid talking down to listeners.

49:22 - Mitch shares the inspiration behind starting a podcast, highlighting his love for radio and conversation. His interest sparked from listening to "The Ricky Gervais Show," which he considers one of the best podcasts due to its humor and engaging content.

51:40 - We ask for the story about the title of their podcast, So Fly.

52:48 - We share a story about our family's recent trip to Anchorage, Alaska with the team of Fishhound Expeditions. We travelled in our amazing pop up camper from Four Wheel Campers.

56:17 - We ask some random questions like their go-to YouTube channel and podcast platform.

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Presented By: Grand Teton Fly Fishing, Skwala, Yellowstone Teton Territory, Four Wheel Campers

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If you only had one shot to hook that trophy fish while on the water, could you make it? You had one chance to make that perfect cast, that the fish sees it and hooks up. Today we're heading to South Carolina to find out how you can put it together for Redfish so you can make that shot next time you are on the water.

Johnny Mainero from Blackwater Revival Guide Service is gonna take us on a trip to understand redfish, the history, and the experience. You're gonna find out when you should be planning your next trip, what you should be thinking about, and what to avoid. You're gonna find out how to find the fish and position yourself for success and his take on the best rod to use for Redfish. And a little hint here... this is not a super-fast action rod. Plus, you're gonna find out why he's adding sharks to his program potentially in the coming years. Stay tuned!

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In this episode, host Dave talks with Glade Gunther, a member of Team USA and the person in charge of organizing a major event in Fly Fishing, to share what’s planned and how people can join in the fun.

Dave and Glade will tell you all about the famous rivers in Idaho, how the event works, and even give some helpful fishing tips. Whether you want to watch the competition, volunteer, or just become a better fisher, this episode has everything you need to know!

1:09 - From casting simple spinners as a child to learning the art of fly fishing as a teenager, Glade Gunther's journey reflects the timeless appeal of fishing as both a personal pastime and a shared experience.

5:15 - Glade shares how today Fly Fishing Team USA continues to grow, selecting top anglers every two years based on a points system. Glade explains how recent changes have made it easier for people to participate, and how the team is now made up of the best 15 anglers in the country.

7:28 - After COVID paused competitions, Fly Fishing Team USA revamped its selection process by creating a regional system, dividing the U.S. into four sections. This made it easier for anglers to compete locally without extensive travel.

15:12 -Glade then proceed in sharing how Fly Fishing Team USA’s selection process allows anglers to compete in up to three regional events, counting their best two scores to account for luck and variability in conditions. Rankings from regional events are combined with points from interregional competitions to determine the top anglers.

30:52 - Glade emphasizes how the U.S. aims to minimize disruption and avoid conflicts with local anglers. With careful planning and support from state and federal agencies, the event will promote conservation, safe fishing practices, and a fun, competitive environment for participants.

36:33 - Glade describes their success in securing bids for organizing a fly fishing event and the subsequent planning efforts involved. They mention having a cabin in Island Park, Idaho, which lies within the renowned "golden triangle" of fly fishing, spanning Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho.

43:03 - The youth fly fishing team recently achieved remarkable success at the World Championships in the Czech Republic, sweeping the podium with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finishes and securing the team gold medal.

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Presented By:  Pescador on the Fly, Heated Core, Visit Helena, MT

Are you ready to fish one of the best tailwaters out west? Today, we’re heading to the Land of the Giants on the Missouri River with Jeff Lattig from Living Water Guide. 

Jeff shares tips on fishing rivers and reservoirs, even in winter. We’re talking about the must-have fly color for winter, how to avoid a sloppy mend, and why the short leash nymphing method might just change the way you fish.

Show Notes with Jeff Lattig on Fly Fishing the Land of the Giants. 

03:06 - Winter on the Missouri River is slightly different, but it’s still a great time to catch some big fish. The day usually starts later, at around 9:30 or 10 AM, just to let the sun warm things up a bit.

Jeff talks about fishing deep, slow winter water and using flies like pink scuds and worms. If the wind is calm, you might even get some great midge fishing with dry flies. Jeff says pink flies, like pill poppers and lightning bugs, are popular in winter. 

Winter Fishing vs Summer Fishing in the Missouri 

Winter fishing on the Missouri River can be easier than fishing in the summer. Fish are a bit slower and less picky, so it’s easier to catch them. But they’re also not as hungry, so it’s all about finding the right depth and being patient. Jeff said the best part about winter fishing is fewer anglers.

Dry Fly Fishing on the Missouri

09:16 - Dry fly fishing on the Missouri can be trickier than on rivers like the Clark Fork or Blackfoot. The flies are smaller, so even a small mistake, like a sloppy mend, can cause your fly to sink. Plus, the weeds in the water add an extra challenge.

Jeff said downstream hook sets can be challenging for beginners. You must wait for the fish to take the fly before setting the hook.

When to Set the Hook and How to Avoid Sloppy Mends?

Jeff says the key is patience. You want to wait until the fish completely takes the fly. Here’s what Jeff recommends to avoid sloppy mends:

Avoid sloppy mends by using a reach cast to place your fly where you want it.

Stack your line out to feed it properly and get that perfect drift.

Short leaders (9 to 12 feet) are usually enough—no need for crazy long leaders!

Leader Size and Technique for Dry Fly Fishing on the Missouri

The leader size for dry fly fishing in Missouri depends on the fly you’re using. Here’s the breakdown:

For smaller flies (like size 18), choose a 4x to 5x leader.

For larger flies (like chubby Chernobyls or grasshoppers), use 2x or 3x to prevent twisting and get a good turnover.

The technique stays the same even in the winter. Jeff says that if there aren’t many fish rising, they fish blind. 

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Hopper Season on the Missouri

13:03 - Hopper season runs from late July through September. During this time, Jeff targets shallow waters (less than 2 feet deep) with grasshoppers. Here's what you should look for:

Faster, choppy water with good oxygen levels

Current breaks and structure, especially wood (as Jeff says, "wood is good")

Fish with a single hopper or a hopper dropper

Missouri is known for its epic grasshopper fishing, but other hatches like PMDs, caddis, tricks, and pseudocloeons.

What is Short Leash Nymphing? 

17:34 - Short leash nymphing is a technique where you target super shallow water, where larger fish tend to feed. The method involves using soft landing indicators placed a few feet above the flies, typically two to three feet. 

Anglers cast to specific spots like gravel bars or drops where fish feed. The technique requires precision and frequent casting. Check out this article on Short Leash Nymphing on the Missouri River.

How Do You Find Fish in Shallow Water?

To find fish in shallow water, look for areas where the water gets shallow, like gravel bars, shorelines, or center river flats. These are the spots you want to target when nymphing. 

Make sure your flies, indicators, and weight are set for that depth. Short leash nymphing makes it easy because you can visually spot those shallow areas and focus your efforts there.

Dealing with Weeds When Nymphing

Weeds can be a big issue when nymphing, especially in the summer months in Missouri. Sometimes, you might need to switch to unweighted flies to float over weed beds, especially in faster or deeper water.

Jeff says that areas near the dam have less vegetation due to cooler water, but warmer temperatures bring more weeds further downriver.

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Fly Fishing the Land of the Giants 

The "Land of Giants" is a stretch of river below Hauser Dam, about 3 to 4 miles long and known for its huge fish. You can catch fish around 18 to 22 inches, with some reaching 24 inches or more. 

This section is regulated with permits. Only 50 guides can operate there for commercial use. Jeff says they use jet boats to fish the area.

26:45 - You don’t need a drift boat to fish the Missouri, but it helps. Wade fishing can be great, especially when flows are low.  Below Hauser Dam is the sweet spot for guided trips. If you’re into walleye or spin fishing, places like Hauser or Canyon Ferry Reservoirs are options, too, but most fly fishing happens below Hauser.

Best Time to Fish

June and July are the best months for fishing. The main hatches are pale morning duns and caddis. As summer turns into fall, expect Trico and pseudocloeons, and then in late October, the Blue-wing olives show up. Even in winter, there’s still fishing with midges and chironomids.  

Tips to Catch More Fish in the Land of Giants

40:33 - Jeff Lattig shares two key tips for fishing the Land of Giants: 

Let Your Fly Hunt: When fishing with an indicator, let your flies hunt instead of constantly casting.

Know Your Depth: Make sure your flies are at the right depth. If you're fishing 10 feet of water, keep your flies close to the bottom.

Top Winter Flies for the Land of the Giants 

You don’t need to match the hatch exactly—it's more about the drift and timing. Here are some top choices for flies that work great in winter:

Pill Popper 

Pink Lightning Bug

Radiation Baetis

Thin Mint

Parachute Adams

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Presented by: Pescador on the Fly

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In this episode, we sit down with Jeff Ditsworth, owner of Pescador on the Fly, to talk about the perfect packable fly rod: their six-piece travel rod.

Jeff, an expert in fly fishing travel, shares insights into his innovative line of rods, including the El Jefe and El Rey, which are designed to make traveling with your fishing gear easier and more efficient. We delve into the common misconceptions about multi-piece rods and explore the exceptional quality and convenience they offer. Plus, Jeff reveals the inspiration behind the creation of the Trout Hero bag for Trout Unlimited and shares his daily routine that keeps him at the top of his game.

Join us as we uncover how this game-changing equipment could transform your fly fishing trips and simplify your travels.

Episode Chapters with Jeff Ditsworth on The Perfect Packable Fly Rod

1:55 - Jeff recalls his first introduction to fly fishing. He used to go camping with his father and grandfather, both of whom owned very old fly rods. His first fishing experiences were on lakes and ponds, targeting species like bluegills and bass.

3:44 - He shares his journey of creating the brand Pescador on the Fly. While traveling for work, he found it cumbersome to carry traditional four-section rods and sought a better travel rod. He spent two years in research and development, eventually launching the brand with the El Cinco, a seven-section rod.

9:54 - We dig into their six-section El Rey rod. Jeff mentions that the rod was recently featured in Fly Fisherman magazine's 2025 gear guide, highlighting its recognition in the industry.

12:35 - We ask him for tips on going on a travel for fishing trips. Jeff emphasizes the importance of traveling with more than one rod as a backup. He mentions the unpredictability of trips, such as rods breaking due to accidents, and suggests bringing a lightweight, compact rod like the six-section rod that fits easily into a backpack. Jeff also suggests varying the types of rods based on the fishing environment, such as bringing different weights for different water sizes and fish types.

14:48 - We get into their El Jefe line that includes rods from zero to 10-weight, available in both four and six-piece configurations. He mentions the affordability of their fishing combos making them accessible to newcomers to fly fishing.

18:42 - Jeff criticizes the industry's tendency to overcomplicate fly fishing with too many options, which can intimidate newcomers. He suggests that simplifying the approach to gear is often sufficient for most anglers.

23:22 - Jeff discusses the origins of the names for the brand and its product lines. He explains that "Pescador" means fisherman, a name inspired by his love for fishing in Mexico and speaking Spanish. "El Jefe" means the boss, and "El Ray" means the king. Jeff also addresses the Econ 101 series, which emerged from his desire to offer durable, non-disposable starter fly fishing kits.

25:49 - We touch a bit on this fishing trip to Ascension. On more recent trips, Jeff has been using their El Jefe rods and reels. He mentions that the El Jefe reels are saltwater capable with fully sealed drags, making them versatile for both freshwater and saltwater fishing.

27:11 - Jeff shares some of the new things coming up for Pescador on the Fly.

33:04 - We ask Jeff for his essential gears when going to fishing trips. Besides the six-section rod, he highlights the need for packing flies suited for the location, fly boxes, leaders, tippets, and small accessories like weights and fly line dressing.

He also mentions their Versa Pack, a small, efficient bag that caters to minimalist needs. This pack is ideal for carrying essential items such as a couple of fly boxes, ensuring that the angler is not burdened with unnecessary gear.

35:27 - Jeff highlights the importance of considering weather and location when deciding to use waders or opt for wet wading. He also shares his experience of packing efficiently, often including a suit, waders, boots, and fly fishing gear in his carry-on for both meetings and fishing.

40:18 - Jeff shares a heartfelt tribute to his father that was published in Colorado Trout Unlimited magazine. He also highlights their commitment to exceptional customer service, noting they quickly resolve issues like broken fishing rods, often providing replacements within two days, a stark contrast to industry norms.

42:48 - Jeff discusses his commitment to supporting Trout Unlimited, a prominent organization dedicated to protecting waterways and improving fishing access. One of his significant contributions to TU is the creation of the "trout hero bag." This reusable mesh bag is designed for anglers to collect trash every time they're near water bodies, promoting consistent environmental stewardship beyond occasional cleanup events.

46:09 - We ask Jeff about some misconceptions surrounding six-piece fishing rods. Jeff explains that earlier versions of multi-section rods, like the original six or seven-section rods, were not as high-performing as current models.

48:44 - Jeff shares his regimented morning routine which involves meditation with an app called Calm.

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