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Because of Horses
Elise Gaston Chand
Because of Horses is the podcast for horse lovers. Every week, we curate fascinating stories and feature notable guests discussing horses, timely topics important to horse-people, and the challenges and triumphs of living the Equestrian Life.
- 43 minutes 48 secondsIntercollegiate Horse Shows Association Founder, Bob Cacchione
Today’s guest on Because of Horses is Bob Cacchione — a living legend in the horse world — and one to whom so many owe immense gratitude for founding the Intercollegiate Horse Shows Association (IHSA)!
Though the IHSA has helped countless young equestrians explore their competitive riding talents and dreams, their origins were pretty humble. Bob was an 18-year-old sophomore at Fairleigh Dickinson University in Teaneck, New Jersey when his parents told him they would no longer pay for his riding. Rather than have that be the end of it, Bob negotiated free use of horses at a local stable in exchange for giving riding lessons, where he then gathered what soon became a competitive team. Next, when he held a show using donated horses, nearby colleges caught wind of the event and what began as a small group of riders soon grew exponentially over the ensuing years. Now, it’s a huge network, including almost 400 colleges across the U.S. and over 8,300 riders in hunt seat equitation, western horsemanship, and reining.
Beyond all this though, the organization is about so much more! In a world where show-winners are often those who can afford the finest horses, the IHSA truly levels the playing field. Countless young riders and adult equestrians have Bob to thank for that! In this episode, Bob shares stories of alumni who have gone on to do incredible things in the horse world, gives his take on how he has seen the evolution of youth competition, his predictions on the future of riding, some incredibly touching (and funny!) stories from those who have been involved in the IHSA, and what makes IHSA so remarkable!
Topics of Discussion:
[:24] About today’s episode with Bob Cacchione.
[1:49] Bob shares why what they do at IHSA is so important for the horse community. He also describes how the events themselves are set up and how they level the playing field.
[4:52] Bob highlights what’s especially remarkable about IHSA and tells the stories of alumni who have gone on to do incredible things in the horse world!
[8:52] Why Bob believes many of those who ride with IHSA go on to remarkable careers in the horse world beyond competing.
[12:50] When Bob’s parents stopped paying for his riding lessons at 18, what motivated him to create his own path?
[15:22] Elise and Bob discuss the incredibly unique community IHSA is, as well as its broad impact and appeal.
[18:34] Bob gives his thoughts on the horse world's evolution as well as his predictions on the future of riding.
[20:35] What Bob would like the parents and young riders who listen to Because of Horses to know about IHSA.
[22:16] Bob speaks about his retirement from IHSA.
[24:05] What does Bob want his legacy to be?
[25:45] In a life full of remarkable experiences, what stands out to Bob?
[28:08] Has Bob had any “fan” moments when he has met somebody famous in the horse world?
[29:31] If Bob could speak to ‘young Bob,’ what would he tell himself at 17 years of age?
[31:35] Bob shares some funny and touching stories of meeting people who were involved in IHSA.
[38:13] Bob shares some final words on IHSA.
[41:45] Elise shares an important announcement about the Because of Horses podcast.
Mentioned in this Episode:
Intercollegiate Horse Shows Association (IHSA)
EquestFile (Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
A Parent's Guide to Riding Lessons: Everything You Need to Know to Survive and Thrive with a Horse-Loving Kid, by Elise Gaston Chand
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25 October 2019, 7:00 am - 49 minutes 50 secondsAn Incredible Story of Healing and Transformation: The Horse Boy, with Rupert Isaacson
Following one’s passion isn’t always about making our own life better — sometimes, we get a very unique opportunity to fully harness the skills, talent, experience, connections, and interests we possess in the service of someone we love. This is precisely what happened in Rupert Isaacson’s case when his young son, Rowan, was diagnosed with autism. And in Rupert’s very real quest to help his little boy, he discovered a therapeutic approach that could help others who are on the same journey. To share this desperately needed support as broadly as possible, Rupert wrote a book, created a film, and established a foundation. He’s even taken his message personally to the world to anyone who would listen through clinics, conferences, personal appearances, partnering with neurologists and therapists around the world, and doing everything in his power to shift our thinking about autism and how to support autists in a more nurturing and effective way.
In this week's Season 3 premiere episode — that also marks Rupert Isaacson’s return to the podcast — he shares about his incredible journey with his son, Rowan. He provides insight into how autists experience autism, how Rowan’s journey is helping thousands of people (autistic or not) through the Horse Boy Foundation and Kids Must Move, their journey through Mongolia and why they chose to film absolutely everything on their trip — even the moments that seemed far too raw for the camera, and some of the powerful moments that really stand out to him when he looks back on his family’s journey.
Topics of Discussion:
[:24] About today’s episode.
[1:51] Rupert speaks about the early days of his son, Rowan’s, autism diagnosis and the beginning of their journey to help him cope through the magic of horses.
[5:34] Rupert provides his insight into how autists experience autism.
[11:43] Rupert speaks about the incredible transformation he noticed in his son after the San Bushmen healers prayed over him during their ceremonies in Mongolia.
[16:55] How Rowan’s journey is helping thousands of people (autistic or not) through the Horse Boy Foundation and Kids Must Move.
[18:33] What is shamanism? And how can it help aid healthy brain function and be especially beneficial to those with autism?
[21:40] Rupert reflects on his journey with Rowan and speaks more about the characteristics of shamanism and the major differences between it and western medicine.
[24:25] Rupert speaks about their journey through Mongolia and why they chose to film everything on their trip.
[26:34] Were there ever any moments that were too raw for the camera?
[29:29] When Rupert looks back on his family’s journey, what stands out for him?
[32:18] When does that healthy reliance on proven methods in Western medicine become an impediment to utilizing new methods that have incredibly positive outcomes?
[35:02] Rupert’s book, The Horse Boy, was received with stellar reviews — most notably perhaps was the review from the Autism Society of America’s former President and CEO, Lee Grossman. Does it ever strike Rupert the degree to which his journey is helping to improve others’ lives?
[36:54] Rupert offers some guidance to those on a similar path to his own.
[38:42] What’s next for Rupert and Rowan?
[45:42] Where to find out more about the work Rupert is doing.
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Mentioned in this Episode:
Because of Horses Ep. 7: “The Horse Boy and Rupert Isaacson”
The Horse Boy: A Father's Quest to Heal His Son, by Rupert Isaacson
EquestFile (Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
Kids Must Move (Facebook Page)
HorseBoyWorld.com Autism Society of America
The Long Ride Home: The Extraordinary Journey of Healing That Changed a Child's Life, by Rupert Isaacson
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18 October 2019, 7:00 am - 1 hour 17 minutesListeners’ Choice Collection: Excerpts From Our Most Popular Guests
This week Elise is bringing you an especially fun episode because it’s all about you — the listeners! This episode will be featuring the four guests that listeners have chosen as their favorites from the 103 episodes that have aired in Seasons 1 and 2 thus far! Elise will be sharing the best excerpts from these incredible episodes as she counts down the top favorite guests, including Stacy Westfall, Through Rider Gillian Larson, Guy McLean, and King Ranch's James Clement.
Topics of Discussion:
[:25] About today’s special episode!
[:48] Listeners' choice guest #4 is Guy McLean!
[1:44] In this first clip, Guy speaks about his journey going from a shy little boy who found his place in the world with horses to now performing at some of the world’s most legendary venues.
[5:28] We often talk about what we want from horses, but what does Guy think horses want from us?
[9:07] Guy McLean recites his remarkable poem, “This is War,” and explains the story behind it.
[14:06] What does Guy wish people knew about ‘so-called’ difficult horses?
[21:48] Listeners' choice guest #3 is the renowned trainer, clinician, and competitor, Stacy Westfall!
[23:45] Stacy speaks about how she turned a major competition mistake around (that got her disqualified) and whether there’s a pattern for conscious decision making and willful positivism that can turn even the most disappointing moments into positive outcomes.
[27:50] Stacy speaks about positive intent, ethics, and how our connection with horses reinforces them.
[30:00] Did Stacy have any idea of the impact that her viral ride would have on her audience and viewers online?
[33:55] Stacy reflects on her experience during this viral ride.
[38:07] Guest #2 on the listeners’ choice list is James Clement III from the iconic King Ranch!
[39:26] James Clement shares the story of the legendary stallion, Old Sorrel, and why he’s so important to today’s Quarter Horses. James also shares how the King Ranch came to be founded.
[44:02] James tells the story of Captain King and explains how his life truly optimizes the American dream.
[48:11] James continues the story of Captain King and speaks about how he is following in his predecessor's footsteps.
[51:43] About the amazing heritage that many of the coworkers at King Ranch share.
[53:11] The guest that listeners voted #1 out of 103 episodes: Through Rider Gillian Larson.
[53:53] Gillian speaks about her daily routine in caring for her horses on the trail, and how she manages to keep them healthy and sound as they travel thousands of miles together.
[1:04:19] Has Gillian had any wildlife encounters during her travels with her horses? Any Stephen King moments?
[1:17:00] Elise wraps up this week’s special listeners' choice episode!
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Mentioned in this Episode:
Episode 65: “Guy McLean: Australia’s National Treasure and Ambassador of the Outback”
EquestFile (Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
Episode 27: “Stacy Westfall Has Done It All: Ellen DeGeneres, NRHA Champion, Quarter Horse Congress Record, Road to the Horse Winner” Stacy Westfall’s Viral Ride (Youtube Video)
Episode 62: “The Lone Rider: Border to Border on Horseback, with Gillian Larson”
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11 October 2019, 7:00 am - 51 minutes 16 secondsHelping Our Horses Dance, with Visconte Simon Cocozza
Elise’s guest today wondered about the difference between the horse that moves so beautifully it’s like dancing vs. a horse that doesn’t… or possibly can’t. He recognized that it’s all about the horse’s inner strength and balance and that the way to help the horse achieve this difference is through applying yoga principles, designed and intended for humans, to our equine partners!
After 30 years refining his work with some of the finest equines and trainers in Europe, as well as his own horses, Visconte (Viscount) Simon Cocozza wrote his book, Core Conditioning for Horses: Yoga-Inspired Warm-up Techniques: Increase Suppleness, Improve Bend, and Unlock Optimal Movement. Simon is also a performance coach and examiner for the French Equestrian Federation, a British qualified trainer, and one of Europe’s leading bio-dynamics researchers. He has made it his life’s work to apply a scientific approach to the principles of equitation with the goal of helping each horse to become the healthiest he or she can be!
In this fascinating episode, Simon is joining Elise from his equestrian center in Normandy, France, where he trains and, as he says, enjoys far too much cheese.
Tune in to learn more about Simon’s philosophy and approach about core conditioning for horses and learn how you can utilize it for yourself as he walks listeners through the ideal warm-up, the benefits behind his approach, and all you need to know about what goes on in a horse’s body!
Topics of Discussion:
[:25] About today’s guest, Visconte Simon Cocozza.
[1:22] How do yoga-inspired warmup techniques increase suppleness, bend, and optimal movement in our horses?
[2:25] Simon describes the core muscles in horses and explains what can cause them to become stiff or painful.
[5:22] Why does Simon think that most people tend to interpret a horse’s body language as stubborn rather than being in pain or discomfort?
[8:44] The importance of finding out what is causing your horse’s discomfort or point of pain.
[12:02] Simon explains why it is so crucial to understand where a horse’s discomfort is coming from and why we should address it as soon as possible, as well as the reason behind why he wrote his book, Core Conditioning for Horses: Yoga-Inspired Warm-up Techniques.
[15:25] How can a rider differentiate between a horse experiencing discomfort vs. simply not having the talent for a particular discipline?
[18:15] How can riders utilize Simon’s approach and philosophy throughout their training and not just during warm-up?
[20:50] Simon explains the differences between fitness and elasticity in horses.
[27:15] Simon walks listeners through an ideal warm-up to employ when they first begin using his techniques.
[31:10] The incredible purpose that Simon’s yoga-inspired warm-up technique serves.
[33:27] How does a rider know when they’re successful in helping their horse’s core muscles become more conditioned?
[35:02] The positive outcomes of using Simon’s technique.
[37:44] In talking about releasing tension in our horses’ bodies, how can we release tension in our own so we’re not bringing that to the barn?
[40:32] Simon explains how he first made the connection between yoga principles and horses and provides some examples that illustrate the improvements he has seen in applying yoga principles to horses.
[43:18] Simon reflects on his childhood and growing up in Rome, Italy, with a family who was passionate about horses.
[45:24] When Simon thinks far into the future, what would he like his legacy to be?
[47:57] About next week’s episode of Because of Horses!
[49:04] Where to find Simon’s book online and learn more about his approach!
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Mentioned in this Episode:
Core Conditioning for Horses: Yoga-Inspired Warm-up Techniques: Increase Suppleness, Improve Bend, and Unlock Optimal Movement, by Visconte Simon Cocozza
Visconte Simon Cocozza’s Website (VisconteCocozza.com)
EquestFile (Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
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4 October 2019, 7:00 am - 55 minutes 46 secondsWhat Science and Experience Tell Us About How Horses Learn with Dr. Stephen Peters
Every time we think we can make a definitive statement about how the human brain works, science makes advances, and in many cases, proves those beliefs to be wrong. The same is true of horses’ brains, which directly impacts how they learn, how they experience the world, and how we can more effectively work with them and provide them with better lives.
Elise’s guest today, neuroscientist, author, and horseman, Dr. Stephen Peters, was frustrated by the many often opposing views about training and working with his own horses. Dr. Peters decided to apply his knowledge of the human brain to developing science-based horsemanship to understand how a horse’s brain and its behavior are related and how they, in turn, affect learning. Dr. Peters partnered with trainer and fifth-generation rancher, Martin Black, whose early years of training horses were guided by working for legendary horsemen Tom Dorrance and Ray Hunt. Together, they wrote the book, Evidence-Based Horsemanship, to share their intriguing findings.
In this episode, Dr. Peters shares his incredible insights on how the equine brain thinks and how we can apply this knowledge to work more effectively with our own horses. He also gives his impression of how he believes horses experience the world and how we can best interact with our horses to accommodate this.
Topics of Discussion:
[:25] About today’s guest, Dr. Stephen Peters.
[1:39] What can the equine brain think? How does it think? And how can we apply this knowledge to working more effectively with our own horses?
[6:22] What is Dr. Peters’ impression of how horses experience the world? And in particular, with regards to our interactions with them and creating that calm environment that is most beneficial to learning.
[27:38] When Dr. Peters is working with young horses, what is the middle ground between exposing them to new experiences and completely “bubble-wrapping” them?
[35:57] Has Dr. Peters been surprised by any of his findings as both a neuroscientist and a horseman?
[41:07] It’s been proven that horses are good for humans, but are humans good for horses?
[50:13] Dr. Peters and Elise discuss the ongoing evolution of horsemanship in understanding what is actually most beneficial for the horse.
[52:20] About next week’s episode of Because of Horses.
[53:37] Where to learn more about Dr. Peters and find his book online.
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Mentioned in this Episode:
Evidence-Based Horsemanship, by Dr. Stephen Peters and Martin Black
EquestFile(Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
Horse Head: Brain Science & Other Insights, by Maddy Butcher and Dr. Stephen Peters (Contributor)
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27 September 2019, 7:00 am - 51 minutes 55 secondsEQUUS Film Festival: Horses in the Arts
Lisa Diersen is the Founder and Director of the EQUUS Film Festival, recognized as the largest showcase of equestrian film, art and literature in the world. An avid horsewoman and movie lover, Lisa believes in the power of telling stories through film. She founded the EQUUS Film Festival with the mission of showing the world how horses can bring everyone together regardless of race, age, gender, ability or disability.
The EQUUS Film Festival launched in 2013 at the Arcada Theater in Lisa’s hometown of St. Charles, Illinois. The main feature was “The Horse Boy,” a documentary film about Rowan Isaacson, a young boy with autism. Lisa was moved by how the movie displayed the ups and downs of living with autism, as well as the healing role played by the horse. She knew that this message of unity and hope, shared through film, was critical to share with a broader audience.
In 2014, the Festival moved to New York City, where it screened 100 movies from 20 countries. The next year, it moved to a larger venue at the Village East Cinema and began offering national and international tour stops throughout the year. In 2017, Lisa collaborated with documentary filmmaker Julianne Neal to create the Spotlight Rescue Series, now an annual feature at the Festival. The Spotlight Series tells the stories of cats, dogs, horses and humans in rescue situations, and the people who work tirelessly to save them.
The EQUUS Film Festival showcases films from around the world, featuring a complex cross-section of the equestrian community. Films are selected for their ability to share the wonder of horses, to help us better understand the horse’s influence on our history, and to appreciate the healing that horses offer.
Since its inception, the Festival has expanded to include works of literature and art which celebrate the Festival’s mission. In addition, organizers present the WINNIE Awards, which annually recognize excellence in equestrian film, writing and art.
The 2019 EQUUS Film Festival will be held Dec. 5-8 at the Kentucky Horse Park in Lexington, Kentucky. Festival films, documentaries, shorts and more can also be viewed on the EQUUS Film Festival ON DEMAND channel, offered in collaboration with Horse Network.
Topics of Discussion:
[:25] About today’s episode with Lisa Diersen.
[1:39] What it is about film and art, that, when combined with horses, is especially meaningful?
[5:47] Lisa speaks about the early days of building the EQUUS Film Festival.
[10:45] Lisa shares her thoughts on how the EQUUS Film Festival has given a platform to — and broadened the reach of — talented filmmakers, writers, photographers, and artists.
[15:46] Lisa explains how the EQUUS Film Festival is more than a showcase, but also a platform for education.
[24:00] What are some of the unexpected things Lisa has learned as the director and founder of the EQUUS Film Festival?
[33:18] Lisa speaks about the upcoming movie based on the 1930s book series, Billy and Blaze, by C.W. Anderson.
[38:00] What does Lisa hope the new reality TV show, Horse Rescue Heroes, accomplishes?
[44:16] Lisa shares other aspects of the EQUUS Film Festival: literature and art.
[48:35] About next week’s guest on Because of Horses.
[50:15] Where to learn more about Lisa Diersen and the EQUUS Film Festival!
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Mentioned in this Episode:
The Black Stallion(Film, 1979)
HF Films Rare Equine TrustBraveHearts Therapeutic Riding & Educational Center
Talking to the Air (Film, 2019)
Billy and Blaze,by C.W. Anderson
Horse Rescue Heroes (Reality TV Show)
The Horses of Fukushima (Film, 2013)
Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron (Film, 2002)
EquestFile(Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
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20 September 2019, 7:00 am - 1 hour 3 minutesShawn Flarida: NRHA $6 Million Reiner
This week, the Because of Horses Podcast is celebrating its 100th episode with a very special conversation with legendary reiner, Shawn Flarida! Shawn is the winner of five gold medals at the World Equestrian Games, winner of the All-American Quarter Horse Congress nine times, and the first person to break the $6 million mark in Reining, which he did at the 2017 National Reining Horse Association (NRHA) Futurity.
But, despite all of the record-breaking firsts and the extraordinary career achievements, for Shawn, family is the most important thing in his life — and, of course, he really loves his horses! At a very young age, Shawn knew he was going to be a trainer. And as the son of a respected horseman, who both encouraged and demanded the best of him, he developed a keen understanding of horses, a passion for reining, and a reputation for being one of the hardest working riders in the sport.
Tune in to hear all about Shawn’s successful career journey, his tips on reining, some of the most impactful moments in both competition and training, and his incredible passion for working with horses that has led him to be as successful as he is today! Shawn also shares many additional tips on what to consider if you’re debating going pro, how to raise your performance in the show ring, what young aspiring riders (and their parents) should consider when they begin to compete, how to better read and train your horse, and which qualities are most important for a reining horse.
Topics of Discussion:
[:25] About today’s guest, Shawn Flarida!
[1:10] What it has been like for Shawn to share his remarkable career with his family.
[2:19] What about reining holds such appeal for Shawn personally?
[3:20] Shawn gives a ‘101’ about reining and what listeners new to the sport should know!
[4:16] Shawn shares some tips for two difficult movements in reining: the spin and the slide.
[7:00] Shawn reflects on some memorable moments from what is known to be his breakout year in 2001, where he won several major events.
[8:10] What does Shawn remember from his first time representing the United States overseas?
[9:40] Before Shawn’s incredible success, was there ever a moment where he realized the potential of having — not just a successful reining career — but one that would include breaking many firsts in reining history and breaking multiple world records?
[13:38] What goes through Shawn’s mind right before he begins his pattern?
[17:05] Shawn’s perspective on wearing two hats as a trainer and a competitor.
[18:58] How to raise your performance in the show ring.
[20:15] What Shawn thinks riders should consider when debating going pro.
[22:20] Having competed and traveled all over the world, why is Springfield, Ohio home to Shawn?
[23:49] Shawn speaks about the significance behind the large quote on the homepage of his website: “Success isn’t just about what you accomplish in your life, it’s about what you do to inspire others.”
[25:00] Shawn offers some tips on how to better read your horse as well as how to teach it.
[26:25] Shawn describes his unique connection with horses and whether or not it comes naturally to him.
[28:49] What qualities make for a great reining horse?
[31:30] What does Shawn look for in a horse when determining their potential for reining?
[33:25] Has Shawn ever had a horse-of-a-lifetime?
[36:45] Shawn describes why reining truly takes a village!
[39:40] Shawn shares some of the moments that stand out for him in his career.
[41:52] What would Shawn like his legacy to be?
[42:40] What was it like for Shawn to see his son, Sam, show for the first time?
[44:39] What was it like to show with his son? And how did that performance come about?
[47:52] Shawn gives his thoughts on why our connection with horses is so deep for some of us.
[48:58] Shawn explains what he believes is the difference between a good reiner and a great one. He also gives his advice to young aspiring riders and their parents.
[50:55] What does Shawn think drives us to be with horses?
[52:15] Shawn speaks about some of the individuals from the NRHA Hall of Fame that inspire him.
[55:40] How does Shawn define success?
[1:00:18] About next week’s episode of Because of Horses!
[1:02:01] Where to learn more about Shawn online!
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Mentioned in this Episode:
EquestFile(Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
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13 September 2019, 7:00 am - 1 hour 6 minutesMark Rashid, Considering the Horse
Mark Rashid is an internationally acclaimed trainer, clinician, and prolific author, renowned for taking the guesswork out of communicating with our horses. His ability to understand the horse’s point of view and solve difficult problems with communication rather than force is unmatched.
Mark began working with horses at age 10, when he met the “old man,” who taught him to work with horses, not against them, and to listen to what the horse is trying to say. This figure is featured in many of his books, credited for teaching Mark a great deal about horses and laying the foundation for him to becoming a more enlightened horseman. Over 50 years later, Mark is recognized around the world for his horse-centric training philosophies, defined by quiet determination and working with, not against, the horse. A former ranch hand with experience gathering herds and managing stock, Mark now devotes most of his time to teaching and working one-on-one at clinics to improve horse and rider partnerships. Mark’s ability to understand the horse’s point of view allows him to solve many issues without the use of force. Mark’s approach to training has been heavily influenced by his study of Yoshinkan Aikido, a Japanese martial art. Aikido, which translates to “the way of harmony,” is founded on the concept of bringing even the most difficult or dangerous situation to a harmonious conclusion. Mark, who has earned a second degree blackbelt, uses the core principles of Aikido in his daily horsemanship, looking for quiet ways to blend with a horse’s energy in order to help the horse understand what is being asked of them. Mark teaches aikido for horsemen through his Aibado workshops, offered around the world. Based in Estes Park, Colorado, when he is not on the road Mark enjoys spending time with his family and playing music. A prolific author, he has written 14 books, including one novel, and has released two music CDs.
Tune in to this week’s episode to hear all of Mark’s insights on becoming a better horseman, what his experiences with horses have taught him, how he has shifted the paradigm of the “problem horse” through his teachings, how to continually improve your relationship with your horse, and why demonstration can often be a much more powerful teacher than words.
Topics of Discussion:
[:25] About today’s guest, Mark Rashid.
[:54] How did the “old man” (a figure noted in many of Mark’s books) guide Mark in developing his own training program in the early days? And how has Mark’s approach evolved over the years?
[4:50] Why demonstration can be a more powerful teacher than using words.
[10:50] Mark speaks about his work with rehabilitation work and training mustangs.
[20:08] Mark explains the concept of being a “passive leader” and how to apply the best qualities of being a passive leader in working with our horses. He also provides some fantastic examples.
[28:45] Mark speaks about how his experiences with horses have taught him a great deal about people, how martial arts improved his horsemanship, and how to truly connect with horses.
[37:16] Mark speaks more about the martial arts, aikido, and how it improved his horsemanship.
[43:08] How Mark shifts the paradigm of the “problem horse” in his book, Finding the Missed Path: The Art of Restarting Horses.
[55:00] Mark highlights some things all horse owners seem to be doing universally that we should improve upon.
[59:35] How can we improve our relationships with our horses? Are there guideposts to help us along? And how do we know when we need to correct certain behavior?
[1:03:00] About next week’s episode of Because of Horses!
[1:04:35] Where to find Mark Rashid online and learn about his upcoming clinics!
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Mentioned in this Episode:
EquestFile(Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
Morihei Ueshiba (Founder of Aikido)
Finding the Missed Path: The Art of Restarting Horses, by Mark Rashid
‘Considering the Horse, Mark Rashid’ Facebook Page
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6 September 2019, 7:00 am - 1 hour 2 minutesDesert Flight: A Love Letter to Show Jumping, with Filmmaker Samia Staehle
"Desert Flight" is an award-winning film documentary that explores the horse-human bond through the world of show jumping. Filmmaker Samia Staehle’s goal was to capture the visceral way horses enrich our lives and our senses. The film provides an honest look at how much the sport of show jumping means to its participants through the perspectives of equestrians from different walks of life. Shot over three weeks during the climactic end of the HITS Thermal horse show circuit in California, "Desert Flight" is both visually stunning and artistically compelling. Samia, a former Associated Press news producer and amateur show jumper from Washington state, chose the Thermal show grounds for her work partially because the stunning beauty of the desert reminded her of her former home in India. "Desert Flight" includes interviews from such luminaries of the sport as Richard Spooner, Will Simpson, Mandy Porter and Richard Fellers, but also includes vignettes from lesser-known equestrians with big dreams. "Desert Flight" was filmed by Tell Studios, whose Detroit, Michigan, based crew had no experience with horses. Instead, they were told to “go out and find what drives these horse people to do what they do every day.” "Desert Flight" made its world premiere at the FEI World Equestrian Games in Tryon, North Carolina, September 2018. The 39-minute film was named Best of Festival and Best Documentary at the 2018 EQUUS Film Festival in New York City and is available to US Equestrian Federation members on the USEF Network.
Topics of Discussion:
[:24] About today’s episode with Samia Staehle.
[1:39] What does Samia remember most from Desert Flight’s production?
[4:21] What Desert Flight ultimately accomplished as a film.
[7:45] How the Because of Horses Podcast got its name!
[12:06] Samia’s thoughts on the notion of “because of horses” and how it relates to her film.
[15:00] The possible “dark side” in the horse world: becoming divided or siloed.
[20:37] The importance of being empathetic with newcomers to the horse world.
[22:33] Why does Samia think the horse/human relationship is so deeply essential to those of us who love horses?
[26:00] Elise and Samia discuss what makes up the horse/human connection.
[31:18] An important message from Desert Flight: prioritizing horsemanship and maintaining a relationship with your horse.
[35:10] Elise and Samia reflect on Richard Spooner’s astonishing display of horsemanship.
[39:18] Samia speaks about what she would really like people to take away from Desert Flightand shares her favorite film memories.
[45:44] Elise and Samia discuss embracing humility in horsemanship and the sport.
[48:48] Elise and Samia celebrate the non-gendered language used within the sport and the equality that exists within competitions.
[51:52] Elise and Samia discuss another component of the film: how the riders highlight the fact that it takes a passionate team behind them to help them get where they are.
[59:14] About next week’s episode of Because of Horses!
[1:00:38] Where to learn more about Desert Flight and watch it online!
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Mentioned in this Episode:
AIG $1 Million Show Jumping Grand Prix
The Black Stallion (Film, 1979)
EquestFile(Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
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30 August 2019, 7:00 am - 51 minutes 49 secondsThe Hampton Classic Collection: Talking with the Greats
This week is a very special edition of Because of Horses! Your host, Elise Gaston Chand, talks with some of the horse world’s most accomplished equestrians — sharing their riding and training philosophies, their insights into horses, advice for aspiring competitors, and their fondest memories of the Hampton Classic Horse Show! These featured guests are Georgina Bloomberg, Kelli Cruciotti, Peter Wylde, Joe Fargis, and Chief Press Officer Marty Bauman.
For over 40 years, the Classic has featured world-class riders and horses — including Olympic and Pan American Games medalists — from around the globe, competing for $800,000 in prize money. With something for everyone, from the avid horse lover to the non-equestrian spectator, the Classic is one of the largest outdoor horse shows in the U.S.; a not-to-miss segment on the summer tour. Where else can you watch McLain Ward, Kent Farrington, and Anne Kursinski compete… then spot Bruce Springsteen watching his phenomenally talented daughter, Jessica, clear a course in record time? Or see Steven Spielberg, Jerry Seinfeld, Kelly Ripa, Brooke Shields, or Martha Stewart stroll by?
The Classic is also an event straight from the heart with fundraising and community support, animal adoptions onsite, championship competition for disabled riders, and one of the most anticipated classes during the week-long show: Leadline, with our littlest riders judged by two-time Olympic gold medalist, Joe Fargis.
The Classic runs August 25th through September 1st, 2019, in Bridgehampton, New York.
Ready to talk with the greats? Tune in!
About our accomplished guests:
Joe Fargis is one of the greats of show jumping. He trained under the legendary Bertalan de Nemethy and is perhaps best known for his partnership with the Thoroughbred mare Touch of Class, with whom he won the individual and team gold medals at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. He also won the team silver medal at the 1988 Seoul Olympics with Mill Pearl. Joe was inducted into the Show Jumping Hall of Fame in 2007 and was awarded the US Equestrian Federation Lifetime Achievement Award in 2012.
US Olympian, trainer and youth mentor Peter Wylde is one of the most well-respected horsemen in the sport of show jumping, not just for his extensive competitive success but also his commitment to the education of both amateurs and juniors. Peter is best known for his partnership with Turnabout Farms’ Fein Cera, who he rode to the individual bronze and the Best Horse award at the 2002 World Equestrian Games in Jerez, Spain, and the team gold medal at the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. Peter is a three-time grand prix winner at the Hampton Classic.
Georgina Bloomberg is a native New Yorker and international show jumper who grew up competing all along the east coast. She made her FEI World Cup Final debut in 2005 and was a member of the winning team in the Samsung Super League Nation’s Cup in France. Georgina was a member of the bronze medal-winning Pan American Games team in 2015 and competed in Gothenburg, Sweden in this year’s Longines FEI World Cup Finals. She is a noted philanthropist, focusing particularly on issues related to animal welfare.
Kelli Cruciotti is an emerging star in U.S. show jumping, currently ranked 26th in the country by the United States Equestrian Federation, and a 2020 Olympic hopeful. Kelli enjoyed a storied junior career, with success in all three rings and a win at the coveted 2015 USEF/Pessoa Medal Finals, but today show jumping has become her main passion. After turning professional in 2016, Kelli has continued to pile up top results in the jumper ring at such prestigious shows as Devon, Harrisburg, the Hamptons, Capital Challenge, Washington and more. In 2019, she represented the United States in her first Longines FEI World Cup Final in Gothenburg, Sweden, finishing 16th on her mare, Hadja Van Orshof.
Topics of Discussion:
[:18] About today’s special episode!
[2:16] Elise introduces this week’s first guest, Georgina Bloomberg.
[2:38] To Georgina, what makes the Hampton Classic a not-to-miss show?
[3:59] How has winning last year’s opening Grand Prix affected Georgina going into this year’s competition?
[5:55] Georgina tells a story that helps illustrate how the Hampton Classic has such universal appeal to horse lovers of all kinds.
[7:43] Georgina gives her advice to young riders.
[12:12] Elise thanks Georgina for joining her!
[13:38] Elise introduces Kelli Cruciotti.
[13:46] Kelli describes what she loves about the Hampton Classic.
[15:46] Kelli reflects on the first time she competed at this iconic show.
[16:39] Elise thanks Kelli for joining her!
[16:55] Elise introduces Peter Wylde.
[17:10] Peter explains why it is so important to first understand the basics (i.e. getting the rider/horse relationship and riding skills solid) before moving on to jumping.
[18:31] Peter gives his recommendations on the sorts of things riders should be looking for when they observe and study top competitors in action.
[21:17] Peter shares some of his favorite memories from his time spent at the Hampton Classic and why it has been a standout show for him, over the years.
[23:25] Peter gives his advice to young riders attending the Hampton Classic for the first time this year.
[24:20] Elise thanks Peter for joining her!
[24:55] Elise introduces Joe Fargis.
[25:20] Joe explains how valuing simplicity by focusing on and perfecting the basics helps riders to be — not just better jumpers — but better riders, overall.
[26:35] Joe explains how riders can stop thinking about training as work, and instead focus on ensuring that the horse enjoys the experience even while they’re learning.
[27:48] What about coaching talented young riders and helping them to build upon their skills through programs like the EAP is so important to Joe?
[28:46] What is Joe hoping to teach young riders when he asks them a question (usually related to riding, horse anatomy, or their tack) during Leadline? And what are some of his favorite memories from judging at the Hampton Classic?
[30:16] What is it like for Joe to be a part of a young rider’s journey and to see some of them go on to such terrific success?
[30:49] Elise thanks Joe for joining her!
[31:58] Elise introduces Chief Press Officer Marty Bauman.
[32:04] Why Marty thinks the Hampton Classic holds such broad appeal — not just year after year — but decade after decade.
[35:08] What does USEF recognition of the Classic as a Heritage Competition mean to Marty and the show?
[37:31] Elise and Marty discuss what it’s like for equestrians to compete at the Hampton Classic.
[39:45] Marty reflects on how far some of these young riders have come and how rewarding it is to be a part of the Classic’s incredible history.
[45:12] What Marty would like listeners to know about the Hampton Classic.
[50:15] Where to learn more about the Hampton Classic.
[50:49] Elise thanks Marty for joining her.
[50:57] Elise wraps up this week’s special episode.
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Mentioned in this Episode:
EquestFile (Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
Extraordinary Horseman and Olympian: Peter Wylde (Episode 86, Because of Horses)
Rising Star Kelli Cruciotti, Aiming for 2020 Gold (Episode 93, Because of Horses)
Chief Press Officer Marty Bauman
United States Equestrian Federation (USEF)
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23 August 2019, 7:00 am - 59 minutes 16 secondsThe Horse of Kings Is Now the Horse of a Lifetime, with Kimberly Van Kampen
Kimberly Van Kampen is a top supporter of U.S. dressage and one of the most respected breeders of Pure Spanish Horses in the world. Kim has dedicated her career to promoting the growth and development of U.S. dressage through her leadership and sponsorship of various programs, riders and horses. She is a top supporter of the Adequan Global Dressage Festival but is equally committed to helping young riders at the grassroots of the sport. Kim is the founder and owner of Hampton Green Farms, with locations in Fruitport, Michigan, and Wellington, Florida. She developed a top-quality program focused on breeding, training and selling some of the best Pure Spanish Horses (P.R.E.) in the world. She is the owner of the stallion Grandioso III, who represented Spain at the 2012 and 2016 Olympic Games and the 2014 World Equestrian Games. Kim is committed to making dressage more accessible to young riders from diverse backgrounds. Hampton Green Farm in Michigan hosts the Dressage 4 Kids Youth Dressage Festival Midwest each summer, and their Wellington facility is the base for the organization’s Winter Intensive Training Program. In addition, Kim has sponsored several alumni of the Dressage 4 Kids program, providing mounts and training and competitive experiences. Kim has helped to support additional youth educational opportunities through her organization, Discover Dressage. In 2017, Discover Dressage committed to donate $1 million over four years to American junior, young rider and under-25 projects. Discover Dressage was named the title sponsor for the U.S. Dressage Emerging Athletes Program, which provides strategic guidance and educational opportunities for selected athletes under the age of 25. Discover Dressage also presents American Equestrians Got Talent, the Robert Dover-hosted fundraiser for the development of youth programs that have a goal of sending squads of junior, young and under-25 riders to compete in Europe, similar to Grand Prix and small tour teams. Kim is a passionate promoter of the P.R.E. and is the founder and Board President of the U.S. P.R.E. Association. Her active promotion of the P.R.E. has helped increase the breed’s popularity within competitive dressage, from local shows to the international arena.
Topics of Discussion:
[:25] About today’s episode with Kimberly Van Kampen.
[1:25] Kim tells the story of what happened after she met Lendon Gray in 2008 and asked Courtney King Dye to ride her stallion, Grandioso III.
[3:28] Why are the elements of responsibility, compassion, and sportsmanship so important to Kim? And why are they so critical to the horse world?
[8:42] Kim speaks about the character children gain through involvement in the horse world and its importance to her as both a mother and an equestrian.
[13:38] How does the Emerging Athletes Program (EAP) help prepare young riders? And what outcomes has Kim seen?
[21:37] In 1999, Kim attended SICAB, the International PRE Horse Fair, in Spain. She describes her first experience at the fair and what it was about the PRE breed that was so captivating for her.
[25:52] Kim and Elise describe the PRE breed characteristics and why the Iberian horse inspires such passion in its owners.
[34:58] How Kim defines success and what it means to be successful. She also tells the story of Grandioso III, which helps illustrate her views.
[42:50] How it felt for Kim when Grandioso was recognized in the international community.
[46:49] What does the Van Kampen legacy mean to Kim?
[51:10] Kim talks about the evolution of dressage in the U.S.
[54:50] About next week’s episode of Because of Horses!
[56:13] Where to learn more about dressage, PRE, and Kim Van Kampen.
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Mentioned in this Episode:
Adequan® Global Dressage Festival
The United States PRE Association (USPREA)
Dressage4Kids Winter Intensive Training Program
Lendon’s Youth Dressage Festival
EquestFile (Use coupon code: BOH10 to receive a 10% discount for two months off your subscription)
Emerging Athletes Program (EAP)
Because of Horses’ Episode with Charlotte Bredahl
SICAB (International PRE Horse Fair)
Because of Horses’ Episode with Robert Dover
Next week’s episode of Because of Horses
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