In this special episode, Jen and Amy get a visit from a Hollywood darling we’ve loved in countless films and shows like The Descendants, Archer, 27 Dresses, Arrested Development and 13 Going on 30 to talk about her newest project based on the beloved children’s book, The Best Christmas Pageant Ever! Actress Judy Greer talks about what it’s like to collaborate on such a treasured holiday story that she somehow missed out on as a kid but was lucky enough to discover when she was cast for the role. She sets the scene for what it was like to film the movie last fall in wintry Winnipeg with a cast full of kids on set and also takes a moment to share some highlights from earlier in her career.

Also in this episode: 

• Amy and Jen talk about their mixed feelings toward pageants and public performances. As you might guess, one of them loves them, one hates them.
• In our GenXcellence segment, Jen and Amy recount their first movie-without-parents experiences.
• And we Rant or Rave about decorating the house at Christmastime.

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Thought-provoking Quotes: 

“I directed so many programs with my sisters and my girl cousins, and my parents were very, very mediocre audience members. If you’re going to have four kids, guess what you get to do? You’re going to sit on the brown corduroy couch and watch our shitty programs. That’s part of the deal. We practiced for six hours. I had choreography. At one point, I gave Lindsay an umbrella that she had to open at just the right lyric in the song and the bitch could not do it and it was so upsetting.” – Jen Hatmaker 

“I think what’s so beautiful about this story is that it’s about unity, and compassion, and empathy. And it’s about being welcoming.” – Judy Greer

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

48 Hours movie (1982) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083511/

Film Rating Guide - https://www.motionpictures.org/film-ratings/

Top Gun movie (1986) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092099/

The Shining movie (1980) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/

Alamo Drafthouse Cinema - https://drafthouse.com/austin

37th Street Austin Light Display - https://www.instagram.com/37thstreetlights/

Arrested Development - https://www.netflix.com/title/70140358

13 Going on 30 movie (2004) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337563/

The Descendants movie (2011) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1033575/

I Don’t Know What You Know Me From: Confessions of a Co-Star by Judy Greer - https://amzn.to/4hiDC0y

The Best Christmas Pageant Ever: A Christmas Holiday Book for Kids by Barbara Robinson - https://amzn.to/3YzrNfh

The Best Christmas Pageant Ever movie (2024) - https://bestchristmaspageantever.movie/

Archer - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486217/

Citizen Ruth movie (1996) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115906/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Dallas Jenkins - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0420817/?ref_=tt_ov_dr_1

Pete Holmes - https://peteholmes.com/

Guest’s Links:

Judy’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/missjudygreer

Judy’s Twitter - https://x.com/missjudygreer

Judy’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/OfficialJudyGreer/

Movie Links:

The Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bestchristmaspageantevermovie/

The Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/BestChristmasPageantEverMovie

The Best Christmas Pageant Ever’s Twitter - https://x.com/BCPEMovie

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Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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Let’s be honest: there are seasons in life when things feel heavy and hard and the thought of breaking through the noise and negativity seems impossible. But with a little retooling of perspective, you can shift the conversation to one that is more productive and more hope-filled. In this episode, Timothy Shriver discusses his lifelong commitment to promoting dignity and unity through his work with the Special Olympics and the Dignity Index. He shares practical steps (and real-life examples gleaned from guests of his brand new Need A Lift? podcast) to demonstrate how you can turn a difficult conversation into an opportunity to form a connection.

And if that’s not enough, Jen and Amy dig into some of their biggest fears – the ones they want to Bless and Release. 

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Thought-provoking Quotes:

“I was being invited into a world in which the pursuit of making the world better, more just, more hopeful was a joyful pursuit. It wasn’t a burden. It wasn’t a responsibility of commitment you had to keep.” – Tim Shriver

"We need people willing to take a chance – on each other, on trying again, on their communities." – Tim Shriver

“Without losing my passion, without losing my commitment to the issues, I can still treat people with dignity.” – Tim Shriver

"Contempt for each other is the problem and treating each other with dignity is the solution." – Tim Shriver

“We can’t get legislation in most states or at the Federal level that embodies either of those majority opinions [border security and gun control] because the contempt on the extremes is so dominating the conversation that our political leaders find it in their best interest not to solve the problem or too scary to try.” – Tim Shriver

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

The Special Olympics - https://www.specialolympics.org/

Fully Alive: Discovering What Matters Most by Tim Shriver - https://amzn.to/3NXAie9

The Dignity Index - https://www.dignity.us/

Tim’s Need A Lift Podcast - https://www.timothyshriver.com/projects/need-a-lift

How Michael and Nicole Phelps Unlearned the Fear of Losing - https://apple.co/3NGKiYI

A Special Olympics Gold Medalist on Authenticity and Play: Loretta Claiborne - https://apple.co/4hhBbLF

Simon Sinek Believes that Idealism Belongs In the Workplace - https://apple.co/4dXmjj0

Taking Off Our Masks through Confession with Fr. Mike Schmitz - https://apple.co/48gAlLl

Guest’s Links:

Tim’s website - https://www.timothyshriver.com/

Tim’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/timothyshriver

Tim’s Twitter - https://x.com/TimShriver

Tim’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/timshriver/

Tim’s Need A Lift Podcast - https://www.timothyshriver.com/projects/need-a-lift

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Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

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Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

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Jen and Amy are beyond thrilled to welcome none other than late-night legend Stephen Colbert and his amazing wife, Evie McGee Colbert, to the show! They’re dishing about their brand-new cookbook, Does This Taste Funny?—a project born right in the middle of pandemic life at home. Stephen and Evie share the hilarious backstory of how this all came together, dive into their kitchen quirks (spoiler: they don’t always see eye-to-eye in the kitchen), and their mutual love for Gullah cuisine from the heart of South Carolina’s Lowcountry. From the joy of cooking together to a classic metal spoon disaster, it’s the perfect blend of laughter, food, and a little bit of chaos.

On today’s show: 

• Jen and Amy discuss their mixed feelings about high school reunions
• Jen offers some sage guidance to young girls about how not to accessorize in their senior photos
• Amy shows off in front of the Colberts with her plate of (gluten-free) Patti McGee’s Cheese Biscuits from their cookbook
• The group tries to unpack what made our children’s generation so sensitive about food expiration dates 
• Stephen shares the story about how he got radicalized by fancy butter 

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Thought-provoking Quotes:

“Anytime somebody brings me my own cookbook – which is only a few years old at this point – and it’s dirty, filthy, greasy, I am thrilled. It’s the best compliment.” – Jen Hatmaker

“My mom grew up in the heyday of processed foods. She didn’t have a lot of recipes that didn’t come from the back of a bottle of chili sauce or a packet of dried soup mix. So that’s where I started my culinary journey.” – Stephen Colbert

“Those people who have cooking shows are amazing. Shout out to anyone who has to cook and talk in front of a camera.” – Evie Colbert

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Flavors: The Junior League of San Antonio (1978) - https://www.abebooks.com/9780961041601/Flavors-Junior-League-San-Antonio-0961041609/plp

The Pioneer Woman Cooks: Recipes from an Accidental Country Girl by Ree Drummond (2009) - https://amzn.to/3Ue0eWd

The Colbert Report - https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-colbert-report/umc.cmc.3k1kkmfgd34hfnk8mc6p1uj01

"I Hope This Grief Stays With Me" - Andrew Garfield Fights Back Tears And Celebrates His Mom - YouTube - https://youtu.be/_u_TswLQ4ws?si=Ah2cbnW3-5AiyAlF

The Daily Show - https://www.cc.com/fan-hub/the-daily-show

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

After Midnight - https://www.cbs.com/shows/after-midnight/

Montclair Film - https://montclairfilm.org/

Does This Taste Funny?: Recipes Our Family Loves - https://amzn.to/3YoJeix

Feed These People: Slam-Dunk Recipes for Your Crew by Jen Hatmaker - https://amzn.to/3BNozvM

Candied Hot Peppers from Tiny Pizza Kitchen in Brooklyn - https://www.tinypizzakitchen.com/buy-chilies

Guest’s Links:

Stephen’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stephenathome/

Stephen’s Twitter - https://x.com/StephenAtHome

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Website - https://www.cbs.com/shows/the-late-show-with-stephen-colbert/

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/colbertlateshow/

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Twitter - https://x.com/ColbertLateShow

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/colbertlateshow/

The Late Show with Stephen Colbert YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/ColbertLateShow

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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Friends, today’s episode is a powerhouse! We’ve got Sharon McMahon, aka “America’s Government Teacher,” bringing some serious wisdom from her new book, "The Small and the Mighty." Even the drafters of the Constitution worried about chaos, but they hoped for better things—and Sharon’s here to show us how twelve lesser-known heroes in American history made a huge impact on democracy. She’s drawing parallels to how we can still shape our future today, no matter how small we feel. Get ready to be inspired, y’all! Let’s dive in!

In this hope-filled chat:

• Jen and Amy muse around which historical figures they would most like to meet and we get a glimpse of their preferred election night routines
• Sharon highlights the arc of her career from an award-winning yarn influencer known as the Yarnista, to a photographer, to “America’s Government Teacher”
• We discuss the need for reliable sources of factual information in a world filled to the brim with fake news and disinformation
• Sharon explains why we shouldn’t sit out during state and local elections
• We talk about a variety of ways to engage in democracy beyond just voting
• And Sharon fields questions from members of our audience.

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Thought-provoking Quotes:

“We’re all tired, we’re exhausted from the endless partisanship and the fake news and the disinformation and vitriol.” – Jen Hatmaker

“I started noticing that there were a lot of people that were just really confidently wrong on the internet, saying things like ‘the electoral college is a university you can graduate from’.”– Sharon McMahon

“There’s a big list of people, especially women, who never, ever get the credit when it comes to the civil rights movement – it’s the attorneys, it's the Thurgood Marshalls, it’s the Freddie Grays,  it’s the Martin Luther Kings.,and, of course, what they did is incredibly important but… there are a lot of women with whom this hot air balloon does not get off the ground. There is no leaving the ground without the significant contributions of women.” – Sharon McMahon

“We have to stop viewing this as a zero sum game in which our enemies must be defeated or destroyed. That’s an onramp to dictatorship.” – Sharon McMahon

“There are many ways to be involved in democracy. It’s not just voting and running for office. There’s not one prescription for how to be involved. Do things you are good at and contribute in your own way. We can’t all be parade goers.” – Sharon McMahon

“We tend to put all of our eggs in this basket of who will win the presidential election but who gets elected in your state matters so much. The things that really affect your daily life are defined at the state and local level.” – Sharon McMahon

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

The Henry Fite House of Baltimore - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Fite_House

The Angry Trout Cafe, Grand Mariais, MN - https://www.angrytroutcafe.com/

The Small and the Mighty: Twelve Unsung Americans Who Changed the Course of History, from the Founding to the Civil Rights Movement by Sharon McMahon - https://amzn.to/3NsoqjI

Guest’s Links:

Sharon’s website - https://sharonmcmahon.com/

Sharon’s Newsletter, The Preamble - https://thepreamble.com/

Sharon’s Governerds Book Club - https://sharonmcmahon.com/products/governerds-insider

Sharon’s Here’s Where It Gets Interesting Podcast - https://sharonmcmahon.com/podcast

Sharon’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/sharonsaysso

Sharon’s Twitter - https://x.com/sharon_says_so

Sharon’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/sharonsaysso/

Sharon’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@sharonsaysso

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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In this engaging conversation, actress, activist, and all-around beautiful human, Yvette Nicole Brown, gives us a lesson on the fundamental importance of joy, the blessings of caregiving, and the significance of community support. Through an exploration of Yvettes’ career, first in the music business, and now in the entertainment industry, she and Jen and Amy discuss the many challenges that face black women today while also talking about one of black women’s greatest superpowers – the sisterhood that exists among them. They lean into how white women can learn to harness that power in their relationships, too, and the things that can be done to support their sisters of color right now. Yvette also reflects on her personal life as a devoted caregiver, and dishes for a moment about the beauty of finding love in your late 50s.

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Thought-provoking Quotes:

“I don’t know as a kid that I ever thought that I would be a star. I always felt that I would be impactful in people's lives in some way because of the way that I love people.” – Yvette Nicole Brown

“I am still pinching myself. I’m Forrest Gump in the flesh – in real life – because I just say yes to things that feel right and God just takes me to the next opportunity to do the same.” – Yvette Nicole Brown

“That’s why black women are always so close with each other because whenever you see a ‘sista’, you know her story, without knowing her story. That’s why we call each other ‘sista’, because we know what she’s been through. Same thing with black men. ‘Brotha’. ‘Sista’. We know what the other person has been through and we stand with each other and support each other. But here’s the thing, we stand with and support everybody else too. And that’s why we say ‘vote like black women, think like black women’. That’s not hubris. That’s not arrogance. That’s heart. That’s soul.” – Yvette Nicole Brown

“When it comes to anything that comes up in the news, culture, current events, whatever’s going on, if I feel even a modicum of uncertainty about how to feel about it, I just look to the black women. It’s the correct reading of the room. The response is always for the greater good. It’s what’s good for culture, for people, our neighbors, progress, equality.” – Jen Hatmaker

“Instead of me showing you my pain, I’m going to use my joy as my strength and I’m going to dance and laugh through this thing.” – Yvette Nicole Brown

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

I Take My Coffee Black: Reflections on Tupac, Musical Theater, Faith, and Being Black in America by Tyler Merritt - https://amzn.to/3U6nMfN

Yvette’s acting and producing credits - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1304328/

Kamala Harris for President - https://kamalaharris.com/

How Black Women Organizers Broke Zoom to Raise $1.5 Million - Fortune.com 

K-Pops by Anderson .Paak at Toronto International Film Festival - https://tiff.net/events/k-pops

Frasier - https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/frasier-2023/

Among Us - https://www.innersloth.com/voice-cast-for-the-among-us-animated-series-round-1/

Donors Choose - https://www.donorschoose.org/

The Creative Coalition Commission on Caregiving - https://thecreativecoalition.org/caregiving/

Emily’s List

Guest’s Links:

Yvette’s website - http://www.actressyvettenicolebrown.com/

Yvette’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/yvettenicolebrown

Yvette’s Twitter - https://x.com/ynb

Yvette’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/YvetteNBrown/

Yvette’s Squeezed Docupodcast - https://lemonadamedia.com/show/squeezed/

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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This week Jen and Amy sit down with the charismatic and engaging Stanley Tucci, to discuss his new book, 'What I Ate in One Year', that explores the deep connections we can find amongst the food we eat, the memories we make, and the emotions we feel and how our cultural practices around food can provide fuel for us, not just in times of celebration, but can also provide us comfort in times of grief. Stanley reflects on how food plays a role in both joyous and difficult moments, emphasizing the importance of sharing meals with loved ones, hoping that readers will find comfort and connection through his work, especially in a time when we are all experiencing more loneliness and disconnection.

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Thought-provoking Quotes:

"You're such a Renaissance man." – Jen Hatmaker

"I like it so much more when we all eat together." – Stanley Tucci

"Food is just a part of life, which means it's a part of death too." – Stanley Tucci

“When somebody brings me bread, that’s my person. Let’s get married.” – Jen Hatmaker

“Even if you’re in a really shitty place, even if the food is terrible, but you’re eating with people that you love, it’ll be a memorable meal.” – Stanley Tucci

“I don’t want to eat a well done burger. I’d rather eat an extra side of fries.” – Jen Hatmaker

“Eating outdoors makes things taste better. Why is that? I don’t know but the place is crucial…in a weird way. It can change the taste of things.” – Stanley Tucci

“We think that in the moment we’re going to remember something forever but we don't. It just slips away. Even just writing your story down for you has meaning.” – Jen Hatmaker

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Stanley Tucci’s new book 'What I Ate in One Year' - https://amzn.to/484rxb2

Big Night (1996) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115678/

CNN Show: Searching for Italy - https://www.cnn.com/shows/stanley-tucci-searching-for-italy

Stanley Tucci makes a Negroni for his wife, Felicity - https://bit.ly/4h2L9QW

The Devil Wears Prada (2006) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458352/

Stanley Tucci’s film bio - https://imdb.to/3YgfeW2

Stanley Tucci’s theater bio - https://playbill.com/person/stanley-tucci-vault-0000019856

Taste: My Life Through Food by Stanley Tucci - https://amzn.to/4f08P6Y

Guest’s Links:

Stanley’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/StanleyTucci

Stanley’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stanleytucci/

Stanley’s TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@stanley.tucci

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Named a best podcast of 2023 by Vulture, Time, The Economist, & Vogue. No question too big, no question too small. On Search Engine, host PJ Vogt answers the kinds of questions you might ask the internet when you can't sleep. If you find the world bewildering, but also sometimes enjoy being bewildered by it, we're here for you. Edited by Sruthi Pinnamaneni.

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In this month’s Jen Hatmaker Book Club episode, we speak with the author of A Woman of Intelligence, Karin Tanabe. In this fascinating interview, we learn that Karin originally set out to write a book about WWII women code breakers, but ended up turning it into an ode to the struggles of women finding themselves during early motherhood and the imminent right they have to a future chosen for themselves. The story follows a woman in the 50’s who sets out on a spy adventure, departing wildly from her mundane life, and making difficult choices that come with choosing yourself over society’s whims.

Jen and Karin personally and candidly reflect on the pressures of motherhood, the erasure of self that can come with parenting full time, and the history that brought us to where we are today.

Some topic points include: 

• The fascinating pivot from Tanabe's original book pitch to the creation of "A Woman of Intelligence"
• Discussion of rarely-taught aspects of U.S. history, including government-funded childcare during WWII
• Tanabe’s approach to crafting complex characters, including the memorable mother-in-law
• The careful construction of the novel's open-ended finale

Join Jen and Karin for an engaging conversation that will leave you eager to dive into "A Woman of Intelligence" and reflect on how far we've come – and how far we still have to go.

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Resources & Books Mentioned in This Episode:

A Woman of Intelligence by Karin Tanabe - https://bit.ly/47GdbxI

The Sunset Crowd by Karin Tanabe - https://www.karintanabe.com/copy-of-the-list

A Hundred Suns - https://www.karintanabe.com/a-hundred-suns

Karin’s Booklist - https://www.karintanabe.com/books-w3tou

Elizabeth Bentley - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Bentley

The Lanham Act of 1940 (Government-Subsidized Health Care) - https://bit.ly/3XS2Uen

The Red Scare - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare

The Cliffs by J. Courtney Sullivan - https://bit.ly/4evbYLG

Private Equity: A Memoir by Carrie Sun - https://bit.ly/3Bbgy3w

Eyeliner by Zahra Hankir - https://bit.ly/4gDgdqC

Guest’s Links:

Karin’s Website: https://www.karintanabe.com/

Karin’s Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/karintanabe

Karin’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karintanabe

Karin’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/authorkarintanabe

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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This week Jen and Amy dive deep into the mind of bestselling author and one of the most influential thinkers of the 2000’s, Malcolm Gladwell. Exploring the intriguing concepts behind his latest book, The Revenge of the Tipping Point, the conversation ebbs and flows through Malcolm's ability to turn dense data into compelling narratives, weaving stories that captivate readers in unexpected ways. Jen and Amy key into Malcolm's knack for viewing problems from unique angles, a skill that sets him apart in academic and popular discourse. 

Throughout the chat, Malcolm reveals how his perspectives have evolved over the last 25 years and how the nuances of today's world demand a fresh interpretation of the ideas that he first introduced. Their discussion underscores the blend of rigorous analysis and storytelling magic that defines Malcolm's work and leaves a lasting impact on listeners eager to engage with the pressing questions of our time.

Malcolm gives us insight into all manner of cultural phenomena, including: 

• A definition of “overstories” and how they can refine and deepen our understanding of the spread of customs, mores, and practices
• The advent of “superspreaders:” those very few people who have a large amount of influence, a situation which has shifted with the onset of social media
• Snippets of fascinating social observations, illustrated in stories from his book including a look at the opioid epidemic, the growing mental health issues of students, and the power of television shows like “Will & Grace,” toward creating massive cultural shifts 

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“The overstory that is over our heads right now that we're not thinking about is one that says the most important way to understand ourselves and our differences from others is to look through the lens of politics. I think political ideology has somehow kind of become central in a way that it wasn't 25 years ago. That's a kind of weird thing going on right now that we're sort of not paying attention to. I'm hopeful that will shift. I would much rather people find themselves using other categories. Because there are other categories that are far more meaningful.” - Malcolm Gladwell

"If you look at platforms like Twitter or TikTok, you'll see that a very small number of people have a massive amount of reach. As we examine how we're influenced, it's clear that the sources and individuals projecting influence in the world are getting smaller and smaller — which is weird, because we initially thought the opposite was happening." - Malcolm Gladwell

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

What’s Going On by Marvin Gaye - https://bit.ly/3TLRne5

Sunday Bloody Sunday by U2 - https://bit.ly/4gQTdEC

Losing My Religion by R.E.M - https://open.spotify.com/track/31AOj9sFz2gM0O3hMARRBx

Malcolm’s Book List - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/landing-page/malcolm-gladwell-books/

Revenge of the Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell - https://bit.ly/3XYc7BN

Anna Muller - https://umdearborn.edu/people-um-dearborn/anna-muller

Seth Robertson - https://philosophy.fas.harvard.edu/people/seth-robertson

Will and Grace - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_%26_Grace

Guest’s Links:

Malcolm’s Website - https://www.gladwellbooks.com/

Malcolm’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/gladwell

Malcolm’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/malcolmgladwellbooks/

Malcolm’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/malcolmgladwell/

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

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This week, step into the studio (and kitchen!) with Jen and Amy as they have an intimate and insightful conversation with the iconic Ina Garten, a true pioneer in the culinary world who has shaped the way we cook at home. As they delve into Ina's groundbreaking career, from the beloved Barefoot Contessa specialty food shop to the 28 seasons of her cherished TV show, you'll discover the heart and humor behind Ina's success. Amidst laughter and heartwarming tales, the conversation takes a deeper turn as Ina opens up about her new memoir, “Be Ready When the Luck Happens,” providing candid insights into her life, including her early days with husband Jeffrey and the triumphs and challenges that have defined her journey. 

Topics include: 

• Being open to unexpected opportunities can lead to fulfilling paths.
• The importance of maintaining a sense of humor and lightheartedness on the journey to success and connection.
• Behind the scenes of Ina’s relationship with her husband of 56 years, Jeffrey, where she underscores the value of strong support systems and partnerships in achieving balance and joy.

Whether you're a longtime fan or new to Ina's world, this episode offers a personal glimpse into the life of a culinary legend who continues to inspire us all.

PLUS don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussion about foods they ate as kids that they wouldn’t dare touch now, and the cooking shows that first caught their attention as young wives and moms.

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

“I think that we all need one person and we don't need a lot of people, just need one person who really believes in us. And fortunately for me, it was Jeffrey…He always made me feel like I was smart and I could accomplish anything I wanted to do with no reservations, no judgment. And it doesn't have to be a spouse. It can be a sister. It can be a teacher. It can be a parent. We all need to find that one person who really believes in us. At least that's my experience.” - Ina Garten

“I think one of the things that we're always taught when we're young is; what are you going to be when you grow up? And you're not going to be one thing anymore. You're going to do something and it's going to lead to something else, and then it's going to lead to something else. If you decide when you're young what you're going to be and that's it, you're never going to learn anything. I think it's the twists and turns that are really interesting.” - Ina Garten

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

Feed These People by Jen Hatmaker - https://shop.jenhatmaker.com/products/ftp-book

Be My Guest with Ina Garten - https://bit.ly/3TvsfIx

Be Ready When Luck Happens: A Memoir by Ina Garten - https://bit.ly/3ZndFqh

Strapless: John Singer Sargent and the Fall of Madame X by Deborah Davis - https://bit.ly/3XPOo76

Party of the Century: The Fabulous Story of Truman Capote and His Black and White Ball by Deborah Davis - https://bit.ly/4gvQ6l6

The Oprah Winfrey Show: Reflections on an American Legacy - https://bit.ly/47r1QS1

Tina Turner: My Love Story - https://bit.ly/3Xu76j1

Ina Garten on 60 Minutes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REyYFeqEKZg

An Unmarried Woman - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Unmarried_Woman

Ina’s Interview with John Grisham - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ9jYxkbm6s

Guest’s Links:

Barefoot Contessa (Ina’s Website) - https://barefootcontessa.com/

Ina’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/InaGarten

Ina’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOlnd-2UlwJuWcnfEKt28yg

Ina’s Pinterest - https://br.pinterest.com/inaofficial/

Ina’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/inagarten/

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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Leanne Morgan was going to quit her career as a stand up comic and start a hardware store (with a cheese wheel, no less!) before she had her major break in comedy. Making the decision to invest in herself one last time opened the doors to an incredible season and newfound success in the comedy world.

Jen, Amy, and Leanne get candid when talking about what it means to be the best version of themselves in their second act of life, and when success comes later, why it can be better than having all your dreams come true at once. 

Topics discussed include:

• Behind the scenes of Leanne’s viral success at 51
• Why being yourself is always the best answer to any problem
• How handling criticism at their ages is so much easier to deal with
• The cornbread drama — do you add sugar or not?

Also; don’t miss Jen and Amy’s discussions before the interview on Taylor Swift drama and FOMO!

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Thought-Provoking Quotes:

"Use humor to get through hard times. I think it's the best thing that can ever happen to anybody is to be able to laugh through the bad times and to forgive themselves." - Leanne Morgan

"I want [women] to know it is never too late...you're the best you've ever been. You're the smartest you've ever been. It is the best time in your life. It is the best time to start a business. It is the best time to go back to school. I just want women to know that." - Leanne Morgan

Resources Mentioned in This Episode:

What in the World? by Leanne Morgan - https://www.leannemorgan.com/book

Quiet by Susan Cain - https://susancain.net/book/quiet/

For the Love Podcast Episode ft. Jim Gaffigan - https://bit.ly/3Ximuij

Leanne’s Interview with Hallerin Hilton Hill - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xdJyhnLuc

You’re Cordially Invited - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xdJyhnLuc

Leanne Morgan at the Grand Ole Opry - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFYMFOok5s4

Guest’s Links:

Leanne’s Website - https://www.leannemorgan.com/

Leanne’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/leannecomedy

Leanne’s Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/leannemorgancomedy

Leanne’s Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/leannemorgancomedy

Connect with Jen!

Jen’s website - https://jenhatmaker.com/

Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker

Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker

The For the Love Podcast is a production of Four Eyes Media, presented by Audacy. 

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