WorkLife with Adam Grant


Organizational psychologist Adam Grant takes you inside the minds of some of the world’s most unusual professionals to discover the keys to a better work life.

  • 38 minutes 6 seconds
    A company is not a family with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky

    Brian Chesky, the CEO and cofounder of Airbnb, is firmly in the trust business. His focus isn't only on building a trusted platform for people to rent their homes to strangers — it's on earning the trust of his employees. Adam and Brian discuss how to lead with care in tough times, why it's better to overcommunicate than undercommunicate, what to expect for the future of work, and why a company should be treated as a community rather than a family. Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    21 May 2024, 4:00 am
  • 42 minutes 40 seconds
    Reimagining technology – and talking to animals – with Aza Raskin

    Years ago, Aza Raskin invented the infinite scroll – and yes, he regrets it. Today, Aza is the co-founder of the Center For Humane Technology and the Earth Species Project. Aza’s work focuses on creating and advocating for ethical technology that benefits collective well-being. For his latest project, he’s looking beyond humanity, using artificial intelligence to decode whale communication and see what lessons we might learn from the animal world. In this expansive conversation, Adam and Aza discuss ways to improve social media, how communicating with other species could change our world, and why everyone – including our governments – needs to upgrade our thinking about an AI world. Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    14 May 2024, 4:00 am
  • 30 minutes 33 seconds
    The art of failure with David Duchovny

    David Duchovny knows a lot about success — he’s a Golden Globe-winning actor who has had iconic roles from The X-Files to Californication. But as a literature PhD dropout turned director turned songwriter and novelist, David is more interested in failure and what it can teach us. Adam and David discuss the value of falling short of our goals, the perils of success, and whether nice people really finish last. David’s new podcast Fail Better is out now. Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    7 May 2024, 4:00 am
  • 35 minutes 7 seconds
    The art of vulnerability and connection with comedian Mae Martin

    Mae Martin is a comedian, improviser, screenwriter, and podcast host. Their work on Netflix includes the stand-up special Sap and the aptly named TV series Feel Good. Adam and Mae chat about the value of vulnerability in connection, snapping out of procrastination, shame spirals, and life lessons from the art of improvisation.

    Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    30 April 2024, 4:00 am
  • 32 minutes 37 seconds
    Kara Swisher on speaking truth to power

    Kara Swisher made her name by being disarmingly direct with the who’s who of tech – from Steve Jobs to Bill Gates to Elon Musk. So why doesn’t she like the phrase “speak truth to power?” The journalist, author, and host of the popular podcasts Pivot and On joins Adam to discuss her history of assertiveness and her strategies for challenging authority. Then, they dive into Silicon Valley’s favorite status symbols, the difference between being demanding and being demeaning, and the future of technology and accountability. Kara’s latest book, Burn Book: A Tech Love Story, is out now.

    Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    23 April 2024, 4:00 am
  • 39 minutes 30 seconds
    Anne Lamott's thoughts on love, writing, and being judgy

    Anne Lamott may be your favorite writer’s favorite writer. The author of many beloved books, including the modern classic Bird by Bird, Anne’s writing is singularly insightful, moving, and oftentimes funny. Adam and Anne chat about the art of great writing, the challenges of being kinder to others and ourselves, and the lessons to be learned from a life examined. Then, Anne helps with a special request. Anne’s latest book, Somehow: Thoughts on Love, is out now.

    Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    16 April 2024, 4:00 am
  • 35 minutes 21 seconds
    How to make the most of your twenties with Meg Jay

    How important are your twenties — and how bad are they? Meg Jay is a clinical psychologist who specializes in young adult development in twenty year-olds. She and Adam review the science of what makes this developmental period important, discuss the common mistakes that we make, and share tips for twentysomethings (and parents) navigating this tumultuous decade. Meg’s latest book, The Twentysomething Treatment, is out now.

    9 April 2024, 4:00 am
  • 41 minutes 11 seconds
    Yuval Noah Harari on what history teaches us about justice and peace

    Yuval Noah Harari is a historian best known for his book Sapiens, which has sold more than 25 million copies and been translated into 65 languages. Adam and Yuval examine the power of stories in shaping humanity’s success, discuss the tension between justice and peace, and reconsider the true purpose of studying history. Yuval’s latest book, Unstoppable Us, Volume 2: Why The World Isn’t Fair, is for young readers and it’s out now.

    Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    2 April 2024, 4:00 am
  • 42 minutes 46 seconds
    The science of memory with Charan Ranganath

    Charan Ranganath is a psychologist and neuroscientist who has spent his career studying memory. His new book, Why We Remember, surveys the latest science on the subject and digs into the links between memory and identity. Charan and Adam discuss surprising evidence on why we remember, what we forget, and how learning new ideas happens.

    26 March 2024, 4:00 am
  • 35 minutes 50 seconds
    Understanding the pendulum swing of global power with Ian Bremmer

    As a political scientist and founder of Eurasia Group, Ian Bremmer helps business leaders, policymakers and the general public make sense of the world. He gives a stirring analysis of the current state of global affairs and explains what makes 2024 so complex. Ian and Adam discuss the cyclical nature of geopolitics, what’s different about today’s crisis of democracy, and what we can do as individuals to cope with it.

    Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    19 March 2024, 4:00 am
  • 31 minutes 46 seconds on AI — and the future of creativity

    You may know as the seven-time Grammy Award-winning singer, songwriter, producer, and frontman of The Black Eyed Peas. But his interests beyond music have also taken him down a surprising and creative path — from serving as the director of creative innovation at Intel, to becoming the first artist to stream a song from the surface of Mars, to hosting the first radio show with an AI co-host. Adam asks about’s creative process and digs into how he turns his expansive ideas into reality. also shares his hopes and fears about the future of technology and entertainment, and the two debate what AI can and can’t do for human creativity.

    Transcripts for ReThinking are available at

    12 March 2024, 4:00 am
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