Visual Artist and educator, Lydia Panas and I have a wonderful conversation about her work including her books, Falling from Grace (self published), The Mark of Abel (Kehrer Verlag), and Sleeping Beauty (MW Editions). We talk about her use of allegorical themes as a way of pushing back against them and we talk extensively about how she works with and connects with her models and how all her work has a deep personal connection to her own epxeriences.

http://www.lydiapanas.com ||| https://www.instagram.com/lydiapanas_/ ||| https://www.facebook.com/lydia.panas |||

https://www.kehrerverlag.com/en/lydia-panas-the-mark-of-abel-978-3-86828-229-0 |||
https://mweditions.com/books/lydia-panas-sleeping-beauty/

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Lydia Panas is a visual artist working with photography and video. A first-generation American, she was raised between Greece and the United States. Panas’ work looks at identity and what lies below the surface, investigating questions of who we are and what we want to become. Her work is made in the fields, forests, and studio of her family farm in Pennsylvania. The connection she feels to this land is the foundation of her work.

Panas’ work has been exhibited widely in the U.S. and internationally. Her photographs are represented in public and private collections including the Brooklyn Museum, the Bronx Museum, the Museum of Fine Arts Houston, Palm Springs Art Museum, Michener Art Museum, Allentown Art Museum, Museum of Contemporary Photography Chicago, Museum of Photographic Arts San Diego, the Sheldon Museum, Zendai MoMA Shanghai, among others. Her work has appeared in periodicals such as The New Yorker, the New York Times Magazine, The Village Voice, French Photo, Hyperallergic, Photo District News, Popular Photography, San Francisco Chronicle, Rain Taxi Review of Books, Flavorpill, WSJ Blog, GEO Wissen, Die Volkskrant, Haaretz, and the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Abelardo Morell joins me to talk about his storied career and incredible passion for photography and art history. We talk about Flowers for Lisa, published by Abrams Books and Tent-Camera, published by Nazraeli Press, including the inspiration and the inventiveness of these works and the work that came before and after. Abe's work has long been fundamental to my teaching practice and his love of the process and the possibilities of photography as an art form still drive him today long after retiring from 30 years of teaching at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design.

https://www.abelardomorell.net

In the Company of Monet and Constable - Nov 23, 2024 – Feb 17, 2025 https://www.clarkart.edu/exhibition/detail/abelardo-morell-in-the-company-of-monet-and-consta

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Abelardo Morell was born in Havana, Cuba in 1948. He immigrated to the United States with his parents in 1962.  Morell received his undergraduate degree from Bowdoin College and his MFA from The Yale University School of Art. He has received an honorary degree from Bowdoin College in 1997 and from Lesley University in 2014. He was professor of Photography at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design in Boston from 1983 to 2010.

His publications include a photographic illustration of Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland(1998) by Dutton Children’s Books, A Camera in a Room(1995) by Smithsonian Press, A Book of Books (2002) and Camera Obscura (2004) by Bulfinch Press and Abelardo Morell(2005), published by Phaidon Press. The Universe Next Door(2013), published by The Art Institute of Chicago.  Tent-Camera (2018), published by Nazraeli Press. Flowers for Lisa (2018), published by Abrams Books.

His latest show, Abelardo Morell: In the Company of Monet and Constable, will be at the The Clark Institute in Williamstown, MA, on view November 23, 2024 - February 17, 202

Here are some of the recordings I made at the 2024 Chico Review with the wonderful attendees who come to Chico to share their work and their stories with incredible reviewers. I had the opportunity to spend a short amount of time with over 20 attendees. These conversations come from our first interactions for me and the guests with each other and I did not see the work before the recordings. That meant the description of the work had to be fine tuned just as it does for a portfolio review. So what you will here is similar to a portfolio presentation. I’ve also linked to the guest’s Instagram and Websites so you can see the work. One last note, I was recording in a variety of spaces at the beautiful Chico Hot Springs resort so there may be a number of different ambient sounds across the recordings.

The Chico Review is the country’s premier Photobook Retreat. Organized by Charcoal Book Club, The Chico Review takes place over six nights at Chico Hot Springs Resort, near Livingston Montana. Sixty-four applicants will be selected by our jury and invited to spend the week with over twenty of the most influential and creative photographers, book makers, gallerists, museum curators, and photobook publishers in the industry. One full scholarship and five partial scholarships will be awarded. Student discounts and need-based scholarships will be available to those selected who qualify.

Apply Now: https://www.chicoreview.com/2025

alexander laurent rubalcava 02:30 https://alexanderlaurent.com ||| https://www.instagram.com/alexander_laurent

Daniel Frost 14:25 https://danielfrost2.mypixieset.com ||| https://www.instagram.com/danfrost.jpg/

Katharine Kollman 19:05 https://katharinekollman.com ||| https://www.instagram.com/cassec0u/

Rashod Taylor 30:10 https://www.rashodtaylor.com ||| https://www.instagram.com/rashodtaylorphoto/

Photographer, publisher, designer, and coffee roaster, Clint Woodside joined me at the 2024 Chico Review to talk about Deadbeat Club Press  and his own photography. We talk about how he partners with artists to make work and books, how he thinks about publishing as a family business, and we talk extensively about his own photography. In particular, Clint and I discuss an ongoing series that touches upon his upbringing and family in New York but also remains somewhat undefined which is how Clint prefers to make work.

http://www.clintwoodside.com || https://deadbeatclubpress.com || https://www.instagram.com/clintwoodside/ || https://www.instagram.com/deadbeatclub/ || https://www.facebook.com/DeadbeatClubPress

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Real Photo Show Live recording at Affirmation Arts on October 17th: https://www.danastirling.com/updates/2024/affirmation-arts

Clint Woodside is a photographer born in Buffalo, NY. He has published over ten books including Let Me Die In My Footsteps (2013), Build Us A Path (2014) Undercover Cars (2016) and Vineland (2017). His work has been widely exhibited and published in the United States and overseas, including New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, London, Tokyo, Sweden, China, Seoul, and Australia. Woodside is also known for his extensive work as a curator and as creator of Deadbeat Club - a publisher and distributor of small books and publications with a diverse roster of photographers. He currently resides in Los Angeles, CA.

Established in 2011 by Clint Woodside, Deadbeat Club is an award winning independent publisher & coffee roaster located in Los Angeles, California. Rooted in contemporary photography, our ethos on small run, limited edition publications carries into our small batch single origin, signature blend and limited release coffees.

Each Deadbeat Club project is selected with the expectation of collaboration and a longstanding partnership. Working closely with photographers and artists around the world, making sure their original vision is never compromised, we produce a body of work that we are proud to share with our community.

Here are some of the recordings I made at the 2024 Chico Review with the wonderful attendees who come to Chico to share their work and their stories with incredible reviewers. I had the opportunity to spend a short amount of time with over 20 attendees. These conversations come from our first interactions for me and the guests with each other and I did not see the work before the recordings. That meant the description of the work had to be fine tuned just as it does for a portfolio review. So what you will here is similar to a portfolio presentation. I've also linked to the guest's Instagram and Websites so you can see the work. One last note, I was recording in a variety of spaces at the beautiful Chico Hot Springs resort so there may be a number of different ambient sounds across the recordings.

The Chico Review is the country’s premier Photobook Retreat. Organized by Charcoal Book Club, The Chico Review takes place over six nights at Chico Hot Springs Resort, near Livingston Montana. Sixty-four applicants will be selected by our jury and invited to spend the week with over twenty of the most influential and creative photographers, book makers, gallerists, museum curators, and photobook publishers in the industry. One full scholarship and five partial scholarships will be awarded. Student discounts and need-based scholarships will be available to those selected who qualify.

Apply Now: https://www.chicoreview.com/2025

Alexander Iglesias 02:23 https://alexiglesias.net/ | https://www.instagram.com/alexander_d_i/

Caitlin Bagwell 06:35 https://www.caitlinbagwell.photography | https://www.instagram.com/cebagwell/

Ian Edward White 10:57 https://ianedwardwhite.com/ | https://www.instagram.com/ianedwardwhite/

Melissa Guerrero 20:24 https://www.mommyobserver.com | https://www.instagram.com/theobserver_meli/

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I visited Mark Alice Durant at his home in Maryland to talk about his book, Summer of the White Fox, and After, published by Saint Lucy Books. We talk about how Mark came to photography and why he started his own publishing imprint. Summer of the White Fox, and After is a memoir and a monograph, with a touch of history and philosophy weaved into the essay. It is a recounting of grief and loss that enveloped Mark and his family through distinct events and all during the pandemic. It is also a story about experiencing love and care in ways that were, perhaps, unforseeable before all of the tragedies struck Mark’s family.

https://www.saintlucybooks.com/shop/p/summer-of-the-white-fox-and-after | https://www.instagram.com/saint_lucy_books/

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Mark Alice Durant is a photographer whose photographs, installations, and performances have been presented internationally including the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, the Museum of Contemporary Art in Chicago and Artist’s Space in New York. In 1991, he co-founded the performance duo ‘men of the world’ that for 10 years performed on the streets of Chicago, Toronto, Seattle, New York, Houston, San Francisco, and other cities. He has written extensively on the nexus of photography, performance and cultural phenomena with essays appearing in such journals as Art in America, Art on Paper, ArtUS, Art Journal, Afterimage, Dear Dave, Exposure, New Art Examiner, and PLUK. Durant is the editor of the online journal Saint Lucy which is devoted to writing about photography, contemporary art and the lovely people of Baltimore. He has contributed to numerous catalogs, monographs and anthologies including The Passionate Camera: Photography and Bodies of Desire, The Gothic, Jimmie Durham and Marco Breuer: Early Recordings. He is author of McDermott and McGough: A History of Photography, Robert Heinecken: A Material History and co-author of Vik Muniz: Seeing is Believing and Dressed for Thrills: 100 Years of Halloween Costume and Masquerade. In 2005, Durant co-curated and co-authored Blur of the Otherworldly: Contemporary Art, Technology and the Paranormal. Durant was co-curator of Some Assembly Required: Collage Culture in Post-War America in 2002 and in 2008, he curated Notes on Monumentality at the Baltimore Museum of Art. He has served on the faculties of the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, UCLA, the University of New Mexico, Syracuse University, and the Milton Avery Graduate School for the Arts at Bard College. He has received grants and fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts, the Fleishhacker Foundation, the Center for Creative Photography, the Illinois Arts Council, and the MacDowell Colony. Professor Durant received his B.F.A. from Massachusetts College of Art and M.F.A. from the San Francisco Art Institute.

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Tim Carpenter and I met up at the 2024 Chico Review to talk about his latest book Little, published by The Ice Plant.  We talk about how Little is the last in a trilogy of Tim’s books, Local Objects and Christmas Day, Bucks Pond Road, both also published by The Ice Plant. Even though Tim was on PhotoWork with Sasha Wolf in 2023 to talk about To Photograph Is To Learn How To Die, and we do not take a deep dive into that work, we do end up having an amazing philisophical discussion about photography, his work, and his style of writing in that book.

https://www.timcarpenterphotography.com |  https://www.instagram.com/timcarpenter |  https://theiceplant.cc/product/little/

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Tim Carpenter is a photographer, writer, and educator who works in Brooklyn and central Illinois. He is the author of several photobooks, among them “Little” (The Ice Plant); “A month of Sundays” (TIS books); “Christmas Day, Bucks Pond Road” (The Ice Plant); “Local objects” (The Ice Plant); “township” (TIS/dumbsaint); “Bement grain” (TIS/dumbsaint); “Still feel gone” (Deadbeat Club Press); “The king of the birds” (TIS books); and “A house and a tree” (TIS books). Tim received an MFA in Photography from the Hartford Art School in 2012. He is a faculty member of the Penumbra Foundation Long Term Photobook Program and serves as a mentor in the Image Threads Mentorship Program. Tim’s book-length essay “To photograph is to learn how to die” was published by The Ice Plant in Fall 2022.

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Photographer and Pediatrician, Greg Gulbransen joins me to talk about his book, Say Less, published by Gost Books.  Greg and I talk about how facing tragedy in his personal life and being a children’s doctor all lead to this exploration of gun violence. Greg is a unique guest in that he is both  a full-time working doctor and had great success with fashion photography. He approaches his medical work and his documentary photo work with similar ideals and practice and we talk a good deal about that. Just a small trigger warning, the life-altering event Greg describes from his own tragedy and the story and descriptions of Malik, the paralyzed former gang leader from Greg’s book, are intense and have some graphic detail. 

https://www.gulbransenphoto.com | https://www.instagram.com/greggulbransenpeds/ | https://gostbooks.com/products/say-less

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Over the course of three years, Greg Gulbransen photographed Malik, a set leader of the violent street gang, the Crips. Malik was shot and paralysed in 2018 by the bullet from a rival gang, and as a result his world now centres around his small Bronx apartment in New York, where he is cared for by his family and fellow gang members. Gulbransen, a practicing doctor, had been photographing in the Bronx during his spare time and had got to know some of the local kids. He began to notice a lot of young men in wheelchairs with spinal injuries and was professionally curious. He was told they had all been shot. He wanted to speak to someone in a wheelchair and was introduced to Malik through a fellow Crip. 

Greg started out shooting fashion but transitioned over to documenting the lives of unique individuals with interesting stories. Greg loves meeting new people and tries to preserve their legacy with photography. Greg also enjoys the solace of cold weather wildlife.    His images have been published in the New York Times, Daily Mail, ELLE, Marie Claire, Harper’s Bazaar, Northwell Health, The Weather Channel, Spirit and Flesh, Grazia and Pandora to name a few.  Some of Greg’s documentary work has been featured on the A & E Network’s History Channel.

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Shana Lopes, PhD, Assistant Curator of Photography at SFMOMA, joins me to talk about how being a curator perfectly combined her love of photography and art history. We talk about working with both historical and contemporary artists and the questions that need to be answered in order to provide proper context for the work whether done posthumously or with a current artist. We mention some past, current, and upcoming show during our conversation and three of those shows are linked below.

https://www.instagram.com/lopesshana/ | https://www.sfmoma.org/exhibition/a-living-for-us-all/ | https://www.sfmoma.org/exhibition/zanele-muholi-eye-me/ | https://www.sfmoma.org/exhibition/constellations/

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Shana Lopes, PhD, is an Assistant Curator of Photography at SFMOMA. Born and raised in San Francisco, she has curated or co-curated exhibitions such as: Constellations: Photographs in Dialogue, Sightlines: Photographs from the Collection, A Living for Us All: Artists and the WPA, Sea Change, Zanele Muholi: Eye Me, and the upcoming 2024 SECA Art Award. Over the past fourteen years, she has gained curatorial experience at the Center for Creative Photography in Tucson, Arizona, and the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.

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Photographer and educator, Harlan Bozeman and I recorded at Penumbra Foundation at the end of his residency there. Harlan is a 2024 Catchlight Global Fellow and we talk mostly about his work in Elaine, Arkansas that was recognized by Catchlight. The years of work that Harlan created and still creates in Elaine is now called “Out the E” and Harlan speaks extensively about how this town, its people, its history, and the photographs he’s made has impacted his life and his own identity. We also talk about Harlan’s family ties to the Wadmalaw Island and Gullah communities. 

https://www.harlanbozeman.com/ | https://www.catchlight.io/news/visual-storytellers-awarded-2024-catchlight-global-fellowship | https://www.catchlight.io/about-the-global-fellowship

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Harlan Bozeman is a lens-based artist whose research-driven practice has focused on confronting the erasure of Black culture and its histories, and investigating the legacies of slavery and its aftermath in the American South. His previous work explored the Gullah Sea Islands communities, specifically Wadmalaw Island where his family is from, and the narratives that serve to prolong their cultural significance.

A graduate of the University of Arkansas, Bozeman earned an MFA in Studio Art and attended the Skowhegan School of Painting and Sculpture in 2023. Bozeman holds a BA in Journalism from DePaul University in Chicago. His work has been featured in The Atlantic, British Journal of Photography, Der Grief, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal. Bozeman is currently a Visiting Assistant Professor of Photography at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock.

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Writer, Curator, and Director of Pier 24 Photography in San Francisco, Allie Haeusslein, joined me at the 2024 Chico Review and we discussed how writing about and curating photography became her passion and we talk specifically about the show, Stacy Mehrfar: The Moon Belongs to Everyone at Filter Photo, to highlight Allie's approach to curating and working with artists. We also talk about how Chris McCall invited her to be the Co-Director at Pier 24, and Allie reflects on her time at the famed institution, working with Chris McCall, and on the last show, Turning the Page, before Pier 24 closes its doors in 2025. And because we were at Chico, Allie shares some advice about following up with a good portfolio review experience.

https://www.alliehaeusslein.com | https://pier24.org | Mehrfar's show - https://www.alliehaeusslein.com/exhibitions/project-one-ephnc-8h3gb

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Allie Haeusslein is the Director of Pier 24 Photography in San Francisco, the largest space dedicated to photography in North America. Her writing has appeared in publications such as Aperture, British Journal of Photography, ART21 Magazine, and Foam Magazine.

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