Hello 2025! Kicking off the year exploring family estrangement, AI in therapy & much more…

Ann and Sue interview psychotherapist Matthias Barker, unpacking how he uses his platform of 11 million + to deliver mental health care responsibly.  They explore the complexities of parent-child estrangement and the often-overlooked generational gaps that shape how families navigate conflict. Matthias delves in to the deep wounds that spiritual harm can leave, and the conversation expands into broader themes of spirituality & the emerging presence of AI.  This wide-ranging conversation also addresses the ethical challenges of the technology and creating meaningful change, whether in family dynamics or the future of mental health care.

In this compelling episode, hosts Ann and Sue sit down with renowned psychotherapist Matthias Barker, who has built a transformative mental health platform reaching over 11 million people. The conversation weaves through several profound themes: the delicate balance of delivering mental health guidance through social media, the complex terrain of parent-child estrangement in modern families, and the lasting impact of religious trauma.

Barker offers unique insights into how generational differences shape family conflicts and healing processes, drawing from his extensive clinical experience. The discussion evolves into an exploration of spirituality in the digital age, including thought-provoking perspectives on artificial intelligence’s role in shaping human consciousness and connection.

They tackle pressing questions about technological ethics, particularly in mental healthcare delivery, while examining how meaningful change occurs—whether in healing fractured family relationships or adapting therapeutic practices for an increasingly digital world. This nuanced conversation bridges practical psychological insights with broader questions about human connection in an evolving technological landscape.

“We inherit more than genetics from our families—we inherit patterns, beliefs, and ways of relating. Healing means choosing which ones to keep and which ones to let go of.” – Matthias Barker

Time Stamps for Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm, & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255)

05:54 Generational perspectives on estrangement
12:10 Understanding emotional dynamics in families
18:12 Spiritual harm and its impact
34:55 The intersection of technology and mental health
45:08 Exploring ethical dilemmas of AI in therapy

About our Guest – Matthias Barker 

Matthias is a psychotherapist recognized for his expertise in making complex mental health concepts accessible, with a special focus on parent-child estrangement. He is the CEO of the Trauma Institute which provides clinical training for psychotherapists and education for the general public on healing from trauma. Matthias is widely recognized for his unique approach to making mental health knowledge and skills accessible to the wider public. His ability to translate complex topics into relatable everyday language has empowered millions to heal from their past, repair relationships, and take control of their mental well-being. Through platforms like Instagram, TikTok, Facebook and his top-ranking Spotify podcast, Matthias delivers psychoeducational content to a following of over 4 million people. His innovative blend of engaging content and relevant mental health advice has fostered a vibrant online community centered on healing, personal growth, and moving towards what’s meaningful despite hardship. Aside from his online presence, Matthias is an accomplished author and educator. He has self-published several short books and interactive mental health journals, offering a distinctive trauma-informed approach to topics like grief, motivation, burnout, and gratitude. In addition, he has built a diverse library of interactive general public workshops on themes such as anxiety, relational intimacy, and healing from trauma, further establishing his commitment to sharing knowledge and resources for both clinicians and the general public.

Resources for Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm, & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255)

Estrangement.com – Sign up here for The Healing Estrangement

MatthiasJBarker.com – Matthias’ website, with resources and other information

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Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election

Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025

Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice

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Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

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Farewell 2024 and welcome 2025…

As we close out another year, Ann and Sue take time to reflect on 2024 while sharing some exciting opportunities for the year ahead. The Vitality Series is an exciting new endeavor, where they emphasize creating safe spaces for dialogue, navigating tough emotions, and bringing therapeutic concepts into everyday life. With an honest look at shame, vulnerability, and the challenges of personal growth, they explore how connection can empower both individuals and communities. Along the way, they celebrate the milestones of their podcast, emphasize the importance of self-reflection, and highlight the role of supportive networks in fostering meaningful change.

“Year’s end is neither an end nor a beginning but a going on, with all the wisdom that experience can instill in us.” — Hal Borland

Time Stamps for 2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254)

00:00 Exciting announcements for 2025
08:00 Reflecting on the past year
32:00 Bridging therapy and everyday life
46:40 The power in mobilizing for change

Resources for 2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254)

Brewing Vitality Series, Ann & Sue’s NEW Course – Click here to learn more and reserve your spot!!

Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025

Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice

Sign up here!

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Thank you!!

Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!

 

Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network!

Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! 

Explore eco-village living, tantra, and death

Lee Warren shares her experience of living in an intentional community and how it opened the door to exploring tantra and the sacredness of death. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore tantra as a way to connect with the divine within ourselves and others, using tools like breath, sound, and movement to navigate the energy in our bodies. They also discuss death as a sacred process and the importance of preparing for it—both practically and spiritually. Learn how tantra and death preparation share a common goal: helping us embrace the impermanence of life and find joy in the present moment.

“The deep practice of tantra helps consciously engage with the inevitability of death.” – Lee Warren

Time Stamps

00:00 Exploring Eco-Village Living and Intentional Community
08:23 The Mysteries of Tantra: Cultivating pleasure and sensuality
16:36 Embracing the sacredness of death
21:10 Preparing for death: A journey of self-discovery
31:32 Having hard conversations with family
38:57 Exploring the mystical with psychedelics

About Our Guest – Lee Warren, Death & Tantra Educator

Lee Warren, founder of Reclaiming Wisdom, helps people embrace life more fully by preparing for death. She sees life and death as inseparable partners, guiding individuals to transform fear into acceptance and empowerment through heartfelt conversations, mindfulness practices, rituals, and personalized care plans. As a mystic, Lee views death as a sacred portal for the soul, and as an embodiment practitioner, she supports the emotional and practical realities of the dying process. Lee believes that contemplating mortality deepens our connection to life, fostering awe, wonder, and a profound sense of purpose. Lee’s mission is to help others achieve clarity and peace about end-of-life wishes while embracing the sacredness of existence and the mystery of the human journey.

Resources for Embracing the Sacredness of Death 

ReclaimingWisdom.com – Lee Warren’s website & course information

“Tilda Swinton Would Like a Word with Trump about His Mother” – NYTimes Article

“The Doctor Who Helped Me Understand My Mom’s Choice to Die” – NYTime Article

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!

Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!

 

Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election

Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025

Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice

Learn More & Register Here

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network!

Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! 

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Transform conflict into connection with ACT

Dr. Diana Hill and co-host Dr. Ann Kelley explore the power of process-based therapy to improve relationships and wellbeing. Through various methods like the 6 principles of ACT, the understanding of values, and the family body analogy, they use their personal and professional experience to discuss ways to help resolve conflict and find deeper connection through secure relating. Learn ways to tap into your most deeply connected self to move forward through life’s challenges and nurture healthy relationships.

“We don’t battle thoughts. We don’t challenge thoughts. We just let thoughts go, and we can act independently from our thoughts.” – Dr. Diana Hill

Time Stamps for ACT

1:06 – What is ACT?

8:52 – Introduction to cognitive diffusion

10:45 – Exploring the transcendent self and family body analogy of ACT

12:09 – The six processes of ACT

20:54 – Utilizing Diana’s daily journal book method

26:53 – Navigating experiential avoidance

33:57 – Moving through acceptance

50:52 – How to learn more about the ACT principles

About our Guest – Dr. Diana Hill

Diana Hill, PhD, is a clinical psychologist, and co-author of ACT Daily Commitment Therapy Journal: Get unstuck and live full with Acceptance. She is also a co-host of the popular podcast, Psychologists Off the Clock which has over 1 million downloads, where she has interviewed leaders in the field of psychology, mindfulness, and wellness including Dr. Daniel Goleman, Dr. Rich Hanson, The Psychology of Radical Healing Collective, Dr. Daniel Siegel, and Dr. David Sinclair. She is a regular teacher for the Mindful Hearts Program and Insight LA. Through her online teachings, executive coaching, clinical supervision, and private therapy practice Diana encourages clients to build psychological flexibility so that they can live more meaningful and fulfilling lives.

Resources for ACT

Dr. Diana Hill – Website & resources

ACT Daily Journal & Card Deck – Dr. Hill’s daily journal book

Psychologists Off the Clock – Dr. Diana Hill’s podcast

The Power of Regret by Daniel Pink – Referenced by Diana Hill when discussing values

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!

Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!

 

Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network!

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Let’s talk about all things AEDP

Sue Marriott and Diana Fosha explore the key principles of Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP) and its transformative impact on the field. AEDP begins with the premise of “healing from the get-go,” and fostering change from the first session. It emphasizes “undoing aloneness” by building a supportive therapeutic relationship, while encouraging clients to engage deeply with emotions. Join us as we highlight techniques like metatherapeutic processing, where clients reflect on their healing experience, and integrating neuroscience into clinical practice.

“The basic quality of emergent experience is a surrender to the experience of flow, of being in the zone.”

– Dr. Diana Fosha

Looking for extra community and connection post-election? Join us for our second free, live virtual holding circle on Friday, November 22nd at 3 PM CST – Click here to learn more 

Time Stamps for AEDP

02:55 The importance of healing from the get-go
06:06 Understanding “Undoing aloneness”
28:34 Dropping down into the body and connecting with emotions
33:28 Explanation and application of Metatherapeutic processing
35:28 Creating a safe and transformative relationship with clients
51:20 The societal impact of AEDP

About our Guest – Dr. Diana Fosha 

Diana Fosha PhD is the developer of AEDPTM, a healing-oriented, radically relational experiential psychotherapy to transform trauma, heal attachment wounds and help people connect to their vitality. She is Founder and Director of the AEDP Institute. Her “heightened sensitivity to the promises of life” recognized, she has been also described as having “an extraordinary gift for hope.” For the last 20 years, Diana has been active in promoting a scientific basis for a healing-oriented, attachment-emotion- and transformation-focused trauma treatment model. Fosha’s work focuses on integrating neuroplasticity, recognition science and developmental dyadic research into experiential and transformational clinical work with patients. Her most recent work, Undoing aloneness and the transformation of suffering into flourishing: AEDP 2.0, (APA, 2021), focuses on flourishing as a seamless part of the process of transforming emotional suffering.  She is the author of The transforming power of affect: A model for accelerated change (Basic Books, 2000); co-author, with Natasha Prenn, of Supervision essentials for Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (APA, 2016); 1st editor, with Daniel Siegel and Marion Solomon, of The healing power of emotion: Affective neuroscience, development & clinical practice (Norton, 2009), and editor of the soon to be released AEDP 2.0: Four DVDs of her live AEDP clinical work, including one documenting a complete 6-session treatment, and one on clinical supervision have been issued by the American Psychological Association (APA). Described by psychoanalyst James Grotstein as a “prizefighter of intimacy,” and by David Malan as “the Winnicott of [accelerated experiential] psychotherapy,” Diana Fosha’s writing style is powerful and precise, yet poetic and evocative. Her phrases —“undoing aloneness,” “existing in the heart and mind of the other,” “rigor without shame” and “True Other”  — capture the ethos of AEDP. 

Resources for AEDP

www.aedpinstitute.org  – View some of Dr. Fosha’s papers here 

Metatherapeutic Processing Supports the Emergence of Flourishing in Psychotherapy – by Dr. Diana Fosha

How to be a Transformational Therapist – by Dr. Diana Fosha

Speculations on Emergence: Working the Edge of Transformational Experience and Neuroplasticity – by Dr. Diana Fosha

Healing Attachment Trauma with Attachment (& then some!) – by Dr. Diana Fosha

Click here to learn more!!

 

 

 

 

 

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!

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Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election

Psychotherapy Networker Symposium – March 20-23, 2025

Rethinking Attachment – Using the Attachment Spectrum in Clinical Practice

Learn More & Register Here

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network!

Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! 

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Many are baffled by the so strong feelings around the 2024 election results – let us help you get it.

Families are dividing, couples are blowing up and neighbors are being cut off.  When you are close to someone who didn’t vote with you this year, you are likley in some distress. The shock and pain for some groups after the election and the corresponding lack of understanding is a recipe for dysregulation.

We explore the complexities of political identity, emotional responses, and the impact of political discourse on all of our personal relationships in the wake of a divisive presidential election. Ann and Sue, alongside Michael Hilgers, LPC, emphasize the need for deeper conversations that transcend binary thinking and the significance of co-regulation in healing and fostering unity amidst division. They explore the challenges of navigating relationships where political views differ, emphasizing the value of patience, compassion, and open curiosity to foster understanding.

The conversation touches on the risks of lasting family divides and underscores the importance of creating safe, respectful spaces for meaningful conversations. Ultimately, it encourages empathy and small, thoughtful steps toward more compassionate communication.

“We all play a role in this democracy. We need to remember the power of every vote. I continue, too, to keep myself connected to a force that’s larger and more potent than any one election, or leader, or news story—and that’s optimism. For me, this is a form of faith, an antidote to fear.” – Michelle Obama

Looking for extra community and connection post-election? Join us for our second free, live virtual holding circle on Friday, November 22nd at 3 PM CST – Click here to learn more 

Time Stamps for Aftermath of the Election

00:00 Navigating identity
02:52 The aftermath of the 2024 Presidential election based on gender
06:09 Understanding huge emotional responses for those who care
08:56 The difficulty of empathy and connection when stakes are high
15:01 Co-regulation
17:54 The role of historical trauma in reactions to current events
20:56 Is common ground possible?
25:32 Betrayal
27:09 Listening and holding space rather than fixing it
29:31 Patience in difficult conversations
30:35 Political divides in relationships
32:00 The risk of permanent divisions
39:18 Concrete steps for compassionate communication
42:08 Addressing name-calling and intentional humiliation

About our Guest – Michael Hilgers, LPC

Michael Hilgers, LPC is a licensed Professional Counselor who maintains an online Counseling Practice specializing in work with Creatives and Entrepreneurs. After almost 25 years in Austin, Tx, he moved to the mountains of Northern New Mexico where he works with clients from around the globe.

 

 

Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th –  IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here! 

 

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!

Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!

 

Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network!

Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! 

Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us! 

The election tension can be divisive – but we don’t have to be

The political events in the United States have been a major contributor to our anxieties these past years, and with our significant presidential election looming over us this week – Ann and Sue are here to talk about the hard things. While the world feels unpredictable on the outside, one thing we can do is focus on the intricate relationship between our nervous systems and the emotional responses triggered by political events. They discuss how fear and anxiety are often manipulated through political rhetoric, leading to division and polarization, the importance of understanding how personal relationships amidst these tensions are emphasized, and the need for secure relating and accountability from leaders. There is power in recognizing the complexity of political opinions and the necessity of maintaining open dialogue to foster connection rather than division. Join us as we explore how to navigate differences, the importance of empathy and community, and the need for resilience during uncertain times.

“We are resilient beings and we will get through this.”

Time Stamps for Secure Relating & the Election

00:00 Understanding the Nervous System’s Role in Fear
03:00 The Impact of Political Rhetoric on Our Emotions
05:56 Navigating Personal Relationships Amidst Political Divisions
09:06 The Complexity of Political Opinions
11:57 The Importance of Secure Relating in Divided Times
14:52 Holding Leaders Accountable in a Polarized Environment
25:49 The Importance of Secure Relating
30:02 Navigating Division and Conflict
36:32 Finding Resilience in Uncertain Times
41:20 Empathy and Community in Crisis
46:36 Promoting Secure Relating for a Better Future

Resources for Secure Relating & the Election

A Started Guide for Surviving Election Season” – Important reminders from Oh Happy Dani, the Everyday Advocate Vote.org – Nonpartisan tool for voting logistics and information “8 Questions that can help you survive election stress” – Helpful resource from UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Magazine Somatic Techniques for Stress & Anxiety – Somatic practices from Brooklyn Somatic Therapy

Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th –  IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here! 

 

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!

Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!

 

Events, Announcements & Resource Links for Secure Relating & the Election

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network!

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Our first ever LIVE podcast recording

Alongside Pam Benson Owens, Ann and Sue explore a variety of topics with a live audience at the KUYA Wellness center in Austin, TX. Referencing their book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World, they delve into the neuroscience behind relationships, discussing attachment styles and emotional regulation, and emphasize the importance of creating safe spaces for dialogue. They highlight the significance of understanding generational trauma and the complexities of navigating relationships in a diverse society. Through personal stories and insightful discussions, they shine a light on the power of self-awareness, encouraging listeners to explore their own emotional landscapes with compassion and curiosity. Learn how creating safe spaces for open dialogue can deepen connections, while understanding the role of pauses and curiosity in everyday conversations.

“The power of the pause is essential.” – Pam Benson Owens 

Time Stamps for KUYA

07:05 Understanding Neuroscience in Relationships
20:28 Navigating Emotional States and Attachment
30:00 Creating Safe Spaces in Conversations
34:51 Navigating Activation and Agency
39:41 The Role of Shame in Learning
44:14 The Power of the Pause and Curiosity
49:36 Strategic Communication in Relationships
54:43 Repression vs. Calibration of Emotions
01:00:17 Cultural Norms and DEI Conversations
01:03:05 Boundaries in Relationships
01:05:20 Generational Trauma and Cultural Clashes

About our Guest – Pam Benson Owens, President & CEO

Pamela Benson Owens is the President and CEO of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc and is also serving as the CEO of Six Square. For 25+ years Pam has owned Edge of Your Seat Consulting, a unique consulting firm that is dedicated to assisting for-profit, nonprofit, and faith-based entities. The major focus of Edge of Your Seat Consulting, Inc., is to provide methodologies that help manage perceptions and narratives about complex and challenging issues with courage and strategic passion. Pam leverages humor and honest storytelling to create memorable and applicable strategies for sustainable and substantive change. Pam serves on several non-profit boards, is the co-chair of the Black Fund a partnership with Austin Community Foundation, joyfully serves on the faculty of the Center for Nonprofit Excellence at Austin Community College, is often a guest lecturer at institutions of higher learning and thrives on the opportunities her consultancy work paves the way to assist organizations to be stronger by navigating the nuances of organizational culture.

Resources for KUYA

Click here to view Pam’s website – Edge of Your Seat Consulting

KUYA  – Mental Health & Wellness Center in Austin, TX & host of our recording

Practices – Register now for the Holistic Attachment Summit!! – This summit will explore the most essential ideas in attachment theory, research, and how they can be applied to create deep and lasting healing for clients — enabling you to be at the forefront of evidence-based care. Click here to register!!

 

Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th –  IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here! 

 

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!

Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!

 

Events, Announcements & Resource Links 

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Trauma Therapy Directory – Resources for Trauma, PTSD, and Complex PTSD – Created by our friends at the Trauma Therapy Network!

Check out our other past and upcoming events here!! 

Support this library of content at TU staying FREE and TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE by supporting our partners and the sponsors of today’s episode – 

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Thanks for listening, friends, & for being on this journey with us! 

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) in adults 

James Ochoa and co-host Sue Marriott explore the different subtypes of ADHD, and the impact on adults who are navigating a diagnosis later in life. As an ADHD expert, Ochoa shares insights on the emotional and mental stress that accompanies ADHD, as well as provides different techniques for managing symptoms. With an emphasis on the importance of self-care, communication, and personalized strategies, he provides resources and training for adults with ADHD, professionals who work with ADHD clients, and family members of individuals with ADHD.

“…It feels like their attachment to themselves has always seemed off, and when they receive an accurate diagnosis then suddenly there’s these lights that turn on…” – James Ochoa

Time Stamps for New Frontiers of Adult ADHD

02:05 Stumbling Upon an Adult ADHD Diagnosis
04:40 Understanding the Subtypes of ADHD
08:06 Resourcing and Self-Care for ADHD
10:04 Managing ADHD Symptoms: Breathing Exercises and Micro-Meditations
15:32 Interrupting Over-activation and Panic in ADHD
26:55 Managing ADHD: Strategies and Self-Care
31:17 Supporting Loved Ones with ADHD
35:37 Educating Professionals on ADHD
43:49 Resources and Training for ADHD

About our Guest – James Ochoa 

For over thirty years, James Ochoa, LPC, has combined counseling, coaching, mentoring, and intuition to help adults with ADHD overcome challenges, pursue passions, and live meaningful lives. Most of his clients seek help beyond ADHD organization and time-management strategies. As valuable as those skills can be, James’ key concepts involve working with his clients’ imagination, life history and inner resources. His insight-and-action-based counseling style has helped clients from all walks of life, including executives, indie film producers, college students, religious leaders and beyond. He welcomes individuals, couples, and family members, whether from Austin, Texas, or points beyond. James is also working on his second book, When the Shiny Wears Off, Navigating the Lifetime Storms of Adult ADHD, which focuses on how to handle the chronic stress of ADHD that never completely stops wreaking havoc. The book will offer ample strategies to help mitigate the impact this disruption has on relationships, career, self-care, and mental health.

Resources for New Frontiers of Adult ADHD

Living Well With ADHD – 10/19 live, in-person training in Austin, TX – This is a great resource for ADHD awareness month that is happening the entire month of October! (Use code TU30OFF for 30% off)

JamesOchoa.com – James’s Website

Focused Forward – James’s Book

ADHD Town Hall – Webinar Series

Storm Team – 12 -Topic ADHD series

Professional Trailblazing – Training for Professionals

Focused Forward – James Ochoa’s Book – Get your copy here!!

And of course, our book is also a great resource – it’s for professionals and life-long learners of all kinds. If you’ve read it we’d love to hear from you and if you support it, PLEASE leave a review on either Amazon or Goodreads. Tk you!!

Get your copy of Secure Relating here!!

 

Events, Announcements & Resource Links 

Integrative Attachment Therapy Course Information

Therapists: THIS is our recommended class for the most comprehensive training on attachment out there. It just so happens it is also Dennings recommended program as discussed in this. episode!   Use our link for a discount! 

Mind, Body, Social, & Spiritual Approaches for Healing Attachment: 30 World-Leading Pioneers Share Their Best Practices – Register now for the Holistic Attachment Summit!! – This summit will explore the most essential ideas in attachment theory, research, and how they can be applied to create deep and lasting healing for clients — enabling you to be at the forefront of evidence-based care. Click here to register!!

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Exploring the science behind the complex acronyms

Sue Marriott and Ann Kelley discuss Experiential Dynamic Therapies (EDTs) with experts Margaret Martin and Dr. Deb Pollack. These therapies focus on recognizing and challenging defenses that lead to problems both internally and relationally. Learn the difference between defenses that feel right (Egosyntonic) and those that don’t (Egodystonic) and why it’s important to work against them for change. This episode is a dive into the role of EDTS in individual therapy, and highlights the need for an integrated approach to address underlying trauma, plus much more!

“Turning against defenses is key to creating change.” – Dr. Deborah Pollack

Time Stamps for Challenging Defenses: An Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies (EDTS)

00:00 Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies
04:07 Understanding Defenses and Creating Change
08:19 Turning Against Defenses
13:49 Building Capacity and Accessing Core Feelings
20:05 Working with Resistance and Anxiety
23:49 Exploring Different Models within EDTs
29:22 Understanding and Working with Defenses
36:14 Building Capacity and Regulating Emotions
39:05 Challenging Defenses and Facilitating Character Change
45:04 Integrating Modalities for Comprehensive Healing
48:31 The Role of the Therapist in Addressing Defenses
54:49 Compassionate and Supportive Therapeutic Relationships

About our Guests – Dr. Deborah Pollack & Margaret Martin, LCSW

Dr. Deborah Pollack is an Associate Professor of Psychology at Utica University and a clinical
psychologist in private practice near Syracuse, New York. She also has faculty appointments at SUNY Upstate Medical University and Syracuse University, where she teaches and supervises doctoral students in psychology. Dr. Pollack is active on the board of the International Experiential Dynamic Therapy Association (IEDTA), serving as recording secretary and on several
standing committees. She is the President-elect of the Central New York Psychological Association. Dr. Pollack is a qualitative researcher and most recently has investigated the application of EDT-informed therapy for mothers with postpartum mood and anxiety disorders. She has been studying the EDTs since 2009 and is certified as a Teacher and Supervisor through the IEDTA. She is currently running a core training in ISTDP and she also offers individual supervision in ISTDP for licensed or license-eligible therapists. In her free time, Deb enjoys traveling, sewing, and hiking, especially in the Adirondack
mountains where she is working on hiking all 46 high peaks.

Margaret Martin, LCSW is an individual and couple therapist practicing in Austin, Texas,
where she specializes in complex trauma. She began training with Stan Tatkin,
developer of the PACT model, in 2012. She now coaches PACT level one and two students and provides training for the PACT Institute, and hosts a monthly online discussion group for PACT and PACT-curious therapists. In 2022 Margaret completed the PACT Institute’s inaugural invitation-only certification program and is one of 25 therapists worldwide to receive the designation of PACT-certified therapist. In 2019 she began training in ISTDP and developed a passion for incorporating aspects of ISTDP into her work with couples. With colleague Kathryn Barksdale, Margaret co-developed Trauma Wise Therapy, a framework for working with high-trauma couples. Margaret active on the board of the International Experiential Dynamic Therapy Association (IEDTA) and chairs the IEDTA Diversity Committee. A self-described training junkie, she also trained in Somatic Experiencing, Eye Movement
Desensitization Reprocessing, Emotional Transformation Therapy, Brainspotting, and Accelerated Resolution Therapy. She is slightly fanatic about trauma-informed care, deliberate practice for therapists, cats, and fiber arts of any kind.

Resources for this Episode – Challenging Defenses: An Introduction to Experiential Dynamic Therapies (EDTS)

Margaret Martin, LCSW – Margaret Martin’s website

Deborah Pollack, PhD – Dr. Deborah Pollack’s website

Check out the most anticipated conference for Experiential Dynamic Therapists!! San Diego, CA – November 13th-15th –  IEDTA’s 2024 conference highlights the power of the therapeutic alliance in psychotherapy. Register here! 

IEDTA Certified Training –  Info on training in Experiential Dynamic Therapies

Application to join the EDT List

Additional resources on ISTDP and Experiential Dynamic Therapies

Intensive Short Term Dynamic Psychotherapy by Patricia Coughlin – Recommended by Margaret Martin

Reaching Through Resistance by Allan Abbass – Recommended by Margaret Martin

Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy: A Reference by Nat Kuhn MD – Recommended by Margaret Martin

Treating Affect Phobia: A Manual for Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy by Leigh McCullough, et al – Recommended by Margaret Martin

Healing through Relating: A Skill-Building Book for Therapists by Jon Frederickson – Recommended by Margaret Martin

Changing Character: Short-term Anxiety-regulating Psychotherapy For Restructuring Defenses, Affects, And Attachment by Leigh Mccullough Vaillant – Recommended by Margaret Martin

Mastering Intensive Short-Term Dynamic Psychotherapy: A Roadmap to the Unconscious by Josette ten Have-de Labije and Robert J. Neborsky – Recommended by Margaret Martin

The Lies We Tell Ourselves by Jon Frederickson – Recommended by Margaret Martin

The Transforming Power Of Affect: A Model For Accelerated Change by Diana Fosha – Recommended by Margaret Martin

A Therapist’s Handbook to Dissolve Shame and Defense and Master the Moment by Susan Warren Warshow – Recommended by Margaret Martin

Hidden From View: A clinician’s guide to psychophysiologic disorders by Allan Abbass – Recommended by Margaret Martin

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Sue Marriott and Akilah Riley Richardson dive into a compelling discussion about the vital need to center marginalized voices in therapy. They explore how Western perspectives have shaped therapy practices globally, often overlooking diverse cultural approaches. Akilah brings a fresh, challenging perspective to the table. She pushes for a real shake-up in how we approach therapy, especially when working with marginalized couples. It's not just about tweaking existing methods – she's calling for a fundamental rethinking of our assumptions. The conversation tackles some heavy topics, from unpacking the concept of relational privilege to developing strategies that help couples see beyond their individual struggles to the bigger picture of systemic trauma. It's eye-opening stuff.  What really stands out is their focus on the deep impact of systemic trauma. They don't just acknowledge it – they dig into why it's so crucial for therapists to truly understand and address it in their work. Ultimately, this discussion isn't just academic. It's a call to action for therapists to step up, broaden their perspectives, and find new ways to help couples break free from systemic constraints. It's about empowering relationships and, in the process, maybe changing the face of therapy itself. Get it ad-free: www.therapistuncensored.com/join Go to shownotes www.therapistuncensored.com/tu245.