Leading Saints Podcast

Leading Saints

Helping Latter-day Saints Be Better Prepared to Lead

  • 56 minutes 12 seconds
    Reaching the Hearts of Women

    This podcast is a group discussion about the Heart of a Woman retreat, a 3-day intensive experience for women of faith. The retreat provides a space for women to connect with God, other women, and themselves. It includes presentations, time for reflection, and opportunities for prayer and worship. The panelists discuss their own experiences with the retreat and how it has impacted their lives. They also share insights on the importance of women’s leadership and the power of prayer.

    Melanie Meszaros is a wife, mother, grandmother, certified professional coach, business manager, and avid music lover. With a master’s in Education, Melanie has spent her adult life providing women and couples with opportunities to learn and develop skills to improve their lives, their relationships, and their families. As co-founder of Heart of a Woman, Melanie is passionate about helping women develop a profound connection with God, restore their feminine heart, and rediscover who God created them to be. In the Church she has enjoyed serving in music callings, as a teacher, as a counselor in each of the women’s organizations, and as a ward and stake Relief Society president.

    Kristy Willhite was baptized as a child and chose the gospel of Jesus Christ as an adult. She served for 17 years in the Primary organization in every calling except chorister. Kristy has served in Relief Society presidencies, as a Young Women president, and currently serves in her stake Young Women presidency. She loves reading, knitting, and holds a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University-Idaho in Advanced Family History Professional Studies. Kristy and her husband James have been married 26 years and have four great kids.

    Jolene Duckworth attended the October 2024 Heart of a Woman retreat and found herself forever changed by the experience. She is the mother of six and serves as the chair of the hospitality committee for BYU’s Women’s Conference, and in the Church as a Relief Society service coordinator and a temple worker. Jolene has a bachelor’s degree in Visual Arts from BYU and is the experience design director for Idylli, a leadership development company she runs with her husband, Dan Duckworth.

    Melanie Meszaros Kristy Willhite
    Jolene Duckworth

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    TheHeartofaWoman.net (Use the code LEADMAY25 for a Leading Saints discount)
    5 Easy Questions to Invite Anyone to Learn About the Gospel | An Interview with Murray Meszaros
    The Subtle Attack of Shame on Spirituality | An Interview with James Willhite
    Creating a Transformational Sunday School | An Interview with Dan Duckworth
    Warrior Heart Boot Camp
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    Highlights

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    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

    22 February 2025, 7:55 am
  • 41 minutes 40 seconds
    What Does a Church Leadership Training Meeting Look Like? | A How I Lead Interview with Matt Bardsley and Kimberly Perkins

    Matt Bardsley grew up in Montana, and after a mission to New Jersey moved to Utah to go to school and has been there ever since. He has a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in Sociology and a master’s degree from Utah State University in Education. He has been a seminary teacher for 19 years, 12 of those serving as a local faculty principal where he gets to train teachers. He is a former Young Men president, elders quorum president, ward mission leader, bishopric member, high councilor, and stake Young Men president, and currently serves as first counselor in his stake Young Men presidency.

    Kim Perkins is a coach with Accepted, passionate about guiding individuals on their journey to healing and fostering deep connections, and empowering them to unlock their true potential and lead fulfilling lives. Kim enjoys the great outdoors, hiking, volleyball, and embarking on exciting travel adventures with her husband and four children. She currently serves in her stake Young Women presidency.

    Matt Bardsley Kim Perkins

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    Accepted
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    Training Materials

    3 Targets – Activity Planning PDF
    3-Month Planning Meetings PDF
    Connect it to Christ PDF
    Counseling Together PDF
    Delegation PDF
    Making Announcements – Hype Squad PDF
    Pair and Share PDF
    Presidency Meetings – Teeter Totter PDF
    Sandbox PDF

    Highlights

    This dynamic discussion with Kim and Matt centers around the importance of mentorship and effective training for youth leaders. They share their experiences and insights on how to transform traditional youth leadership approaches into more impactful mentorship roles, and emphasize the significance of understanding one’s purpose, identifying youth life goals, and fostering transformational relationships rather than merely filling time during weekly activities.

    Kim and Matt explain their approach to training, which includes quarterly sessions for all youth leaders and more targeted workshops for specific wards. They focus on practical skills such as effective communication, delegation, and connecting youth activities to the teachings of Jesus Christ. By observing and providing feedback in real time, they help leaders recognize their strengths and areas for improvement.

    05:31 – Kim’s Experience in Youth Leadership
    06:26 – Matt’s Background in Teaching Youth
    07:37 – Observations on Youth Programs
    08:35 – The Importance of Training in Leadership
    09:56 – Origin of Formal Training Approaches
    11:04 – Developing Effective Training Skills
    12:09 – Interactive and Experiential Training Methods
    13:48 – Training Audience and Frequency
    15:03 – Observing and Supporting Ward Leaders
    16:04 – Building Relationships with Leaders
    17:05 – Feedback and Reflection After Observations
    20:07 – Common Issues in Youth Leadership
    22:53 – The Importance of Delegation Skills
    24:55 – Coaching Others in Leadership Skills
    27:27 – Connecting Activities to the Savior
    29:25 – Practicing Skills in Training Sessions
    32:02 – Engaging Youth in Leadership Training
    35:10 – Summary of Effective Training Practices

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

    19 February 2025, 10:31 pm
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    What I Learned from Traveling with an Apostle | An Interview with Parker Walbeck

    Parker Walbeck shares his journey as a millennial content creator who aims to engage both younger and older audiences with gospel messages through short, impactful videos. He emphasizes the significance of sharing simple, foundational doctrines and the power of personal testimony, noting that even small acts of sharing can have a profound impact on friends and family.

    Parker is a filmmaker, social media expert, and creator of the “True Millennial” YouTube channel, where he shares his insights on using social media to share the gospel. He has worked with the Church to help improve their online presence, and speaks frequently at local church events, where he teaches others how to use these tools effectively.

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    YouTube: @TrueMillennial
    Instagram: @true.millennials
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    Highlights

    Parker recounts his experience working with Elder Neil L. Andersen of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles during a trip to the Philippines, where he documented the apostle’s ministry and interactions with local members. He describes Elder Anderson’s genuine care for individuals, his commitment to knowing names, and his reliance on the teachings of the living prophet. The episode also touches on the importance of humility and the simplicity of the gospel, as Parker reflects on how the apostles focus on basic doctrines rather than complex theological concepts. Additionally, Kurt and Parker discuss the potential for local church members to create content that shares their faith stories, suggesting that even small-scale initiatives, like ward podcasts, can foster community and strengthen testimonies. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to utilize their unique talents in service of the church, reinforcing the idea that everyone has a role to play in sharing the gospel.

    04:07 – Overview of True Millennial Podcast
    06:01 – Parker’s Journey into Content Creation
    10:02 – The Concept of True Millennials
    11:41 – Sharing the Gospel on Social Media
    17:10 – The Importance of Influence in Small Audiences
    19:02 – Parker’s Experience with Elder Anderson
    25:26 – Insights from Traveling with an Apostle
    29:18 – The Simplicity of Gospel Teachings
    36:00 – Interviewing Elder Bednar
    38:11 – Local Church Content Creation Ideas
    41:00 – Engaging Stake Communication Strategies

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

    15 February 2025, 8:00 am
  • 41 minutes 52 seconds
    Getting the Youth to Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Tanner Pursley

    Tanner Pursley was born and raised in Thatcher, Arizona. He served his mission in Recife, Brasil, and graduated from BYU-Idaho where he married his sweetheart Nicole. He got his Masters Degree in School Counseling from Northern Arizona University. Tanner has over six years of EFY experience and another five working as a wrangler for troubled teenagers at Arivaca Boys Ranch. He currently is serving as the bishop in his ward in Morenci, Arizona, where he developed a youth program called “I Can Do Hard Things” to help drive kids off the couch and into living life and preparing for the temple/mission. Tanner’s passions include rock climbing, scuba diving, playing Jenga with kids, losing to his bros in fantasy football, and cuddling his little daughter Cedar.

    Tanner Pursley

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    I Can Do Hard Things Challenge (Packet)
    I Can Do Hard Things Challenge (Printable Booklet)
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    Highlights

    Tanner shares insights from his recent initiative called the “I Can Do Hard Things Challenge.” This program, developed while he served as a counselor in the bishopric, aims to provide youth with structured goals across the four quadrants in the Children and Youth program: spiritual, social, intellectual, and physical. Tanner explains how he drew inspiration from scouting and other youth programs to create a comprehensive list of activities that encourage youth to step outside their comfort zones and engage in meaningful experiences.

    Throughout the conversation, Tanner discusses the importance of parental buy-in and how the challenge has positively impacted the culture of his small ward, which previously struggled with youth engagement and missionary work. He highlights the success of the program, noting that it has led to increased participation among the youth and has even inspired similar initiatives in other organizations within the ward. The episode emphasizes the significance of celebrating achievements, as Tanner describes the award ceremony where participants receive recognition for their hard work, fostering a sense of community and accomplishment. Leadership is about empowering others to reach their potential, and Tanner’s approach serves as a practical example for other leaders looking to inspire and uplift the youth in their wards.

    05:48 – Tanner’s Background and New Calling
    06:59 – The “I Can Do Hard Things” Challenge
    09:47 – Overview of the Youth Program and Goals
    10:44 – Changing the Culture in the Ward
    12:01 – Structure of the Challenge
    20:49 – Breakdown of the Challenge Areas
    25:07 – Physical Challenge Activities
    27:51 – Social Challenge Activities
    29:38 – Spiritual Challenge Activities
    30:49 – Intellectual Challenge Activities
    32:04 – Importance of Accountability
    33:01 – Reward Ceremony and Recognition
    34:27 – Encouraging Participation and Buy-In

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

    13 February 2025, 5:52 am
  • 54 minutes 54 seconds
    Addicts Have a Savior and It Isn’t You | An Interview with Emily and Danny Deaton

    Danny and Emily Deaton are the founders of Living Proof Recovery Services, a company dedicated to supporting individuals and families who are navigating addiction with a loved one. They carry degrees from rival schools, the University of Utah and Brigham Young University but found common ground in their love for Jesus and the Utah Jazz. They have built a life they love together in Alpine, Utah. They love being parents to three awesome children and have served as Stake Young Single Adult leaders and Emily as a Relief Society president. Danny and Emily host the “Your Living Proof Podcast” and love speaking and sharing their message of faith in action, hope, and their love for Jesus Christ.

    Danny and Emily Deaton

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    YourLivingProof.com
    Your Living Proof Podcast and YouTube
    Free masterclass
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    Highlights

    Emily and Danny talk about the growing issues of addiction, highlighting the importance of being prepared to address these challenges and the need for resources and education. Danny recounts his experience with opioid addiction, detailing how it progressed from a seemingly manageable issue to a life-altering crisis that culminated in a near-fatal incident. He reflects on the pivotal moment when his father intervened, demonstrating the power of love and family support in the recovery process.

    Emily adds her perspective, emphasizing the time required for true healing and the transformative power of the Atonement in their lives. The couple discusses the importance of understanding addiction as a family disease, where the entire family unit must engage in the recovery process. They stress that addiction often manifests as a secretive struggle, and families typically wait too long—averaging seven years—before seeking professional help. The Deatons advocate for the role of interventionists and the necessity of establishing boundaries to support loved ones in their recovery journey. They also highlight the importance of church leaders in recognizing the signs of addiction and guiding families toward appropriate resources, such as support groups and professional help.

    Danny and Emily challenge the misconception that individuals must want to recover on their own before intervention can occur, arguing instead that families must take proactive steps to facilitate recovery. They discuss the need for families to learn about addiction, set boundaries, and seek help themselves, creating a supportive environment for their loved ones. Church leaders and families can utilize available resources and to understand that addiction is a complex issue that requires a collective effort for healing and recovery.

    02:00 – Danny and Emily Deaton’s Background
    03:00 – Danny’s Journey Through Addiction
    06:00 – The Low Point of Addiction
    08:00 – The Role of Family in Recovery
    09:00 – The Power of the Atonement
    10:00 – Transitioning to Recovery Services
    12:00 – Understanding the Role of an Interventionist
    13:00 – The Impact of COVID on Recovery Services
    14:00 – Developing a Comprehensive Recovery Program
    16:00 – The Importance of Family Support
    18:00 – Recognizing the Signs of Addiction
    19:00 – The Illusion of Control in Addiction
    20:00 – The Need for Professional Help
    22:00 – The Role of Agency in Addiction
    24:00 – The Importance of Boundaries
    26:00 – The Challenge of Helping Loved Ones
    28:00 – The Statistics of Addiction
    29:00 – The Underlying Issues of Addiction
    30:00 – The Role of Church Leaders in Recovery
    32:00 – The Disconnect Between Spiritual Guidance and Addiction
    34:00 – The Need for Professional Intervention
    36:00 – The Importance of Family Healing
    37:00 – God’s Example of Boundaries
    39:00 – The Role of Church Leaders in Addiction Recovery
    41:00 – The Importance of Family Support Systems
    42:00 – Resources Available for Families in Need

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

    8 February 2025, 7:33 am
  • “God Did Not Call You So He Can Deplete You” | A How I Lead Interview with Jodi Atkinson

    Jodi Atkinson was born and raised in Utah, and has lived all over the state. She went to college at Utah Tech University in St. George, Utah, and graduated with an Associates Degree in Science. That was where she met and married her husband, Brian. She then took on her next greatest educational experience as the mother of five children. The family left Utah in 2011 and has since lived in Texas, Illinois, and in the Kansas City, Missouri area for the past seven years. Another adventure awaits, and they will be moving back to St. George this summer. Jodi is excited to go back to college and pursue a degree in Art. She has had many service opportunities within the Church that have enriched her life: Young Women president and advisor, youth Sunday School teacher, Young Women camp director, Primary counselor, Seminary teacher, and stake Young Women president. Jodi currently serves as an enthusiastic Primary teacher.

    Jodi Atkinson

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    Highlights

    Jodi emphasizes that youth should not be viewed as problems to be solved but as solutions, advocating for a collaborative approach where youth are actively involved in decision-making through councils. She reflects on her experience, highlighting the need for innovative thinking and adaptability in youth programs and stressing that relationships matter significantly in fostering a supportive environment.

    Jodi shares specific examples of how she engaged with youth, such as incorporating their ideas into activities like Young Womens camp and a trek, ensuring they felt heard and valued. Jodi also discusses the importance of ministering and being present in the lives of youth and leaders, which helped build trust and community within the stake, and shares the powerful principle that the Lord does not ask us to serve to deplete us or prove ourselves but to grow and strengthen our connections with Him and others.

    05:04 – Jodi’s Experience as Stake Young Womens President
    05:45 – Unique Demographics of the Shawnee Stake
    06:51 – Starting the Calling During COVID
    10:40 – Embracing a Clean Slate Mentality
    12:27 – The Importance of Youth Councils
    16:16 – Letting Youth Lead in Activities
    19:43 – Specific Examples of Youth Engagement
    22:10 – Trek Experience and Youth Involvement
    26:06 – Building Relationships with Youth Leaders
    30:01 – Habits for Fostering Relationships
    34:52 – The Lord’s Purpose in Service
    35:10 – Object Lesson on Leadership and Service

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

    6 February 2025, 3:32 am
  • 52 minutes 47 seconds
    A Valid Path for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints | An Interview with Skyler Sorensen

    Skyler Sorensen grew up in St. George, Utah as the fourth of eight children. He is an active Latter-day Saint who experiences same-sex attraction. He and his wife, Amanda, were married in the Provo, Utah temple in 2018. He graduated from Brigham Young University with a bachelor’s in Media Arts and currently works with the team at Scripture Central. Skyler started the podcast “Sit Down with Sky”, which has recently morphed into a YouTube series. The series is dedicated to finding and maintaining eternal truths in the conversation around LGBTQ issues. Skyler is also the author of Exclude Not Thyself: Thriving as a Covenant-Keeping, Gay Latter-day Saint, aimed at providing a faith-affirming approach to LGBTQ issues.

    Skyler and Amanda have three children. Their first son, Milo, was born at 24½ weeks, and after a few weeks of battling for his life in newborn intensive care, he passed away in Amanda’s arms. They have two living daughters, Remi and Lainey, both under the age of three. Skyler’s current church calling is Gospel Doctrine teacher.

    Skyler Sorensen

    Links

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    Exclude Not Thyself: Thriving as a Covenant-Keeping Gay Latter-Day Saint
    Sit Down with Sky
    Connect with Skyler
    Scripture Central
    North Star
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    Highlights

    Skyler shares his personal journey as a gay Latter-day Saint, detailing his experiences with same-sex attraction, his decision to marry a woman in the temple, and the fulfillment he finds in his family life. Skyler shares his perspective on the labels of identity, expressing a desire to prioritize his core identity as a disciple of Jesus Christ over societal labels.

    Kurt and Skyler talk about the tension church leaders face when discussing doctrines related to the eternal family, emphasizing the need for compassion while upholding the ideal of eternal marriage. Skyler highlights the importance of understanding doctrine in a way that fosters genuine relationships, even amidst disagreements about lifestyle choices. The discussion also touches on the significance of therapy and the value of seeking resources that align with one’s faith. Both Kurt and Skyler stress the importance of maintaining hope and connection, advocating for a balanced approach that recognizes the complexities of faith and identity.

    02:40 – Skyler’s Journey with Same-Sex Attraction
    06:00 – Navigating Identity and Labels
    08:04 – The Importance of Open Communication in Relationships
    09:53 – Early Experiences with Church Leaders
    11:09 – Balancing Temptation and Faith
    12:16 – The Role of Church Leaders in Discussing Marriage
    16:14 – The Ideal of Eternal Marriage
    17:26 – Addressing Criticism of Mixed Orientation Marriages
    18:12 – The Importance of Seeking Validation from God
    19:02 – The Desire to Share a Valid Path for LGBTQ Latter-day Saints
    20:16 – The Tension Between Faith and Family
    22:10 – Maintaining Relationships Amidst Differences
    24:00 – Resources for Families and Individuals
    29:19 – The Role of Therapy in Navigating Same-Sex Attraction
    31:01 – Understanding Doctrine and Its Application
    33:03 – Promoting the North Star Conference
    36:06 – Validating the Path of Covenant-Keeping
    39:21 – The Importance of Teaching Eternal Truths
    40:56 – Finding Strength in the Temple
    44:34 – Accessing Strength Through Eternal Perspective

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

    Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.

    1 February 2025, 6:14 pm
  • 1 hour 19 minutes
    Unhealthy Ways We Seek Validation As Leaders | An Interview with Tony Overbay

    This is a rebroadcast. The episode originally ran in February 2020.

    Tony Overbay is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, a Certified Mindful Habit Coach, and the host of two award-winning mental health podcasts, “The Virtual Couch” and “Waking Up to Narcissism.” Tony also co-hosts “Love, ADHD” with author Julie Lee, where they share their experiences of receiving ADHD diagnosis as adults, and Tony co-hosts two additional podcasts, “The Mind, The Mirror, and Me,” with his daughter Mackie, and “Murder on the Couch,” a true-crime meets therapy podcast with his daughter Sydney. Tony, Mackie, and Sydney offer live relationship advice weekly on TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram. He also serves on the Leading Saints Board of Therapists.

    Tony co-authored He’s A Porn Addict, Now What? An Expert and a Former Addict Answer Your Questions and works with individuals and couples on issues such as addiction, betrayal, navigating faith journeys, and people “waking up” to their own emotional immaturity/narcissistic traits and tendencies. He has online courses for couples communication and parenting, a soon-to-be-released course on navigating faith journeys, and is the creator of The Path Back, an online, faith-based pornography recovery program. You can find out more about any of Tony’s courses at https://tonyoverbay.com

    Tony is a father of four children and has been married to his high school sweetheart, Wendy, for 34 years. Before becoming a therapist, he spent a decade as a software executive and wrote a weekly humor column in a regional newspaper for nearly eight years. Tony is an avid runner, having completed over 100 marathons and ultramarathons, including a dozen races of 100 miles or more.

    Tony Overbay

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    TonyOverbay.com
    He’s a Porn Addict…Now What?: An Expert and a Former Addict Answer Your Questions
    Clarifying Values PDF, from The Confidence Gap by Russ Harris
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    Highlights

    This episode delves into the concept of codependency within the context of Latter-day Saint culture, where it often manifests as the “nice guy syndrome.” Kurt shares his personal experiences as a bishop, highlighting how his own struggles with codependency and the pressure to maintain a perfect image affected his leadership. Tony defines codependency as an excessive emotional reliance on others for self-worth, often leading individuals to prioritize others’ needs over their own. The conversation emphasizes the importance of acceptance and commitment therapy (ACT), which encourages individuals to accept their feelings and thoughts rather than avoid them. By focusing on personal values rather than identity, leaders can navigate their roles more effectively without succumbing to shame or self-doubt. The episode also touches on the significance of being present and acting according to one’s values, rather than getting caught up in the pressures of perfectionism.

    04:01 – Understanding Codependency
    05:04 – The Nice Guy Syndrome
    05:50 – Personal Struggles with Codependency
    06:39 – Tony Overbay’s Background
    09:25 – Defining Codependency
    10:52 – Codependency in Religious Contexts
    11:42 – The Impact of Codependency on Self-Worth
    13:00 – The Role of the Partner in Addiction Recovery
    14:14 – The Importance of Individual Recovery
    15:04 – The Connection Between Trauma and Codependency
    16:22 – Addressing Codependency in Leadership
    19:10 – Acceptance and Commitment Therapy Overview
    20:49 – The Importance of Acceptance
    22:40 – The Confidence Gap
    24:18 – Values vs. Identity in Leadership
    26:58 – The Role of External Validation
    28:44 – The Bishop Monson Dynamic
    31:06 – Systems vs. Goals in Personal Development
    33:20 – Embracing Values in Leadership

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill and many more in over 800 episodes.

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    29 January 2025, 8:00 am
  • 40 minutes 35 seconds
    Overcoming Negative Church Culture | An Interview with Steven Hitz

    Steve Hitz is a co-founder of Launching Leaders Worldwide, a faith-based nonprofit leadership program which helps young adults examine their lives, determine where they are now, where they want to be, and how to create their future while embracing their faith. He has founded companies, served as a young single adult bishop, and considers himself a Baby Boomer with a Millennial heart. Steve and his wife Ginger are blessed with three sons, two daughters, and eleven beloved grandchildren.

    Steve Hitz

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    Igniting the Holy Flame: Building Communities of Love from the Ashes of Negative Religious Culture
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    Launching a Rising Generation of Leaders | An Interview with Steven Hitz and Michael Leonard
    Coming Alongside Youth & Young Adults | An Interview with Steve Hitz
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    Highlights

    Steve shares his personal journey following the loss of his son to suicide, which prompted him to explore the intersection of faith, community, and mental health. He discusses concerning statistics regarding church attendance and the challenges faced by young adults in maintaining their faith, particularly within the context of negative religious cultures that often emphasize rules and conformity over love and understanding.

    Steve introduces the concepts of “fabricated fellowship” and “harmful religiosity,” explaining how these elements contribute to feelings of shame and disconnection among church members. He advocates for a shift towards authentic fellowship, where relationships are built on genuine care rather than obligation. The conversation delves into the idea of orthodoxy, contrasting “tight-fisted orthodoxy” with “open-hand orthodoxy,” and emphasizes the need for leaders to be flexible and responsive to the spiritual needs of their congregations.

    Throughout the episode, Steve shares anecdotes and insights that illustrate the importance of love, mercy, and grace in religious practice. He encourages listeners to embrace a more holistic approach to worship that prioritizes personal connection and understanding over rigid adherence to rules. The episode concludes with Steve reflecting on the positive feedback he has received from readers of his book, who have found solace and inspiration in its message.

    01:41 – Introduction to Igniting the Holy Flame by Steve Hitz
    02:32 – The Impact of Personal Tragedy on Faith
    06:04 – Statistics on Religious Attendance and Faith
    09:24 – The Role of Questions in Faith
    10:13 – Defining Religious Culture
    12:27 – The Importance of Authentic Fellowship
    13:36 – The Balance of Doctrine and Culture
    15:41 – Understanding Orthodoxy: Open vs. Closed Fist
    20:22 – The Role of the Holy Spirit in Leadership
    23:06 – The Need for Authentic Relationships
    25:06 – The Concept of Fabricated Fellowship
    27:52 – Solutions for Authentic Fellowship
    30:30 – The Importance of Living the Gospel
    32:27 – Celebrating Individual Experiences in Faith
    34:57 – Keeping the Fire of Faith Alive
    36:41 – Feedback and Impact of the Book

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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    26 January 2025, 2:30 pm
  • 1 hour 10 minutes
    How the Temple Motivates Latter-day Saints | A How I Lead Interview with Brent Holladay

    Brent Holladay was recently released as temple president of the Orlando Florida Temple. He received bachelor’s and master’s degrees from Brigham Young University, and spent the last 26 years of his career working as Chief Information Officer and Chief Deputy Clerk for elected Clerks of Court in Florida.

    Brent is married to Dana Vorwaller Holladay, who served alongside him as matron of the Orlando Florida Temple and as co-manager of the Orlando Bishops’ Storehouse. He has previously served a stake patriarch, stake president, counselor in the Florida Orlando Mission Presidency, bishop, high councilor, stake clerk and other callings. Brent and Dana currently teach the Valiant 10 Primary class, fondly known as the Primary Temple Preparation class, and he also serves as a ward assistant clerk—finance. They have lived in Longwood, Florida for 43 years and have eight children and 27 grandchildren.

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    Highlights

    Brent shares his unique experience of being called as a temple president, detailing the process of selection and the responsibilities that come with the role. He discusses the refurbishment of the Orlando Temple and the management of temple workers, emphasizing the importance of creating a positive patron experience while maintaining the necessary administrative functions. Throughout the conversation, Brent recounts several poignant stories that illustrate the transformative power of the temple in the lives of individuals and families.

    The discussion delves into key leadership principles, starting with the importance of loving others as the Savior does and seeking the gift of charity. Brent shares personal experiences that highlight the need for leaders to see individuals as God sees them, fostering an environment of love and support. He also emphasizes the significance of using barometers, such as the percentage of endowed members with current temple recommends, to gauge the spiritual health of congregations and encourage temple attendance.

    Brent stresses the need for individuals to be grounded in the temple experience and the covenant path before and after their missions. He concludes with three essential questions that leaders should consider when planning activities, ensuring that they focus on bringing individuals closer to Jesus Christ, preparing them to make and keep covenants, and equipping them for future challenges. This episode is rich with insights and stories that will inspire you to deepen your understanding of temple service as you lead in the Church.

    06:31 – Refurbishment of the Orlando Temple
    07:14 – Calling as a Temple President
    08:57 – Choosing Counselors for the Temple Presidency
    10:05 – Setting Apart as Temple President
    11:00 – Training for New Temple Presidents
    12:05 – Setting Apart Process for Temple Presidents
    12:21 – Familiarity with Counselors
    13:40 – Responsibilities of a Temple President
    14:40 – Ensuring Positive Patron Experiences
    16:05 – Role of the Temple Recorder
    17:29 – Number of Temple Workers
    18:26 – Balancing Administration and Patron Experience
    20:34 – Focus on Patron Experience
    21:05 – Principle: Loving as the Savior Loves
    27:58 – Principle: Barometers in Leadership
    30:34 – Importance of Temple Attendance
    32:29 – Temple President’s Role in State Conferences
    37:06 – Transformational Nature of the Temple
    38:34 – Principle: Mission vs. Saving Ordinances
    44:37 – Questions for Church Activities

    The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

    Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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    22 January 2025, 8:11 am
  • The Subtle Attack of Shame on Spirituality | An Interview with James Willhite
    James Willhite is an experiential therapist, coach, and consultant. He previously worked for 20 years in finance and sales management where he found a passion for speaking and coaching, then decided to switch careers and earned a Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Lamar University. With Steven Shields he co-founded Accepted, a collection of exclusively trained experiential guide who lead individuals, families, groups, and corporations to maximize their health and connection. James also serves on the board of three non-profit organizations (Unashamed Unafraid, A Warrior Heart, and Heart of a Woman) and firmly believes that as we work to remove the obstacles and barriers of trauma, our true and divine identity will be uncovered at our core. He loves spending time with his wife, Kristy and with his four children. Links AcceptedLife.com Share your thoughts in the Leading Saints community Read the transcript of this podcast Get 14-day access to the Core Leader Library Highlights James talks about the complexities of shame, particularly in the context of spirituality and personal growth. Wilhite addresses issues like anxiety, depression, addiction, and trauma in his practice. He highlights the subtle yet pervasive nature of shame, often overlooked in therapeutic settings, and how it can lead individuals to hide from God and themselves. The discussion delves into the biblical story of Adam and Eve, exploring how shame was introduced into the human experience and how it continues to affect individuals today. Wilhite explains that shame is a primary weapon used by the adversary to create distance between individuals and God, leading to feelings of inadequacy and the need to seek validation from others rather than from the divine. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing and naming shame to break free from its grip, encouraging listeners to understand their true identity as children of God. Throughout the episode, Wilhite offers practical advice for church leaders and individuals alike, urging them to embrace the inevitability of pain, work, and uncertainty in life as opportunities for growth rather than as punishments. He underscores the significance of leaning into God’s goodness and trusting in His promises, even amidst struggles. The conversation culminates in a powerful reminder that healing is possible through understanding one's identity and the nature of God, ultimately inviting listeners to embark on their own "shame adventure" to foster healing and connection. 03:30 - Understanding Shame in Therapy 04:50 - Common Issues in Therapy Post-COVID 06:30 - The Role of Trauma in Therapy 08:00 - Experiential Therapy vs. Talk Therapy 09:30 - Importance of Finding the Right Therapist 10:50 - The Adam and Eve Story and Shame 12:30 - The Subtlety of Shame 14:00 - Hiding from God and Its Consequences 16:30 - The Cycle of Perfectionism and Shame 18:00 - Recognizing Shame in Leadership 19:30 - God's Nature and Our Identity 21:00 - The Importance of Self-Compassion 22:30 - The Journey of Healing from Shame 24:00 - God's Response to Adam and Eve 26:00 - Misinterpretation of God's Blessings 28:00 - Embracing Pain and Work as Inevitable 30:00 - Trusting God Amidst Uncertainty 32:00 - The Role of Pain in Growth 34:00 - Feeling to Heal: The Process of Therapy 36:00 - Allowing Ourselves to Feel Emotions 38:00 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts on Healing The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints' mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org. Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R.
    19 January 2025, 12:09 am
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