What happens when the chaos of touring musicianship meets the grit of ultra-running? In this inspiring episode, we welcome ultra runners, musicians, and friends Kyle Whalum, Brad Sample, and Caleb Gilbreath to share their unique journey through the Pinhoti 100 ultramarathon and beyond. The conversation explores the parallels between music and running, highlighting the importance of self-discovery, inner rhythm, and passion over competition. From battling imposter syndrome to embracing spontaneity, the guests reflect on personal growth, the beauty of simplicity, and finding harmony in life’s challenges. Their documentary Rhythm in the Darkness captures the profound connections between endurance, creativity, and community.

Be SURE to listen past the end credits for one of the songs from the documentary. Click here for the Official Rhythm In The Darkness Soundtrack EP their band, DFL: https://music.apple.com/us/album/rhyt... https://open.spotify.com/album/4YHJe4... Here are links to Brad Sample's solo work

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Should we consider slowing down to Zone 1 for most of our training?  Returning guest and Brad Kearns, co-author of Born to Walk: The Broken Promises of the Running Boom, and How to Slow Down and Get Healthy--One Step at a Time, and long-time advocate for rethinking training principles.

Building on our previous conversation with Mark Sisson, Brad explores the misunderstood world of aerobic conditioning. We discuss what elite athletes like Eliud Kipchoge are getting right—and what most recreational runners are missing—by focusing on slow, low-intensity efforts. Brad challenges the hype around Zone 2 training and shares insights on polarized training, resilience, and the surprising value of walking.  Brad highlights the importance of building an aerobic base, using zone one training to prevent injuries, and balancing high-intensity workouts with sustainable practices. He also discusses how outdoor adventure sports can foster a deeper connection to nature and improve overall health. With insights into training philosophy and the value of recovery, this episode offers actionable advice for runners of all levels.

Learn more about Brad at BradKearns.com

Check out the B.Rad podcast too

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How does the foot arch function in running? How does the big toe play a crucial role in foot health and running efficiency?

Dr. Matthew Silver returns to The Nation to answer these questions and help us understand practical ways to activate and strengthen our arches, shedding light on how different shoe types—especially the trend of high-stacked shoes—impact our feet over time. This episode will help you make smarter choices for long-term running performance .

Dr. Matthew Silver, physical therapist and author of Built to Run: The Runner’s Guide to Fixing Common Injuries, Resolving Pain, and Optimizing Running Performance Now and For Life

Check out Dr. SIlver's website to sign up for his newsletter and for more information or consultation: Alpha Project Phyzio and Performance

Here is the link to Barefoot Science orthotics that Matt talked about

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Returning guest and renowned physical therapist Jay Dicharry returns to unravel the truths and myths around stretching, mobility, and shoe selection for runners. Jay sheds light on the debate between static and dynamic stretching, highlighting how dynamic stretching can better prepare runners for performance and injury prevention. He distinguishes between flexibility (passive) and mobility (active control), emphasizing that mobility training, joint stability, and motor control are crucial for long-term success in distance running. The conversation also explores footwear’s role, with insights into the benefits and risks of minimal and super shoes and how each type can impact running biomechanics. Jay encourages runners to focus on strength and mobility exercises to support muscle mass, bone density, and efficient movement. Runners will leave with actionable tips to improve their range of motion, prevent injury, and make informed choices about stretching and footwear for their unique needs.

• Check out this video Jay produced on the MASTERCLASS on Super Shoes For Runners
• By his 2nd edition of his amazing book, Running Rewired: Reinvent Your Run for Stability, Strength, and Speed, 2nd Edition
• Find out more about Jay and his services at An Athlete's Body
• Get 10% off a Mobo Board HERE

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For our 700th episode, we convinced our good friend Andy Jones-Wilkins to take some time off from recording his podcast, Crack A Brew with AJW, and his coaching to join us for a new episode type that we call "Trick or Treat." Each participant shares a story, and the others must guess if it’s a Trick (lie) or a Treat (truth). We had a blast making it—hope you enjoy it!

Hire AJW as a coach! and read his weekly article in the AJW's Taproom

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“True will is quiet humility, resilience, and flexibility; the other kind of will is weakness disguised by bluster and ambition.” - Ryan Holiday

This is the final episode of a 3-part series, where we review  Ryan Holiday's powerful book, The Obstacle is the Way: The Ancient Art of Turning Adversity to Advantage. Holiday, an expert on Stoicism, outlines three essential steps to overcoming challenges—Perception, Action, and Will. In this episode, we focus on Will, essential for overcoming adversity.  

If perception and action are the disciplines of the mind and the body, then WILL is the discipline of the heart and the soul.: WILL is the inner fortitude, acceptance of fate, and the relentless pursuit of enduring challenges with grace. Will is the one thing that we control completely, always.

We are joined again by Coach Adam Kimble. In this section Holiday emphasizes the importance of inner strength and resilience in overcoming adversity.  This section is about how we respond when we’ve done all we can through perspective and action, yet still face hardships beyond our control. Holiday focuses on the development of willpower, endurance, and the ability to accept and withstand external challenges with grace.

Part 1: EP 693: Perception: Turning Obstacles into Opportunities

Part 2: EP 696: The Power of Action

Learn more about Coach Adam Kimble HERE

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In this episode, we explore the relationship between nutrition and running with registered dietitian Jason Levee. We cover meal prep strategies, the importance of fiber for overall health, and how hydration impacts performance. Jason emphasizes balancing family health with healthy eating habits, providing practical tips on fueling before and after workouts. The discussion also highlights the value of a healthy relationship with food and making nutritious choices even when life gets busy. Listeners will learn how nutrition can enhance physical and mental performance for runners and their families.

Check out Whole Family Health, where Jason specializes in helping busy families and athletes find practical ways to prioritize nutrition.

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Why are there so many fast finish times this year?  How can you get faster?

In this episode, we explore the recent trend of record-breaking performances in ultra running, examining the key factors driving these improvements. We talk about the impact of advancements in equipment, nutrition, and coaching on performance, as well as the importance of mental training and recovery strategies. The conversation highlights how consistent training and the right fueling techniques can enhance endurance and lead to personal breakthroughs. Success comes through adopting a holistic approach to ultra running, combining the right gear, structured training, and mental resilience for long-term success.

Our coaches who lead this discussion are 

Krissy Moehl, the recent voice of UTMB simulcast, coach, author, race director, etc. Ian Sharman, "freaking fast runner" with over 250 marathon and ultra finishes and world record-holder as the fastest marathon dressed as Elvis David Roche, coaching alongside his wife, Megan.  Oh, by the way, he just broke the 19-year-old course record at Leadville 100 in his first attempt at that distance.  Wanna learn more?  Check out our interview about how he did it.

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AND!!!!!  Check out the new free app we developed, Trail Triage

“For us is the life of action….let us rather run the risk of wearing out than rusting out.” Theodore Roosevelt

This is the 2 episode of a 3-part series, we dive into Ryan Holiday's powerful book, The Obstacle is the Way: The Ancient Art of Turning Adversity to Advantage. Holiday, an expert on Stoicism, outlines three essential steps to overcoming challenges—Perception, Action, and Will. In this episode, we focus on Action, essential for overcoming adversity

We are joined in this series by frequent Nation guest, Coach Adam Kimble. We talk about the critical role of action in overcoming life’s challenges, emphasizing the idea that deliberate action, rather than passive reaction, is key to growth. The discussion highlights how failure is not something to be feared but rather an essential part of the learning process, helping to clarify the path forward. We draw parallels between ultra running and everyday life, showing how perseverance and resilience are cultivated through a process-oriented approach. We also discuss cultural perceptions of failure, the need to reframe obstacles as opportunities for growth, and stress the importance of community in supporting personal development.

Part 1: EP 693: Perception: Turning Obstacles into Opportunities

Learn more about Coach Adam Kimble HERE

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In this episode, Dr. Phil Maffetone takes a comprehensive look at stress management, breaking it down into physical, biochemical, and mental/emotional categories. He shares practical strategies for addressing common stressors, from eliminating physical stress like ill-fitting shoes to managing biochemical stress through diet and reducing inflammation.

Dr. Phil shares his personal experiences as a songwriter and stand-up comedian, highlighting how creative outlets like music and comedy can help reduce stress. He emphasizes the importance of balancing positive and negative stress, with exercise playing a key role in stress management. Tools like heart rate monitors can serve as biofeedback for stress control, reminding us that everyone’s stress response is unique.

Learn more by watching these clips: - Dr. Phil's Birthday Video - The MAF Method - Dr. Phil's music - Dr. Phil's website

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What happens when a love for the outdoors leads to launching an outdoor gear company and then running your first ultra-marathon?

In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, we’re joined by Tayson Whittaker, founder and CEO of Outdoor Vitals, to dive into the world of fastpacking, trail running, and backpacking. Tayson shares his inspiring journey of launching Outdoor Vitals, a company committed to providing high-quality outdoor gear. He reflects on his love for exploring remote areas, disconnecting from the digital world, and how his passion for backpacking evolved into a desire to push his limits through trail running.

We also explore Tayson's transition into ultra running, including the challenges he faced in his first 75K race, his experience pacing at the Moab 240, and how these trials sparked his goal of completing a 100-mile race. Throughout the conversation, Tayson emphasizes the importance of building confidence through experience, using the right gear, and embracing the mental and emotional benefits of outdoor adventures. Whether you’re a runner, backpacker, or fastpacker, this episode is packed with insights on stepping out of your comfort zone and growing through new challenges in the wilderness.

• Watch Tayson talk about his 10 year journey with Outdoor Vitals
• Tayson's documentary of his first 100-mile completion
• Follow Outdoor Vitals on Instagram, Facebook, X, and YouTube
• Check out their podcast, LiveUltraLight

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