Topics Covered:

• 5 of the biggest needs facing worship leaders right now
• The reality of worship ministry
• The difference between artist and worship leader
• The gift of obscurity
• The tensions of not earning worship artist fame
• To use tracks or not to use tracks?
• Practical tips for speaking from the stage

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• Three Streams Worship – Mike’s Ministry

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My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #342: Mike O’Brien on Worship Artist/Leader Tensions, Local Church Ministry, & The Gift of Obscurity appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• Why deconstruction is a prophetic warning to the church
• Tommy’s deconstruction journey and why he became a Pastor
• Why most evangelical churches today lack engagement
• The problem with the worship industry and local church worship
• Why people are leaving the church
• Why the modern mega church looks more like Babylon than Christ

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• Invisible Jesus by Scot McKnight & Tommy Preson Phillips
• Tommy’s Substack
• Preson Phillips Music
• Watermark Church – where Tommy pastors

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #341: Tommy Preson Phillips on Why People Are Leaving The Church To Look For Christ appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Kelsey is a brilliant thinker. She is a musicologist and educator based in Iowa, holding a PhD from the University of Iowa.

Currently, Kelsey is a regular contributor to Christianity Today, writing and reporting on worship and church culture. She is also an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines, where she teaches on music and social justice.

As as a graduate student and adjunct faculty member at the University of Iowa, she taught a variety of courses on music history, social justice and the arts, and human rights. She served on the staff of the University of Iowa Center for Human Rights from 2010-2019, where she was the academic advisor for undergraduate students pursuing a Certificate in Human Rights. 

Kelsey’s dissertation research explored the use of American music in the reeducation of German POWs during WWII. Other areas of expertise include contemporary sacred music in the United States, 19th century choral music, Evangelical subcultures, human rights and the arts, and the intersection of art and ecotheology. She is an active presenter at academic conferences and accepts invitations for guest lectures and workshops on her research and on human rights education in higher ed. 

Topics Covered:

• More about Kelsey and her journey into musicology and journalism
• Our over-dependence on tools in worship ministry
• Why having conversations with our congregation is important
• Why we think all worship music sounds the same
• The complications of Christian celebrity and worship music
• Facing the music of money and profits in the worship industry

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• @kelseykmcginnis
• Kelsey’s Website

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My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #340: Kelsey Kramer McGinnis On Music, Money, & Profits in the Worship Industry (And What That Means For the Rest of Us) appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• The changes in Christian music from the 90s to now
• The worship music boom of the early 2000s and
• The story behind Third Day’s Offering worship record in 2000
• Why leading worship in a local church is harder than leading a worship concert
• The importance of self care for artists and worship leaders
• What the transition from band to solo artist has been like for Mac

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• I Love Jesus by Mac Powell

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #339: Mac Powell on CCM Through the Years, Early Third Day Stories, Worship Music, & Personal Soul Care appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• How Aodhan got connected to Hillsong
• The beginning of Young & Free
• The growth and struggle with popularity and touring
• The writing of new music
• God centered worship songs

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• Beyond Us by Aodhan King

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #338: Aodhan King on Early Young & Free Days, New Music, & Christ Centered Worship appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• What if felt like to make music in the early days of Delirious
• Why Martin moves in spontaneous/prophetic worship
• Why worship music less bold and creative today
• Why joy and celebration are needed in worship today
• Mega Church reform
• The Rockstar Worship Leader pandemic
• What it’s like having Stu G on the new record
• Stories behind songs on the new record, Joy

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• Joy by Martin Smith

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #337: Martin Smith on The Future of Worship Music, Local Church Tensions, & Songs of Joy appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• Critical thinking over a critical spirit
• Sam’s church story of leading worship in various denominations
• The importance of childlike faith
• How to avoid the trap of copying the songs and styles of a few movements
• Finding your own voice
• Worship industry problems
• Singing God-centered songs
• Stadium worship tours and worship nights

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• The Death of Death by Sam McCabe

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #336: Sam McCabe on The Worship Industry, Finding Your Own Voice, & Our Worship Song Diet appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• How Andrew got connected to The Belonging
• What it’s like to be the worship pastor at a church with so much talent
• Building a healthy volunteer culture
• God-centered worship songs
• Why you shouldn’t do too much ministry on your own
• How The Belonging Co runs their click & tracks
• The founding of Out With the Old

Resources Mentioned:

• Son of Man by The Belonging Co
• The Belonging Co
• Out With the Old (Andrew’s clothing company he co-founded)

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #335: Andrew Holt on The Belonging Co, Leading a Worship Ministry, & Encounter Over Entertainment appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• Why emotional manipulation in music is normal and not the real problem
• The problem with our language around “anointing”
• Money making and the worship industry – is this a problem?
• Humanizing the conversation around worship and the worship industry

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• Elias Dummer
• @eliasdummer
• Worship Leader Research

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #334: Elias Dummer on Humanizing The Conversation Around Worship Leading, Anointing, & The Worship Industry appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• Charlie’s theological journey
• Being an autodidact (self learner) and what they meant for Charlie’s career
• The genetics of music and what Charlie learned from the musicianship of his Father
• The magic of songwriting
• Why writer’s block is a myth
• Why the worship industry carries potential for problems
• The potential problem with celebrity worship leaders
• Why we should stop evaluating success by “what’s working.”
• How Charlie discovered Switchfoot and his favorite song he produced (48:00)

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• Every Kind of Uh Oh by Charlie Peacock
• Why Everything that Doesn’t Matter, Matters So Much by Charlie Peacock & Andi Ashworth

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #333: Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.

Topics Covered:

• Marriage advice
• How Andy developed his skill as a writer
• Why celebrity-driven worship is becoming exhuasting
• The idol of excellence
• Progress on Andy’s upcoming new record

Resources Mentioned:

• Show Sponsor: Planning Center
• Andy Squyres
• Poet Priest by Andy Squyres
• Death Defying Joy by Andy Squyres
• @andysquyres
• City in the Trees by Micah Dalton

Show Sponsor:

My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry.

It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning Planning Center. As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with Planning Center People, you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in.

First, some good news: People is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use People to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically.

In People, you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use People. From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do.

So go to planningcenter.com to use People for free.

The post #332: Andy Squyres on Writing, Celebrity Worship, & The Idol of Excellence appeared first on Beyond Sunday Worship.