Then and Now Preterist Podcast

Ed Stevens

Studying the past to shape a better future. Taught by Ed Stevens, President of the International Preterist Association. The production of new podcasts has been suspended while Ed prepares the next series. All of our previous podcasts are archived below. You will want to listen to all of them while waiting for the new ones to be produced. A PDF lesson outline for each podcast is available FREE by email request: ([email protected]). Mention the title or date of the podcast when you request it. Be sure to visit the International Preterist Association website (click on the webpage icon at the top on smartphone screens, or at the top right on computer screens). There are some great preterist articles, books, audio, and video resources to help you in your studies.

  • 58 minutes 48 seconds
    Walking Worthy BEFORE the End

    This is the first of two lessons that Ed Stevens presented at the 2016 Blue Point End Times Conference. This lesson discusses the kind of godly lifestyle that the pre-70 saints maintained, and explains WHY they lived that way. Their reasons for living sensibly, righteously, and godly during that time of persecution right before the End, was somewhat complex. While they were motivated by all of the same reasons that we are, they had an additional factor of eschatology. The nearness of the Parousia, and the need to finish the Great Commission, plus the imminency of the great tribulation (Neronic persecution), all combined to intensify their need to live holy lives. Even though we do not have those eschatological factors motivating us today, we do have the same hope of immortal life in heaven which those pre-70 saints had. And that hope stimulates us to purify ourselves, just like it did for those saints in the first century. For a PDF written transcript of this lesson, click here

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    13 May 2016, 4:00 am
  • 48 minutes 53 seconds
    Walking Worthy AFTER the End
    This is the second of two lessons that Ed Stevens presented at the 2016 Blue Point Endtimes Conference. The first lesson looked at HOW the pre-70 saints lived, and WHY they lived that way. We looked at their expectations and hope and other motivations to live holy lives. In this second lesson we apply those principles to our lives today. We show when the Kingdom was supposed to arrive, and what Jesus and the apostles taught about our lives in the Kingdom AFTER it arrived. Even though we do NOT have the eschatological factors motivating our lifestyle (like the first century saints had), we DO have the same hope and the same vulnerability to persecution and the same challenges of life in this evil world that they had. And that is more than enough motivation for us to live godly lives.

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    13 May 2016, 4:00 am
  • 48 minutes
    Deity of Christ and the Trinity
    The most important doctrine in all of Biblical revelation is the Deity of Christ and the Trinity. This teaching is certainly hard to wrap our minds around, but fortunately a full understanding of it is not crucial to our salvation. What is essential, however, is that we believe in the Deity of Christ, regardless of whether we fully understand it. So we will be looking at several Biblical texts which reveal and illustrate the Deity of Christ and the Trinity. We examine the powerful arguments of Anselm (eleventh century) who showed convincingly from Scripture that our atonement is completely dependent upon the Deity of Christ. No imperfect creature (man or angel) can atone for our sins. Only a perfect sinless sacrifice can die in our place, and only God is sinless. John 17:5 clearly teaches the Pre-Existence and Eternal Begottenness of the Divine Son of God. Revelation 5 shows all saints and angels in heaven giving equal worship and glory to both the Lamb and the One who sits on the throne. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    29 June 2014, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 1 minute
    Passing of Heaven & Earth - Chilton
    David Chilton gave these two speeches at a full preterist conference in Oklahoma City in 1997, not long after he had become a full preterist, and only a few months before he died. That was the occasion when he made the now famous remark: “...Here I am as a Full Preterist.” Chilton explained the meaning of Matthew 5:17-20 where Jesus predicted the passing away of the old heavens and earth. He shows that this was referring to the soon-coming end of the old covenantal world and the arrival of the new covenantal world in Christ and in the Church. He shows that this was the same “heaven and earth” and covenantal world mentioned in both 2 Peter 3 and Hebrews 8:13. He quotes from John Owen, John Brown, Milton Terry, J. S. Russell, and F. F. Bruce to support his point. Perhaps the most valuable part of this is his critique of Theonomy as it was explained by Greg Bahnsen and William Einwechter. Chilton clearly shows how the Theonomists misinterpreted both Matt 5:17-20 and Heb 8:13 when they bound the “jots and tittles” of the Ceremonial Law upon us today. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    22 June 2014, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 7 minutes
    Times of the Gentiles (Lk 21.24)
    Premillennialists connect the “Times of the Gentiles” (Lk 21:24) with the “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom 11:25), and claim that both texts will only be fulfilled after “all Israel” has accepted Jesus as Messiah, returned to the land of Israel, and rebuilt the temple. They see the “times of the Gentiles” as being the whole period from AD 70 until that future restoration (now almost two thousand years). We show from Lamentations 1:15; Revelation 11:2; Daniel 7:7-25; Ezekiel 30:3; Jeremiah 27:7; the Dead Sea Scrolls; the Apocrypha; Yosippon; and Enoch that the two phrases “tread under foot” and “times of the Gentiles” are referring to the Roman invasion and conquest of the Jews in AD 67-70. We also explain what the “fullness of the Gentiles” means in Romans 11:25. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    15 June 2014, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 6 minutes
    John 14 and Dwelling Places
    We explain John 14:3 to show that Jesus was promising a real cognitive experiential "reception" (rapture) of his disciples into the unseen realm of heaven at His Parousia. Critics of the first century rapture have to SPIRITUALIZE the "dwelling places" language, and IGNORE the "receive you to Myself" promise of Jesus! But that was NOT just figurative language about a covenantal status or soteriological condition, or code for the Collective Body or life in the Kingdom in a spiritual sense only. We show that the dwelling places of John 14:2-3 are actually in the unseen spiritual realm of heaven, and were not accessible to the saints until AFTER the transition period, and that Jesus (actually, cognitively, and experientially) took his disciples out of the visible realm on earth and "received them" into those new dwelling places in the unseen spiritual realm at His Parousia. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    8 June 2014, 4:00 am
  • 33 minutes 46 seconds
    How Eschatology Affects Our Ethics
    This is the first episode of our Summer 2014 Series. You are in for a treat this summer. We will be presenting some of our best seminar presentations, and former Preterist Radio podcasts that have not yet been posted here. This session will share a message that I presented at the 2009 Evangelical Theological Society conference in New Orleans. There were several young seminary students in the audience, along with a few fellow preterists. My lesson deals with the morals and ethics that come out of our eschatological worldviews. At the end there is a brief Q&A interaction with some of the young futurist seminary students who were in the audience. This is a good podcast to share with your non-preterist friends who do not understand the ethical problems facing Futurism. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    1 June 2014, 4:00 am
  • 1 hour 2 minutes
    Fall of Masada (AD 73)
    After Titus dismantled Jerusalem, gathered its spoils, and dispersed its captives, he left Judea to join his father in Rome. He commissioned Bassus and Silva to capture the three remaining rebel fortresses of Herodium, Macherus, and Masada. The Roman soldiers overturned every stone of the temple building in order to get the gold and silver that had melted into the cracks, unwittingly fulfilling Jesus' prophecy that there would not be left one stone upon another (Matt 24:2). The temple vessels and furnishings were taken to Rome by Titus. Herodium and Macherus offered little resistance, but Masada fought to the bitter end. We use evidence from archaeology, Josephus, Hegesippus, and Yosippon to support the idea that the Eleazar in command of Masada was the same Eleazar b. Ananias who had started the war and held the temple during most of the war. This same evidence suggests that Eleazar was the Man of Lawlessness that Apostle Paul referred to in his second letter to the Thessalonians. Those three historians talk about how Eleazar and his forces on Masada were ultimately defeated by the breath of the Lord's mouth and forced to be slain. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    25 May 2014, 4:00 am
  • 59 minutes 39 seconds
    Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70)
    Vespasian was proclaimed emperor by his troops in Judea, Egypt, and Syria. He left Palestine to go to Egypt before heading to Rome. He left his son Titus in Judea to begin the siege of Jerusalem. Titus waited until the city was full of people at Passover time to begin the siege. We read a number of passages from Josephus which have parallels in the book of Revelation, such as the weight of the stones thrown by the catapults, the pestilence and famines, as well as the blood in the lakes, rivers, streets of Jerusalem, and even in the Temple. We mention the famine during the siege which forced some to eat dung, and others into cannibalism. Josephus describes the cosmological symbolism of the temple veil and all the images that were embroidered on it (the heavens and earth and sea). The Holy of Holies was the place on earth where heaven and earth connected. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    18 May 2014, 4:00 am
  • 54 minutes 46 seconds
    Zealot Factions (AD 68-70)
    Vespasian bottled up the Jews in Jerusalem, so that he could fight them all together in one place in one big decisive battle. Then Nero died and Rome was plunged into civil war and external rebellions. The Zealots thought that would force the Roman army to make peace with them and leave Judea. Wrong! After a year-long suspension of warfare, Titus came back with a bigger force than ever. The Zealots seemed oblivious to the danger, and weakened themselves by factional in-fighting. John of Gischala and his soldiers committed abominable atrocities, torturing and killing their own people inside the city. Conditions inside the city grew unbearably worse by the day. And then Titus began the siege. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    11 May 2014, 4:00 am
  • 41 minutes 38 seconds
    Vespasian Gained Control (AD 67-69)
    Vespasian literally went from victory to victory. He finished reducing all the pockets of resistance in Galilee, and sent detachments all over the Decapolis, Perea, Judea, Idumea, Samaria, and Jericho, methodically driving out all the remaining rebels and forcing them to flee to Jerusalem. There were rumors of revolt in Turkey, so Vespasian quickened his pace to finish the Judean war, just in case his forces would be needed elsewhere. Just when he was ready to besiege Jerusalem, news reached him that Nero had died. Everything was put on hold until a new emperor could give him new orders. It took over a year for things in Rome to get under control, but when the dust settled, Vespasian was proclaimed the new emperor. This changed everything. If you wish to have the free PDF written lesson outline for this podcast, simply email us to request it ([email protected]). Be sure to mention the date of this podcast when you contact us.

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    4 May 2014, 4:00 am
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