• 43 minutes 50 seconds
    The Gen-Z writing style (with Bella Kay)

    Bella Kay almost shelved the song "iloveitiloveitiloveit." Instead she posted the song to TikTok and it changed her life. The song became a top 20 hit and launched her music career. Bella Kay joins host Charlie Harding live at NYU Steinhardt to discuss why she decided to drop out of pre-law, how she spins together unexpected rhymes, and what Auto-Tune can do to inspire creativity.

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Bella Kay – iloveitiloveitiloveit
    • Bella Kay – The Sick
    • Bella Kay – Steady
    • Bella Kay – karaoke
    • Bella Kay – A Father’s Lament
    • Bella Kay – i deserve better. 

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    10 November 2026, 8:01 am
  • 46 minutes 44 seconds
    A unified popstar theory from Tinashe

    On her eighth studio album Popstar, the criminally underrated multihyphenate Tinashe finally asserts herself as a Main Pop Girl, crafting a record about what it means to be a celebrity in the modern era. For her, it’s about grinding for years, living in the fantasy, and connecting herself to an artistic lineage – asserting a compelling thesis on stardom. On this episode of Switched On Pop, Reanna and Charlie talk all things Tinashe, and do some serious uplifting in the process.

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Tinashe – Sunglasses
    • Tinashe – Nasty
    • Tinashe – 2 On (feat. ScHoolboy Q)
    • Tinashe – Melatonin
    • Tinashe – I’d Rather Be Alone
    • Disco Lines, Tinashe – No Broke Boys
    • Tinashe – Too Easy
    • Tinashe – Popstar
    • Tinashe – The Show Must Go On
    • Britney Spears – Circus
    • Britney Spears – Piece of Me
    • Tinashe – Empty Stadium
    • Janet Jackson – Empty
    • Tinashe – Nobody Wanna Dance Anymore
    • Nine Inch Nails – Closer
    • Nine Inch Nails, Boys Noize – Closer - Nine Inch Noize
    • Miley Cyrus – Gimme What I Want
    • Rihanna – Kiss It Better

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    3 November 2026, 8:01 am
  • 30 minutes 20 seconds
    The 'bummer hope' of midwest emo (ft. Yvette Young and Mike Kinsella)

    A few months ago, Nate came across a glittering guitar riff unlike anything he had ever heard before; it managed to perfectly balance careful optimism with plaintive melancholy, stirring the spirit. That melody, played by guitarist Yvette Young, was a shining example of the “midwest emo” sound, a genre pioneered by bands like American Football, Gauge, and Braid. On this episode of Switched On Pop, Nate introduces Charlie to all things midwest and emo, speaking with Young and American Football frontman Mike Kinsella in the process. 

    CREDITS

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Link to Charlie and Nate's live event with Jensen McRae @ USC!

    Songs discussed:

    • Gauge – Blunchlox
    • Braid – Never Will Come For Us
    • Joan Of Arc – The Hands
    • American Football – Never Meant
    • American Football – Stay Home
    • Covet, San Holo – shibuya (ft. San Holo)
    • Tiny Moving Parts – Always Focused
    • Oliver Houston – The Dork Ages
    • American Football – Man Overboard
    • American Football – Bad Moons

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    27 October 2026, 7:01 am
  • 48 minutes 36 seconds
    The rise of surrealist pop: KATSEYE and ADÉLA

    The music of global girl group KATSEYE might be confusing on first listen. A less-generous read might consider their songs to be rudimentary: the lyrics are mostly nonsense, the instrumentals evoke lesser 2010s pop songs, and the aesthetic can’t decide whether it’s targeted to children or adults. However, maybe the nonsensical nature of KATSEYE is also… the point? And maybe that point is tethered to early surrealist movements of the early twentieth century?

    On this episode of Switched on Pop, producer Reanna makes the case to Nate that KATSEYE and ADÉLA are indicative of a larger shift in pop music, one that tethers itself to Marcel Duchamp and the dada movement.

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Link to Charlie and Nate’s live event with Jensen McRae at USC!

    Songs discussed:

    • The Lonely Island, Emma Stone – Turn Up The Beef
    • KATSEYE – Gnarly
    • KATSEYE – Animal
    • KATSEYE – Hootie Frutti
    • KATSEYE – PINKY UP
    • Fifth Harmony – I’m In Love With a Monster
    • Portugal. The Man – Feel It Still
    • Britney Spears – Toxic
    • Britney Spears – Circus
    • Da Hool – Meet Her at the Loveparade
    • Little Richard – Tutti Frutti
    • ADÉLA – Ain’t In La
    • Miley Cyrus – We Can’t Stop
    • ADÉLA – Nicole Kidman

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    20 October 2026, 7:01 am
  • 1 hour 1 minute
    Why we need bad music

    For the 500th(!) episode of Switched on Pop, Charlie and Nate try to answer the question that has stumped critics and philosophers since the dawn of sound: does bad music exist? Their quest to answer something so nebulous leads them through the annals of taste, and in the process, they recruit several other critics and journalists to give their two cents on the topic. Can things actually be bad, and if so, how do we define them?

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Kristin Chenoweth, “Taylor the Latte Boy”
    • Komar and Melamid & Dave Soldier, “The Most Unwanted Song"
    • Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, "Violin Concerto in D major, Op. 35: III. Finale. Allegro vivacissimo"
    • Johann Strauss II, The Blue Danube"
    • Johann Sebastian Bach, "The Well-Tempered Clavier No. 2: Prelude and Fugue in C minor"
    • Pete Rock & CL Smooth, "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)"
    • Lil Yachty, "1 Night"
    • Sam Laxton, Lonskii, “Adagio For Strings”
    • Daft Punk, Pharrell Williams, Nile Rodgers, “Get Lucky”
    • Florence Foster Jenkins, "Queen of the Night’s Aria"
    • BB King, Eric Clapton, “Riding With the King”
    • Paul McCartney, "Temporary Secretary"
    • The Beatles, "Here Comes the Sun"
    • Paul McCartney, "Wonderful Christmastime"
    • Lou Reed, "Who Am I? (Tripitena’s Song)"
    • Insane Clown Posse, "Miracles"
    • Primus, "DMV"
    • Iggy Azalea ft. Charli xcx, "Fancy"
    • The Killers, "Human"

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    14 October 2026, 4:12 am
  • 47 minutes 55 seconds
    Has Taylor Swift jumped the shark?

    One year after the release of her twelfth studio album The Life of a Showgirl, Taylor Swift is back with an encore. Specifically, The Encore, four tracks that have polarized critics and Swifties alike, from the country-esque number one hit “Patient Zero” to her ode to married Ohioan bliss, “Cleveland!” For some, the new songs lean into Swift’s worst writing impulses. But for others, including our hosts (and resident Swiftologists) Charlie and Nate, the tracks call back to earlier eras of Swift’s songwriting, and perhaps evoke more nuanced discussion about what it means to release music as the biggest artist in the world. The question is: are we ready for it? 

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Taylor Swift, “Patient Zero”
    • Taylor Swift, “Cleveland!”
    • Taylor Swift, “Pink Clouding” 
    • Taylor Swift, “Babylon”
    • Taylor Swift, “Red”

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    6 October 2026, 4:00 am
  • 49 minutes 17 seconds
    Carly Rae Jepsen’s pop pedagogy

    Five years after her first appearance on Switched on Pop, Carly Rae Jepsen returns to the podcast to talk all things Day and Night, her latest album. Born out of Swedish disco, big emotion, and substantive life change – including becoming a wife and a mother – the double album is a tour through the organic and the synthetic, both in equal measure. For Charlie and Nate, this is a full circle moment, and along with discussing the record, the two talk to Jepsen about the origins of the show, her songwriting process, and what it means to be such an important champion of pop music.

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Carly Rae Jepsen, “After All”
    • Carly Rae Jepsen, “Versailles”
    • Carly Rae Jepsen, “Don’t Leave Me on the Dance Floor”
    • Carly Rae Jepsen, “Near or Far”
    • Carly Rae Jepsen, “Motivation”

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    29 September 2026, 7:01 am
  • 38 minutes 19 seconds
    Tove Lo wants her music to sound out of control (ft. Tove Lo)

    Swedish singer-songwriter Tove Lo’s new album ESTRUS can be summarized in the opening lyrics of the album’s closing track, “source of life”: “Feral, fragile, numb, ecstatic / sad, euphoric, catatonic / Horny, repulsed, proud and shameful / Good, demonic, contradictions.” 

    A songwriter with a string of multi-platinum hits in the 2010s, Tove Lo has crafted a career founded on musical contradiction, with songs that straddle the line between messy and controlled. Her lyrics tend to skew both horny and sensitive, and her latest record features both of those vibes in equal measure. On this episode of Switched on Pop, Charlie and Nate sit down with her to talk all things ESTRUS. 

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Tove Lo, “a lot of feelings, no solutions”
    • Tove Lo, “I’m your girl right?”
    • Stromae, “Alors on danse”
    • Tove Lo, “des fleurs x Stromae”
    • Tove Lo, “DNH”
    • Tove Lo, “F.A.M.T”
    • Tove Lo, “are we on a break”
    • Tove Lo, “idiot”
    • Tove Lo, “source of life”

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    22 September 2026, 7:01 am
  • 57 minutes 59 seconds
    Lizzy McAlpine summons Nick Drake & Joni Mitchell

    Lizzy McAlpine opens up about her 4th album Angel alongside collaborators Mason Stoops and Taylor Mackall. Recorded live at Power Station at Berklee NYC. 


    Songs Discussed

    Lizzy McAlpine "Anybody's Fool"

    Lizzy McAlpine "A Car Wash and a New Pair of Pants"

    Nick Drake "One of These Things First"

    Lizzy McAlpine "Two Elevens"

    Adam Guettel "Through the Mountain"

    Lizzy McAlpine "Our Strange Ways"

    Joni Mitchell "Hejira"

    Lizzy McAlpine "Soldier of the Road"

    Lizzy McAlpine "Peach"

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    18 September 2026, 4:05 am
  • 40 minutes 33 seconds
    The power of singing together (ft. Tiny Habits)

    Throughout pop history, groups from The Ink Spots to the Beach Boys to Fleetwood Mac all forged their sound in the alchemy of vocal harmonies, harnessing the magic that happens when different voices join as one. Then suddenly, right around the 1980s, vocal harmonies started to wane in pop. Whether it was Michael Jackson creating a new model of the solo star, music technology making the voice more like an instrument, or simply audiences wanting a new sound, today the art of vocal harmony is hard to find on the charts. But bands like Tiny Habits, whose originals and covers showcase intricate and delicate harmonies, are bringing the sound back to the people, with a message that everyone needs to sing more, and to sing together.

    CREDITS 

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Fleetwood Mac – The Chain
    • The Roches – Hammond Song
    • Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – Suite: Judy Blue Eyes
    • Pérotin, The Hilliard Ensemble – Viderunt omnes
    • Mbuti men – Elephant Hunting Song
    • Bulgarian State Television Female Choir – Pilentze Pee
    • The Golden Gate Quartet – Stormy Weather
    • The Jackson 5 – Who’s Lovin’ You
    • Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons – C’mon Marianne
    • The Beach Boys – Barbara Ann
    • Michael Jackson – Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough
    • Tiny Habits – Right In Front Of Me
    • Tiny Habits – Anything He Was
    • Tiny Habits – one more (live acoustic)

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    15 September 2026, 7:01 am
  • 34 minutes 57 seconds
    Questionably Country

    For the first time in history, five country songs were at the top of the Billboard Hot 100. Ella Langley, Morgan Wallen, Taylor Swift and Stella Lefty all have songs that range from two-stepping hits to borderline Americana: what do these songs say about the state of country music?

    CREDITS

    • Reanna Cruz: Producer 
    • Iris Gottlieb: Illustrator 
    • Charlie Harding: Host, Executive Producer 
    • Dion Lee: Art Director 
    • Brandon McFarland: Audio Engineer 
    • Nick Ripps: Video Editor 
    • Nate Sloan: Host 
    • Lissa Soep: Editor 
    • Zach Tenorio & Jocie Adams: Theme Composers 

    Switched On Pop is a co-production of Vox Media Podcast Network, Vulture, and Rock Ridge Productions.

    Links: ⁠⁠Newsletter⁠⁠ 

    Songs discussed:

    • Dolly Parton, “9 to 5”
    • Dolly Parton & Kenny Rogers, “Islands In the Stream”
    • Dolly Parton, “Rockstar”
    • Ella Langley, “Choosin’ Texas”
    • Ronnie Milsap, “Smoky Mountain Rain”
    • George Strait, “Amarillo By Morning”
    • Johnny Cash, “Folsom Prison Blues”
    • Brad Paisley, “Cluster Pluck (feat. James Burton, Vince Gill, Albert Lee, John Jorgenson, Brent Mason, Redd Volkaert & Steve Wariner)”
    • Buddy Holly, “That’ll Be The Day”
    • Stevie Ray Vaughan, “Texas Flood”
    • George Strait, “All My Ex’s Live In Texas”
    • The Pointer Sisters, “Slow Hand”
    • Conway Twitty, “Slow Hand”
    • Morgan Wallen, “Been By Now”
    • Ella Langley & Morgan Wallen, “I Can’t Love You Anymore”
    • Taylor Swift, “I Knew It, I Knew You (From ‘Toy Story 5’)”
    • Squeeze, “Tempted”
    • The Velvet Underground, “Sweet Jane”
    • Taylor Swift, “I Knew You Were Trouble.”
    • Taylor Swift, “cardigan”
    • Stella Lefty, “Boston”
    • Noah Kahan, “Stick Season”

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    1 September 2026, 7:01 am
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