Rob Smith, LMAC, LASUDC, is a therapist with over 10 years of personal and professional experience. He specializes in helping individuals tap into their inner strengths, generate momentum for change, and live in alignment with their core values. Rob loves spending time with his wife and supporting their kids in their passions and activities.

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Accepted Therapy
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Highlights

Rob discusses the complexities of providing support to individuals facing mental health challenges and the burdens that can arise for leaders in church settings. The conversation emphasizes the importance of empathy, boundaries, and community in effective leadership.

00:02:10 – Importance of Mental Health in Leadership
00:03:30 – Balancing Help and Personal Well-being
00:05:00 – Interview Introduction with Rob Smith
00:05:40 – Rob’s Background and Specialization
00:06:30 – Personal Struggles and the Need for Help
00:08:00 – The Journey of Seeking Help
00:10:00 – Community Support in Recovery
00:12:00 – The Importance of Healthy Boundaries
00:14:00 – Empathy in Leadership
00:16:00 – Mourning with Those Who Mourn
00:20:00 – Understanding the Weight of Pain
00:22:00 – The Role of Leaders in Carrying Burdens
00:23:30 – The Challenge of Relating to Others’ Struggles
00:25:00 – Setting Healthy Boundaries as a Leader
00:28:00 – The Complexity of Supporting Others
00:30:00 – The Need for Forgiveness and Compassion
00:32:00 – The Role of Opposition in Growth
00:34:00 – The Importance of Community Resources
00:36:00 – Balancing Individual Needs with Community Support
00:38:00 – The Role of Gratitude in Helping Others
00:40:00 – Delegating Support Within the Church Community
00:42:00 – Reflecting on Systemic Issues in Support

Key Insights

Empathy vs. Problem-Solving: Leaders often feel compelled to solve problems for those they support, but true empathy involves sitting with individuals in their pain rather than trying to immediately alleviate it.

The Weight of Pain: Understanding that pain has a physical and emotional weight can help leaders connect with those they serve. Leaders should be willing to share in that weight without trying to fix it.

Boundaries are Essential: Leaders must establish healthy boundaries to protect their own mental health. This includes recognizing when to step back from situations that may overwhelm them.

Community Support: A strong community can enhance recovery and support. Leaders should encourage individuals to seek help from a broader network rather than relying solely on them.

Forgiveness and Compassion: Leaders need to practice forgiveness towards those who may not show gratitude or who take advantage of their help. This allows leaders to continue serving without resentment.

Opposition in All Things: Recognizing that challenges are a part of life can help leaders understand that they cannot solve every problem. This perspective fosters resilience and growth.

Leadership Applications

Creating Safe Spaces: Leaders can foster environments where individuals feel safe to express their struggles without fear of judgment. This can be achieved by openly discussing difficult emotions and experiences.

Utilizing Resources: Leaders should leverage the strengths of their community by connecting individuals with appropriate resources, such as support groups or other members who have faced similar challenges.

Regular Check-Ins: Leaders should regularly assess their own well-being and that of their fellow leaders. This can help prevent burnout and ensure that they are equipped to support others effectively.

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Where is Leading Saints going in 2026? Listen in to find out!

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Highlights

In this episode, Kurt Francom discusses the evolution of Leading Saints and the introduction of Zion Lab, an online community aimed at fostering leadership and cultural development among Latter-day Saints.

00:03:04 – Introducing Adam Treadwell
Introduction of Adam Treadwell and his connection to Leading Saints.

00:04:03 – North Star Conference
Promotion of the North Star Conference and its relevance to church leaders.

00:06:01 – Adam’s Journey with Leading Saints
Adam shares his experience and history with Leading Saints.

00:07:01 – Key Accomplishments of 2025
Summary of key achievements and insights from Leading Saints in 2025.

00:10:57 – Zion Lab Progress
Discussion on the development and functionality of Zion Lab as a community platform.

00:11:57 – In-Person Leadership Gatherings
Exploration of the impact of in-person leadership workshops and conferences.

00:12:28 – Understanding Zion Lab
Description of Zion Lab as a social media platform for church leaders.

00:16:06 – Personal Insights from 2025
Kurt shares personal reflections and insights gained throughout the year.

00:19:29 – Cultural Development in Leadership
Discussion on the importance of culture development in church leadership.

00:22:03 – Future of Leading Saints in 2026
Exploration of content distribution and future plans for Leading Saints.

00:25:23 – Expanding Language Resources
Discussion on the need for Spanish and other language podcasts.

00:27:53 – Importance of Zion Lab
Jared’s question about the significance of Zion Lab in the evolution of Leading Saints.

00:30:32 – Moderation in Zion Lab
Addressing concerns about moderating discussions and ensuring a safe community.

00:34:59 – Inclusivity in Discussions
Discussion on ensuring diverse voices are heard in Zion Lab.

00:35:38 – Eliminating Borders with Zion Lab
How Zion Lab can connect church leaders beyond geographical boundaries.

00:39:39 – Content Creation Process
Kurt explains his approach to finding and creating content for Leading Saints.

00:44:02 – Emerging Themes and Trends
Discussion on potential themes and trends for future content.

00:48:05 – Navigating Difficult Topics
Kurt shares his thoughts on addressing challenging subjects in church leadership.

Key Insights

Shift to Community Focus: Leading Saints is transitioning from being solely a podcast to a community-driven platform through Zion Lab, where leaders can share ideas and best practices.

Grassroots Leadership: Significant cultural shifts within the church will come from lay members rather than institutional changes, highlighting the role of individual initiative in building Zion.

Content Creation and Curation: The podcast will continue, but the emphasis will be on community-generated content, allowing for a broader range of voices and experiences to be shared.

Diversity of Perspectives: Zion Lab aims to create a safe space for discussions on various topics, including controversial issues, while ensuring that all voices are heard and respected.

Language Expansion: There are plans to expand content into other languages, recognizing the diverse experiences of Latter-day Saints worldwide.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Participation: Leaders are encouraged to actively participate in Zion Lab, sharing their experiences and insights, which can help others in similar situations.

Fostering Community: By connecting with others in their local areas and beyond, leaders can find support and inspiration, reinforcing the idea that they are not alone in their challenges.

Embracing Change: Leaders should be open to new ideas and approaches, understanding that effective leadership often requires adapting to the unique needs of their communities rather than relying solely on institutional directives.

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Lani Hilton is a dedicated enthusiast of the Easter Season. She has lived a Christ-centered Easter season with her family for 20 years and has been teaching about it in settings like BYU Education Week and firesides since 2015. She published a book called Celebrate Sunday and has written articles for the Liahona and LDS living. Along with her husband, John, she is the proud parent of six children, four currently at Brigham Young University. Lani finds great joy in the simplicity and beauty of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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lanihilton.com/easter
A Christ-Centered Easter: Day-By-Day Activities to Celebrate Easter Week
Easter-themed resources from Deseret Book
Connecting Others to Jesus Through the Cross at Calvary | An Interview with John Hilton III
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Highlights

Lani Hilton talks about the importance of making Easter a season rather than just a single day of celebration. Lani shares her journey of creating meaningful Easter traditions and how she has implemented these ideas at both home and community levels, particularly focusing on Palm Sunday.

00:04:04 – Lonnie’s Journey to Celebrating Easter
00:05:24 – Simplifying Traditions as a Busy Mom
00:06:08 – Church’s Focus on Easter as a Season
00:06:40 – Elder Stevenson’s Call for a Christ-Centered Easter
00:09:51 – Expanding the Easter Celebration Timeline
00:10:57 – Encouragement to Start Early with Planning
00:12:44 – Involving Youth in Easter Activities
00:13:57 – Lonnie’s Experience with Stake Activities
00:15:41 – The Importance of Creating Meaningful Experiences
00:17:16 – Organizing a Palm Sunday Celebration
00:20:24 – Keeping the Celebration Engaging and Short
00:22:07 – Community Involvement and Outreach
00:25:06 – The Joy of Praising the Savior
00:27:16 – The Impact of a Large Gathering
00:29:03 – Advertising the Palm Sunday Event
00:31:01 – Encouraging Family Participation
00:32:24 – Resources for Planning Easter Activities
00:35:35 – Reflection on the Success of the Event
00:39:15 – Looking Ahead to Future Celebrations

Key Insights

Easter as a Season: Lani emphasizes the need to extend the celebration of Easter beyond just Easter Sunday, suggesting that it can encompass a period of reflection and worship leading up to and following the holiday.

Inspiration from Church Leaders: Elder Stevenson’s talks have encouraged members to recognize Palm Sunday and the Easter season more thoughtfully, prompting a shift in how Latter-day Saints approach these celebrations.

Community Involvement: Lani highlights the importance of involving the entire community in Easter celebrations, suggesting that events should be inclusive and accessible to all, not just church members.

Simple Traditions: She advocates for simple, Christ-centered traditions that can be easily integrated into family life, making it possible for busy families to participate without feeling overwhelmed.

Worshipful Experiences: The focus should be on creating worshipful experiences that allow participants to praise and adore Jesus Christ, fostering a deeper connection to the Savior during this holy time.

Leadership Applications

Planning Ahead: Leaders should begin discussions about Easter celebrations in January to allow ample time for planning and community involvement, ensuring that activities are well-organized and meaningful.

Encouraging Participation: Leaders can facilitate events that invite participation from all ages, such as a Palm Sunday celebration, which can help foster a sense of community and shared worship.

Flexibility in Activities: Leaders are encouraged to adapt ideas and resources to fit their local context, recognizing that not every ward or stake will have the same capabilities or traditions, but all can create impactful experiences centered on Christ.

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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John Hilton III was born in San Francisco and grew up in Seattle. He served a mission in Denver, and got a Bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University. While there he met his wife Lani and they have six children. They have lived in Boise, Boston, Miami, Mexico, Jerusalem and China. John has a Master’s degree from Harvard and a Ph.D from BYU, both in Education. John is a professor of Religious Education at BYU.

John has published several books with Deseret Book, including Considering the Cross: How Calvary Connects Us with Christ. He’s the author of the new course “Finding Christ in the Old Testament.”





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ScriptureCentral.org
Scripture Central on YouTube
Finding Christ in the Old Testament
Newsroom: New Guidance on Bible Translations for Latter-day Saints
Handbook: 38.8.40.1 Editions and translations of the Holy Bible
YouVersion Bible App page (Apple app here)
Keeping Jesus as the Center of Leadership | An Interview with John Hilton III
Connecting Others to Jesus Through the Cross at Calvary | An Interview with John Hilton III
Bearded Bishops, Rated-R Movies, & the Honor Code | An Interview with John Hilton III
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Highlights

In this episode, John discusses the recent changes in the Church’s approach to Bible translations and how these changes can enhance understanding of the scriptures, particularly the Old Testament. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accessibility and comprehension in scripture study.

Key Insights

The Church’s handbook now states that while members should generally use a preferred or church-published edition of the Bible, other translations may also be used, reflecting a shift towards inclusivity and understanding.

Many individuals struggle with the King James Version due to its higher reading level, which can hinder their engagement with the scriptures. Simpler translations can provide clarity and accessibility.

Various Bible translations, such as the English Standard Version (ESV) and New International Version (NIV), can help bridge the gap for those who find the King James Version challenging, making the scriptures more relatable and understandable.

The discussion highlights the importance of using different translations in teaching settings to enhance comprehension and engagement, particularly for youth and those unfamiliar with the King James Version.

Leaders are encouraged to create an inclusive environment in classes where all translations are respected, fostering a space for discussion and learning.

Leadership Applications

Leaders can promote the use of various Bible translations in their classes to help members better understand scriptural principles, especially for those who may struggle with traditional texts.

By being aware of the reading levels of different translations, leaders can guide individuals to resources that suit their comprehension needs, ensuring that everyone can access the teachings of the scriptures.

Encouraging open discussions about different translations can help create a welcoming atmosphere in church settings, allowing members to feel comfortable sharing their insights and questions without fear of judgment.

00:02:44 – Guest Introduction: John Hilton III
00:03:26 – Classroom Applications of Bible Translations
00:04:08 – John Hilton’s Projects with Scripture Central
00:04:50 – Changes in Church Handbook Regarding Bible Translations
00:08:34 – Discussion on Handbook Changes
00:14:33 – Historical Context of Bible Translations
00:19:07 – Addressing Concerns About Modern Translations
00:21:18 – Recommendations for Bible Translations
00:24:31 – Using Different Translations for Comprehension
00:26:04 – Importance of Accessible Translations for Youth
00:28:01 – Anticipating Classroom Dynamics with Various Translations
00:30:21 – Creating a Respectful Classroom Environment
00:32:51 – Teaching Strategies for Engaging with Scriptures
00:41:18 – The Role of Listening to Scripture
00:44:10 – Speculation on Future Translations of Church Scriptures
00:47:44 – Encouraging Leaders to Support Comprehension in Others

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Joshua Sears earned his BA in Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Brigham Young University, an MA from The Ohio State University, and a PhD in Hebrew Bible from The University of Texas at Austin. His research focuses on biblical polygamy, the book of Isaiah, and Latter-day Saint Bible editions. He has presented at numerous academic and Church-related conferences and is the author of A Modern Guide to an Old Testament.





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A Modern Guide to an Old Testament
BYU Religious Studies Center: rsc.byu.edu
Kerry Muhlestein: “A Savior with a Sword”
Blue Letter Bible
BibleHub
NetBible.org
NRSVUE Bible: New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
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Key Insights

Understanding Genres: The Old Testament contains various literary genres, including poetry, narrative, and prophecy. Recognizing these genres is crucial for proper interpretation and enhances the reading experience.

Challenges of the Old Testament: The text is lengthy and covers a vast historical period, which can be overwhelming. It also includes complex themes such as violence and cultural practices that may challenge modern readers.

Christ in the Old Testament: Jehovah, the Lord in the Old Testament, is identified as the premortal Jesus Christ. Understanding this connection allows readers to see Christ’s active role throughout the text, not just in prophecies of His mortal ministry.

Resources for Study: Utilizing various resources, including the Come Follow Me manual, podcasts, and online tools, can enhance understanding and provide context for difficult passages.

Addressing Difficult Questions: It is acceptable for teachers to admit when they do not know the answer to a question. This honesty fosters a learning environment and encourages further exploration of the scriptures.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Engagement: Leaders can promote a deeper understanding of the Old Testament by encouraging members to explore its genres and themes, helping them to appreciate its relevance to their faith.

Creating a Supportive Environment: By modeling humility and openness about not having all the answers, leaders can create a safe space for discussion and inquiry, allowing members to feel comfortable asking questions.

Utilizing Resources: Leaders should leverage available resources, such as the new institute manuals and online tools, to prepare lessons that are informative and engaging, ensuring that the focus remains on the scriptures themselves.

Timestamps

00:03:02 – Overview of “A Modern Guide to an Old Testament”
00:04:18 – Challenges of the Old Testament
00:05:33 – The Complexity of Old Testament Genres
00:06:43 – Teaching Strategies for the Old Testament
00:08:10 – Shifting Mindsets for Old Testament Study
00:09:48 – Importance of Understanding Context
00:11:06 – Balancing Content Mastery and Teaching
00:12:28 – Keeping Jesus Christ at the Center
00:14:10 – Resources for Hebrew Words and Translations
00:15:46 – Using Podcasts for Study
00:17:27 – Navigating Difficult Questions in Class
00:19:19 – Emphasizing Conversion in Teaching
00:20:30 – The Role of AI in Biblical Study
00:22:04 – Addressing Tough Issues in the Old Testament

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Will Kennedy and Isiah Gray are members of Brothaz in the Foyer, a group that produces content to represent and share the experiences of Black members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are part of a larger group of hosts for the Brothaz in the Foyer Podcast, and their goal is to bring people “from the foyer into the chapel.” This conversation explores their personal journeys, the dynamics of race within the Church, and the importance of fostering understanding and inclusivity.

Links

YouTube: @brothazinthefoyer
Instagram: @brothazinthefoyer
TikTok: @brothazinthefoyer
Paul Reeve books
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Key Insights

Experiences in the Temple: Will and Isiah share how their experiences as Black men in the temple often draw attention, highlighting the need for normalization of diverse representation within sacred spaces.

Cultural Differences: The hosts discuss how their backgrounds influence their experiences in the Church, noting that cultural differences can lead to misunderstandings and the need for open dialogue.

Reconciliation with Church History: Both emphasize the importance of understanding the Church’s history regarding race, including the priesthood ban, and how this knowledge can strengthen faith rather than diminish it.

Empathy and Genuine Interaction: They stress the importance of treating all individuals as children of God and engaging in genuine conversations to bridge cultural gaps, rather than making interactions feel forced or awkward.

Political Climate and Faith: The discussion touches on the politicization of race and the need for members to prioritize their faith and love for others over political affiliations, promoting unity within the Church.

Leadership Applications

Foster Open Dialogue: Leaders should create environments where members feel comfortable discussing sensitive topics related to race and culture, encouraging transparency and understanding.

Educate on Church History: Leaders can benefit from familiarizing themselves with resources like Paul Reeve’s book on race in the priesthood to better address historical issues and foster inclusivity.

Encourage Representation: Leaders should seek diverse voices in leadership roles and callings, recognizing that representation can enhance the community’s strength and unity, while also being mindful not to tokenize individuals based on race.

Highlights

00:03:09 – Origin of Brothaz in the Foyer Podcast
00:04:34 – Cultural Differences in Latter-day Saint Experiences
00:06:08 – Broader Christian Dialogue and Inclusivity
00:06:58 – Personal Background: Will’s Journey to the Church
00:08:35 – Personal Background: Isiah’s Journey to the Church
00:10:58 – Navigating Church Culture and History
00:14:03 – Discussing Race in Church Settings
00:17:04 – Parenting and Discussing Race with Children
00:19:46 – Encouragement for Friends Struggling with Church History
00:20:15 – Seeking the Savior in Difficult Conversations
00:22:34 – Addressing Race in Church Leadership
00:23:38 – Importance of Validation and Transparency
00:25:27 – Practical Approaches for Church Leaders
00:26:26 – Genuine Interactions vs. Awkwardness
00:29:06 – Experiences in the Temple
00:31:17 – Building Relationships through Meaningful Conversations
00:33:41 – Representation and Diversity in Leadership
00:35:02 – Navigating Race in Utah and the Wasatch Front
00:37:57 – The Impact of Politics on Race Conversations
00:42:36 – Mixing Christianity with Politics
00:45:59 – Addressing Racism in the Church Context
00:47:02 – Empathy and Understanding in Racial Discussions

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Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Primary is so much more than schedules, rolls, and meetings—it’s a sacred opportunity to love, lift, and lead like the Savior. In this inspiring interview, we explore how Primary presidencies and leaders can transform everyday administration into meaningful ministry.

Michelle Colledge lives in Cedar Hills, Utah with her husband, Rick, and their five children. She owns and coaches at Canyon Gymnastics and loves reading, traveling, and spending time with her family. She graduated from Utah Valley University, served a full-time mission in the North Carolina Raleigh Mission, and has served in various callings including stake Primary president, ward Primary president, and in several Primary and Young Women presidencies.



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Key Insights

Building Community: Michelle emphasizes the importance of creating a sense of community within Primary by engaging with children and their families, such as through home visits for birthdays, which fosters personal connections.

Perceptive Leadership: Leaders should be observant and responsive to the needs of children, ensuring that every child feels valued and included. This includes recognizing when a child feels overlooked and taking steps to address it.

Innovative Programming: The introduction of a stake Primary devotional allowed children to actively participate in leadership roles, such as greeters and speakers, which empowered them and made the event more engaging.

Personalized Involvement: Michelle highlights the significance of knowing each child’s name and interests, which helps leaders connect on a deeper level and enhances the overall Primary experience.

Flexibility in Leadership: Leaders should be willing to adapt and create new opportunities for service and connection, as demonstrated by the transition from traditional birthday celebrations to personalized home visits during COVID-19.

Leadership Applications

Foster Personal Connections: Latter-day Saint leaders can implement home visits or personalized notes to recognize children’s milestones, enhancing their sense of belonging and importance within the community.

Encourage Participation: By inviting children to take on roles in Primary programs, leaders can help them develop confidence and a sense of responsibility, making church activities more meaningful.

Be Observant and Responsive: Leaders should regularly assess the dynamics within their Primary classes, looking for ways to support teachers and children, ensuring that everyone feels included and valued in the Primary experience.

Highlights

00:04:28 – Transitioning from Ward to Stake Primary Presidency
00:06:04 – Finding Footing as Stake Primary President
00:08:19 – Monthly Presidency Meetings and Activities
00:10:19 – Yearly Primary Activity Planning
00:11:59 – Training for New Primary Presidencies
00:12:52 – Best Practices for Primary Presentations
00:16:25 – Creating a Reverent Atmosphere in Presentations
00:18:56 – Encouraging Children to Write Their Own Parts
00:19:56 – Engaging with Children in Primary
00:20:45 – Personal Connections with Children
00:25:13 – Connecting with Primary Presidencies in the Stake
00:27:11 – Perceiving Needs Like the Savior
00:29:19 – Inviting Children to Serve in Primary
00:34:56 – Organizing a Stake Primary Devotional
00:40:21 – Conclusion and Q&A Session

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Blake Erickson is the co-founder of Scaling.com, a company dedicated to helping entrepreneurs scale bigger and faster than they ever thought possible. He is the co-author of the New York Times best-selling book The Science of Scaling, and a highly sought-after keynote speaker specializing in guiding companies and individuals to achieve rapid growth and seemingly impossible goals. Blake resides in Utah with his amazing wife, Bre, and their two sons.





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Links

The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible
Scaling.com/Audiobook
The Science of Scaling Your Ward | An Interview with Benjamin Hardy
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Highlights

Blake discusses the importance of setting ambitious goals and the principles of effective leadership within the context of Latter-day Saint service. The conversation emphasizes how faith and intentionality can lead to significant results in both personal and church-related endeavors.

Key Insights

Goal Setting and Faith: Blake shares his experience of setting a seemingly impossible goal of 100 baptisms during his mission, illustrating how faith and ambition can drive success.

Identifying Key Indicators: He emphasizes the importance of recognizing patterns and indicators that lead to success, such as focusing on individuals who are genuinely interested in the gospel rather than spreading efforts too thin.

The Power of One: The discussion highlights that often, one person can make a significant impact, whether in a business or church setting, by inspiring others and driving collective progress.

Less is More: Blake advocates for the idea that achieving goals often requires doing less but with greater focus, rather than simply increasing activity levels.

Cultural Dynamics: The conversation touches on the need to challenge existing cultural norms that may hinder progress, encouraging leaders to empower all members to contribute actively.

Leadership Applications

Setting Clear Goals: Latter-day Saint leaders can adopt Blake’s approach by establishing clear, ambitious goals for their congregations, focusing on what truly matters to drive spiritual growth and engagement.

Fostering a Culture of Participation: Leaders should encourage all members to take initiative and share their insights, breaking down barriers that prevent individuals from stepping forward in service.

Prioritizing Key Activities: By identifying the most impactful activities and focusing efforts on those, leaders can enhance the effectiveness of their ministries, ensuring that resources are used wisely and results are maximized.

00:03:24 – Blake Erickson’s Mission Experience
00:04:10 – Shifting Focus on Mission Goals
00:05:06 – Learning from Missionary Work
00:06:58 – Identifying Key Indicators for Success
00:08:27 – Setting Goals and Expectations
00:10:18 – The Importance of Commitment
00:12:10 – Recognizing Progress and Indicators
00:14:10 – Communicating with Non-Progressing Individuals
00:15:02 – Applying Business Principles to Church Leadership
00:16:37 – Scaling the Church and Its Impact
00:18:50 – The Gospel as a Solution
00:20:49 – Manifesting Faith in Daily Life
00:21:00 – Expressing Desires to God
00:23:30 – The Importance of Ambition
00:25:32 – Balancing Church Responsibilities
00:26:58 – Navigating Life After the Mission
00:27:09 – Engaging with Elders Quorum Leadership
00:29:04 – Focusing on One Goal in the Ward
00:30:17 – The Power of Less and Different Approaches
00:32:02 – Identifying False Requirements
00:34:15 – The Impact of One Person
00:35:04 – Onboarding Others to a Common Goal
00:37:31 – Building Unity Through Shared Goals
00:38:31 – Cultural Dynamics in Church Leadership

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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Kurt Francom, the executive director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on the challenges and responsibilities of leading a nonprofit organization within the Latter-day Saint community. He reflects on the need for support, the complexities of church culture, and the importance of individual leadership in building the Kingdom of God.



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“I’m Not the Gatekeeper, I’m the Welcoming Committee” | An Interview with Kurt Brown
Being an Advocate for Those You Lead | An Interview with Robert Ferrell
Rallying the Ward Around Sacrament Meeting | A How I Lead Interview with Ryan Webb
Getting the Youth to Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Tanner Pursley
Young Men Can Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Skylar Haws
Zion Lab: LeadingSaints.org/Zion
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

Funding Challenges: Kurt discusses the difficulties of securing funding for Leading Saints, emphasizing the need for both small and large donations to sustain the organization’s mission.

Cultural Issues in the Church: He highlights the complexities of church culture, including the struggles of church leaders and members with faith crises, LGBT issues, and the need for a supportive community.

The Role of Individual Leadership: Kurt stresses that effective leadership is crucial for fostering a positive church culture, which can help individuals navigate their faith journeys and challenges.

Transformational Experiences: He believes that rather than providing formal training, Leading Saints focuses on creating transformational experiences that empower individuals to lead and make a difference in their communities.

Call to Action: Kurt invites listeners to engage with Leading Saints through initiatives like Zion Lab and becoming Zion Builders, emphasizing the collective effort needed to build Zion.

Leadership Applications

Encouraging Community Support: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster a culture of support by actively seeking and encouraging contributions from their communities, similar to how fans rally around a sports team.

Promoting Individual Initiative: Leaders should empower members to take initiative in their callings and personal faith journeys, recognizing that everyone can contribute to building the Kingdom of God, regardless of their formal position.

Creating Transformational Opportunities: Leaders can focus on providing experiences that inspire and uplift their congregations, rather than relying solely on traditional training methods, to cultivate a more engaged and resilient community.

00:01:08 – The Journey of Leading Saints
00:02:25 – The Role of an Executive Director
00:04:14 – The Need for Funding
00:05:57 – Articulating the Problem in Church Leadership
00:07:34 – The Complexity of Church Culture
00:09:11 – The Importance of Individual Action
00:10:51 – The Law of Consecration
00:12:19 – Building Zion and Community
00:14:10 – Connection to BYU Football
00:16:20 – Community Support for Leaders
00:17:01 – The Call for Support and Funding
00:19:14 – The Role of Leading Saints in Cultural Issues
00:21:23 – Transformational Experiences and Leadership
00:23:12 – Call to Action: Join the Zion Lab
00:25:00 – Becoming a Zion Builder
00:26:25 – Sponsoring Others and Seeking Larger Donors
00:29:11 – The Impact of Positive Culture in the Church

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

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This podcast episode features part of a Zion Lab live stream conversation with a group of ward and stake leaders discussing the purpose and execution of ward conferences. The conversation emphasizes the need for meaningful engagement and feedback from members to enhance the effectiveness of these conferences.



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General Handbook 29.2.3 Ward Conference
Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community

Highlights

04:26 – Overcoming Traditional Approaches
06:08 – Gathering Feedback from Members
08:21 – Creating Meaningful Experiences
10:00 – Handbook Guidelines for Ward Conferences
12:45 – Shifting Focus from Burden to Blessing
14:09 – Unique Approaches to Ward Conferences
15:37 – Scheduling Ward Conferences Effectively
18:21 – Addressing Local Needs vs. Stake Focus
20:01 – The Purpose of Ward Conferences
24:40 – The Distance Between Stake and Ward
26:01 – Building Positive Stake-Ward Relationships

Key Insights

Purpose of Ward Conferences: Leaders reflect on the importance of ward conferences as a means to unify the ward, provide spiritual nourishment, and address local needs, rather than merely fulfilling a procedural requirement.

Feedback Mechanisms: The discussion highlights the necessity of gathering feedback from both leaders and general members to assess the value of ward conferences and identify areas for improvement.

Innovative Approaches: Leaders share successful strategies, such as organizing activities leading up to the conference and involving youth, to create a more engaging and meaningful experience for the congregation.

Avoiding Tradition for Tradition’s Sake: The conversation stresses the importance of not falling into the trap of maintaining outdated practices simply because “it’s always been done that way.” Leaders are encouraged to innovate and adapt based on current ward needs.

Collaboration and Council: The value of collaborative meetings among stake and ward leaders is emphasized, allowing for shared insights and collective problem-solving regarding ward needs and challenges.

Leadership Applications

Solicit Member Feedback: Leaders should actively seek input from ward members about their experiences and expectations for ward conferences, ensuring that the events are tailored to meet their needs.

Create Engaging Experiences: By planning activities and discussions that involve the entire ward community, leaders can foster a sense of belonging and investment in the ward’s culture and mission.

Embrace Flexibility: Leaders are encouraged to approach ward conferences with an open mind, willing to adapt formats and themes based on the unique dynamics of their wards, rather than adhering strictly to traditional methods.

The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit Leading Saints’ mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the Zion Lab community. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at LeadingSaints.org.

Past guests include Emily Belle Freeman, David Butler, Hank Smith, John Bytheway, Reyna and Elena Aburto, Liz Wiseman, Stephen M. R. Covey, Benjamin Hardy, Elder Alvin F. Meredith III, Julie Beck, Brad Wilcox, Jody Moore, Tony Overbay, John H. Groberg, Elaine Dalton, Tad R. Callister, Lynn G. Robbins, J. Devn Cornish, Bonnie Oscarson, Dennis B. Neuenschwander, Kirby Heyborne, Taysom Hill, Coaches Jennifer Rockwood and Brandon Doman, Anthony Sweat, John Hilton III, Barbara Morgan Gardner, Blair Hodges, Whitney Johnson, Ryan Gottfredson, Greg McKeown, Ganel-Lyn Condie, Michael Goodman, Wendy Ulrich, Richard Ostler, and many more in over 800 episodes.

Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings such as the bishopric, Relief Society, elders quorum, Primary, youth leadership, stake leadership, ward mission, ward council, young adults, ministering, and teaching.