Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

Don McDonald

Simple, sensible advice of making, saving, investing, and protecting your money.

  • 31 minutes 59 seconds
    Future Jobs

    This episode begins with a look at the changing career landscape as AI and automation reshape white-collar work. Don and Tom discuss a Wall Street Journal piece suggesting that some workers—and especially young people deciding on careers—may want to reconsider the trades and other blue-collar paths where demand and wages are rising. They explore shortages in skilled labor, the value of transferable business skills, and the importance of knowing yourself when choosing a career. Listener questions then cover whether Robinhood’s transfer bonuses make the platform worth considering, the realities of starting a second career as a financial advisor later in life, and whether switching from the Avantis Global Equity ETF (AVGE) to the more value-tilted AVGV makes sense inside an IRA.

    0:04 Why today’s topic isn’t investing but earning money—rethinking career paths in the age of AI

    1:15 White-collar layoffs and stagnant wages: why some workers may reconsider the trades

    2:32 Labor shortages in skilled jobs and the surprising opportunities in service and technical roles

    3:31 Don’s brief career as a car dealership service advisor—and learning to drive a stick shift the hard way

    6:46 Apprenticeships, pay potential, and career ladders in skilled trades

    9:05 Blue-collar employment rising among younger workers

    9:47 Massive labor shortages: factory workers, construction workers, and auto technicians

    11:35 Pensions today—why unions still offer them while many corporations no longer do

    13:04 Career wandering in your twenties and discovering the right path

    14:23 Listener Mike: Is Robinhood okay if you ignore the gambling features and just invest?

    17:23 Listener Dominic: Starting a second career as a financial planner at age 55

    19:14 Why great advisors succeed because of people skills—not investment knowledge

    21:03 Will AI reduce the number of financial advisors needed?

    23:18 Listener Angela: Switching from AVGE to AVGV inside an IRA

    24:47 Risk differences between global equity and global value portfolios

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    9 March 2026, 4:00 pm
  • 27 minutes 54 seconds
    More Questions!

    This Friday Q&A episode tackles several thoughtful listener questions covering 401(k) investment choices, Roth conversion strategies, bond market fears, inherited IRA planning, and investment club mechanics. Don explains why opaque collective investment trusts and “cycle” funds often hide market-timing strategies, cautions against making large Roth conversions based on predictions about future tax rates, and reassures investors worried about inflation and national debt that markets already incorporate widely known risks. The episode closes with a practical endorsement of a listener’s strategy to gradually withdraw from an inherited IRA to fund Roth contributions, emphasizing simplicity, discipline, and avoiding emotionally driven portfolio decisions.

    0:04 Don realizes the intro still says “radio” even though the show is now mostly a podcast.

    0:26 Friday Q&A format explained and reminder to submit questions at TalkingRealMoney.com.

    1:00 Question 1: 33-year-old with $330k in a 401(k) invested in opaque “intermediate cycle” and wealth-preservation funds.

    2:26 Don explains collective investment trusts (CITs) and why their lack of transparency is problematic.

    5:25 Market-timing strategies disguised as “cycle” funds and why simple equity funds may be better.

    6:47 Question 2: Listener corrects earlier discussion about transferring securities from investment clubs.

    8:37 How in-kind transfers can avoid capital gains when leaving an investment club—depending on club rules and brokerage policies.

    10:31 Question 3: Complex Roth conversion strategy involving IRMAA tiers and future tax assumptions.

    14:31 Don warns against making large conversions based on predictions about future tax rates.

    16:07 Why gradual conversions preserve flexibility compared with large upfront tax bets.

    17:28 Question 4: Concern about national debt and whether to replace BND with VTIP (TIPS).

    18:56 Don argues markets already price known risks like debt and inflation expectations.

    20:11 How TIPS work and when they actually help investors.

    21:46 Reminder that emotional reactions to economic fears often lead to bad portfolio decisions.

    22:10 Question 5: Using withdrawals from an inherited IRA to fund Roth IRA contributions.

    22:52 Strategy: withdraw gradually to fund Roth contributions while staying within tax brackets.

    24:15 Don endorses the plan as simple, tax-efficient, and compliant with the 10-year inherited IRA rule.

    25:09 Closing comments and reminder to submit questions.

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    6 March 2026, 5:00 pm
  • 28 minutes 39 seconds
    Free Money?

    AI hype is colliding with financial reality. Don and Tom examine Elon Musk’s suggestion that artificial intelligence could create such abundance that retirement savings might become unnecessary. They unpack the economics behind universal basic income, including the staggering cost—even a modest payment would require trillions in new revenue—and explain why most Americans aren’t betting their futures on Silicon Valley promises. The episode also answers listener questions about confusing target-date fund holdings, what to do with an overfunded 529 plan, and how to reduce taxable investment distributions by placing assets in the right accounts. Along the way they revisit lessons from past technological revolutions, discuss the importance of work beyond income, and continue their campaign against the scourge of gas-powered leaf blowers.

    0:04 AI panic and Elon Musk’s claim that AI could make retirement savings unnecessary.

    1:52 Musk’s vision of AI-driven abundance and universal income replacing traditional retirement planning.

    3:36 The practical question: who actually pays for universal income checks?

    5:30 Historical tax rates in the 1960s vs. today’s marginal tax structure.

    6:21 Survey shows 94% of readers still plan to save despite AI predictions.

    7:17 Boston College researchers warn Musk’s comments send a dangerous retirement message.

    8:23 Why universal basic income would require major government policy and taxes.

    8:45 Past technology revolutions didn’t distribute wealth evenly.

    9:27 Why humans need work for purpose, not just income.

    10:33 The math problem: even $1,000/month UBI would require about $3.1 trillion annually.

    11:54 Historical comparison to the Luddite era and displaced workers.

    13:18 Listener question: What “short-term debt and net other assets” mean in a Fidelity target-date fund.

    17:38 Listener question: Overfunding a 529 plan and potential Roth rollover strategies.

    20:45 Listener question: Using Vanguard Tax-Managed Balanced Fund to reduce taxable distributions.

    23:28 Asset location strategy: placing bonds in IRAs and stocks in taxable accounts.

    24:49 Where to easily find mutual fund returns using Morningstar.

    25:46 Tom’s Scottsdale advisory meetings announcement.

    26:45 The crusade against gas-powered leaf blowers.

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    5 March 2026, 5:00 pm
  • 44 minutes 55 seconds
    Teach Real Investing

    Financial education is expanding nationwide—but much of it is still teaching speculation instead of investing. Don and Tom critique stock-picking contests, flawed risk frameworks, and misleading “active vs. passive” framing, while arguing for evidence-based investing and early Roth contributions as the true foundations of financial literacy. They break down the compounding power of a 529-to-Roth strategy, address custodial transaction fees when selling mutual funds, caution against performance chasing in emerging markets after a major rally, and help a caller navigate moving an elderly parent’s CD out of a low-yield bank account. The through-line: education is powerful—but only if it’s grounded in reality.

    0:04 Financial education expanding nationwide—but stock-picking contests still dominate curricula.

    2:14 Why stock games teach trading, not investing. Own the market instead.

    3:32 Federal Reserve curriculum critique—risk scales and “active vs passive” framing.

    6:10 Teach teenagers Roth IRAs early. Time is the superpower.

    7:36 Questionable risk ratings—growth stocks equated with collectibles.

    9:17 Efficient Market Hypothesis in plain English—luck vs insider info.

    10:45 529 plans and Roth rollovers—$35K opportunity.

    11:37 Compounding example—$35K to nearly $2M tax-free over 40+ years.

    15:43 Withdrawing from a Vanguard target-date fund—costs and custodian fees.

    20:07 Performance chasing—emerging markets surge after tariff ruling.

    23:13 South Korea’s role and Avantis outperformance.

    28:40 Helping an elderly parent move a $200K CD—avoid automatic rollovers.

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    4 March 2026, 5:00 pm
  • 44 minutes 52 seconds
    With the Cost?

    Don and Tom revisit the eternal temptation to beat the market, dismantling the appeal of equal-weight indexes and active management claims by highlighting implementation costs, tax drag, and decades of underperformance data. They explain why diversification isn’t about bragging rights but smoother returns and disciplined risk management. Callers tackle portfolio rebalancing for a multimillion-dollar account (with a strong case made for elegant simplicity), sibling stock-picking rivalries, and small-business 401(k) options

    0:04 Beating the market. Four decades of “sure things” that weren’t.

    2:44 Equal-weight vs. cap-weight. Smart idea… until costs show up.

    4:58 Why diversify beyond the S&P 500. Smooth ride over bragging rights.

    6:03 Theory vs. reality. Execution costs ruin beautiful strategies.

    7:30 Active managers as “teammates.” The SPIVA reality check.

    15:43 Small-business 401(k)s. More options, Vanguard pricing breakdown.

    20:59 Caller Dan: Rebalancing a $3M portfolio. Simplicity wins.

    28:33 Caller Glenn: “My brother beats the market.” Luck vs. skill.

    33:56 Caller Dale: Virtual access and post-event recordings.

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    3 March 2026, 5:57 pm
  • 32 minutes 34 seconds
    Funds or Ladders?

    This episode dives into the surprisingly emotional world of fixed income investing, exploring whether traditional bond funds like BND still make sense or if newer laddered bond ETFs offer a psychological edge by returning principal at a set maturity date. Don and Tom unpack how these ETFs compare to CD ladders, why capital gains should never be expected from bonds, and how investor psychology often drives the preference for “certainty.” They also congratulate Dimensional Fund Advisors on reaching $1 trillion in assets, discuss whether laddering target-date funds makes planning easier or just more complicated, and answer listener questions about transferring accounts from Morgan Stanley to Vanguard and managing tax consequences along the way.

    0:04 Bonds vs. crypto — why fixed income feels boring but matters

    1:02 Why bonds exist in portfolios (stability, income, not growth)

    2:18 Introduction to laddered bond ETFs (Invesco, iShares, Vanguard)

    3:51 Bond returns in 2025 and the “don’t expect capital gains” rule

    5:03 The psychological problem with bond funds (they never mature)

    6:54 How target-maturity bond ETFs differ from traditional bond funds

    11:28 Yield comparisons across laddered maturities vs. BND

    13:14 When laddered ETFs might make sense (income timing, certainty)

    15:09 Dimensional Fund Advisors reaches $1 trillion in assets

    19:57 Listener: Laddering target-date funds instead of bonds

    23:19 Listener: Transferring IRA and taxable accounts to Vanguard

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    2 March 2026, 5:16 pm
  • 25 minutes 56 seconds
    More Qs reQuired

    On this Friday Q&A episode, Don answers listener questions on international stock overweighting inside a Seattle city retirement plan, whether a Vanguard target-date fund might be a smarter emotional guardrail than self-managing allocations, how much term life insurance a family really needs (hint: it’s about replacing income, not funding Ivy League dreams), whether an aggressively small-value–tilted Avantis portfolio is too risky for a disabled early retiree, and how to evaluate a $36,000 pension annuity versus a $500,000 lump sum using withdrawal math instead of Monte Carlo optimism. The recurring theme: feelings aren’t an edge, discipline beats prediction, and structure matters more than conviction.

    0:09 Fewer recorded questions lately and how to submit them

    1:41 Seattle city employee overweighted in international stocks

    3:36 Why “historic pivots” and gut feelings aren’t an investing edge

    4:50 Target-date fund vs. self-built allocation

    7:27 Using small-cap/value funds alongside a target-date fund

    9:15 Risk tolerance vs. emotional market timing

    10:53 How much term life insurance is enough?

    12:35 Replacing income vs. funding lifestyle extras

    12:44 Aggressive Avantis (AVGV/AVGE/AVNV/DFAW) portfolio review

    15:50 What happens if your portfolio drops 50%?

    17:10 Pension choice: $36k annuity vs. $500k lump sum

    21:29 The 41-year math on the lump-sum difference

    22:52 Why lump sum often makes you the “insurance company”

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    2 March 2026, 4:46 pm
  • 31 minutes 36 seconds
    Slicing Fees

    Vanguard slashes fees again, pushing its average expense ratio down to six basis points. Don and Tom contrast that with outrageously expensive ETFs charging 2% to 14% annually, walk through why evidence-based factor funds cost a bit more than pure index funds, answer listener questions about international tilts and fund-of-funds rebalancing, and clarify why diversification across assets still matters more than fee-chasing alone.

    0:04 Vanguard cuts fees again — average expense ratio now 0.06%

    3:43 What expense ratios really are (and how many investors unknowingly overpay)

    5:00 The shockers: ETFs charging 2% to 14% annually

    11:13 Comparing Vanguard index costs vs. Avantis and Dimensional factor funds

    14:41 Why anything above ~0.35% for passive/rules-based investing is likely too much

    16:03 The “Militia” ETF: 14% fee, poker background, no real track record

    19:46 Listener: Increasing international exposure inside IRA/Roth

    21:35 Clarifying fund-of-funds vs. multiple funds for rebalancing

    23:18 Why Avantis and Dimensional include mid-cap, REITs, and bonds

    27:25 Evidence-based investing isn’t just about returns — it’s about correlation and volatility control

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    26 February 2026, 6:51 pm
  • 45 minutes
    It's One Portfolio

    This episode focuses on smart portfolio construction across multiple accounts, using AVGV to complement limited 401(k) options, and why allocation should be viewed holistically. A caller debates stretching into a later target-date fund, prompting a discussion about risk versus actual retirement need. Crypto is challenged as speculation rather than investment. Dividend strategies and bond placement inside Roth IRAs are examined. A muni bond question reinforces the value of patience. The show closes with a humorous but pointed critique of the UFO ETF and broader thematic fund hype.

    0:04 AVGE vs. AVGV — why adding global value can offset a 401(k)’s large-cap bias

    5:02 Think one portfolio — asset allocation should span every account

    8:18 2045 vs. 2060 target-date funds — only take the risk you actually need

    11:20 Crypto challenge — utility, politics, and “I’m up” aren’t investment theses

    14:48 SCHD in a Roth — dividend chasing and why bonds usually don’t belong there

    18:54 Roth contribution ideas — avoid overlap, consider value exposure

    20:11 Selling an individual muni — bid/ask spreads and the case for just holding

    26:50 The UFO ETF — defense stocks wrapped in alien hype

    31:01 $800B in thematic ETFs — headlines aren’t a strategy

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    25 February 2026, 6:19 pm
  • 44 minutes 53 seconds
    Rules of Thumb

    This episode moves from the origin of “rule of thumb” to why most investing rules of thumb don’t work for real people. Tom and Don explore a Yale professor’s personalized allocation model, walk through tax-smart strategies for funding a child’s car while managing Roth conversions and capital gains, warn about liquidity risks in private credit after restrictions at Blue Owl Capital, explain how to structure IRA withdrawals through disciplined rebalancing, and close by addressing market-timing anxiety for retirees sitting heavily in cash. The through-line: simple rules are comforting, but thoughtful planning beats shortcuts every time.

    0:04 What “rule of thumb” really means and why investing is full of them

    2:17 60/40, 100-minus-age, and why simple formulas fall short

    3:16 Yale professor James Choi’s personalized allocation formula

    4:35 Why a 25-year-old probably should be nearly 100% in stocks

    6:25 Spreadsheets vs. real-world investors

    9:39 Portugal caller: funding a daughter’s car purchase tax-efficiently

    13:28 Roth conversions, 12% bracket strategy, and zero capital gains planning

    16:46 Rebalancing opportunity: selling VTI vs. Schwab Intelligent Portfolio

    19:16 Private credit warning: liquidity restrictions at Blue Owl Capital

    23:45 The illusion of “safe” high returns in private lending

    26:53 IRA withdrawal strategy: sell winners when rebalancing

    29:35 Annual vs. monthly withdrawal discipline

    31:34 60/40 vs. 70/30 — how much difference really matters

    33:32 Retirement income simplification: fewer funds, easier rebalancing

    34:48 Seattle caller: $1.45M in money market and market-timing temptation

    36:18 Why market timing fails and when an advisor earns their keep

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    24 February 2026, 7:47 pm
  • 30 minutes 31 seconds
    Extra Income?

    Don and Tom examine Kiplinger’s list of top retirement side gigs and separate practical ideas from pipe dreams, questioning whether executive coaching, IT consulting, online reselling, and landlord life truly offer “passive” or realistic income. They highlight more viable options like tutoring, handyman work, and tour guiding while emphasizing purpose over paycheck. Listener questions cover the risks of private credit and alternative investments, plus smart strategies for consolidating multiple 401(k) accounts without triggering unintended tax consequences.

    0:04 Old guys still podcasting intro

    1:38 Kiplinger’s retiree side-gig list

    3:26 Executive coaching reality check

    4:40 AI and tech consulting skepticism

    6:32 Consulting and client ego problems

    7:53 AI vs. content writers

    9:06 Bookkeeping for small businesses

    9:29 Online selling isn’t easy money

    11:19 Tutoring as a steady option

    12:17 Handyman work pays well

    13:44 Tour guide opportunities

    14:17 Landlord myth of “passive” income

    16:00 Where to find side gigs

    16:47 Bridge jobs for healthcare

    17:08 Purpose-driven retirement

    19:14 Private credit and alternative risks

    23:46 Consolidating multiple 401(k)s

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    23 February 2026, 5:34 pm
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