If you’ve ever wondered how to choose between Flutter and Kotlin Multiplatform—or what it’s like to use both in real-world production apps—this special double-length episode is your definitive guide. Google Developer Experts Roman Jaquez and Kevin Moore join us to unpack the realities of cross-platform mobile development. From cutting-edge healthcare apps to Bluetooth integrations and developer best practices, Roman and Kevin share deep insights, honest comparisons, and tips for mastering multi-platform dev in 2025.

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Show Notes

Join Jenn and Dru for a deep dive into the world of cross-platform development with two expert guests: Roman Jaquez and Kevin Moore. From architecture to animations, this episode explores the strengths, trade-offs, and future of Flutter and Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP). The conversation also covers practical advice for testing, performance, state management, and how to future-proof your skills as a mobile developer.

Highlights from this episode:

• How Flutter and Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP) compare in real-world app development—including where each shines.
• Roman’s journey bringing Flutter into a large healthcare organization and the productivity gains that followed.
• Kevin’s experience building cross-platform apps with Flutter and integrating native Bluetooth code through plugins.
• Best practices for managing app architecture, UI consistency, and platform-specific code in Flutter and KMP.
• State management options like Provider, Riverpod, and Bloc—when to use them and what to watch out for.
• Tools and techniques for performance optimization, testing, and debugging across platforms.
• Roman and Kevin’s thoughts on the future of mobile development—from hot reload to AI-driven coding tools.

Mentioned in This Episode

• Kevin’s New Book: Kotlin Multiplatform by Tutorials – A Book about Kotlin Multiplatform.
• Kevin’s Book Mastering Flutter: Learn to develop Flutter apps for iOS, Android, desktop and web.
• Flutter — Google’s UI toolkit for building natively compiled apps from a single codebase.
• Kotlin Multiplatform — JetBrains’ solution for sharing code across mobile, web, and more.
• pub.dev — Find Flutter plugins and packages.
• Rive — A powerful tool for designing and integrating interactive animations in Flutter apps.
• Firebase Test Lab — Run automated tests across a range of devices in the cloud.
• FlutterTap Newsletter – See all the latest news about Flutter and Dart.
• Code with Andrea Newsletter – Learn Dart, Flutter and Firebase.
• Widget Tricks Newsletter – A Flutter newsletter to share tips and tricks.

Contact Kevin, Roman & the Hosts

• Find Kevin on LinkedIn, Bluesky and X.
• Find Roman everywhere:
  • LinkedIn
  • X
  • BlueSky
  • YouTube
• Jenn on LinkedIn
• Dru on Mastodon.
• Email the Podcast Team.

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

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If you’ve ever grumbled at boilerplate code or watched your Kotlin build crawl, this episode is your shortcut to sanity. Android engineer and Kodeco veteran Dean Djermanović joins us to break down Kotlin Symbol Processing (KSP) — a powerful tool for clean code and fast builds. Whether you’re new to KSP or curious how it stacks up against kapt, Dean brings real-world insights, practical tips, and an inspiring journey from coder to conference speaker. Tune in to learn why KSP might just be your new favorite dev tool.

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Show Notes

Join Jenn and Dru as they chat with Android engineer and Kodeco contributor Dean Djermanović about Kotlin Symbol Processing (KSP). Whether you’re curious about speeding up your Kotlin builds or tired of repetitive boilerplate, KSP might be the tool you didn’t know you needed. Dean walks us through how it works, when to use it, and how he’s applied it to real-world projects.

Highlights from this episode:

• What Kotlin Symbol Processing (KSP) is and how it helps Kotlin developers generate code more efficiently.
• The differences between KSP and kapt—and why KSP is now the preferred approach.
• A step-by-step walkthrough of building a simple KSP processor.
• How Dean used KSP in production to automate mapper class generation and reduce manual updates.
• Tips for learning KSP, avoiding common pitfalls, and integrating it smoothly into your projects.

Mentioned in This Episode

• Kodeco’s Kotlin Symbol Processing Tutorial — Learn how to get rid of the boilerplate code within your app by using Kotlin Symbol Processor (KSP) to generate a class for creating Fragments.
• DroidCon — Conferences where Dean has presented KSP use cases in real-world apps.
• Kotlin Slack — Look for the #ksp channel to connect with the KSP team and other devs using it.
• Fuel your brain and body with Eggs in a Basket.

Contact Dean and the Hosts

• Find Dean on LinkedIn and Bluesky.
• Jenn on LinkedIn
• Dru on Mastodon.
• Email the Podcast Team.

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

We hope you enjoyed this episode of our podcast. Be sure to subscribe in Apple Podcasts or Spotify to get notified when the next episode comes out.

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Thank you for your patience as extraordinary life events turned our schedule topsy turvy. Here, at last, is our All the Conferences episode, featuring iOS community luminaries Mikalea Caron and Matt Heaney. Whether you’re a seasoned speaker or just conference-curious, this episode is packed with insights on how to choose the right events, travel smart, and even lower your costs—sometimes all the way down to zero!

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Show Notes

Join Suz and Dru as they sit down with indie iOS developer Mikaela Caron and Atomic’s new mobile engineering manager Matt Heaney. These two are not only passionate conference attendees—they’re frequent speakers, community leaders, and strong advocates for developer connection and growth. From how to break into speaking, to choosing your first conference, to eating your way through the Swift world tour, there’s something here for every dev.

Highlights from this episode:

• How submitting a CFP (Call for Proposals) could get you into conferences for free—and help launch your speaking career.
• Tips for discovering new conferences, including the magic of CocoaConferences.com.
• How to network at conferences, even if you’re introverted—and why just saying “it’s my first time” can be a superpower.

Mentioned in This Episode

• Fruitful — Mikaela’s app to stay connected with all the cool new friends you meet at conferences.
• ​CocoaConferences.com, a curated directory of English-language conferences tailored for developers working with Apple’s platforms—macOS, iOS, watchOS, and tvOS.
• iOS Conferences for Mobile Developers in 2024, dated now but many of these conferences recur annually.
• Big List of Android Conferences in 2024, as with the iOS resource above, this needs updating, but many of these conferences will hopefully be around for years to come.

Contact Matt, Mikalea, and the Hosts

• Find Matt on LinkedIn.
• Learn more about Mikaela at MikaelaCaron.com.
• Suz on Mastodon and X.
• Dru on Mastodon.
• Email the Podcast Team.

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

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In our final episode of 2024, we’re thrilled to welcome fellow podcasters Malin Sundberg and Kai Dombrowski of Triple Glazed Studios. With a decade of experience in iOS and Mac development, Malin and Kai share how they’ve built thriving indie apps, established roots in new communities worldwide, and achieved repeated App Store features. Tune in to learn actionable insights that can help you grow your indie app business too!

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Show Notes

Join Suz, Jenn, and Dru as they chat with Malin and Kai, the creative minds behind Triple Glazed Studios, to explore what it takes to run a successful indie app business. They share how they’ve combined their passion for creating great features with marketing strategies that feel natural—even for developers who’d rather code than pitch.

Highlights from this episode:

• Align your development cycles with Apple’s release calendar for maximum impact.
• Research bylines to find writers and creators who are passionate about your niche.
• Attend or host meetups to network and connect with like-minded developers (and make great friends along the way!).

Mentioned in This Episode

• Orbit time tracking and invoicing, from Triple Glazed Studios.
• Mercury Weather, also from Triple Glazed Studios. Choose Press Kit for an excellent example of how to put one of these together.
• How to get featured on the App Store (updated guidelines from Apple, new since the recording of this episode).
• Join the Core Coffee meetup, either in person or online.
• Peruse the developer documentation for Apple’s weather API, WeatherKit, and Swift Charts.

Contact Kai, Malin, and the Hosts

• Find Kai on Mastodon, Threads or X.
• Find Malin on Mastodon, Threads or X.
• Suz on Mastodon and X.
• Jenn on LinkedIn.
• Dru on Mastodon.
• Email the Podcast Team.

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

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In the first full-length episode of this season, we go back to basics as Senior iOS Dev Mani Ramezan takes us through, step by step, how to come up to speed on a large code base. Whether you’re just starting a new role or beginning to contribute to a new open source project, listen along to learn some useful tips.

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Show Notes

Tune in as Mani, Suz, Jenn and Dru start off talking about how to read a code base and venture off into a bevy of advice for newer devs. Listen all the way to the end to learn what Mani thinks human developers, even brand new ones, can do that AI that cannot.

Some highlights:

• Start with a bug, so you have a meaningful goal to guide your exploration.
• Struggling at step one: setting up the build environment? Improve the process, then document for the next dev.
• It’s OK to not know all the things. Start by treating each library as a black box. Wait to learn it until you need to.

Mentioned in This Episode

• Check out Simon B. Støvring’s Swift package to build a dependency graph.
• Learn how to make a pull request.
• Use Xcode’s View debugger to see how a code base fits together.
• GitHub Copilot, now available for Xcode, is currently Mani’s favorite AI coding assistant. Proceed with caution and do not enter proprietary code or user data.
• Come chat with us on Kodeco’s Discord, where Mani’s a moderator! We never answer tech questions with just a link — we’ll always explain!

Look at Jenn’s Debugging Buddy!

Have fun with rubber duck debugging!

Contact Mani and the Hosts

• Mani on LinkedIn
• Mani on GitHub
• Mani on Mastodon
• Suz on X/Twitter
• Jenn on LinkedIn
• Dru on Mastodon
• Email the Podcast Team

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

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Welcome to the new season for the Kodeco Podcast! Tune in to hear Suz, Jen and Dru catch up and look forward to what we’ll cover in this season, including an episode on How to Read a Codebase and the Google I/O and WWDC livecasts.

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Show Notes

Hello dear readers and listeners — hope you had a wonderful summer filled with with learning and tech and other fun stuff! We’re glad to be back with you. Listen to this brief episode to hear Suz, Jenn, and Dru discuss:

• What to look forward to this season, including an episode on How to Read Code.
• What your host and co-hosts have been up to since last season.

Note that in an attempt to strive for work-more work-life balance, this season will be audio only, with a new episode each month, um, unless we get carried away and go overboard!

Mentioned in This Episode

• Dru’s amazing indie app that you should download right now: Pagan Almanac.
• The Kodeco module that Suz just worked on as a Subject Matter Expert (SME): Writing Tools with Apple Intelligence, part of the new Improving User Experience with Apple Intelligence track.
• The Kodeco module that Jenn just worked on as an SME: Text Generation with Google Gemini (link coming soon!), part of the new Introduction to Cloud-Based AI track.
• Google Developer Group of Northern Colorado

Contact the Hosts

• Suz on X/Twitter
• Jenn on LinkedIn
• Dru on Mastodon
• Email the Podcast Team

Follow Kodeco

• Kodeco on LinkedIn
• Kodeco on X/Twitter
• Kodeco on Facebook

Where to Go From Here?

We hope you enjoyed this episode of our podcast. Be sure to subscribe in Apple Podcasts or Spotify to get notified when the next episode comes out.

Hoping to learn more about a particular aspect of mobile development or life and work as a dev? Please write in and tell us and we’ll do our best to make that happen! Write in too if you yourself would like to be a guest or your have a particular guest request and we’ll see what we can do. Drop a comment here, or email us anytime at [email protected].

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In this episode of the Kodeco podcast, hosts Dru Freeman and Susannah Skyer Gupta delve into native platforms and the implications of cross-platform development. Joined by experts Darryl Bayliss and Fuad Kamal, they discuss the sunset of Xamarin and the broader impacts on developers and companies relying on multi-platform solutions. The conversation highlights the pros and cons of cross-platform tools, with real-world examples from the guests’ extensive experience in the field.

Darryl and Fuad share valuable insights into the evolving landscape of mobile development, emphasizing the importance of staying adaptable and updated with native technologies. They touch on the challenges of hardware compatibility, performance issues, and the significance of having responsive and native-looking user interfaces. This episode serves as an informative guide for developers navigating the complexities of choosing between native and cross-platform development, while also reflecting on the future of technology and its impact on the industry.

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Show Notes

• Get Help Transitioning From Xamarin
• Microsoft Announces Xamarin Sunset
• Learn Native iOS Development With Our Self-Paced Certificate Program

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Susannah Syker Gupta on X (Twitter)
• Fuad Kamal on LinkedIn
• Darryl Bayliss on LinkedIn
• Email the Podcast Team

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In this episode of the Kodeco Podcast, hosts Dru Freeman and Jennifer Bailey dive into the topic of surviving layoffs with their guest, Joey De Villa, a seasoned developer and developer advocate who has navigated the turbulent waters of job loss five times. Joey shares his unique experiences and strategies for bouncing back, from dealing with the emotional impact to practical tips on securing new opportunities.

Tune in to hear his compelling stories, including the surprising coincidences and valuable lessons learned along the way. Whether you’re currently facing a layoff or just want to be prepared, this episode offers essential advice to help you turn a setback into a setup for success. Listen now for a candid conversation filled with wisdom, humor, and hope.

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This episode is sponsored by monday dev, which helps R&D teams manage every aspect of their software development lifecycle on a single platform. Sprints, bugs, product roadmaps — you name it. It integrates with Jira, Github, Gitlab, and Slack. Speed up your product delivery today! See it for yourself at monday.com/Kodeco.

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Show Notes

• Layoff to Liftoff: Surviving Downsizing in the Tech Industry by Joey deVilla

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Jennifer Bailey on X (Twitter)
• Joey deVilla on LinkedIn
• Email the Podcast Team

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We dig down deep as the entire podcast team is joined by Manda Frederick, formerly with Women who Code, and Aaron Douglas, head of Figma’s Desktop app engineering. We discuss the essential topics surrounding bias in the workplace.

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Show Notes

• Google Women Techmakers Program
• Uncovering Hidden Biases
• Harvard Bias Test
• Out in Tech
• So You Want to Talk About Race — Ijeoma Oluo
• We Should All Be Feminists — Chimamanda Ngoni Adichie
• NeuroTribes: The Legacy of Autism and the Future of Neurodiversity — Steve Silberman
• How to Be an Inclusive Leader — Jennifer Brown
• The Diversity and Inclusion Handbook — Sondra Thiederman
• Invisible Women: Data Bias in a World Designed for Men — Caroline Criado Perez
• Think Black: A Memoir — Clyde W. Ford

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on X (Twitter)
• Jennifer Bailey on X (Twitter)
• Manda Frederick on LinkedIn
• Aaron Douglas on X (Twitter)
• Email the Podcast Team

Where to Go From Here?

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After finding our way from XML to Jetpack Compose; Suz and Dru invite Danijela Vrzan to join them to help us see this from the iOS point of view and talk about the transition between UIKit and SwiftUI.

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Show Notes

• Danijela’s Blog
• Kodeco iOS Accelerator Bootcamp
• UIViewRepresentable: wrap a UIKit view in this in order to integrate it into a SwiftUI view
• UIHostingController: use this to include a SwiftUI view into a UIKit view hierarchy

Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Susannah Skyer Gupta on X (Twitter)
• Danijela Vrzan on X (Twitter)
• Email the Podcast Team

Where to Go From Here?

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iOSDevHappyHour Host Mikaela Caron and PhonePe employee Bhagat Singh face off to talk about the differences between being an indie developer and a corporate developer. Join Dru and Jenn for this exciting episode!

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Contact Us

• Dru Freeman on X (Twitter)
• Jennifer Bailey on X (Twitter)
• Mikaela Caron on the Internet
• Bhagat Singh on X (Twitter)
• Email the Podcast Team

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