Chance Miller returns to the show. Topics include iOS 27’s progress over summer, live baseball in Vision Pro, the RAM crisis, Apple’s trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI and io, and the EU/DMA situation.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• “Friday Night Baseball” to Begin Apple Immersive Broadcasts for Vision Pro.
• OpenAI Responds to Apple’s Lawsuit and Motion for Preliminary Injunction.
• OpenAI Files 28-Page Motion to Dismiss Apple’s Lawsuit.
• Kotoba: The Best iOS Dictionary App You’ve Never Heard Of.
• Will Hains: iOS Version History.
• Apple Newsroom in November 2022: “Update on Supply of iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max”.
• European Commission: ‘Guidance to Google for AI Interoperability on Android & Sharing of Google Search’.
• Chance’s regular podcasts: 9to5Mac Daily, and 9to5Mac Happy Hour.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Jim Metzendorf.

Louie Mantia returns to the show to talk about the state of UI and icon design on Apple's platforms, and some speculation on Apple's trade secret lawsuit against OpenAI.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• Louie on the squircle: “The Shape of Apps”.
• Me, linking to Louie on the squircle.
• Louie on Alan Dye: “A Responsibility to the Industry”.
• Me: “Bad Dye Job”.
• Me, after WWDC 2025, comparing Dye’s introduction of Liquid Glass to Steve Jobs’s introduction of Aqua back in January 2000.
• UI designer Chan Karunamuni’s tweet on Steve Lemay: “Steve’s been my manager for my entire 15 year career so far at Apple and I could not be more excited for this new era.”.
• Karunamuni’s Twitter/X account, with links regarding Liquid Glass, the Dynamic Island, and the cool Flashlight beam UI.
• Louie on The Talk Show last year.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Quinn Nelson returns to the show to discuss OpenAI’s ChatGPT/Codex “native” app migration fiasco, Siri AI in Apple’s OS 27 betas, MacOS 27 Golden Gate, and the hottest new cell phone of the year, the Trump T1.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• Quinn’s hilarious but utterly fair review of the Trump T1.
• Quinn: “Apple Just Fixed Mac Gaming and Said Nothing”.
• John Siracusa on ATP endorsing Quinn’s idea for an Apple gaming console.
• Valve founder/CEO Gabe Newell on working with Apple.
• “Stupid-Americans are the New Irish-Americans, Trump is Their JFK”, by “tarltontarlton” on Reddit (and posted here on Daring Fireball).

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

The great John Moltz returns to the show. Topics include Apple’s hardware price hikes in response to the global RAM/SSD shortage, and some spitballing on what we like about the UI changes in the MacOS 27 Golden Gate beta.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• RAM Doubler and DiskDoubler, which came from two different developers.
• StuffIt and Compact Pro.
• “Apple in China” by Patrick McGee.
• Patrick McGee on The Talk Show last year.
• “Go Computer Now!”, Ben Zotto’s book on Sphere Computer Corporation.
• Movies:
  • The Player
  • Airplane!
  • Monty Python and the Holy Grail
• "Apple Faced Bipartisan Opposition When It Last Lobbied to Buy Chinese RAM in 2022".
• Gnome, Lex Friedman's clever new animated GIF search/library utility for Mac and iOS. (Also: My link to Gnome at DF.)
• Biff! -- Moltz's fun superhero TV/movie podcast cohosted with Dan Moren and Guy English.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Jason Snell returns to the show for a look back at WWDC 2026, and a look ahead to Designed in California, his and Myke Hurley’s upcoming 50-episode Apple history podcast.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• “Designed in California” — Kickstarter campaign running through the end of June 2026 to fund Jason and Myke Hurley’s 50-episode Apple history podcast. If you don’t back this you’re not hooked up right.
• WebKit in Safari 27 changes and notes, from the WebKit blog.
• Helium — My favorite Chromium browser for the Mac. Fast, free, no bloat.
• Camino — An open source Mac-assed web browser based on the Mozilla engine from the 2000s. Last updated in 2012, but, blessedly, the website still works. When it was discontinued I described it as “like a glass of ice water on a hot day for Mac users who wanted a modern but Mac-like browser in the early years of Mac OS X.”.
• Photos of John Ternus and Tim Cook at Apple’s WWDC post-Keynote “Tech Talk”:
  • Mine.
  • Federico Viticci’s.
• Jason on BBEdit 16, the world’s greatest text editor.
• Jason, writing at Macworld, on the foundation of Apple’s OS 27 updates.
• Jason, writing at Macworld, on Mac OS X Snow Leopard back in 2009. (The update cost $29 — which we thought was cheap, because previous Mac OS X updates cost $129.)
• Boston College’s Schiller Institute for Integrated Science and Society.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose on Tuesday 9 June 2026, special guests Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel join John Gruber to discuss Apple’s announcements at WWDC 2026.

Video: This show is available to watch on YouTube.

3D video with spatial audio: Exclusively in Sandwich Vision's Theater on Vision Pro, available on the App Store.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• Apple’s WWDC keynote and State of the Union videos.
• New Things — Joanna’s new thing.
  • Joanna’s first take on Apple’s announcements.
• I Am Not a Robot — Joanna’s new bestselling book on consumer AI.
• Sandwich — the team behind the video version of this show.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Stephen Hackett returns to the show to help me make sense of a problem that is hard even to describe, let alone solve, regarding Apple One, family sharing, a separate Media & Purchasing account, and iCloud storage space. Also: what we’re expecting from WWDC 2026.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• Cross Forward — David Smith’s suite of iOS apps, where Stephen is now managing director.
• 512 Pixels.
• Connected — The weekly podcast Stephen co-hosts with Myke Hurley and Federico Viticci.
• Apple Support:
  • Migrate purchases from one Apple Account to another Apple Account.
  • What happens to your iCloud storage when you sign up for Apple One.
• Stephen’s post on the restrictions around Apple Account migration.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Adam Lisagor returns to the show to talk about Hovercraft, his new virtual presentation camera app for Mac, and how he's developing it with AI coding tools. Also, delicious Japanese spite sandwich cookies.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• Hovercraft — A virtual presentation camera for Mac.
  • Adam’s intro video, on Twitter/X.
  • Version 1.1 is already out with some cool new features.
• Theater — Sandwich Vision’s theater experience app for VisionOS.
• Television — Sandwich’s, well, television experience app.
• Cursor — Adam’s preferred coding agent.
• Birdhouse, Adam and Cameron Hunt’s “Notepad for Twitter” from 2009.
  • The Birdhouse launch video, which launched Sandwich Video.
  • Daring Fireball: Birdhouse — A Notepad for Twitter.
• Noir — Delicious Japanese spite sandwich cookies.
• Allen Pike.
  • Allen on The Talk Show, back in December 2024.
• Yojimbo.
  • The graph I generated, using AppleScript and Numbers, of the new Yojimbo items I’ve created per year.
• Canon’s XL1 digital video camera from 1998.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

MG Siegler returns to the show to discuss Apple’s announcement that Tim Cook is stepping aside (into the role of executive chairman) and John Ternus will become CEO.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• Apple Newsroom:
  • “Tim Cook to become Apple Executive Chairman; John Ternus to become Apple CEO”.
  • “Johny Srouji named Apple’s Chief Hardware Officer”.
• MG, at Spyglass:
  • “A Cook’s Tour”.
  • “John Ternus’s Magic Show”.
• Yours truly:
  • “Another Day Has Come”.
  • “Time to Serve Some Delicious Claim Chowder Regarding the Cook-Ternus CEO Transition”.
  • “The New York Times Printed the Wrong Crossword Grid Last Sunday, and I Find That Timing Serendipitous”.
• Steven Levy:
  • “Apple’s Next CEO Needs to Launch a Killer AI Product” (paywall-busting Apple News+ link).
• 2008: “Joe Nocera Gets a Call From Steve Jobs”.
• 2010, regarding Mark Papermaster, whom Steve Jobs fired just weeks after the iPhone 4 antennagate press conference: “Papermaster and That Damn Antenna.”
• “Look at how many blueberries your muffin has, and how many mine has. Yours is falling apart. I have nothing.”

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Who better to join the show to commemorate Apple’s 50th anniversary than John Siracusa?

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• The Commodore VIC-20.
• Apple’s looks-good-to-this-day “Snow White” hardware design language from the 1980s, created in collaboration with Frog Design.
• The Apple IIc — in my opinion, the epitome of “Snow White”.
• Frog Designed turned 50 back in 2019, and The Verge has some amazing photos from their collection, including a jaw-dropping prototype for the Lisa.
• Star Blazers.
• Yours truly, back in 2014, on the Finder’s “Special” menu.
• Yours truly guesting on The Verge’s Version History podcast, to talk about the original Macintosh.
• Hyperspace — Siracusa’s perfectly-named Mac utility for saving space via APFS magic.
• ATP (a pretty good podcast), and episode 683 in particular (a pretty good episode of that podcast, wherein Marco Arment tells the tale of the Mac Mini server farm he built for Overcast’s now-in-beta generated-transcripts feature).
• Infinite Mac — classic Mac (and NeXTStep) emulators that run in your web browser.
• “Can’t innovate anymore, my ass.”
• ResEdit 2.1 Reference — still hosted at Apple’s website.
• SNL’s “McIntosh Jr.” commercial, the best Apple parody ad ever made.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

Christina Warren returns to the show to discuss Apple’s big month of product announcements — in particular, the iPhone 17e and MacBook Neo. And we pour one out for the Mac Pro.

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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

Links:

• The iPhone 17e.
• Thoughts and Observations on the MacBook Neo.
• My review: The MacBook Neo.
• Apple Discontinues the Mac Pro With No Plans to Bring It Back.
• Yankees-Giants opens MLB season, on Netflix.
• Nomad 65W Slim Power Adapter.

This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.