• Get the App
  • Moon FM - The Ultimate Podcast App
  • Get the App
The Talk Show With John Gruber

The Talk Show With John Gruber

Daring Fireball / John Gruber

The director’s commentary track for Daring Fireball. Long digressions on Apple, technology, design, movies, and more.

  • 1 hour 50 minutes
    448: ‘Twins Named John’, With Stephen Hackett

    Stephen Hackett returns to the show to help me make sense of a problem that is hard even to describe, let alone solve, regarding Apple One, family sharing, a separate Media & Purchasing account, and iCloud storage space. Also: what we’re expecting from WWDC 2026.

    Sponsored by:

    • Notion: Try the powerful, all-in-one Notion AI today.
    • Factor: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your first box, plus free daily greens, with code talkshow50off.
    • Even Realities: Even G2, the everyday display smart glasses. Use promo code talkshow to save 10% off the R1 Ring and/or Even Clip.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code TALKSHOW.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • Cross Forward — David Smith’s suite of iOS apps, where Stephen is now managing director.
    • 512 Pixels.
    • Connected — The weekly podcast Stephen co-hosts with Myke Hurley and Federico Viticci.
    • Apple Support:
      • Migrate purchases from one Apple Account to another Apple Account.
      • What happens to your iCloud storage when you sign up for Apple One.
    • Stephen’s post on the restrictions around Apple Account migration.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    1 June 2026, 2:42 am
  • 2 hours 15 minutes
    447: ‘A Sociopathic Father’, With Adam Lisagor

    Adam Lisagor returns to the show to talk about Hovercraft, his new virtual presentation camera app for Mac, and how he's developing it with AI coding tools. Also, delicious Japanese spite sandwich cookies.

    Sponsored by:

    • Parcel: Track your packages in one place, with native apps for iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and Mac.
    • Scribe: Instantly capture and optimize workflows so your teams and AI agents do their best work.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code TALKSHOW.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • Hovercraft — A virtual presentation camera for Mac.
      • Adam’s intro video, on Twitter/X.
      • Version 1.1 is already out with some cool new features.
    • Theater — Sandwich Vision’s theater experience app for VisionOS.
    • Television — Sandwich’s, well, television experience app.
    • Cursor — Adam’s preferred coding agent.
    • Birdhouse, Adam and Cameron Hunt’s “Notepad for Twitter” from 2009.
      • The Birdhouse launch video, which launched Sandwich Video.
      • Daring Fireball: Birdhouse — A Notepad for Twitter.
    • Noir — Delicious Japanese spite sandwich cookies.
    • Allen Pike.
      • Allen on The Talk Show, back in December 2024.
    • Yojimbo.
      • The graph I generated, using AppleScript and Numbers, of the new Yojimbo items I’ve created per year.
    • Canon’s XL1 digital video camera from 1998.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    16 May 2026, 1:06 am
  • 2 hours 46 minutes
    446: ‘Food and Beverage Director’, With MG Siegler

    MG Siegler returns to the show to discuss Apple’s announcement that Tim Cook is stepping aside (into the role of executive chairman) and John Ternus will become CEO.

    Sponsored by:

    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code TALKSHOW.
    • Drafts: The Swiss Army knife for text on all your Apple devices. Act now to get your first year of Drafts Pro for 50% off.
    • Finalist: A daily planner for iPhone, iPad and Mac, built on proven paper-based planning methods. Use this link to get six months free.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • Apple Newsroom:
      • “Tim Cook to become Apple Executive Chairman; John Ternus to become Apple CEO”.
      • “Johny Srouji named Apple’s Chief Hardware Officer”.
    • MG, at Spyglass:
      • “A Cook’s Tour”.
      • “John Ternus’s Magic Show”.
    • Yours truly:
      • “Another Day Has Come”.
      • “Time to Serve Some Delicious Claim Chowder Regarding the Cook-Ternus CEO Transition”.
      • “The New York Times Printed the Wrong Crossword Grid Last Sunday, and I Find That Timing Serendipitous”.
    • Steven Levy:
      • “Apple’s Next CEO Needs to Launch a Killer AI Product” (paywall-busting Apple News+ link).
    • 2008: “Joe Nocera Gets a Call From Steve Jobs”.
    • 2010, regarding Mark Papermaster, whom Steve Jobs fired just weeks after the iPhone 4 antennagate press conference: “Papermaster and That Damn Antenna.”
    • “Look at how many blueberries your muffin has, and how many mine has. Yours is falling apart. I have nothing.”

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    1 May 2026, 1:51 am
  • 2 hours 34 minutes
    445: ‘Apple at 50’, With John Siracusa

    Who better to join the show to commemorate Apple’s 50th anniversary than John Siracusa?

    Sponsored by:

    • Sentry: A real-time error monitoring and tracing platform. Use code TALKSHOW for $80 in free credits.
    • Notion: The AI workspace where teams and AI agents get more done together.
    • Factor: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your first box, plus free breakfast for 1 year, with code talkshow50off.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code TALKSHOW.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • The Commodore VIC-20.
    • Apple’s looks-good-to-this-day “Snow White” hardware design language from the 1980s, created in collaboration with Frog Design.
    • The Apple IIc — in my opinion, the epitome of “Snow White”.
    • Frog Designed turned 50 back in 2019, and The Verge has some amazing photos from their collection, including a jaw-dropping prototype for the Lisa.
    • Star Blazers.
    • Yours truly, back in 2014, on the Finder’s “Special” menu.
    • Yours truly guesting on The Verge’s Version History podcast, to talk about the original Macintosh.
    • Hyperspace — Siracusa’s perfectly-named Mac utility for saving space via APFS magic.
    • ATP (a pretty good podcast), and episode 683 in particular (a pretty good episode of that podcast, wherein Marco Arment tells the tale of the Mac Mini server farm he built for Overcast’s now-in-beta generated-transcripts feature).
    • Infinite Mac — classic Mac (and NeXTStep) emulators that run in your web browser.
    • “Can’t innovate anymore, my ass.”
    • ResEdit 2.1 Reference — still hosted at Apple’s website.
    • SNL’s “McIntosh Jr.” commercial, the best Apple parody ad ever made.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    1 April 2026, 10:58 pm
  • 1 hour 37 minutes
    444: ‘You’re Going to Have the Niggles’, With Christina Warren

    Christina Warren returns to the show to discuss Apple’s big month of product announcements — in particular, the iPhone 17e and MacBook Neo. And we pour one out for the Mac Pro.

    Sponsored by:

    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code TALKSHOW.
    • Sentry: A real-time error monitoring and tracing platform. Use code TALKSHOW for $80 in free credits.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • The iPhone 17e.
    • Thoughts and Observations on the MacBook Neo.
    • My review: The MacBook Neo.
    • Apple Discontinues the Mac Pro With No Plans to Bring It Back.
    • Yankees-Giants opens MLB season, on Netflix.
    • Nomad 65W Slim Power Adapter.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    29 March 2026, 7:25 pm
  • 1 hour 25 minutes
    443: ‘The Pogue Feature’, With David Pogue

    Special guest David Pogue discusses his excellent and amazingly comprehensive new book, Apple: The First 50 Years.

    Sponsored by:

    • Notion: The AI workspace where teams and AI agents get more done together.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow.
    • Factor: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your first box, plus free breakfast for 1 year, with code talkshow50off.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • “Apple: The First 50 Years” official website.
      • Hardcover:
        • Amazon
        • Bookshop.org
      • E-book:
        • Kindle
        • Apple Books
    • Photo of Sculley and the other white dude in suits on his executive team, circa 1993, from page 251. (My son Jonas quipped that they look like the executives from the company that made Robocop.)
    • The “Apple at 50” event David hosted at the Computer History Museum earlier this month.
    • The similar event David hosted two years ago, to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Macintosh.
    • Matt Neuberg, back in 1998 (!), reviewing Conflict Catcher for TidBITS, with mention of the user manual.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    18 March 2026, 9:53 pm
  • 2 hours 16 minutes
    442: ‘Bad Dates’, With Jason Snell

    Jason Snell returns to the show to discuss the 2025 Six Colors Apple Report Card, MacOS 26 Tahoe, Apple Creator Studio, along with what we expect/hope for in next week’s Apple product announcements.

    Sponsored by:

    • Notion: The AI workspace where teams and AI agents get more done together.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow.
    • Sentry: A real-time error monitoring and tracing platform. Use code TALKSHOW for $80 in free credits.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • Apple in 2025: The Six Colors Report Card.
    • Kieran Healy, in a post at Six Colors published after we recorded the show: “Charting the Vibes in the 2025 Apple Report Card”.
    • Kieran Healy’s homepage/weblog.
    • My 2025 Apple Report Card.
    • Upgrade: “The Shifting Sands of Liquid Glass”, wherein Jason and Myke discuss this year’s report card, and Jason makes rascally comments supporting MacOS 26 Tahoe. (And Myke isn’t much better.)
    • Apple’s July 2025 announcement of the Apple Manufacturing Academy in Detroit.
    • Derek Sivers, in 2005: “Ideas Are Just a Multiplier of Execution”.
    • ChangeTheHeaders — a Safari extension I convinced Jeff Johnson to build, which, among other things, allows me never to be served WebP images in lieu of PNG or JPEG.
      • StopTheMadness — the older sibling, companion Safari Extension to ChangeTheHeaders that gives you explicit control over all sorts of web features, on a per-website basis. (I conflated the two during the show.)
    • WebP.
    • Mac Launchers:
      • LaunchBar (my favorite, and until Tahoe, Jason’s too).
      • Alfred.
      • Raycast.
      • Tuna.
      • Quicksilver.
    • Incomplete list of what’s wrong with MacOS 26 Tahoe:
      • Terrible app icons.
      • The terrible idea to include inscrutable, inconsistent icons next to just about every menu item in every app, as documented by Jim Nielsen and Nikita Prokopov, and linked to by yours truly here and here, respectively.
      • Norbert Heger: “The Struggle of Resizing Windows on macOS Tahoe” — and a follow-up.
      • Daring Fireball: “Why It’s Difficult to Resize Windows on MacOS 26 Dyehoe”.
      • Daring Fireball: “Bad Dye Job”.
    • Stephen Hackett’s MacOS Screenshot Library at 512 Pixels.
    • Steve Krug’s classic book, “Don’t Make Me Think”.
    • The Appearance Manager and the themes that never actually shipped for classic Mac OS.
    • Comparing Alan Dye’s horseshitty introduction of Liquid Glass at WWDC 2025 to Steve Jobs’s introduction of Aqua back in 2000.
    • Manu Cornet’s 2011 classic: “Organizational Charts In Major Tech”.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    1 March 2026, 1:09 am
  • 2 hours 10 minutes
    441: ‘Serious Opinionators’, With Adam Engst

    Adam Engst returns to the show to talk, in detail, about certain of the UI changes in iOS 26 and Apple's version 26 OSes overall. In particular, the new Unified view in the Phone app, and the Filter pop-up menu in both the Phone and Messages apps. Also: a shoutout to Balloon Help.

    Sponsored by:

    • Sentry: A real-time error monitoring and tracing platform. Use code TALKSHOW for $80 in free credits.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow.
    • Factor: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your first box, plus free breakfast for 1 year, with code talkshow50off.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • Adam’s two pieces on the Classic and Unified views in the iOS 26 Phone app:
      • “Hidden Setting Controls What Happens When You Tap a Call in the Phone App”.
      • “Comparing the Classic and Unified Views in iOS 26’s Phone App”.
      • My link post, with some commentary.
    • Reader support for TidBITS in 2026.
    • Brent Simmons, linking to code, on how to eliminate all the menu item icons in a Mac app built for MacOS 26 Tahoe.
    • Paul Kafasis’s One Foot Tsunami.
    • Nikita Prokopov: “It’s Hard to Justify Tahoe (Menu Bar) Icons”.
      • Yours truly, linking to Prokopov: “A shitty idea that works against usability, inconsistently implemented, all in the name of adding some ugly visual bling to the UI.”
    • Jim Nielsen on Tahoe’s menu-item icons: “Icons in Menus Everywhere — Send Help”.
      • Yours truly, linking to Nielsen: “Well, who’s laughing now?”
    • Norbert Heger: “The Struggle of Resizing Windows on macOS Tahoe” — and a follow-up.
    • Daring Fireball: “Why It’s Difficult to Resize Windows on MacOS 26 Dyehoe”.
    • Daring Fireball: “Bad Dye Job”.
    • Episode sponsor Sentry’s two-minute video showing how to use Seer, their AI debugging agent.
    • TipKit Apple Developer documentation.
    • Balloon Help in System 7.
    • David Pogue’s soon-to-be-released book: “Apple: The First 50 Years”.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    25 February 2026, 9:13 pm
  • 2 hours 6 minutes
    440: ‘Flush a Radar’, With Brent Simmons

    Brent Simmons returns to the show. Topics include NetNewsWire 7, MacOS 26 Tahoe, and I guess, some other stuff.

    Sponsored by:

    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow.
    • Sentry: A real-time error monitoring and tracing platform. Use code TALKSHOW for $80 in free credits.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • NetNewsWire 7.
    • How to omit menu item icons on Tahoe.
    • Rogue Amoeba, on omitting those icons.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    1 February 2026, 2:52 am
  • 1 hour 59 minutes
    439: ‘A Mitigated Disaster’, With Daniel Jalkut

    Daniel Jalkut returns to the show so we can both vent about MacOS 26 Tahoe.

    Sponsored by:

    • Notion: The AI workspace where teams and AI agents get more done together.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow.
    • Sentry: A real-time error monitoring and tracing platform. Use code TALKSHOW for $80 in free credits.
    • Factor: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your first box, plus free breakfast for 1 year, with code talkshow50off.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • Classic Mac OS Control Strip.
    • Manu Cornet’s oft-cited cartoon caricaturizing the org charts of major tech companies circa 2011.
    • Black Ink.
    • MarsEdit.
    • Rogue Amoeba: “Removing Tahoe’s Unwanted Menu Icons”.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    27 January 2026, 12:25 am
  • 2 hours 42 minutes
    438: ‘2025 Year in Review’, With Rene Ritchie

    A look back at Apple’s 2025, with special guest Rene Ritchie.

    Sponsored by:

    • Factor: Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your first box, plus free breakfast for 1 year, with code talkshow50off.
    • Squarespace: Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow.

    Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.

    Links:

    • The classic Mac OS Appearance Manager and its support for (rather garish) themes:
      • ATPM, August 2000: “GUI Junkie: Schemin’ and Themin’” by Christopher Turner. Includes screenshots.
      • Wikipedia: Appearance Manager.
    • Luria Petrucci celebrates 20 years on YouTube.
    • Steve Jobs on product people vs. sales/marketing people, back in the early 1990s.
    • John Browett’s brief tenure running retail at Apple back in 2012. His sacking was effectively a footnote in the announcement that Apple had parted with Scott Forstall.

    This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

    31 December 2025, 8:37 pm
  • More Episodes? Get the App

Discover

  • Featured
  • Top Charts
  • Popular

More

  • Get the App
  • News
  • Setting
  • Privacy Policy
  • Submit Your Podcast

Contact

  • [email protected]
  • Twitter
Your feedback is valuable to us. Should you encounter any bugs, glitches, lack of functionality or other problems, please email us at [email protected] or join where you can talk directly to the dev team.
© MoonFM 2026. All rights reserved.