The China in Africa Podcast

The China-Global South Project

  • 52 minutes 52 seconds
    Why Residents Near a Massive Chinese-run Mine in the DR Congo Are Getting Sick

    A three-year investigation by the Environmental Investigation Agency (EIA) and Congolese NGO Premi Congo uncovered severe health consequences for communities living near the Tenke Fungurume Mine (TFM) in the Democratic Republic of Congo, the world's largest copper-cobalt mine.

    Residents report nosebleeds, coughing up blood, and a troubling rise in stillbirths, all linked to high levels of sulfur dioxide emitted by a processing plant at TFM operated by Chinese mining giant CMOC Group.

    Luke Allen, a senior African program campaigner and one of the authors of the report, joins Eric & Géraud to discuss how the investigation also exposed major problems in corporate certifications that are supposed to call out this kind of environmental harm, but instead gave cover to the very companies causing it.

    📌 Topics Covered in this Episode:

    • The 3-year EIA investigation into the TFM mine
    • Health impacts on communities near the mine
    • CMOC's denial and response
    • Failures in corporate certification
    • China's mining footprint in the DRC
    • The human cost of the green energy supply chain

    Show Notes:

    • Environmental Investigation Agency: Toxic Transition - How the world's largest cobalt producer has allegedly poisoned communities for years: https://tinyurl.com/3k72k7fe

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    2 April 2026, 8:55 pm
  • 41 minutes 11 seconds
    China's Economic Relationship With Africa Is Entering a New Phase

    Chinese Vice President Han Zheng was in Kenya this week, where he oversaw the first shipment of agricultural products that will enter the Chinese market duty-free. There's a lot of excitement across the continent about China's removal of all import tariffs for goods from 53 African countries.

    But Yan Liang, an economics professor at Willamette University, argues it's not going to make much of a difference to reduce the swelling trade deficit that most African countries now have with China. Yan joins Eric to discuss a recent paper she wrote that explores China's evolving economic relationship with Africa and how the continent's lack of industrial capacity, among other factors, will keep the trade relationship between these two regions largely intact.

    📌 Topics Covered in this Episode

    • China's changing financial role in Africa
    • New lending and investment patterns
    • Rising debt repayments and pressures
    • Growth of RMB financing in Africa
    • Trade imbalances and structural challenges
    • What China's economy means for Africa

    Show Notes:

    • International Development Economics Associates: China's Evolving Role in Africa: Banker, Debt Collector and Rescuer by Yan Liang: https://tinyurl.com/mrybak59

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    26 March 2026, 10:47 pm
  • 53 minutes 30 seconds
    View From Washington: What the US Needs to Do to Re-Engage Africa

    While the Trump administration has taken a hard line toward Africa through aid cuts, travel bans, and pressure on governments like South Africa, it has also generated more investor excitement in Washington than we've seen in years. Donald Trump's new transactional foreign policy for the continent is prompting newfound enthusiasm from U.S. mining, oil, and security companies.

    But translating that enthusiasm into actual engagement won't be easy. The majority of U.S. companies taking the first steps into the continent's critical minerals sector, for example, are small, inexperienced, and lag far behind their Chinese competitors.

    Maureen Farrell, a non-resident senior fellow at The Atlantic Council, is in the midst of co-writing a six-part series of recommendations for U.S. policymakers to bolster U.S. security and economic engagement in Africa. Maureen joins Eric & Géraud to explain why Guinea, Libya, and Mozambique are of particular interest.

    📌 Topics Covered in this Episode

    • U.S.-China competition in Africa
    • Critical minerals and supply chains
    • Guinea mining opportunities
    • Libya geopolitics and energy
    • Mozambique LNG and security risks
    • Challenges facing US companies

    Show Notes:

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    19 March 2026, 10:00 am
  • 56 minutes 33 seconds
    Comparing U.S. and Chinese Aid Strategies in Africa

    For decades, the United States was the dominant provider of aid and humanitarian assistance to African countries. That changed last year with the closure of USAID. Washington now says it wants to prioritize trade over aid and is pursuing a more transactional approach to development assistance, linking support to mining access and data-sharing agreements.

    China, by contrast, has never been a major aid provider by traditional standards. Beijing argues that its support for African countries comes primarily through concessional financing and infrastructure development. Like the United States, China is frequently accused of using assistance as a tool to advance broader geopolitical interests.

    Obert Hodzi, a senior lecturer at the University of Liverpool and a leading China–Africa scholar, and Santino Regilme, a lecturer at Leiden University, recently published a new book comparing U.S. and Chinese aid strategies in Africa. They join Eric and Cobus to discuss why the two approaches may appear similar at first glance but remain fundamentally different.

    📌 Topics Covered in this Episode

    • African countries push back on new U.S. aid deals • Washington's shift from aid to trade and strategic partnerships • China's infrastructure-focused development model • Aid as a tool of geopolitical competition • Growing African agency in negotiating foreign assistance • Key differences between U.S. and Chinese aid strategies

    Show Notes:

    • Italian Journal of International Affairs: Comparing US and Chinese Foreign Aid in the Era of Rising Powers by Obert Hodzi and Santino Regilme: https://tinyurl.com/bdzm34rs

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    13 March 2026, 3:58 am
  • 1 hour 13 minutes
    Who Controls the Battery Age? Congo, China, and the New Resource Order

    The U.S., Japan, and other G7 countries are scrambling to secure critical minerals to end their reliance on Chinese-controlled supply chains. Every week, there's news of another mining deal for cobalt, lithium, and other resources essential to powering 21st century technology.

    But the race to control critical resources may already be over. Decades before countries in the Global West recognized the importance of these minerals and metals, China quietly built out a vast network of mining and refining operations.

    Nicholas Niarchos, author of the new bestselling book "The Elements of Power: A Story of War, Technology, and the Dirtiest Supply Chain on Earth," joins Eric & Géraud to discuss the history of the battery metal competition and why China's early moves in this space may have given it an insurmountable lead.

    📌 Topics Covered in this Episode:

    • Why everyone sees the critical minerals supply chain differently and who's missing the full picture
    • The making of "The Elements of Power" — one journalist's journey from Greece to Congo
    • Artisanal mining, child labor, and the political ecosystem keeping it alive
    • How China built its Congo mining empire over 30 years while the West looked away
    • The Sicomines "Deal of the Century" and what it revealed about Chinese strategy
    • Small Chinese traders, violence, and the uneasy coexistence on Congo's mining frontier
    • Indonesia, Western Sahara and the global pattern of extractive exploitation
    • Why the US critical minerals push may already be too little too late

    Show Notes:

    • Purchase a copy of The Elements of Power: A Story of War, Technology, and the Dirtiest Supply Chain on Earth: https://a.co/d/0g8xV4n8

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    5 March 2026, 11:22 am
  • 42 minutes 34 seconds
    Why Private Bondholders Matter More Than China in Africa's Debt Debate

    For more than a decade, the dominant Western narrative about Chinese lending to African countries has focused on the purported "debt trap."

    But the data tells a very different story.

    David McNair, executive director of Global Policy at ONE.org, joins Eric & Cobus to discuss a new report on African debt that challenges many popular assumptions.

    While African countries owe $708 billion in total external debt, only about 11.5% is owed to China. Meanwhile, private bondholders hold the largest share, often at significantly higher interest rates. More importantly, China has shifted from being a major lender to becoming a major debt collector, as loans from the Belt and Road that surged a decade ago now come due.

    📌 Topics Covered in this Episode:

    • The scale of Africa's $708 billion external debt and China's 11.5% share
    • The $52 billion "Great Reversal" — from Chinese lending to debt collection
    • Why private bondholders now dominate Africa's debt landscape
    • Interest rate comparisons: Chinese loans vs. Eurobonds
    • The rise of multilateral development banks and expanded lending headroom
    • The failures and design flaws of the G20 Common Framework
    • 7. Credit rating agencies, risk perception, and Africa's borrowing costs

    Show Notes:

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    X: @ChinaGSProject | @eric_olander | @standenesque

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    27 February 2026, 3:51 am
  • 44 minutes 22 seconds
    How a Little-Known Chinese Company Conquered Africa's Cell Phone Market

    Shenzhen-based Transsion Holdings is now a massive Chinese technology company that few people outside of Africa and certain parts of Asia have heard of. Even in China, the brand, now the world's 5th-largest mobile phone producer, remains largely unknown.

    Transsion gained notoriety after it entered the African market in 2006. Back then, the world's largest phone brands all but ignored African consumers, selling low-end, late-model devices designed primarily for Western and Asian consumers.

    The Chinese company saw an opportunity and tweaked the software on its phones to optimize photos for darker skin tones, and added a suite of features like dual SIM cards, dustproofing, and longer battery life to sell sub-$100 phones to Africa's booming youth market. That formula worked, and the company's three brands, Tecno, Infinix, and iTel, have dominated the market for more than a decade.

    But little is known about how Transsion achieved its success in Africa. Lu Miao, an assistant professor at Lingnan University in Hong Kong, joins Eric & Cobus to lay out the company's strategy and why it was so effective in a market that others largely ignored.

    Purchase the book: The Transsion Approach: Translating Chinese Mobile Technology in Africa by Lu Miao: https://a.co/d/04AKaajZ

    📌 Topics covered in this episode:

    • Why rural-first strategy beat Silicon Valley-style scaling • How African distributors helped shape product design and marketing • The importance of dual SIM cards, long battery life, and localized features • The role of Carlcare repair centers in building long-term loyalty • The shift from feature phones to smartphones and rising competition • Growing patent lawsuits and the next phase of AI-driven competition

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    24 February 2026, 6:57 am
  • 59 minutes 57 seconds
    Why Africa is Now a Key Front in the U.S.-China Rivalry

    Donald Trump has never thought very highly of Africa, famously referring to the continent as a place of "sh**hole countries." While there's no indication that sentiment has changed, he's recognized that African resources are essential if he wants the U.S. to decouple from Chinese dominanted critical mineral supply chains.

    In February, the administration unveiled an ambitious new critical minerals sourcing initiative in which African countries, in particular, play an outsized role. But the Chinese have a 20+ year head start sourcing and refining these minerals and metals, so displacing them is not going to be easy.

    For some perspective on this burgeoning U.S.-China rivalry, Eric & Géraud are joined by two of the top editors at the online news site Semafor. Yinka Adegoke is Semafor's Africa Editor, and Andy Browne is the outlet's Managing Editor, who will oversee Semafor's new China newsletter.

    📌 Topics covered in this episode:

    • The intensifying U.S.-China rivalry across Africa
    • China's expanding role in Congolese cobalt and critical minerals
    • Xi Jinping's duty-free access offer to 53 African countries
    • Mining versus refining and why processing capacity is the real bottleneck
    • U.S. efforts to counter China through critical minerals partnerships
    • Trade imbalances and the limits of African industrialization
    • Debates in Washington over corruption and China's business practices
    • Governance in the DRC and the deeper roots of regional instability

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    20 February 2026, 2:55 am
  • 56 minutes 5 seconds
    China's Expanding Military Engagement Across Africa

    China is rapidly expanding its military engagement with African countries through a combination of joint exercises, growing arms sales, officer training programs, and deeper security cooperation under its Global Security Initiative.

    This widening footprint is generating unease in the United States, where policymakers and analysts are particularly worried about unsubstantiated claims that the PLA is seeking to build a base somewhere along Africa's Atlantic coast.

    Paul Nantulya, a research associate at the Africa Center for Strategic Studies in Washington, and Paa Kwesi Wolseley Prah, a post-doctoral fellow at Lingnan University in Hong Kong, join Eric & Géraud to explain why Chinese security outreach is getting so much traction across Africa.

    📌 Topics covered in this episode:

    • The scope of PLA military engagement across Africa
    • Debates in Washington over Chinese bases and port access
    • How the Djibouti model shapes fears of future expansion
    • China's Global Security Initiative and what it really means
    • Policing cooperation, surveillance, and domestic security ties
    • The surge in Chinese arms sales, drones, and equipment
    • China's growing security footprint in the Sahel
    • Critical minerals and the security dimension of China-Africa relations
    • What US lawmakers are asking about China's role in the DRC and regional stability

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    13 February 2026, 1:32 am
  • 1 hour 4 minutes
    U.S. Pushes New Critical Minerals Bloc to Counter China

    The United States wants to build a new global critical minerals supply chain through a new alliance that aims to stabilize prices and reduce dependence on China. Africa sits at the center of this shift, particularly the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where geopolitics is increasingly shaping mining deals and partnerships.

    CGSP Africa Editor Géraud Neema joins Eric & Cobus to break down the U.S. proposal and why China's dominance in refining and processing remains a major constraint, raising doubts about whether a minerals strategy focused mainly on extraction can succeed.

    📌 Topics covered in this episode:

    • Washington's push to build a China-free critical minerals alliance
    • JD Vance's proposal for price floors and a minerals trading bloc
    • What US stockpiling plans mean for global supply chains
    • How Africa fits into the US critical minerals strategy and security goals
    • The DRC's pivot toward Washington and the impact on Chinese miners
    • Why refining and processing remain China's biggest advantage
    • The risk of a fragmented global minerals market and hardened blocs
    • What a new critical minerals cold war means for the Global South

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    6 February 2026, 4:28 am
  • 50 minutes 23 seconds
    Africa and the New World Order: U.S. Pulls Back and China Moves Forward

    The collapse of the post-war international system now underway will have a disproportionate impact on African countries that rely heavily on multilateral bodies like the UN. Beyond a pull-back of aid and humanitarian assistance, African countries must also contend with an increasingly hostile United States.

    Dozens of African countries have been targeted by the Trump administration for visa restrictions, trade sanctions, and regularly denigrated by the president himself. At the same time, U.S. diplomats across the continent were ordered by the State Department in January to remind African governments to express more gratitude to the U.S. for its "generosity."

    Judd Devermont, the former top Africa strategist at the White House during the Biden administration and now an operating partner at Kupanda Capital in Washington, joins Eric & Cobus to discuss the future of U.S.-Africa relations and China's expanding presence on the continent.

    📌 Topics covered in this episode:

    • China's sharp drop in Africa lending and what it signals
    • Why big Chinese infrastructure projects are fading
    • U.S. Africa relations after USAID and PEPFAR cuts
    • The leaked State Department email and Africa as a "peripheral" priority
    • America's collapsing credibility in Africa and beyond
    • Why China is seen as an opportunity, not an ally
    • Critical minerals and the limits of extractive diplomacy
    • What the shifting U.S.-China-Africa balance means next

    Show Notes:

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    X: @ChinaGSProject | @eric_olander | @stadenesque

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    27 January 2026, 2:44 am
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