What happens when we choose forgiveness before we know how the story will turn out? We explore the surprising connection between forgiveness, trust, grace, and the freedom that comes when we stop trying to control an outcome. Bruce McNicol, Trueface founder and president emeritus, shares a formative story from his childhood about watching his father respond to a serious breach of trust in business—not with retaliation, but with forgiveness. We unpack why forgiveness isn't about ignoring justice, avoiding accountability, or guaranteeing a particular outcome. Instead, it can be an act of trusting God and receiving His grace to heal our relationships. Along the way, we consider the difference between external actions and our internal posture, why trust must be earned, and how choosing forgiveness can create peace and freedom in our own lives. We also hear how one man's decision to forgive ultimately influenced someone who was watching decades later.

What We Learned

• Forgiveness can be an act of trusting God when a situation is outside our control.
• Trust is earned, and being a Christian does not automatically make someone trustworthy.
• Forgiveness and repentance aren't simply tools for behavior management; they can be gifts of grace that help heal relationships.
• We can pursue accountability, wise business practices, and justice while still choosing forgiveness internally.
• The peace and freedom that come through forgiveness can benefit the person doing the forgiving, regardless of how the other person responds.
• We don't always know who is watching how we respond to broken trust, and our choices can influence people years later.
• God can work through formative experiences long before we understand their purpose.
• Forgiveness ultimately invites us to trust God with outcomes we cannot control.

Resources Mentioned

• Trueface
• Trueface High Trust Leader Course
• The Cure
• Eugene Peterson’s The Message

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What if the fear driving our exhaustion, anxiety, and self-protection is actually pointing us toward a false view of ourselves or God? We continue our conversation with Jamie Winship about discovering our true and specific identity, learning to tell the truth about our fears, and allowing confession to lead us toward repentance and transformation. We explore why living from a false identity keeps us self-focused and self-protective, while knowing who God created us to be frees us to become more other-focused and loving. Jamie also shares a practical daily discipline of releasing burdens to God, receiving what He has for us today, and remembering that today is enough. Together, we unpack how fear can serve as a directional signal, how community helps us discern what God is inviting us into, and why God's presence—not our performance—is the foundation of transformation.

What We Learned

• The false self is driven by fear, self-protection, and self-promotion, while the true self is able to live with other-focused, self-emptying, unconditional love.
• Identity is described as the organizing principle of every living system; when we live from our true identity, we become reciprocal and connected rather than isolated and self-focused.
• Knowing our identity goes beyond being a child of God or being filled with the Holy Spirit; we can also discover the specific ways God has uniquely designed us to contribute and serve.
• Confession is more than saying "I'm sorry"—it is telling the truth about what we actually believe, including our fears, our view of God, and our sense of separation from Him.
• Truth telling can lead to repentance, mind change, and ultimately transformation because we cannot change what we refuse to acknowledge.
• Fear is a directional signal, not a decision maker. When fear surfaces, we can ask God, "What am I afraid of?" and examine what the fear reveals about what we believe about God, ourselves, or others.
• A daily practice of releasing burdens and lies to God, then receiving what He has for us that day, helps us live in the truth that today is enough.
• Discernment becomes clearer when we stop assuming every opportunity is an assignment from God, identify what makes our hearts come alive, and remain open to the changing seasons of what He invites us into.

Resources Mentioned

• Living Fearless — Jamie Winship
• Identity Exchange
• Trueface
• 1 John 1:9
• Romans 12:1-2

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What if hearing from God is more practical than we've been taught? We revisit one of our favorite conversations with Jamie Winship as he shares how discovering his God-given identity transformed the way he approached fear, relationships, and everyday life. We explore how learning to recognize God's voice shaped Jamie's work as a police officer, why identity is deeper than our vocation, and what it looks like to follow Jesus in ordinary moments. If you've ever wondered whether God still speaks today or how to live with greater confidence in your identity, this conversation offers a compelling invitation to trust Him in every part of life.

What We Learned

• Identity comes from God—not from what we do, what we have, or what other people think about us.
• Fear is one of the greatest obstacles to living the life God designed us to live.
• God often meets us in ordinary moments and unexpected places, not just traditionally "spiritual" environments.
• Our vocation is not our identity; our identity is what brings life and purpose into our vocation.
• Learning to hear God's voice is a discipline that grows through asking questions, paying attention, and practicing obedience.
• Abiding with Jesus means inviting Him into everyday conversations, decisions, and relationships—not just spiritual activities.
• God frequently reveals Himself most clearly in places of darkness, desperation, and uncertainty.
• Obedience is hearing God's voice and responding, rather than simply following rules.

Resources Mentioned

• Living Fearless — Jamie Winship
• Identity Exchange
• Becoming What You Believe
• Trueface
• Serpico (1973)
• Athletes in Action

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What does it look like to actually walk with Jesus in everyday life—not just during church on Sunday? We sat down with Tim Timmons to talk about his new song, "Wreckage and Rain," written for The PATH Album, and the deeper themes of shame, healing, grief, gratitude, and authenticity that inspired it. Together, we explored why following Jesus is more about joining Him in the ordinary moments than performing for others, how hidden wounds keep us stuck, and why taking off the mask can change the way we experience both God and our relationships. We also discussed Tim's upcoming appearance in I Can Only Imagine 2, his battle with stage four cancer, and why hope isn't found in circumstances but in the presence of God.

What We Learned

• Following Jesus is practiced during the "10,000 minutes" between church gatherings, not just the 80 minutes spent together on Sundays.
• Authenticity begins when we're willing to stop protecting our own kingdom and start seeking God's kingdom instead.
• Shame says our failures define us, while healthy correction reminds us we are deeply loved even when we make mistakes.
• Healing doesn't always come with time alone; God often meets us in the ongoing tension between grief and gratitude.
• Vulnerability creates space for others to be honest too—the gift of "going first" changes relationships.
• Biblical belief is more than agreeing with truth; it's living as though that truth is actually real.
• Hope is rooted in God's presence and His work of restoration, not in getting the outcome we want.
• Writing songs as prayers creates space for honest conversations with God that others can join.

Resources Mentioned

• The Path
• The Cure 
• Tim Timmons 
• Journey Church
• 10,000 Minutes
• I Can Only Imagine 2
• Waking Up Again
• Jess Cates
• Benji Cowart
• Dan Allender

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THE PATH MUSIC is more than an album—it's an invitation to experience the Father's love in a way that moves beyond information and into transformation. We sat down with Bruce McNicol (Trueface Co-founder & President Emeritus), Benjamin Crawshaw (Trueface Director of Member Engagement), Jason Pamer (film producer and writer, known for Rape for Profit (2012), Saved for a Reason (2016), and Anima (2026)), and Josh Silverberg (11-time Grammy, Dove Award, and Emmy nominee, songwriter, producer, and founder of Savage Sync House) to explore the heart behind this unique songwriting project inspired by The Path.

Together, we discuss how a community of award-winning artists gathered in Nashville to write original songs based on each chapter of The Path, why music uniquely reaches places that words alone cannot, and how trust, identity, friendship, and the Father's delight became the foundation for every song. We also hear the story behind the collaboration, the creative process, and the hope that these songs will help listeners move from performance to trust as they experience the love of God.

Bruce wanted to honor Jason, Josh and the entire songwriting/artist community with legendary producer Quincy Jones’ urging, “When making music you’ve got to leave space for God to walk through the room.” That’s exactly what this whole songwriting community did—they made space for God to walk through those writing rooms. 

What We Learned

• Music can communicate identity and the Father's love in ways that spoken or written words often cannot.
• Every song on The Path Music was written to embody one chapter and one core theme from The Path.
• The project brought together artists from diverse backgrounds and church traditions around a shared love for Jesus and His grace.
• The creative process prioritized relationships, prayer, excellence, and thoughtful collaboration over speed or production volume.
• The message of trusting God instead of living to please Him became a central theme throughout the conversation.
• God invites us into relationship before performance, and His delight isn't earned through our achievements.
• The hope for the album is that listeners experience healing, identity, and deeper trust in the Father's love.

Resources Mentioned

• The Path
• The Cure 
• The Cure & Parents
• The Heart of Man 
• After Death (2023)
• Bo's Cafe
• Quote by Dr. Curt Thompson
• Acts 9:26-28
• Jason Pamer - IMDB
• Josh Silverberg - The Savage Sync House

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What if you already are who you wish you were? Benjamin Crawshaw and Brittany Coulson sit down with Mike Donehey to talk about The Path, the upcoming music project inspired by the book, and why so much of our spiritual growth comes back to identity. Together, they explore the freedom that comes from living from God's love instead of striving for it, why confession creates connection instead of shame, and how grace transforms the way we see ourselves, our work, and the people around us. Mike also shares how the songs for The Path album came together, why stewardship is a better framework than leadership, and what changes when we truly believe we are already loved.

What We Learned

• Failure isn't the opposite of growth—it can be an opportunity to learn, grow, and discover whether we are truly loved.
• The question "Is that all you got?" creates safety and freedom when people share their failures and struggles.
• Vulnerability becomes easier when we practice it with trusted people over time.
• Moving from "Why are you feeling that?" to "What do you think is underneath that?" creates curiosity instead of defensiveness.
• Identity is foundational: we work from God's approval, not for God's approval.
• Stewardship reminds us that our gifts are entrusted to us by God rather than earned by our own efforts.
• Our worth does not rise and fall with our usefulness, performance, or obedience.
• Sometimes all we have to bring to God is our need—and that is enough.

Resources Mentioned

Mike Donehey / Instagram: @MikeDonehey

Trueface: The Path & The Cure

Tenth Avenue North

Albums: The Light Meets the Dark & The Struggle

Song: Broken People

Book: Finding God's Life for My Will

Dallas Willard quote

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Grace changes more than our relationship with God—it changes the way we relate to everyone around us.

We sat down with Benjamin Crawshaw and Brittany Coulson to explore what grace actually looks like in everyday relationships. From receiving grace when we fail, to building deeper trust through vulnerability, to extending grace to the people who are hardest to love, we unpack how grace moves from a theological concept to a lived experience. We also talk about high-trust relationships, why being known is so risky, and how God often uses other people to help us experience His love in tangible ways. If you've ever struggled to let people see the real you, wondered how to find deeper community, or wrestled with extending grace to difficult people, this conversation is for you.

What We Learned

* Grace is not just a one-time gift at salvation—it is the environment in which we live the entire Christian life.

* Receiving grace often feels harder than giving grace because it requires surrendering control and self-righteousness.

* High-trust relationships are built through small acts of vulnerability that gradually establish trust.

* Many people avoid being fully known because they fear what others will think if they see their struggles and weaknesses.

* Being "first on the beach" means risking vulnerability before knowing how others will respond.

* Grace allows us to own our mistakes without letting them define our identity.

* Difficult people often act out of fear, wounds, and self-protection rather than malice.

* The more deeply we experience God's grace toward us, the easier it becomes to extend grace to others.

Resources Mentioned

The Cure by John Lynch, Bruce McNicol, & Bill Thrall 

Dr. T.A. Powell - Beyond the Mask

Marcus Warner - Deeper Walk International 

Unoffendable by Brant Hansen 

Trueface Retreat 2026

Trueface Life App 

• App Store
• Google Play

[email protected] 

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Robby shares a personal and ministry update as Trueface enters a major new season. We talk through family life with eight kids, preparing for his first sabbatical, the emotional and mental exhaustion that comes from leading through growth, and the deeper vision behind GROW — a new discipleship initiative designed to help churches create authentic transformation and relational discipleship at scale.

We also unpack the tension many churches feel around discipleship today: why “know more, do better” keeps people stuck, how grace reshapes spiritual growth, and why authentic community may become one of the church’s greatest opportunities in the years ahead. Along the way, Robby shares stories about the Trueface team, future projects, the upcoming Path album, and why this season feels both overwhelming and deeply hopeful.

What We Learned

• Discipleship is the process of growing in love of God and others.
• Most churches struggle to define effective discipleship and develop enough healthy leaders.
• “Know more, do better” creates striving, while “trust and receive” produces transformation.
• Authentic community is becoming increasingly rare — and increasingly necessary.
• Leadership culture shapes spiritual growth more than systems or programming.
• Robby believes the church has a unique opportunity to meet the next generation’s longing for real connection.
• Sabbatical is not just physical rest — mental and spiritual rest matter too.
• Transformation happens when we replace lies with truth in the context of relationships.

Resources Mentioned

Trueface Journey 

The Path 

RightNow Media | Streaming Video Library of Bible Studies 

Christian Family Camps in Texas & South Carolina | Pine Cove 

Refuge Foundation — Pure Charity 

Grow Disciples Conference 

The War of Worldviews by Jamie Winship

My First Thirty Quiet Times by Ty Saltzgiver

Live Loved by Ty Saltzgiver

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What if the freedom we’re longing for is on the other side of being fully known?

In part two of our conversation with Jeff Kemp, we explore what it really means to trust others and step into the kind of relationships we were made for. We talk about the tension we all feel—the desire to be known and the fear of being exposed—and how that keeps us stuck in shallow connections. Jeff shares how daily rhythms of remembering our identity in God can quiet our need for approval and free us to show up honestly.

We unpack the difference between surface-level friendships and what Jeff calls “level five” relationships—intentional, consistent, and deeply transformative. Together, we wrestle with why so many of us settle for less, how isolation is quietly shaping our lives, and what it looks like to pursue real friendship with courage.

We also get practical about how to move toward deeper connection, why small groups aren’t the destination but a starting point, and how vulnerability, trust, and consistency create space for true life change.

This conversation is an invitation—to stop doing life solo and step into the kind of relationships where we can be fully known, fully loved, and continually pointed back to truth.

Resources: 

• Jeff’s Ministry: MenHuddle.com 
• Free license to listen to the AUDIObook of RECEIVE: THE WAY OF JESUS FOR MEN, narrated by Jeff Kemp on AudioOne app: https://one-audiobooks.oneaudiobooks.com/receive_the_way_of_jesus_for_men_leaders_vip
• Free weekly text to grow core friendships: CORE3COACHING.com
• The Father’s Gifts diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13LG7IdBktNY8AsnO36tzAGSjKz4eo7Y4/view?usp=sharing 

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What if the version of us we’re striving to become is actually keeping us from experiencing the freedom we already have?

In this conversation, we sit down with former NFL quarterback Jeff Kemp to unpack the subtle but powerful ways we chase significance, compare ourselves, and quietly believe we’re not enough. Together, we explore how performance—whether in sports, ministry, or everyday life—can shape our identity and fuel a constant striving for “future us” to finally measure up.

We reflect on the tension between our God-given desires for impact and the hidden idols that form when those desires become ultimate. Jeff shares vulnerably about his own journey through insecurity, comparison, and the pressure of expectations—and how God began to reframe everything through a deeper understanding of sonship, identity, and grace.

We talk about what it actually looks like to receive our identity instead of earn it, how daily rhythms with God reshape our perspective, and why true freedom begins with believing we are already fully loved, approved, and secure.

This episode is an invitation to stop chasing significance—and start living from it.

Resources: 

• Jeff’s Ministry: MenHuddle.com 
• Free license to listen to the Audiobook of RECEIVE: THE WAY OF JESUS FOR MEN, narrated by Jeff Kemp on AudioOne app: https://one-audiobooks.oneaudiobooks.com/receive_the_way_of_jesus_for_men_leaders_vip
• Free weekly text to grow core friendships: CORE3COACHING.com
• The Father’s Gifts diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13LG7IdBktNY8AsnO36tzAGSjKz4eo7Y4/view?usp=sharing 

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What if the very thing we’re craving—being fully known and fully loved—is the one thing we’re quietly avoiding?

In this episode, we sit down with Neil Sullivan to explore the deep tension many of us feel between longing for authentic connection and defaulting to self-protection. We unpack why leaders—especially pastors—often feel isolated, and how that isolation keeps us from experiencing the freedom, joy, and transformation we were made for.

We share Neil’s powerful story of how performance, hiddenness, and attachment shaped his life—and how God is redeeming it through authentic community. Together, we dive into why friendship isn’t optional for spiritual growth, but essential. We also break down a practical pathway to transformation—one that starts with humility and moves through vulnerability, feedback, commitment, and accountability.

We reflect on the reality that we weren’t designed to do life alone—and ask the hard question: do we have anyone in our lives who truly knows everything about us?

This conversation invites us to step out of hiding, embrace honest relationships, and experience the kind of connection that leads to real change.

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