Frank and Dan's off-the-cuff conversations focus on current events cast through the lens of their shared atheism. Episodes include a rundown of six news stories from the prior week, and the show occasionally features interviews with writers, thinkers,...
Alex Jones turning on Donald Trump wasn't on anyone's bingo card, but here we are! In a moment that feels less like politics and more like a full-blown schism, one of Trump's loudest allies is suddenly calling him out for going too far. Is this the beginning of real cracks inside MAGA, or just another bizarre twist in a movement that's built on them? Either way, it's a rare glimpse of the machine turning on itself, and it's hard to look away...
Elsewhere, a school assembly speaker gets exposed for sneaking Jesus into anti-bullying talks, a baptism ends in tragedy and criminal charges, and a group of nuns would rather sue than care for trans patients. Plus, Trump dreams up a massive, gold-drenched monument for D.C., the Pentagon reportedly picks a fight with the Pope, and an astronaut can't resist bringing Jesus into orbit.
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A top FEMA official says God teleported him⦠to a Waffle House. Not metaphorically. Not "in spirit." Literally... mid-crisis, mid-life, mid-reality... He claims he was transported miles away as part of a divine encounter, and now he's defending it with scripture! It's the kind of story that would be funny if it weren't coming from someone with real power, and somehow, it only gets worse the deeper you go. (And it's actually pretty funny too).
Also this week: the Supreme Court opens the door to conversion therapy under "free speech," a federal judge rules Arkansas's Ten Commandments monument unconstitutional (for now), and Pete Hegseth's Pentagon prayer situation raises fresh churchāstate questions. The LDS Church doubles down on anti-trans policy, new data shows Mormons quietly shifting left politically, and a judge blocks an attempt to gut the Johnson Amendment. In the final segment, the Artemis mission takes flight⦠along with people who think rockets are hitting the firmament.
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A prayer calling for "overwhelming violence" is where Frank and Dan start this week, as they examine comments from Pete Hegseth and the disturbing implications of religious language being used to justify force and power. They break down how this kind of rhetoric fits into a broader pattern of increasingly militant expressions of faith in political spaces, and what it signals about the direction of religion's role in public life.
From there, Frank and Dan move through a slate of stories that highlight how widespread these tensions have become: a Pentagon proposal to label military chaplains by faith, a conspiracy-driven sermon linking gender equality to demographic control, new legislation in Canada challenging religious exemptions in hate speech law, fresh data showing the continued decline of a "biblical worldview" in the U.S., shifting support for Trump-era deportation policies among religious groups, and a retracted report that briefly suggested a revival of church attendance in the U.K.
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A televangelist says he needs a private jet, and he's citing the Bible to justify it! After ditching commercial travel, he's now asking followers to fund his upgrade, arguing even Christ had to avoid the crowds. Apparently, salvation travels first class (or better).
Also this week: a bizarre Mormon conference tries to argue Joseph Smith didn't practice polygamy, prompting backlash and possible discipline from the church; a Pittsburgh priest gets caught selling church artifacts on eBay after repeatedly stealing baseball cards from Walmart; Democrats experiment with running pastors for office, raising questions about religion's role on the left; Texas gets pushed by the courts to reconsider excluding Muslim schools from its voucher program; and Jehovah's Witnesses quietly ease their blood transfusion ban (sort of). Plus, the LDS Church rolls out a so-called "gender equity" change that lets women lead Sunday School⦠as long as they don't lead men.
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A man quietly says a prayer on a flight, and it ends with police, a diversion, and a wave of panic. What should have been an ordinary moment of religious observance during Ramadan was treated like a security threat, exposing how quickly fear and bias can escalate at 30,000 feet. In this episode, we break down what actually happened, why it spiraled, and what it reveals about the double standard around public expressions of faith.
Also this week: Trump leans into "bad genetics" rhetoric that sounds a lot like eugenics, Texas rolls out a "religious freedom" voucher program that somehow excludes Muslim schools, and a new legal challenge turns abortion bans into a religious freedom issue. We also look at a bizarre Bible-reading marathon featuring conservative heavyweights, and a papal critique of war that raises big questions about moral accountability. Then in the final segment, we dig into whether a progressive Christian like James Talarico might be part of the answer to Christian nationalism, or just a different version of the same problem.
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A top CPAC leader sparked outrage this week after defending the bombing of Iranian schoolgirls. During a heated debate on Piers Morgan's show, American Conservative Union chairman Matt Schlapp suggested the girls might be "better off dead" than growing up under Iran's oppressive regimeāan argument that left the panel stunned and raised disturbing questions about how far some are willing to go to justify war.
Elsewhere in the episode: Utah lawmakers turn Good Friday into a state holiday (in a state that barely observes it), a quiet new Utah education bill pushes religion into the teaching of America's founding, and a disturbing wave of Christian pundits celebrating war because they think it will trigger the End Times. We also look at Pete Hegseth's biblical war rhetoric and the growing overlap between nationalism, Christianity, and foreign policy. Then in the final segment, we zoom out to examine the darker side of apocalyptic beliefāand why some believers seem genuinely excited about the possibility of global catastrophe.
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A quiet little mistake at BYU sets off a surprisingly big reaction! When a drink at the Mormon-owned Brigham Young University turned out to contain green tea, it reopened the question of what the Mormon "Word of Wisdom" actually bans, and why a 19th-century health rule still causes confusion today. Frank and Dan unpack the green tea mix-up and the strange logic behind Mormon caffeine culture (because they most definitely do consume the stuff!!)
Elsewhere in the episode: Congress launches a "Sharia Free America" caucus, anti-LGBTQ parents win a $1.5 million payout over school books, the Taliban burns musical instruments in Afghanistan, Kansas makes clergy mandatory reporters (with a major confession loophole), a Catholic bishop is accused of embezzling church funds for trips to a Tijuana brothel, and Tucker Carlson's new prayer-app sponsor sparks backlash from Christians.
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A Florida congressman has introduced something called the "Protect Puppies from Sharia Act." Yes, that's the real name. The bill claims to defend dogs from Islamic law bans that don't exist, turning imaginary threats into federal legislation. We break down the culture-war paranoia behind it, and how this is what passes for serious governance now.
Elsewhere, we cover a massive Catholic abuse settlement and what it says about institutional accountability, a heartbreaking measles case tied to vaccine refusal, Louisiana's Ten Commandments law surviving another court challenge, Liberty University's push for a social media fast, and new Gallup data showing public trust in clergy collapsing. We close with a broader look at Christian nationalism and whether losing culture-war battles actually slows the movement, or quietly strengthens it.
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The Mormon Church has made a move that's raising questions about where it's headed next. President Dallin H. Oaks has appointed Clark Gilbert as the newest apostle, a relatively young (at 55 years old!) leader known for his firm orthodoxy and culture-war posture within church education. For many within the church and without, it feels like a signal about the future direction of the institution, particularly on LGBTQ issues and internal dissent.
We also examine Alabama's proposal to make disrupting a church service a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison, Oklahoma's latest attempt to establish a publicly funded religious charter school, and a lawsuit challenging Trump's Religious Liberty Commission. Plus: a controversial plea deal involving a former prison chaplain, and a Christian university "merger" that ended with faculty fired and assets absorbed.
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As America approaches its 250th anniversary, Donald Trump is launching a rival celebrationā"Freedom 250"ācomplete with a national jubilee of prayer and a rededication of the country as "one nation under God." At the same time, the man linked to infidelity, sexual misconduct allegations, financial fraud, and relentless public dishonesty continues to enjoy overwhelming support from American Christians.
Elsewhere, a group of evangelicals hijack a long-haul flight with midair preaching (again!), an Arizona pastor calls for repealing women's right to vote, researchers flag evangelical bias in AI chatbots, a Utah city councilman says your rights are "God-given," not constitutional, and the "He Gets Us" campaign gets a makeover this year for the Super Bowl. Plus: a secular take on Lent and whether giving something up can have value for us non-believers.
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Pop star Nicki Minaj helped launch Donald Trump's latest schemeāand walked off with a shiny receipt. After backing Trump's new "Trump Accounts" and pouring serious money into the project, Minaj publicly declared that God is protecting Trumpāthen promptly showed off a Trump "Gold Card," a not-so-subtle symbol of access for sale. This week, we break down the celebrity worship, divine flattery, and raw pay-to-play politics that turn governance into a transaction.
We also dig into conservative outrage over the Super Bowl halftime show, Texas pushing Bible-based curriculum into public schools, a coordinated effort to roll back marriage equality, glaring sentencing disparities between religious offenders, and a rare moment of progress as Orthodox rabbis condemn conversion therapy. Then we close the show by pulling way backāconfronting the sheer scale of the universe and asking what happens to small, human-sized gods when faced with billions of galaxies and a cosmos that doesn't care what we believe.
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