Writer's Voice with Francesca Rheannon

Francesca Rheannon

Francesca Rheannon talks to writers of all genres about matters that move us and make us think.

  • 58 minutes 29 seconds
    WE SURVIVED THE NIGHT: Julian Brave Noisecat on Story, Survival & the Power of Indigenous Truths

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    In this, our 1,000th episode of Writer’s Voice, Francesca Rheannon interviews Julian Brave Noisecat about We Survived the Night, his memoir weaving Indigenous oral traditions, personal narrative, political history, and  environmental insight.

    Noisecat explores Coyote stories, the legacy of residential schools, intergenerational trauma, mixed-race identity, the meaning of home, Indigenous political traditions, and the contemporary struggle for land, water, and cultural continuity.

    “The text itself is a woven narrative that combines different elements of nonfiction to put these different kinds of truths and storytelling in conversation with each other.”

    Through humor, grief, myth, and investigative rigor, Noisecat reframes Indigenous storytelling as nonfiction — a mode of truth that Western traditions have long dismissed. This conversation highlights the power of indigenous stories to resist erasure, illuminate political histories, and recover cultural knowledge.

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    Key Words: Julian Brave Noisecat interview, We Survived the Night, Indigenous memoir, Coyote stories, residential schools history, Native American literature, intergenerational trauma, Indigenous resurgence, Salish culture, environmental justice Indigenous communities, land dispossession history,

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    SEGMENT SUMMARY

    Francesca speaks with Julian Brave Noisecat about his memoir/history We Survived the Night, structured around a four-day fasting tradition and infused with the oral-literary lineage of Coyote stories. Noisecat discusses his father’s birth at a residential school, the silence around Indigenous trauma, his family’s weaving traditions, and how Coyote mythology offers a language for understanding survival, contradiction, and the men in his family.

    He describes the interconnection between land and people in Salish languages; the role of urban Native communities in activism; the Indigenous resurgence of the late 20th century; traditional ecological knowledge; and political tensions over fisheries, pipelines, and Arctic development. He also reflects on the personal: alcoholism, relationships, mixed-race identity, and the role of his mother in keeping him connected to his community.

    KEY TOPICS

    • Indigenous oral traditions as nonfiction
    • Coyote as ancestral, literary, and allegorical figure
    • Residential schools, unmarked graves, cultural genocide
    • Intergenerational trauma and family silence
    • Mixed-race identity and kinship
    • The meaning of home for Native people
    • Indigenous political history and contemporary power
    • Environmental stewardship and fisheries
    • Colonization as an ongoing structure
    • Survival, continuity, and cultural resurgence
    30 November 2025, 9:27 pm
  • 59 minutes 42 seconds
    Bruce Holsinger on AI’s Moral Dilemmas and Elizabeth George’s New Inspector Lynley Mystery

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    This week on Writer’s Voice, Bruce Holsinger tells us about his new novel Culpability, a story about a family shattered by a self-driving car accident — and about the ethical and emotional consequences of artificial intelligence.

    Holsinger, whose earlier novel The Displacements explored climate catastrophe, turns his sharp eye to the ways technology mirrors human flaws, illuminating our collective complicity in shaping the systems that govern us.

    “For all that we talk about the ethics of AI, the systems themselves are completely indifferent to our fates.” — Bruce Holsinger

    Then Elizabeth George, the beloved creator of the Inspector Lynley series, talks about her new book A Slowly Dying Cause. It’s a masterful mystery that explores grief, obsession and moral reckoning. Set in Cornwall, it interlaces complex storylines around a suspicious death, a fractured family and the consequences of unresolved grief.

    “The whole book is about grief — and letting go of grief.” — Elizabeth George

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    Key Words: Bruce Holsinger, Elizabeth George, Culpability, A Slowly Dying Cause, AI ethics, mystery fiction, artificial intelligence novel, Inspector Lynley series 

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    Segment One: Bruce Holsinger

    The alarms being raised about the potentially catastrophic consequences of AI are getting louder — from massive job losses to the extinction of civilization, if not the human race itself. Yet President Trump is considering an executive order that would severely restrict or ban regulation of AI by the states, after a similar attempt by Congressional Republicans was defeated earlier in the year.

    Holsinger’s novel Culpability begins with a devastating car crash involving a self-driving vehicle. From that ordinary tragedy emerges a meditation on moral agency, responsibility, and family. Holsinger’s narrator, Noah Shaw, centers story around that of his wife Lorelai, a MacArthur-winning philosopher and AI ethicist whose research into “ethical artificial minds” collides with her own family’s pain.

    The novel’s title reflects a central question: who is responsible when AI goes awry? As AI systems begin to make decisions once reserved for humans, Holsinger asks whether these systems can truly learn ethics — or only replicate our own flaws and biases.

    The story intertwines the philosophical with the intimate, exploring drone warfare, chatbots as companions, and the alien moral landscape of machine learning. Ultimately, Holsinger insists that moral responsibility around the use of AI lies with us, no matter how powerful artificial intelligence becomes. 

    We last spoke with Bruce Holzinger in 2022 about his climate change themed novel, The Displacements. His new novel spurs the reader to consider the ethical and emotional consequences of the use of AI by the deeply flawed human beings who shape it. 

    Topics

    AI ethics • Family and responsibility • The trolley problem • Moral philosophy in fiction • Drone warfare and automation • Chatbots and loneliness • Parenthood and fear • The black box of AI • Alignment problem • Culpability and human agency

    Segment Two: Elizabeth George

    In A Slowly Dying CauseElizabeth George brings Inspector Lynley and Detective Sergeant Barbara Havers back in a story that begins far from London — in the rugged landscapes of Cornwall. The novel intertwines a murder investigation with a study of the consequences of obsessive love and unresolved grief.

    As George explains, the title refers to a line from King Lear and reflects the struggle to let go of grief’s “cause.” The book’s dual narrative follows Michael, a tin miner whose secrets surface after his death, and Lynley and Havers, whose loyalty and differences continue to define one of the most beloved partnerships in crime fiction.

    George also shares her meticulous creative process: building layered characters, tracking storylines with color-coded notes, and revising through multiple drafts until the intricate web of clues and emotions fully coheres.

    Topics

    Inspector Lynley series • Class and gender in crime fiction • Grief and redemption • Setting as character • Character-driven mysteries • Writing process and structure • Humor in dark fiction • Environmental themes (Cornish mining and lithium extraction)

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    20 November 2025, 9:15 pm
  • 57 minutes 21 seconds
    The Wisdom of the Wild: Adam Nicolson on BIRD SCHOOL & Isabella Tree on Rewilding

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    This week on Writer’s Voice, we turn our attention to the living world—and our place within it.

    First, writer Adam Nicolson joins us to talk about his luminous new book, Bird School: A Beginner in the Wood. It’s the story of how he built a shed in his Sussex woods and spent two years learning from the birds who shared it with him. In the process, Nicolson discovered not just the intelligence of birds, but also a new way of seeing the world—a way that erases the hard line between humans and nature.

    “To tend to the reality of the birds’ minds is to find yourself in a completely renewed world.” — Adam Nicholson

    Then we replay an excerpt from my 2020 interview with Isabella Tree, author of Wilding: The Return of Nature. Nicolson counts her as a friend and fellow traveler in reimagining how we live with the natural world.

    We’ve grown up with a picture-postcard idea of beauty—neat edges, canalized rivers, everything controlled. We’re just beginning to understand that it’s not sustainable.” — Isabella Tree

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    Key Words: Adam Nicolson, Bird School, birds, ecology, wildlife observation, biodiversity, Writer’s Voice podcast, Isabella Tree, Wilding, Knepp Estate, rewilding, biodiversity, habitat restoration,

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    Segment One: Adam Nicholson

    Adam Nicolson’s Bird School began with a dead raven on a Cretan roadside—and a realization that he’d been “blind and deaf” to the birds that lived around him. Determined to learn, he built an octagonal hide on his farm, complete with nest boxes in its walls, and spent two years quietly sharing space with birds, bats, and dormice.

    Through that experience, Nicolson came to see birds not as objects of study but as fellow beings whose lives mirror our own in complexity, deceit, love, and song. He challenges the cultural notion that humans are separate from nature, proposing instead what he calls “fuzziness”—a recognition of the continuous flow between ourselves and the living world.

    The conversation ranges from the intelligence of birdsong and the ethics of bird feeding to the return of ravens after a century’s absence, signaling the restoration of ecological wholeness.

    Topics

    Bird observation • Human–nature connection • Philosophy of nature • Birdsong and intelligence • Cultural ecology • Fuzziness and “the severing” • Intermediate disturbance hypothesis • Repair vs. rewilding • Language and perception • Ethical bird feeding

    Segment Two: Isabella Tree

    In this archival segment, Wilding author Isabella Tree describes how she and her husband transformed their intensively farmed estate at Knepp Estate into a thriving ecosystem by letting natural processes take over. Using free-roaming herbivores to mimic the ecological roles of extinct megafauna, they discovered how “scrub”—once dismissed as wasteland—is a keystone habitat supporting birds, insects, and mammals.

    Tree reflects on how cultural aesthetics of control blinded us to true ecological beauty, and how witnessing the return of nightingales and other wildlife changed even her skeptical neighbors’ minds.

    Topics

    Rewilding • Ecological restoration • Biodiversity • Thorny scrub habitats • Changing aesthetics of nature • Farmland transformation • Wildlife revival

    14 November 2025, 8:22 pm
  • 59 minutes 24 seconds
    Ben Passmore on Black Resistance & David Baron on the Martian Craze

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    In our first segment, comic artist Ben Passmore takes us on a time-bending, darkly funny journey through more than a century of Black resistance in his graphic history Black Arms to Hold You Up. It’s a story of struggle, rebellion, and what liberation really means when the fight never ends.

    “We’re in a life-or-death struggle, and I think we need to accept that.” — Ben Passmore

    Then, science journalist David Baron joins us to talk about The Martians — the true story of how turn-of-the-(last)-century America fell in love with the idea of life on Mars. From telescopes to tabloid headlines, Baron shows how our dreams of other worlds reveal who we really are.

    “It was a time of great unrest… and so the idea that maybe Earth was clearly turning out not to be a very perfect place — and that maybe there was a better civilization on the planet next door — really captured the public’s imagination.” — David Baron

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    Key Words: Writer’s Voice, Francesca Rheannon, Ben Passmore, David Baron, Black Arms to Hold You Up, The Martians, graphic novels, civil rights, alien craze, Black resistance, Mars, Percival Lowell, H.G. Wells, podcast author interview,

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    Segment One: Ben Passmore

    In his groundbreaking graphic history Black Arms to Hold You Up, Ben Passmore reimagines the past century of Black liberation struggles through his distinctive art and narrative voice.

    From the tragedy of Philando Castile to the heroism and contradictions of figures like Robert F. Williams and Assata Shakur, Passmore explores how movements evolve — and how humor, art, and honesty sustain resistance across generations.

    Key Topics:

    • Black resistance from 1900 to 2020
    • The tension between nonviolence and armed self-defense
    • COINTELPRO, internal contradictions, and misleadership
    • Preserving Black history amid state erasure
    • Hope, exhaustion, and the spiritual dimensions of liberation

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    Segment Two: David Baron

    Segment Summary:
    In The Martians, journalist David Baron revisits the early 1900s, when Americans — including scientists, inventors, and the press — became convinced that life on Mars had been discovered.

    At the center of this cultural fever was wealthy astronomer Percival Lowell, whose theory of Martian canals captivated the public and launched both a scientific controversy and a literary genre. Baron traces how imagination, media, and science merged in a story that still shapes our fascination with Mars — and ourselves.

    Key Topics:

    • Percival Lowell and the Martian canals
    • The role of yellow journalism and public imagination
    • Nikola Tesla’s “signals from Mars”
    • H.G. Wells and the birth of science fiction
    • Science, myth, and belief in the modern age
    • Lessons about imagination, evidence, and scientific humility

    9 November 2025, 12:12 am
  • 1 hour 5 minutes
    Cory Doctorow on Big Tech’s “Enshittification” & Bill McKibben on Solar Hope for the Planet

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    This episode of Writer’s Voice features two leading voices confronting the defining challenges of the 21st century — corporate monopolization and climate breakdown.

    • Cory Doctorow, author of Enshittification, reveals the hidden mechanics behind the digital decay of our online platforms — how they move from serving users to exploiting them, and what systemic reforms, from antitrust enforcement to tech worker unions, can reverse the trend.
    • Bill McKibben, author of Here Comes The Sun, shares an unexpectedly hopeful vision for the climate movement, documenting how plummeting solar and wind costs are reshaping economies worldwide and creating a moral turning point for civilization itself.

    Together, these conversations show that both the digital and planetary crises share a root cause — the concentration of power — and that the path forward lies in collective action, technological democratization, and the reclaiming of our common future.

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    Key Words: Cory Doctorow, enshittification, Big Tech, Amazon, Google, Facebook, antitrust, AI bubble, Electronic Frontier Foundation, EFA, digital rights, surveillance capitalism, Bill McKibben, Here Comes The Sun, climate change, renewable energy, solar power, wind energy, batteries, climate justice, energy transition, balcony solar, climate hope

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    Segment One: Cory Doctorow — “Enshittification”

    Cory Doctorow unpacks the viral term he coined — enshittification — and the systemic forces that make once-beloved platforms like Amazon, Google, and Facebook “turn to crap.” He explains the three-stage process by which tech companies exploit users, businesses, and workers; how weakened antitrust enforcement and regulatory capture enabled the digital monopolies; and why true resistance requires organized collective action — not just individual boycotts.

    Publishers, users, advertisers — everyone’s getting it in the neck. That’s the third stage of enshittification.” — Cory Doctorow

    He calls for stronger labor organizing among tech workers, international trade reforms that liberate users from proprietary tech restrictions, and a cultural shift away from “voting with our wallets” toward building movements for digital rights.

    Topics

    Digital monopolies • Platform decay • Antitrust • Monopsony • Labor rights in tech • AI hype cycle • Policy reform • Collective organizing • Electronic Frontier Foundation • Digital rights activism

    Segment Two: Bill McKibben — “Here Comes The Sun”

    Bill McKibben, one of the world’s most influential climate voices, returns with a message of hard-won optimism. In Here Comes The Sun, he argues that the falling cost of solar and wind power represents a “fresh chance for civilization.” For the first time, humanity has a scalable, affordable tool to curb the climate crisis.

    We’re seeing a faster energy transition than we’ve ever seen before with any fuel.” — Bill McKibben

    McKibben outlines breakthrough examples — from California’s renewable tipping point to Pakistan’s citizen-led solar revolution — and explains how clean energy could decentralize power, undermine authoritarianism, and foster a more equitable world. He also warns that political backsliding under Trump threatens U.S. leadership and risks ceding economic primacy to China, even as global solar deployment accelerates.

    Topics

    Renewable energy revolution • Solar economics • Climate hope • Fossil fuel phase-out • Global energy transition • Geopolitics of solar • Just transition • Battery storage • Permitting reform • Third Act activism • Balcony solar • Citizen movements

    2 November 2025, 11:10 pm
  • 57 minutes 53 seconds
    Edward Wong on China’s Imperial Past and Present: AT THE EDGE OF EMPIRE

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    In this episode of Writer’s Voice, we talk with Edward Wong, diplomatic correspondent for The New York Times and former Beijing bureau chief, about his new book At the Edge of Empire: A Family’s Reckoning with China.

    Part memoir, part history, and part frontline reporting, the book traces Wong’s journey to uncover his father’s hidden past in Mao’s China, his family’s divided loyalties between Communist and American ideals, and what those personal histories reveal about China’s trajectory under Xi Jinping.

    “I realized that much of my father’s experiences living in China under Mao sort of set the stage for the rule of the Communist Party later in the years I was witnessing it.” — Edward Wong

    From the trauma of revolution and famine to the nationalism driving China’s global ambitions today, Wong shows us the direct line between Mao’s authoritarian rule and the tightening grip of Xi’s regime.

    And he asks a question that resonates far beyond China: what does this story tell us about the dangers of authoritarianism in our own time?

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    Key Words: Edward Wong interview, At the Edge of Empire, Mao Zedong, Xi Jinping, Chinese authoritarianism, Uyghurs, Tibet, state capitalism, Chinese history, climate policy China, modern China politics, Chinese empire, Writer’s Voice podcast

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    Episode Summary

    journalist Edward Wong discusses his book At the Edge of Empire: A Family’s Reckoning with China. Through the intertwined histories of his father’s life in Mao’s army and his own decades reporting for The New York Times in China, Wong explores how personal and national histories mirror one another.

    He examines the Communist Party’s consolidation of power under Mao, the enduring trauma of the Great Leap Forward, and the reemergence of authoritarian rule under Xi Jinping. From the battlefields of Korea to the surveillance states of today, Wong shows how China’s imperial ambitions—old and new—continue to shape its politics and the world order.

    Key Topics

    • Family and generational memory in modern Chinese history
    • Mao’s revolution and the Great Leap Forward
    • Xi Jinping’s consolidation of power and authoritarianism
    • State capitalism and economic reform in China
    • The Uyghur repression and imperial control of Xinjiang and Tibet
    • China’s global ambitions and U.S.-China relations
    • Climate change, coal dependency, and green innovation
    • The resilience and adaptability of authoritarian regimes

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    24 October 2025, 6:20 pm
  • 57 minutes 52 seconds
    Lives on the Margin: Evanthia Bromiley’s CROWN and Judy Karofsky’s DISELDERLY CONDUCT

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    In this episode of Writer’s Voice, we hear from two authors illuminating the human cost of broken systems — one through fiction, the other through investigative memoir.

    In the first half of the show, we speak with Evanthia Bromiley about her haunting and lyrical debut novel Crown. It follows three days in the life of a single mother and her nine-year-old twins as they face eviction in the scorching landscape of the American Southwest — a meditation on poverty, love, and resilience in a society that too often looks away.

    “Everything here finds a way to grow through what is broken.” — Evanthia Bromiley

    Then, in the second half, we turn from fiction to fact with Judy Karofsky , whose book DisElderly Conduct: The Flawed Business of Assisted Living and Hospice exposes how an unregulated eldercare industry is failing our most vulnerable — the elderly and their families. She shares her own story of trying to find adequate care for her own mother as the latter entered her final years.

    “Civilizations are judged by how we take care of the elderly. And right now, we are not doing a good job.” — Judy Karofsky

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    Key Words: Evanthia Bromiley Crown, Judy Karovsky Diselderly Conduct, Writer’s Voice podcast, Francesca Rheannon interviews, fiction about poverty, homelessness in literature, assisted living crisis, hospice industry corruption, eldercare reform, private equity in healthcare

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    Segment One: Evanthia Bromiley

    Evanthia Bromiley’s novel Crown traces three days leading up to a young mother’s eviction in the desert Southwest. As Jude and her nine-year-old twins face homelessness, they cling to each other — and to the imagination that allows them to find beauty amid despair. Bromiley talks about poverty, motherhood, and how “the poetry of poverty” shapes the texture of her prose.

    Key Topics

    • Eviction and economic precarity
    • The intersection of poverty and motherhood
    • Writing authentically without sentimentality
    • The use of structure and white space in fiction
    • Finding beauty and hope amid hardship

    Segment Two: Judy Karofsky

    Author Judy Karofsky exposes the dark underbelly of the assisted living and hospice industry, drawing on her harrowing experience caring for her mother through six facilities.

    Karofsky details systemic neglect, lack of regulation, and exploitation of immigrant workers in a for-profit eldercare system dominated by private equity. Her book is both a personal memoir and a call to action for reforming how America cares for its elders.

    Key Topics

    • The rise and privatization of assisted living
    • The exploitation of immigrant caregivers
    • Ageism and neglect in eldercare
    • The lack of federal regulation and oversight
    • The moral and civic duty to care for the elderly
    19 October 2025, 6:35 pm
  • 58 minutes 13 seconds
    Ross Halperin on BEAR WITNESS: Fighting Gang Violence & Restoring Justice in A Violent Land

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    Today, a gripping story of courage, faith, and friendship in one of the most dangerous countries on Earth. Ross Halperin joins us to talk about his extraordinary book Bear Witness: The Pursuit of Justice in a Violent Land. It’s the true story of two men — an American missionary and a Honduran teacher — who took on the gangs, corruption, and impunity that plague Honduras, one of the most violent nations in the world. Together, they built a radical experiment in justice that dared to succeed where governments failed.

    “They didn’t want to be hypocrites. They didn’t want to be like these other gringos that come down here and live behind gates and have drivers and security guards. They wanted to live with and like the people they wanted to help.” — Ross Halperin

    Then, we air a clip from our 2023 interview with Jeff Sharlet about his book The Undertow, which examines the spread of rightwing ideology among the masses and the new fascist movement it’s spurred.

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    Key Words: Ross Halperin, Bear Witness, Kurt Ver Beek, Carlos Hernández, Association for a More Just Society, ASJ, Honduras violence, gang violence, U.S. drug policy, narco-trafficking, Jeff Sharlet, Christian nationalism, rightwing extremism

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    Segment One: Ross Halperin

    In Bear Witness: The Pursuit of Justice in a Violent Land, journalist Ross Halperin tells the astonishing true story of Kurt Ver Beek and Carlos Hernández, two men who risked everything to confront gang violence and systemic corruption in Honduras.

    From the slums of Tegucigalpa to the halls of power, they waged an improbable crusade for justice, building a grassroots model for solving murders and restoring faith in law where impunity once reigned.

    In this interview, Halperin shares how he stumbled upon this story, the moral dilemmas his subjects faced, and what their work reveals about courage, compassion, and the fragile hope for justice in a violent world.

    Key Topics

    • Gang violence and impunity in Honduras
    • U.S. policies fueling Central American violence
    • Grassroots justice and community policing
    • Vigilantism and moral dilemmas in law enforcement
    • Faith-based activism and moral courage
    • The Association for a More Just Society (ASJ)
    • Prison reform and human rights in Latin America
    • Cross-cultural friendship and collaboration

    10 October 2025, 12:07 am
  • 1 hour 4 minutes
    Reality Winner on I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY: The Intercept’s Betrayal, Trump’s Double Standard, and the Egregious Espionage Act

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    Today, a remarkable conversation with Reality Winner, the NSA whistleblower who leaked proof of Russian interference in the 2016 election and paid for it with the harshest sentence ever imposed under the Espionage Act.

    Reality Winner’s new memoir, I Am Not Your Enemy, tells the story of what led her to leak the document, the fallout from her arrest, and what her arrest tells us about our military-industrial complex — and our eroding democracy.

    “Depending on where you are on the totem pole will determine how you fare once charged with a crime — or if you’re even charged with a crime in the first place.”

    She speaks about how her punishment compared with the leniency shown to elites like Donald Trump and David Petraeus, and why the Espionage Act is uniquely unjust. Plus — an explosive revelation about why Winner believes The Intercept deliberately exposed her as their source.

    “Everything that happened to me following the sending of the document to The Intercept was by design.”

    We spend the hour with Reality Winner in a deeply revealing conversation you don’t want to miss.

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    Key Words: Reality Winner, I Am Not Your Enemy, NSA whistleblower, The Intercept, Espionage Act, Russian election interference, whistleblower prosecution, Donald Trump classified documents, national security leaks, government secrecy

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    Episode Summary

    Reality Winner opens up about her motivations for joining the Air Force, her moral struggle with U.S. military policy, and the trauma of watching war unfold from the inside. She explains how, in a moment of fear and outrage, she leaked an NSA report proving Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    In this interview, she delivers three explosive insights:

    1. The Intercept’s betrayal: Winner claims the outlet didn’t just make mistakes, but deliberately exposed her to boost their own profile: “Everything that happened to me following the sending of the document to The Intercept was by design.”
    2. Double standards in justice: She contrasts her four-year sentence with the impunity of elites like Donald Trump, Biden, or Petraeus for far graver breaches: “Depending on where you are on the totem pole will determine how you fare once charged with a crime — or if you’re even charged with a crime in the first place.”
    3. The Espionage Act’s injustice: Winner highlights how the Act uniquely ignores both intent and impact: “It is one of the only laws in the entire United States judicial history that intent, criminal intent, does not need to be proven.”

    She also describes her arrest, the FBI’s tactics, her harrowing time in prison, and her continuing journey of healing.

    Key Topics

    • NSA whistleblowing & Russian election interference
    • The Intercept’s handling of leaks
    • Double standards in national security prosecutions
    • The Espionage Act and its lack of intent requirement
    • Military culture and disillusionment from within
    • Prison, resilience, and healing after incarceration

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    3 October 2025, 12:05 am
  • 58 minutes 27 seconds
    SCIENCE UNDER SIEGE & BURNED BY BILLIONAIRES: Michael Mann and Chuck Collins on Defending Truth and Democracy

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    Today, we look at two urgent threats to our world: the assault on science and the concentration of wealth.

    First, climate scientist Michael E. Mann talks about the book he co-authored with infectious disease expert Dr. Peter Hotez, Science Under Siege: How to Fight the Five Most Powerful Forces that Threaten Our World. It’s a guide to defending truth, evidence, and reason against disinformation and attacks on science.

    “If we lose our ability to have shared facts, we lose our ability to have democracy.” — Michael Mann

    Then, author and inequality scholar Chuck Collins joins us to discuss his book Burned by Billionaires: How Concentrated Wealth and Power Are Ruining Our Lives and Planet. He reveals how a handful of billionaires manipulate markets, politics, and culture — and what we can do to fight back.

    “Extreme wealth is destabilizing our democracy.” — Chuck Collins

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    Key Words: Michael Mann, Peter Hotez, Science Under Siege, disinformation, threats to democracy, attacks on science, climate denial, vaccine denial, Chuck Collins, Burned by Billionaires, wealth inequality, billionaire class, oligarchy, democracy under threat, economic justice, concentrated wealth

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    Segment 1: Michael Mann

    Mann explains how five forces — including disinformation, authoritarianism, and corporate greed — threaten both science and democracy. He and Dr. Peter Hotez argue for equipping citizens with the tools to recognize and resist these assaults.

    Key Topics:

    • Attacks on science and truth
    • Disinformation campaigns
    • Threats to democracy
    • Climate denial and vaccine denial parallels
    • Building resilience against propaganda

    Segment 2: Chuck Collins

    Chuck Collins shines a light on the outsized influence of billionaires over our economy, politics, and culture — and how concentrated wealth threatens both fairness and sustainability. He calls for systemic reforms to rein in oligarchic power.

    Key Topics:

    • Billionaire wealth concentration
    • Oligarchic influence in politics and policy
    • Inequality and its impact on democracy
    • Economic justice and systemic reform
    • Building movements to counter wealth concentration

    Next Week on Writer’s Voice:

    We talk with NSA whistleblower Reality Winner, who leaked classified documents about Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential election, about her memoir, I AM NOT YOUR ENEMY.

    And don’t forget to check out the podcast I host for Changehampton.org, Changehampton Presents: Changing The World, One Yard At A Time.

    26 September 2025, 4:31 pm
  • 1 hour 4 minutes
    HOW TO SAVE THE AMAZON & ARCTIC PASSAGES: Andrew Fishman on Dom Phillips’ Legacy & Kieran Mulvaney on Climate and Power in the Far North

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    Episode Summary

    This week on Writer’s Voice, two stories from the planet’s frontlines: the Amazon rainforest and the Arctic ice. Two urgent stories from Earth’s frontlines — and why they matter for us all.

    Journalist Andrew Fishman joins us to talk about completing the last book by Dom Phillips, How To Save The Amazon: A Journalist’s Deadly Quest for Answers. Phillips was murdered in 2022 for reporting on the destruction of the rainforest — and this book is his legacy.

    “Dom’s idea was to answer the question: what do we need to do to save the Amazon?” — Andrew Fishman

    Then we head north with writer Kieran Mulvaney. His book Arctic Passages: Ice, Exploration, and the Battle for Power at the Top of the World uncovers how centuries of ambition and today’s climate crisis are colliding in the Arctic.

    “[The Arctic] is both a frontline of climate change and a frontline of geopolitics.” — Kieran Mulvaney

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    Key Words: Andrew Fishman, Dom Phillips, How To Save The Amazon, Amazon rainforest, deforestation, Indigenous rights, environmental journalism, climate change, Kieran Mulvaney, Arctic Passages, Arctic exploration, climate crisis, polar regions, environmental justice.

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    Segment 1: Andrew Fishman on Dom Phillips

    Dom Phillips dedicated his life to uncovering the truth about the Amazon — its beauty, its people, and the forces tearing it apart. In 2022, he paid the ultimate price when he was murdered while reporting in the forest. His final book, How To Save The Amazon, was completed by journalist Andrew Fishman along with a team of fellow journalists.

    The book investigates the forces driving deforestation—agribusiness, illegal logging, mining, and organized crime—and highlights the activists and Indigenous communities defending the forest. It’s part investigation, part call to action — and it asks the question at the heart of our survival: what must we do to save the Amazon?

    Key Topics

    • Dom Phillips’ legacy and life’s work.
    • The dangers faced by journalists covering the Amazon.
    • Agribusiness, organized crime, and government complicity.
    • Indigenous resistance and global responsibility.
    • Why saving the Amazon is essential to confronting climate change.

    Read A Sample from How To Save The Amazon

    Segment 2: Kieran Mulvaney

    From the lush green of the Amazon we travel to the frozen white of the Arctic — a region warming four times faster than the rest of the planet.

    In his book Arctic Passages, writer Kieran Mulvaney traces the history of and present-day conflicts in the Arctic, from the perilous journeys of early explorers to a high-stakes arena of global power struggles in one of the harshest environments on Earth.

    As the ice melts at alarming rates, the Arctic has become both a bellwether of climate change and a battleground for nations seeking power and resources.

    Key Topics

    • The myth and reality of Arctic exploration.
    • How the melting Arctic signals the climate emergency.
    • The military and political scramble for Arctic dominance.
    • Indigenous communities and ecological resilience.
    • Lessons the Arctic holds for the future of the planet.

    Next Week on Writer’s Voice

    We’ll be talking with world-renowned climate scientist Michael Mann about the new book he’s co-authored with infectious disease specialist Dr. Peter Hotez, Science Under Siege. It’s all part of our programming for Climate Week starting September 20. Don’t miss it!

    18 September 2025, 8:58 pm
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