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Deb Liu is one of the most decorated women in tech. She spent 12 years at Facebook where she founded Facebook Marketplace, rose to VP, and then became CEO of Ancestry.com. She has 4 million+ views on her Substack, she's a board member of Poshmark and Intuit. She is simply built different!

In this episode we get into:

→ how Facebook Marketplace launched and immediately got a New York Times headline about drugs, guns, and baby hedgehogs 💀

→ the invisible rules of power and influence that nobody tells you before you walk into a room

→ if work feels misaligned you might just need to be repotted 🪴

→ how to hold high standards as a leader without traumatizing everyone around you

→ when to persist, pivot, or quit (and why quitting is actually the first chapter of her new book)

→ why ambition without joy becomes brittle

this is the episode I have been wanting to make since I started Office Drama. Deb is one of those people who has an answer for every question because she has genuinely lived and reflected on such a variety of experiences in her life. This episode is true hopecore and Deb somehow makes you feel like everything is going to be okay 🥺

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Ellie Rui got promoted every single year of her career. Six years at Microsoft, from new grad PM to Principal, and now she's a beloved senior PM at Netflix. Her answer for how is simpler than you’d think: hard work doesn't paint the full picture. We get into what actually drives fast career growth, how one great manager changed the trajectory of her entire career, and how the PM landscape is changing faster than ever.

In this ep, we talk about:

→ how she got promoted every single year for six years

→ what a great manager actually does for your career

→ what separates junior, senior, and principal PMs

→ whether AI will actually replace PMs

→ why new grads should pick startups over big tech right now

→ and how to be likeable at work!

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Creators got CANCELED for attending an AI brand trip...and we're finally addressing it. 🫣

Today, I have the privilege of hosting Megan Lieu (data science + tech creator) on Office Drama to uncover what really went down on that trip and what it was actually like as a creator "getting canceled".

I've worked professionally in Trust & Safety. I'm passionate about tech ethics, creator industries, and how we all should work together. And I really hope we can actually have constructive conversations on this platform that may push cultural, product, and policy changes for the better.

It's very daunting as a female creator to address a situation like this, so I hope we can show up with empathy, curiosity, and constructive dialogue together. 🫶 Thank you for always making me feel safe to speak up.

In this ep, we talk about:

→ what actually happened on the brand trip

→ the video Megan posted and the moment she realized it was going sideways

→ how the press reaches out when they already know the angle they want

→ why this trip hit a nerve when other AI brand trips didn't

→ why the women creators took the brunt of the backlash

→ how brands and creators should actually give each other feedback

→ where tech creators sit between Silicon Valley's echo chamber and everyone else

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Half of 2026 is officially over... and I've never felt this behind in my career. 😅

In today's episode of Office Drama, I'm doing my mid-year review out loud: what went wrong, what I'm scared of, and the 6 commitments I'm making so December-me doesn't have to go through the same existential disappointment.

Today, we talk about:

→ Why I felt so behind at the half-year mark of 2026

→ The motherhood penalty: how does it impact your career? 👀

→ A mutual creator who lost 10,000 followers overnight after announcing her pregnancy

→ "Would you rather be pregnant or successful?" and why I don't want to choose!

→ My 6 commitments I want us to try for the rest of 2026

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We've heard time and time again about the burnt out tech employee who quits a stable job to chase the dream. This time we're exploring the reverse!

Daniel "Tafo" Lee has lived more careers than I can count on two hands. JPL engineer, coach to Melee god Mang0, Yahoo Esports show host, CLG General Manager, the internet's Tetris teacher, Web3 economist, Andreessen Horowitz, and now, at 37, starting over in big tech. He's no stranger to the creator economy and his honest take on who should actually pursue it might save you five years of your life.

In this ep, we talk about:

→ how he coached a Melee god while working full time at NASA JPL

→ the ultimatum from his wife that finally made him quit and move to Esports

→ why 90% of streamers won't make it, and why minimum wage might be the better option

→ betting on yourself at 37: relearning how to code from scratch in the AI era

→ and how becoming a dad made him reevaluate the value of his time

This episode is for anyone who's ever been told to follow their passion and quietly wondered if that advice is a trap. Tafo is proof that the real flex isn't dying on one hill but maybe knowing when to walk away towards the next one.

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Nobody tells you that when you get cast on MasterChef, you get to choose three people to fly out as your friends and family. Jaime (  @igumdrop  ) chose Aria (  @AriaSaki  ) , Kimi (  @AngelsKimi  ) and I, and we spent a week on set with NO phones, 7AM call times, and a front-row seat to watching her cook on the biggest stage of her life.

In this ep, we talk about:

→ why Jaime almost went alone

→ the mandolin accident that didn't make it to air

→ what Gordon Ramsay is ACTUALLY like

→ the moment Aria destroyed a MasterChef contestant

→ what traditional TV gets right that creators don't

→ why chasing perfection as a creator isn't sustainable

→ the narratives that get rewritten about women in gaming and streaming

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Over the past decade, Jaime (@iGumdrop) has built a 2M+ following, founded her own successful clothing brand, dropped out of college to pursue streaming, and now she's on the cast of Season 16 of MasterChef!

In this week's episode of Office Drama, we get into the version of the story you don't see on TV.

In this ep, we talk about:

→ why she almost said no to MasterChef

→ what it's like to be on the cast of MasterChef

→ the insane reality TV background check nobody warns you about

→ what Gordon Ramsay is ACTUALLY like in person

→ the roti canai controversy

→ the truth about agents, managers, and the people you work with as a creator

→ why "the interview never matters" and what she actually hires on

→ how she skipped the 5-year plan and went straight to a deathbed plan

This episode is for anyone who's ever been underestimated, boxed into one version of themselves, or scared to take the leap because they might look like a fool. Jaime is one of the most earnest, chaotic, hilarious people I know, and watching her bet on herself, publicly, after ten years of quietly putting in the work is exactly the kind of story I started this show to tell.

→ Find Jaime:

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Rosie Nguyen is the Head of Creators at Suno, the world's leading AI music company. Before that she co-founded Fanhouse, joined Cantina, and went viral more times than I can count. She's bright, passionate, and comes into this episode with so many wild stories and experiences.

In this ep, we talk about:

→ growing up on food stamps and supporting immigrant parents

→ getting demoted at her own company, then watching it get sold behind her back

→ the phone call that saved her life

→ going viral again and again and the attention that brings online

→ why her current era makes her prouder than raising $20 million ever did

This one is for anyone who's ever been underestimated, flattened into one dimension, or had to rebuild from zero. Rosie is one of the most earnest and hilarious people I know, and this convo originally went almost THREE hours.

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Sophia is one of my best friends, the officiant of my wedding, and one of the most cracked marketers I know. She's led campaigns at Airbnb, Databricks, and ElevenLabs. She won Best Dance Film at the LA Film Awards. She's also going through her biggest plot twist yet: leaving tech to pursue her art. Full time. For good. 🙂‍↕️

In this episode, we talk about:

→ why AI will never replace storytelling, taste, and human connection

→ her honest take on the job market, what 20-somethings are getting wrong, and what a great interview actually looks like

→ how she faced being belittled in by an interim CMO who said they need someone "more senior" when she led the campaign all along

This one is for anyone who has done everything right and still felt like they were playing it too safe. Sophia is the most elegant proof I know that the pivot you're scared of might be the one you were always supposed to make.

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It's been ~2 years since I've been laid off from my dream job at @Discord, and the most COMMON question you've asked me is: "Have you matched or beaten your tech salary after becoming a creator?"

I never liked this question because it's sincerely not apples to apples. I also dislike it when creators say "I made my corporate salary in 1 brand deal!!" Because there are SO many nuances, caveats, tradeoffs, and financial implications when choosing between both paths. But I finally break that down in today's episode of Office Drama.

Today, we get UNFILTERED and talk about:

→ How I overcame feeling like a failure after getting laid off

→ How I felt comparing myself to friends in tech/corporate

→ Whether my creator salary matched or beat my tech salary 👀

→ How pregnancy and family planning impacts everything

→ How I actually figured out how to pivot my career (with my Life PRD)

I really don't think these conversations can fit into a 1 min short form video or a 10 min YouTube video, so I hope you enjoy this real, brutally honest breakdown of what it was like going from tech to content to media.

p.s. please excuse the lighting changes in this one! 🫶

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