In this bonus episode of Face-Off Jane speaks with former ambassador to China, Nicholas Burns. They discuss Ambassador Burns’ encounters with the Chinese leader Xi Jinping, his meetings with American CEOs, and his travels to remote places in China. 

BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS:

To Change China, by Jonathan D. Spence

The Private Life of Chairman Mao, by Zhi-Sui Li

Chip Wars, by Chris Miller

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In a special bonus episode recorded live at the Asia Society, host Jane Perlez speaks with journalist and scholar Orville Schell about his 50 years covering Chinese leaders and their American counterparts. They attempt to answer the question: how did we get here?

Recorded live at The Asia Society on April 8, 2025

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China and Russia have rarely been friendly - until now. Xi and Putin have been open about their bromance, exchanging gifts, sharing lavish dinners, even celebrating a birthday together. Are the two dictators, Xi and Putin, aiming to forge a new arrangement in the world that diminishes the traditional role of the United States? Our guest, Lyle Goldstein, former professor at US Naval War College, and now teaching at Brown University, is an expert on China and Russia. He talks about the new order under President Trump, and how Russia and China, aligned with each other, approach the US in different ways.  

Guest: Lyle Goldstein: Former professor at US Naval War College, now at Brown University.

Book Recommendations: 

Crisis of Democratic Capitalism by Martin Wolf

China and Russia by Philip Snow. 

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China’s leader, Xi Jinping, has given China five years to dominate Artificial Intelligence. He believes China must accomplish this goal in order to become the world’s tech giant. But the United States is doing everything it can to stop China from reaching its goal. Can Washington stop US and European advanced chips from reaching China? It seems not, as the arrival of DeepSeek shows. Will AI development be throttled by the Chinese government’s heavy censorship? Can China achieve its goal? 

Guest: Karen Hao, journalist and engineer. Writing appears in The Atlantic, Wall Street Journal. Author of the upcoming Empire of AI. 

Book Recommendations: 

AI Superpowers: China, Silicon Valley and the New World Order by Kai-Fu Lee 

Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future by Reid Hoffman and Greg Beato

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Back in 2015 the Chinese government declared that they would become the world leader in EVs by 2025. Major car companies scoffed. Who wants an EV? Today, China automakers have surpassed Japan, Germany and the US to become the number one exporter of cars. A record number of Chinese EVs were sold globally last year. How did China become the global leader in EVs? We’ll talk with the man who literally wrote the book on the rise of China’s car industry. 

Guest: Michael Dunne, Auto executive in China and the US, author American Wheels, Chinese Roads.  

Books: Power Play: Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century by Tim Higgins.

Michael Dunne's new book will publish in mid-2025.

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China’s leader, Mao Zedong famously said that “Women hold up half the sky.” But these days it doesn’t feel that way in China. Unfair marriage rules, difficulties getting a divorce, barriers to owning property and many more restrictions are challenging women to speak out, and act. We’ll hear about the Chinese “leftover women” who are veering from the traditional path and about the Chinese feminists of today.

Guest:  Leta Hong Fincher, author, Left Over Women. 

Recommended Books:

Left Over Women: The Resurgence of Gender Inequality in China by Leta Hong Fincher

Tiananmen Square by Lai Wen

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Motion pictures first came to China in 1896.  China was one of the first countries to screen the Lumiere brother’s “western shadowplays” as they were called. By the 1930’s Shanghai was known as the Hollywood of the East. 

That all changed after the founding of the People’s Republic. Western films were eventually allowed back into China but it wasn’t until the release of the American epic, Titanic and its blockbuster success in China that Hollywood woke up to the potential of the Chinese market. Hollywood studios soon swarmed into China, working with Chinese movie makers to concoct big movies for big audiences: The Great Wall; Mulan; Kung Fu Panda 3. Then the dream went in a different direction.  We’ll speak with an American film producer who has been at the center of the push and pull between Hollywood and China.

Guest: Peter Loehr, American movie executive with three decades in China.

Recommended Books:

The Golden Screen by Jeff Yang

An Amorous History of the Silver Screen: Shanghai Cinema 1896 - 1937 by Zhang Zhen  

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More than 170 million Americans are entertained, informed and earn big bucks from the Chinese-owned app, TikTok. Now their relationship with TikTok is in mortal danger, to say the least. American politicians seem to be able to agree on one thing: TikTok is bad. What happens now, and how did Americans get hooked on TikTok in the first place. Trump used TikTok to great affect in his campaign. What’s his attitude to TikTok going forward? What’s happening to the potential American buyers of TikTok?

Guest: Louise Matsakis, senior business editor at Wired. Louise has been reporting on TikTok for more than four years.

Recommended Reads:

Love It; Hate It; Fear It: How TikTok Changed Our Culture by Sapna Maheshwani 

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There are few American journalists reporting from inside China today. But that has not always been the case. In fact, American journalists in China freely reported on one of the biggest stories of recent history: the Chinese army’s massacre of protestors in Tiananmen Square in 1989. In this episode, we talk to Richard Roth, a CBS correspondent who was there during the 1989 protests. We feature Lingling Wei, the distinguished Wall Street Journal correspondent who was kicked out of China, along with other American reporters. How are journalists today reporting on China from afar? At this vital time, how do we get on the ground reporting from China when we can’t be on the ground?  

Guest: Lingling Wei, Wall Street Journal, Chinese born journalist now in New York

Book Recommendations:

Assignment China: An Oral History of American Journalists in the People’s Republic by Mike Chinoy

Chasing Hope: A Reporter’s Life by Nicholas Kristof.

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Trump has praised Xi Jinping in the past. He’s also slapped tariffs on China. What does the return of Trump mean for China? Economic rivalry for sure. Possible war over Taiwan? A battle over AI dominance and confrontation over China’s rapidly expanding military force, also for sure. How will Trump stop China from usurping America’s place on the global stage?

Guest: Minxin Pei, Claremont College professor and China commentator.

Book Recommendations: 

The Red Emperor: Xi Jinping and His New China by Michael Sheridan. 

Xi Jinping: The Backlash by Richard McGregor.

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Season 2 of Face-Off: US vs China begins Tuesday, February 11.

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