Two days before this conversation, Sarah Jakes Roberts fractured her neck in three places jumping on a trampoline with her daughter.

Touré Roberts still showed up.

In this episode, Touré sits down with Lecrae hours after learning his wife wouldn't need emergency surgery — still processing the fear, still breaking down twice a day, still on a book tour. What he shares is raw, unfiltered, and completely different from anything you've seen from him on a stage.

They go deep on what it's really like to build a life and a ministry with Sarah, how Bishop Jakes' famous first question changed everything, and what Touré's new book Knowing: The Journey to Certainty in an Uncertain World has to say about finding clarity when everything around you is loud and uncertain.

Plus: the bullet that moved in his chest at 16, why he almost walked away from business to follow God, and the tension between being the man behind a rising force and knowing exactly who you are. _

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Tim Ross has been canceled. Accused of being in the Illuminati. Called out online. Lost a business partnership he thought God ordained. Watched a spiritual father go to prison. And somehow, he's the most unbothered man in the room. In this episode, Lecrae sits down with his blood relative and the founder of The Basement podcast for one of the most honest conversations the show has ever had. From surviving sexual abuse in Inglewood to stepping down from a 30-year pastoral career, from processing Robert Morris to writing a book his therapist says is worth two years of counseling — Tim Ross holds nothing back.

Tim's upbringing in Inglewood and how Gen X shaped his entire worldview. The "stripper pastor" controversy explained in his own words. Why he believes Jesus on the cross is the ultimate strip. 30 years of ministry and why he left his congregation. Processing Robert Morris's confession as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. Why visiting a man in prison is not the same as excusing what he did. The B-Side record label, why it ended, and the lesson about money that isn't confirmation from God. His new book and why you won't finish it if you're not ready to face yourself. Why online Christian culture is off-mission. What the critics of the church actually get right.

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Avery Austin Jr. — known online as GodLogic — has 500K+ subscribers and streams apologetics debates live three times a week. He grew up as a preacher's kid in Lancaster, California. Got ordained at 20. Got stumped by a Jehovah's Witness at a community college. And decided the whole church needed to get equipped.

In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae plays TikTok devil's advocate — throwing Islam's best arguments, Hebrew Israelite talking points, and the problem of evil at GodLogic live. He answers every single one.

They also go deep on: what happens to the souls you never hear from again, the gap between intellectual certainty and real faith, and what GodLogic prays for after every stream.

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John Bevere spent 40 years avoiding the end times. He thought it made people lazy, argumentative, and passive. Then God told him to study it — and after 1,000+ hours in Scripture, everything changed.

In this episode of The Deep End with Lecrae, John unpacks what he found: the Second Coming isn't an event to fear. It's a wedding to prepare for. And there's a mathematical case — built entirely from Scripture — that it's closer than most people realize. John breaks down why Jesus rebuked Jerusalem for missing the signs of His first coming, how the Dead Sea Scrolls upend everything you thought you knew about the Rapture, and the one Greek word that transforms anxiety about the end times into something far more powerful: eager expectation.

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DeVon Franklin is a Hollywood producer, preacher, and New York Times bestselling author. His credits include Miracles from Heaven, Breakthrough, Flamin' Hot, and The Pursuit of Happyness. He is the founder of DeVon Franklin Entertainment. His latest film, Ruth and Boaz, is streaming on Netflix now.

In this episode: DeVon's origin in East Oakland, how his father's death at nine years old became the fuel, what he told his congregation at 16, the Paramount deal collapse, the season with no deal after Flamin' Hot, burning the DeVon Franklin Universe pie chart, the Relationship Goals controversy and why he stands behind it, how life imitated art during Ruth and Boaz, the achievement addiction he finally broke, and an exclusive announcement on his next biblical film.

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Former Muslim, attorney, and apologist Abdu Murray spent nine years studying Islam, Christianity, philosophy, and history. By year two, he had enough evidence to convert. It took seven more years to act on it.

In this conversation, Abdu and Lecrae go deep on why the cross does not insult God's greatness. It proves it. They explore how identity in Middle Eastern culture can make leaving Islam feel impossible, which Quran passages pointed Abdu toward the Bible, and what his nine-year search looked like from the inside.

They also discuss the identity crisis AI is quietly accelerating, why cancel culture is really assassination culture with better branding, why many people are missing the point in the gender conversation, and what it means to answer a person instead of a question.

Abdu also shares, for the first time in this conversation, that his father was murdered in October 2024. What Abdu says about that moment, and how it reshaped the way Abdu sees the problem of evil, is worth the whole episode.

Topics covered: Islam and Christianity, the problem of evil, apologetics, identity and the imago Dei, AI and human worth, gender ideology, just war theory, deconstruction, and what it costs to tell the truth when your whole family is watching.

Abdu Murray is the founder of Embrace the Truth Ministry, author of Fake ID, and host of multiple podcasts reaching millions globally.

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Lecrae sits down with Michael Miller — co-host of Remnant Radio, church planter, and one of the most scripturally grounded voices in the deliverance space — to talk about what the Bible actually says about demons, healing, spiritual authority, and why the charismatic church keeps producing charlatans. No easy answers. No hype. Just a long, honest look at the stuff most pastors won't touch.

They get into: Michael's journey from a broken home with a Jewish mother and Mormon father to being discipled by Jack Deere. Why the cessationist argument doesn't hold up scripturally. What "demonization" actually means in Greek — and why "possession" is the wrong word. Whether Christians can have demons (spoiler: the early church didn't debate it). The Scottish border clan curse from 1525 that's still showing up in prayer sessions. How to tell a false prophet from a real one. Why prophecy is supposed to be local — and why the YouTube prophets keep getting it wrong. And Lecrae shares his own story: the name he kept praying over for weeks, the girl who couldn't walk, and what happened when he finally said it out loud.

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0:00 The First Demon He Ever Encountered

1:07 Introducing Michael Miller

4:42 A Jewish Mother, a Mormon Father, and a Hidden Bible

7:00 Why He Couldn't Handle the Pentecostal Packaging

8:25 Praying to Be Discipled by Jack Deere (And It Worked)

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11:30 Lecrae's Background: The Spooky Stuff Was Off Limits

13:56 Why Lecrae Started Digging Into the Supernatural

15:26 How Michael Got Grounded in Scripture on Spiritual Things

18:18 John Wimber Prayed for the Sick for Three Years With Nothing

20:03 The First Time Michael Actually Saw Something

23:10 The Night Before: He Was Frustrated With God

25:17 Who Believes in This and Who Doesn't

27:45 So When It Comes to Demons...

28:32 The Full Story: The Demon in South Africa

33:25 Why Did It Listen to You and Not Her?

38:07 Christian Authority Over Demons: It's Position, Not Gift

40:46 Can Christians Have Demons?

44:29 The Greek Word "Demonize" and Why It Changes Everything

46:56 What Tertullian Said (The Guy Who Invented the Word "Trinity")

49:25 The Scottish Border Clan Curse From 1525

54:09 What Makes a Curse Effective?

59:16 Why Michael Miller Is Not Afraid of Demons

1:01:48 The Woman in Austria: Endometriosis and What Happened Next

1:03:08 What Even Is a Demon? Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Where Things Get Weird

1:07:44 Lecrae Breaks Down His Charismatic Journey

1:09:13 How Do You Tell a False Prophet From a Real One?

1:11:22 The YouTube Prophets Are Getting It Wrong

1:16:13 Can the Charismatic Church Self-Correct?

1:18:38 What Do You Do If You Know the Gifts Are Real But Keep Seeing Abuse?

1:20:39 Make Prophecy Local Again: The Story of Sally

1:23:36 Lecrae's Own Story: The Name He Kept Hearing

1:28:32 Specific Prayers, Legal Rights, and When You Have to Name the Thing

1:33:24 The Woman in Denmark Who Was Living in Sin (And Didn't Know It)

1:37:18 Can Regular Friends Pray for Your Deliverance?

1:38:27 Where to Find Michael Miller

For three seasons, people have been asking the same question: what does Lecrae's wife actually think about all of this?

She said no every time. Until now.

Darragh Moore has been behind the scenes since before the music, before the Grammys, before any of it. She engineered his first album, supported him through clinical depression, sent him to the BET Cipher while she was in labor, and kept the family grounded while the world got louder. She's never needed the spotlight, and that's exactly why this conversation matters.

This is the episode Lecrae's audience has been waiting three seasons for.

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In this episode Lecrae goes deep on the Iran conflict from a spiritual lens nobody else is using. Not political. Not partisan. Just honest wrestling from a believer trying to figure out what it means to follow Jesus in a world that's always at war.

He breaks down the four frameworks Christians use to think about war, pacifism, just war, Christian nationalism, and peacemaking, and applies each one to what's happening right now. He reacts to the military commanders calling this a holy war, the Crusades parallel nobody wants to talk about, the White House TikTok that made him emotional, and the fact that the fastest growing church in the world is in the country we're bombing.

This isn't a news episode. It's a soul check.

Topics covered: Christian ethics of war, just war theory, pacifism, Christian nationalism, Pete Hegseth, end times theology, Ezekiel 38-39, the Iranian underground church, Russell Moore, Wendell Berry, what war does to the people watching it, kingdom over nation.

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Can demons read your minds? Do they possess people outright, or is it something more subtle? And what does any of this have to do with the Epstein files?

In Part 2 of this conversation, Lecrae and Dr. Joel Muddamalle go deeper into the unseen world, breaking down how demonic powers actually operate, what "entry points" really mean, and why the line between oppression and possession is less clear-cut than most Christians assume.

They also unpack Psalm 121, the geopolitical theology of Daniel 10, and why Paul's language for "powers and principalities" connects directly to the false gods of the Old Testament.

Plus, the underwater question you didn't see coming: outside of infidelity, is divorce ever justified?

Dr. Joel Muddamalle is the Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries and the author of The Unseen Battle.

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What if Genesis is way bigger than you were taught?

Not just Adam, Eve, and a talking snake — but fallen angels, half-human giants, divine councils, and a cosmic war that's still happening right now.

Dr. Joel Muddamalle (PhD, theologian, bestselling author of The Unseen Battle) sits down with Lecrae to break down what most Christians were never taught about Genesis 6, the Nephilim, the sons of God, the Book of Enoch, and why the ancient world understood the Bible in ways that would completely blow your modern mind.

This is Part 1. Part 2 gets into demons and their real-world impact.

In this episode:

• Why Genesis has 3 "falls", not just one
• Who the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 actually were
• The Nephilim: what they were, what happened to them, and whether remnants survived the flood
• The Divine Council worldview and the scholarship of Dr. Michael Heizer
• The Book of Enoch: what it is, why it matters, and why it's not in your Bible
• The Tower of Babel and where the gods of the nations came from
• Why the earliest church held views your pastor probably never mentioned
• The cosmic spiritual war behind the division you see in the world today

Dr. Joel Muddamalle is a PhD theologian, bestselling author, Director of Theology & Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries, co-host of Therapy & Theology, and a preaching team member at Transformation Church with Pastor Derwin Gray. His book The Unseen Battle is his doctoral dissertation turned into a resource for everyday believers.

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