In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with world-renowned Bible teacher, author, and activist Christine Caine. Christine opens up about her powerful journey from being an "unnamed" child in Australia to leading a global movement against human trafficking.

She dives deep into the reality of childhood trauma, the shocking discovery of her adoption at age 33, and how she learned to "rewire" her brain through the Word of God. Whether you are struggling with a "mother wound," navigating disappointment in church leadership, or feeling like you're in your own "Hell Week," this conversation offers a roadmap for moving from survival to a life of true, supernatural flourishing.

In this episode, we discuss:

• How to handle the "pain of recovery" after a life-altering injury or trauma.

• The difference between a "well-managed life" and a supernatural one.

• Why your history does not define your destiny.

• Practical wisdom for the next generation of leaders in a social media-driven world.

• Why the most fruitful decade of your life might still be ahead of you.

• A21 Campaign: a21.org — Learn how you can help abolish slavery everywhere, forever.

• Propel Women: Resources to help women activate their passion and purpose.

• New Book: The Faith to Flourish — Available now.

Subscribe for more deep conversations on faith, leadership, and culture. CHAPTER MARKERS

00:00 Introduction to Christine Caine

02:38 History of Trauma and Resilience

03:33 Growing Up in a Greek Immigrant Home

05:15 The Discovery of Adoption

08:11 Unnamed Number 2508: A Crisis of Identity

09:23 Renewing the Mind through Scripture

11:48 From Numbers to People: The Mission of A21

13:35 Seeking the Biological Mother

15:16 "I Don't Want Any Trouble": A Mother's Voice

19:23 The Pain of Recovery vs. The Pain of Injury

21:42 Breaking Cultural and Family Expectations

27:29 Marriage and Shared Purpose with Nick Caine

34:51 The Wheel and the Oil: Balancing Life

37:17 Avoiding a Well-Managed Life without God

40:51 Having the Faith to Flourish

44:56 Justice Work and the Hope of Christ

52:43 Hell Week: The Choice to Keep Running

57:21 The Danger of Tapping Out at 60

59:42 Navigating Church Failure and Disappointment

01:03:57 Responding Out of Wisdom, Not Wounding

01:14:36 Advice for the Social Media Generation

01:17:03 Deep End Questions: Misconceptions and Prisons

01:23:24 Preparing for the Most Fruitful Decade

01:27:54 Legacy and Handing Over the Baton of Faith

01:31:53 Resources to Help Fight Human Trafficking

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What does it really take to survive marriage, ministry, fame, mental health battles, and faith... all at the same time? In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with gospel icons, actors, and comedians David Mann and Tamela Mann for one of the most raw and honest conversations we've ever had. They open up about their nearly 40-year marriage, childhood trauma, poverty, blended family challenges, public scrutiny, depression, suicidal thoughts, and the faith that held them together when everything else was falling apart. From dumpster-diving as teenagers to standing ovations with Tyler Perry, from silent suffering to healing through therapy and prayer. This is survival, grace, repentance, forgiveness, and love that refuses to quit.

If you've ever wondered:

– How strong marriages are actually built

– What faith looks like in depression, not just success

– How to support a spouse who is drowning silently

– Why therapy and prayer are not enemies

– Or how God redeems the most painful chapters

This conversation is for you.

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Chapter Markers

00:00 – When success hides silent suffering

01:25 – Introducing David & Tamela Mann

03:59 – Authentic faith vs. church perfection

05:25 – How their friendship turned into marriage

07:58 – Singing together before fame

10:27 – Realizing adulthood and responsibility

14:23 – Falling in love through friendship

16:31 – Childhood trauma and broken homes

17:50 – Dumpster diving and survival

18:53 – Witnessing abuse and learning anger

21:03 – Choosing marriage when divorce felt easier

23:13 – The night the lights were shut off

26:24 – "The knock at the door" — discovering another child

30:02 – Choosing unity over jealousy

33:39 – Feeling alone inside marriage

37:08 – From Kirk Franklin to Tyler Perry

42:36 – When the worst career moment became the best

46:26 – Fame, generosity, and trauma behind the scenes

49:16 – Working together as husband and wife

55:03 – Depression, shame, and suicidal thoughts

58:11 – "Thousands watched me drown"

59:00 – A wife realizing she missed the warning signs

01:01:37 – Therapy, boundaries, and healing

01:04:29 – Faith that carries you through the night

01:06:19 – Music, success, and staying grounded

01:10:48 – Marriage as shared light, not competition

01:14:09 – What's next for David & Tamela

01:16:21 – Final words of hope and grace

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In this special episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with two of his closest friends and longtime collaborators — Trip Lee and Tedashii — for an honest, funny, and deeply reflective conversation about faith, friendship, calling, and the wild journey that brought them here.

They rewind the tape on the early days of 116, talk about what it was really like building something that would later shape an entire movement, and reflect on what they didn't understand at the time — about leadership, influence, pressure, and God's timing.

Along the way, they unpack:

• How none of this was part of a master plan — and why that matters
• The tension between calling and control
• What leadership looks like when you don't actually want to be "the leader"
• How God used imperfect people, imperfect theology, and imperfect moments to do something lasting
• Why the impact often becomes clear only in the rearview mirror

There are serious moments. There are nostalgic moments. There are hilarious stories (including tour chaos, bad pranks, and arguments that started because everyone was tired and hungry). But underneath it all is a deeper question:

What does it look like to stay faithful over decades — not just seasons?

This episode isn't just about music. It's about friendship that lasts, calling that matures, and a faith that grows deeper as it gets tested by real life.

Whether you've followed these guys since the early 116 days or you're meeting them for the first time, this conversation is a reminder that God rarely writes straight lines — but He does write meaningful stories.

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DC Young Fly opens up like never before.

In this conversation, he speaks honestly about losing his wife, navigating grief, and what it means to stay obedient to God when life doesn't make sense. This isn't about fame, comedy, or success—it's about weakness, discipline, faith, and learning how to respond when everything changes.

DC shares why he leans on God, how obedience has kept him from crashing out, and why mastering your response matters more than trying to control the outcome.

This is a raw, vulnerable look at loss, love, and faith in the middle of pain.

Let's go to the Deep End!

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I'm sure you've never heard a story like this. Brenda Palmer doesn't do "church talk." She does honesty.

In this episode of The Deep End, Lecrae sits down with Brenda Palmer for a deep conversation on what it actually looks like to follow Jesus.

We talk about:

• When her pastor had a affair… (with her boyfriend)
• Singleness as "undivided" devotion—without treating marriage like the finish line
• Staying pure
• The Greek life / "denouncing" conversation, deliverance language, and where conviction ends and fear-mongeing begins
• What Brenda's building next

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Lecrae goes fully unfiltered in this episode—breaking down the AI-Christian music debate, the motives behind viral posts, political fatigue, Christian persecution, racialized narratives, and the cost of actually following Jesus when culture co-opts faith for its own agenda.

From Forrest Frank's comments… to AI artists… to Epstein files… to Nigeria… to Chicago crime narratives… to why Christianity keeps getting used as a weapon… to Kai Cenat publicly praising Jesus—Lecrae processes it all in real time. No script. No PR filter. Just raw, honest reflection on a chaotic week online.

If you've ever wondered "How should a Christian think about all this?"—this episode goes there.

Let's go to the Deep End!

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This one got real. Toni Collier came on The Deep End and opened up about her story in a way that honestly stunned me. We talked childhood trauma, addiction, abusive marriages, infidelity, church hurt, losing everything, rebuilding from nothing, and how Jesus met her in the ashes.

She let us into the parts most people hide… the parts she had to grieve her way through while still being a mom, still trying to follow Jesus, still trying to breathe. And what I love is that she didn't come here pretending. She came here healing.

If you've walked through betrayal, divorce, heartbreak, or just feel like you're carrying more than you can hold.

Toni's new book Don't Try This Alone is all about why we need people, and after this episode… you'll get why.

Lean in. There's real hope in here.

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In this episode, Lecrae sits down with the one-and-only KevOnStage for a raw, hilarious, surprisingly vulnerable conversation about fame, faith, Hollywood, fatherhood, grief, marriage, ambition, and what it means to stay grounded when the whole world has an opinion about your life.

Kev opens up about the early days of his career, why contentment matters more than clout, the pressure of being a public Christian on the internet, and how he learned to stop defending himself to strangers. He talks navigating Hollywood without losing his convictions, dealing with public grief, raising kids while staying sane, and why laughter has become a form of healing after losing his brother.

They unpack the Den of Kings tension with NLE Choppa and Jonathan Majors, the viral Ray J back-smack moment, growing up churchy with no real guidance, and why so many Christians privately break the rules they publicly preach. Kev also shares behind-the-scenes of Churchy, his new show Safe Space, and how marriage, purpose, and heartbreak have shaped the art he makes today.

If you love honest conversation, cultural insight, deep faith reflections, or you just want to laugh until you cry…this one is special.

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Tim Timberlake sat down with Lecrae for one of the most honest conversations we've ever had on The Deep End. From church scandals and false prophets to what real prayer looks like—this episode goes there.

Tim opens up about the dream that changed his life, how he discovered corruption in the church he inherited, and what it really means to lead with integrity when everyone's watching. They dive into the rise of "TikTok prophets," why so many Christians confuse content for calling, and how to actually hear God's voice in a noisy world.

If you've ever been burned by church, confused by the chaos online, or just need a reminder that God still speaks—this one's for you.

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If my son or daughter came to me and said, "Dad, I'm thinking about joining a fraternity or sorority," I'd probably say no, but not for the reasons you think.

In this episode, I share my own story of pledging Kappa Alpha Psi, why I joined, why I left, and how my perspective has changed over the years. I've seen people go back and forth for decades about whether Christians should denounce Black Greek life. Some call it idolatry; others call it community. I've lived both sides of it.

We talk about the real history behind these organizations, why fear often drives the conversation, and what the Bible actually says about things like oaths, culture, and conscience. This isn't about picking sides, it's about being consistent and letting your faith lead your decisions instead of fear.

Whether you've pledged, denounced, or just don't get the hype, I think this will give you something to think about.

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Apologist and evangelist Preston Perry joins Lecrae on The Deep End for a raw and thoughtful conversation about defending the faith without losing compassion. From debating Hebrew Israelites and Muslims to raising kids in a spiritual war, Preston breaks down why winning arguments isn't the same as winning souls — and how empathy, truth, and obedience work together in evangelism.

They dive deep into:

• The difference between apologetics and argument
• How to spot the line between boldness and pride
• Reaching people who've been hurt by religion
• What Christians get wrong about empathy
• The truth about Hebrew Israelites, Islam, and false religions
• Breaking generational curses and fatherhood in a dark world
• The controversy around Charlie Kirk, race, and idolatry in the church

If you've ever wondered how to stand firm in truth while still leading with love — this episode will challenge and encourage you to do both.

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