Law and Chaos
Liz Dye
- 58 minutes 26 secondsEp 203 — The Fifth Circuit Goes Full Korematsu
In Jeffrey Epstein news: Ghislaine Maxwell showed up for congressional testimony, but says she’s taking the Fifth unless and until she gets a pardon. Bill and Hillary Clinton agreed to testify, averting a vote to refer them to DOJ for contempt of Congress. Paul Weiss managing partner Brad Karp stepped down after his emails to the noted pedophile were published.
Luigi Mangione will not face the death penalty, but will face trial this summer.
Main Show:
The Trump administration is trying to magic away Steve Bannon’s contempt of Congress conviction with an assist from SCOTUS. It’s called a GVR, and it’s filthy.
The DOJ sued in state court to get Fulton County’s 2020 ballots. They sued in federal court. And then they got a criminal warrant and just took them. Now Georgia election officials are suing to get their ballots back.
What is going on with that Tulsi Gabbard whistleblower report?
The Fifth Circuit greenlights ICE’s batcrap insane legal theory that the government must hold immigrants in detention indefinitely without a hearing. Should the challengers petition for en banc review, or go straight to SCOTUS?
And for subscribers, we’ll break down FCC Chair Brendan Carr’s threat to investigate the ladies at The View for daring to interview Texas Senate candidate James Talarico — a known Democrat!
Bannon Rule 48(a) Motion to Dismiss
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.237437/gov.uscourts.dcd.237437.207.0.pdf
Bannon Cert Petition
US v. Alexander [DOJ civil suit to see Fulton County ballots]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72028229/united-states-v-alexander/
Pitts v. US [Fulton County suit to recover ballots]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72247417/pitts-v-united-states/
NSA detected foreign intelligence phone call about a person close to Trump
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/07/nsa-foreign-intelligence-trump-whistleblower
Whistle-Blower Report Involved Intelligence About a Trump Contact
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/07/us/politics/whistle-blower-gabbard-trump.html
Buenrostro Mendez v. Bondi
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71870107/buenrostro-mendez-v-bondi/
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10 February 2026, 11:00 am - 40 minutes 9 secondsEp 202 — From Atari to NVIDIA: We Don’t Care, We Don’t Have To!
Andrew flies solo on today’s show, which… coincidentally features a bunch of law from the 1980s. Learn how a 1981 advertisement for a soon-to-be defunct video game system shaped the law of copyright into what it is today after Atari sued Magnavox to pull a Pac-Man clone off the shelves.
In the second story, we talk about the death of antitrust law. What once broke up the phone company’s monopoly is now so defanged that just two companies control almost all of the components that go into your PC. Oh, and the phone company basically reassembled itself.
The computer graphics monopoly set us on the path where computer are rented, not owned. And taking advantage of that was a company that targeted teenagers who want the latest and greatest gaming rig (but can’t afford it). Learn about the consumer fraud lawsuit, potential settlement, and the future of computers. Have we gone backwards since the 1980s? (Yes.)
Check out the independent reporting of Steve Burke at GamersNexus.
Atari, Inc. v. North American Philips Consumer Electronics Corp., 672 F.2d 607 (1982)
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=16433139020722034724
Burns v. Fragile, Inc. [docket via CourtListener]
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.454102/
Steve Burke, GamersNexus YouTube channel
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6 February 2026, 11:00 am - 1 hour 23 secondsEp 201 — Ed Martin, Don’t Let That Doorknob Split Ya!
DOCKET ALERTS:
We bid a fond goodbye to Ed Martin … well, fond-ish.
Liam Ramos, the little boy kidnapped by ICE in Minneapolis along with his father is back home after a judge in Texas granted his habeas petition. Read the scathing order here.
Judge Jia Cobb re-imposed a temporary restraining order barring DHS from excluding legislators from immigrant detention facilities.
Two immigrant rights groups challenged ICE’s homebrew arrest warrants.
The Trump administration finally got that perp walk of Don Lemon. Two weeks ago, a federal magistrate refused to issue an arrest warrant for Lemon, Minnesota journalist Georgia Fort, and three others who were present at the MLK Day protest at a church whose pastor David Easterbrook is an ICE supervisor. Now a grand jury has indicted all eight of the DOJ’s original targets.
Chief Judge Jeffrey Sutton of the Sixth Circuit dropkicked the DOJ’s judicial ethics complaint against Chief Judge James Boasberg of the US District Court in DC. The complaint is based on leaked notes from a closed judicial conference in March, which Law and Chaos is suing to kick loose under FOIA. The Signalgate administration says it has no idea how this judicial record wound up on its servers.
Liz and Andrew sound off on Chief Justice Roberts forcing SCOTUS employees to sign NDAs.
Donald Trump sues the IRS — it’s like suing himself, but you get to foot the bill.
And we ponder whether Trump can legally burn down the Kennedy Center Make the Kennedy Center Great Again.
Plus for subscribers: Andrew’s got a deep dive into the Death on the High Seas Act and the lawsuit filed by survivors of two men murdered in the Caribbean boat strikes.
Justice Dept. demotes Ed Martin, stripping Trump ally of most authority
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/02/02/ed-martin-demoted-justice-department
Liam Ramos Habeas Order
TRO Enjoining DHS from Excluding Legislators From Immigration Facilities
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200.52.0.pdf
The Perp Walk Is The Point
https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/the-perp-walk-is-the-point
US v. Armstrong [Don Lemon Indictment]
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.231103/gov.uscourts.mnd.231103.39.0_1.pdf
DOJ Attacks Judge, Claims Judicial Immunity For Itself
https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/doj-attacks-judge-using-leaked-doc
Judge Sutton Dismissed DOJ Complaint Re Judge Boasberg
https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/internet/judicial_complaints/files/2025/06-25-90173(Chad.MO.pdf
Res Ipsa Media v. DOJ [L&C FOIA suit]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71236135/res-ipsa-media-llc-v-department-of-justice
How the Supreme Court Secretly Made Itself Even More Secretive
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/02/us/supreme-court-nondisclosure-agreements.html
Trump v. IRS
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.706172/gov.uscourts.flsd.706172.1.0_4.pdf
Boat Strike Complaint
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.294916/gov.uscourts.mad.294916.1.0_1.pdf
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3 February 2026, 11:00 am - 57 minutes 14 secondsEp 200 — JGG + CASA = CHAOS
Docket Alerts:
Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard led a raid on the Fulton County Election Hub and Operating Center in Atlanta. ProPublica got the warrant. Mo Ivory, a Democratic commissioner for Fulton County, breaks it down on Instagram.
In Chicago, Marimar Martinez has moved to unseal evidence from DOJ’s failed effort to prosecute her for getting shot by ICE.
Reuters reports that Marcos Charles, the top official in ICE's Enforcement and Removal Operations division, issued new guidance instructing ICE to target only immigrants who have been arrested or convicted of crimes. This would be a huge improvement, but DHS won’t comment.
Main Show:
Once again, this is all the Supreme Court’s fault. Specifically, its rulings in J.G.G. v. Trump and Trump v. CASA led directly to the mayhem in Minnesota. First the Court forced immigrants challenging their detention to file thousands of individual habeas cases. And then they drastically limited the power of federal judges to issue relief when it “discovered” that nationwide injunctions are illegal.
The Trump administration took this as an invitation to break the law, irrespective of how many courts tell them not to, on the theory that CASA means precedent doesn’t count any more. DHS dummied up a memo saying that actually everyone without a green card must be held indefinitely. This is a gross misstatement of the law, as literally hundreds of courts have already ruled. But the Trump administration says because of CASA, they can continue to lock up people who’ve lived here for decades, checking in with DHS, working, paying taxes, and taking care of their families.
Judges are deluged with habeas petitions, which differ from each other only in the particulars of the cruelty being visited upon the individual immigrant. After ICE failed to obey a court order to release a habeas petitioner, Chief Judge Patrick Schiltz in the District Court of Minnesota ordered Todd Lyons, the Acting Director of ICE, to either release the guy or show up and explain why he shouldn’t be held in contempt of court.
ICE released the petitioner, but Judge Schiltz was still furious. He published a list of 96 violations of court orders in January alone — and that’s only in Minnesota! Thanks, Chief Justice Roberts!
On the plus side, Judge Schiltz’s colleague Judge John Tunheim issued a TRO ordering ICE to release every refugee detained under the erroneous memo and quit kidnapping them and spiriting them away to Texas.
And for subscribers, we’ll discuss the Ninth Circuit’s ruling that bars Kristi Noem from unilaterally canceling temporary protected status for a million Venezuelans and Haitians.
Hundreds of judges reject Trump’s mandatory detention policy, with no end in sight
Fulton County Election Hub Warrant
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26513986-1-28-26-fulton-warrant/
Marimar Martinez Motion to Unseal
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487595/gov.uscourts.ilnd.487595.100.0.pdf
Exclusive: ICE officers in Minnesota directed not to interact with 'agitators' in new orders
J.G.G. v. Trump
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdf
Trump v. CASA
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a884_8n59.pdf
Tobay Robles v. Noem
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72120823/tobay-robles-v-noem
Judge Tunheim TRO
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230526/gov.uscourts.mnd.230526.41.0.pdf
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30 January 2026, 11:00 am - 53 minutes 4 secondsEp 199 — Minnesota Nice Is Stronger Than ICE
Hats off to Minnesota! The Twin Cities kicked Greg Bovino’s a** so hard he’s limping back to California and then retiring altogether. We’ll discuss the Trump administration’s apparent pivot on the invasion of Minneapolis and the many legal cases pending there.
First up, Minnesota v. Noem, where the state is trying to convince Judge Katherine Menendez to order DHS out of Minneapolis. Their Tenth Amendment argument got a big boost from Attorney General Pam Bondi, who actually sent Governor Walz a letter offering to pull back ICE’s goons if the state would surrender its legal rights.
Then we’ll discuss Minnesota’s lawsuit to preserve the evidence from the murder of Alex Pretti. The FBI says they’ve got it locked down, but Judge Eric Tostrud isn’t so sure.
Finally we’ve got a deep dive into the DOJ’s effort to turn a protest at a church into a criminal conspiracy to oppress Christians.
Show Links:
Minnesota v. Noem
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72132615/state-of-minnesota-v-noem/?order_by=desc
Bondi-Walz Letter
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mnd.230268/gov.uscourts.mnd.230268.114.1_1.pdf
Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension v. Noem
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72185880/minnesota-bureau-of-criminal-apprehension-v-noem/
US vs SEALED [Nekima Levy-Armstrong]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72181995/united-states-v-sealed/?order_by=desc
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27 January 2026, 11:00 am - 55 minutes 6 secondsEp 198 — Kristi Noem’s Lawyers Are Making Sh*t Up
An ICE whistleblower reveals a secret memo where DHS lawyers say agents can arrest people in their homes without a warrant. The Fourth Amendment says otherwise! And the Supreme Court’s conservatives were extremely unimpressed with Trump’s plan to fire Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook on Truth Social. We’ll break down Wednesday’s oral argument in detail but first, we’ve got approximately one million ...
DOCKET ALERTS (Dun dun DUNNNN):
Former Special Counsel Jack Smith testified before the House Judiciary Committee. Watch it for yourself here.
The Justice Department arrested three people in relation to the protest on January 18 at Cities Church in St. Paul. Nothing has appeared on the docket, but the DOJ claims to have charged them under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1994, meant to protect women seeking abortion care.
The Eighth Circuit administratively stayed District Judge Katherine Menendez’s preliminary injunction barring DHS goons from brutalizing protesters.
A jury in Chicago took just three hours to acquit a man of trying to hire someone to murder CBP’s head thug Greg Bovino. Don’t drunk text!
Donald Trump’s latest trollsuit targets JP Morgan Chase and its CEO Jamie Dimon. It’s filed in state court in Miami and seeks $5 billion for tortious debanking.
Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson secured a standstill order barring the government from looking at the computers and hard drives it seized from her house in Virginia as part of its investigation into classified leaks by government contractor Aurelio Luis Perez-Lugones.
The Fifth Circuit, sitting en banc, reheard a challenge to Louisiana’s HB71, which required every public school classroom to display the Ten Commandments. Background here.
Judge Paul Engelmayer rebuffed a request by Reps. Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna to enforce the Epstein Files Transparency Act and order the government to disclose all materials on Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Remember this next time you hear some rightwing pundit railing against “activist judges.”
And we bid a fond farewell to Lindsey Halligan, who finally quit trying to pass herself off as US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. Well … fond-ish. After getting benchslapped by a federal judge and seeing her job posted online by the chief judge in EDVA, she finally took the hint.
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23 January 2026, 11:00 am - 55 minutes 19 secondsEp 197 — OBBBA the Hut
Breaking! The president is bugf*** insane! But first … docket alerts. Dun-dun-DUNNNNN.
We’ve reached the “yelling at chestnuts for being lazy” stage of the presidency, as Trump barks out ever-nuttier orders.
Meanwhile in Texas, Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk managed to moot the appeal of an LGBTQ+ student group at West Texas A&M which sued in 2023 to enjoin their school’s ban on drag shows. All he had to do was rush out an opinion in 48 hours saying that drag shows are not expressive conduct covered by the First Amendment. And lie about Fifth Circuit precedent!
TG we have at least one good legal development, this time out of Minnesota!
For the main show, we’ll break down the legal implications of Elon Musk building a chatbot in his own abusive troll image. Will the Take It Down Act put a stop to AI generation of deepfake CSAM and NCII?
Meanwhile over at the Department of Homeland Security, Secretary Kristi Noem and her minions are a wee smidge confused about the Fourth Amendment. If you can even believe it! But even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while. DHS wins a round against legislators seeking to inspect ICE detention facilities thanks to some creative accounting. But the victory may be short-lived.]
And subscribers will get another visit with that Overstock.com weirdo Patrick Byrne, who managed to lose a defamation case against the most defamation-proof defendant in America. Guest starring: Stefanie Lambert.
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20 January 2026, 11:00 am - 54 minutes 37 secondsEp 196 — None of this sh*t is legal!
The Trump administration’s war on Minnesota continues, and now the president is threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act. Clearly he thinks that is synonymous with declaring THE PURGE. But he’s wrong, and we’ll tell you why. Plus we’ve got good news(!) on California redistricting, green energy, and voting rights.
Links:
Tangipa v. Newsom [CA gerrymander]
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.994285
The Atlantic Monthly v. Google [Google ad antitrust]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72135468/the-atlantic-monthly-group-llc-v-google-llc/
US v. Oregon [DOJ demands OR voter rolls]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71363789/united-states-v-state-of-oregon/
US v. Weber [DOJ demands CA voter rolls]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/71452580/united-states-v-shirley-weber
Minnesota v. USDA
Minnesota v. Noem
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72132615/state-of-minnesota-v-noem/?order_by=desc
Tincher v. Noem
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72047643/tincher-v-noem/
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16 January 2026, 11:00 am - 54 minutes 54 secondsEp 195 — Protect Jerome!
Markets are freaked out about the DOJ’s threats to Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell. And so are we! We’ve got a deep dive into a court order barring Trump from adding an extra-legal proof of citizenship requirement to voter registration forms and a breakdown of Illinois and Minnesota’s respective lawsuits against ICE and CBP. And for subscribers, we’ll explain why JD Vance’s claim that “Every president, Democrat or Republican, believes the War Powers Act is fundamentally a fake and unconstitutional law,” is utter BS.
Links:
Kelly v. Hegseth
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72131361/kelly-v-hegseth/
Neguse v. ICE
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/70964222/neguse-v-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement
New York v. Burgum [Nichols]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72126766/state-of-new-york-v-burgum/
New York v. Burgum [Lamberth]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72126847/state-of-new-york-v-burgum/
Federal prosecutor in Virginia fired after refusing to lead Comey case
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/12/us-attorney-virginia-fired-j
Trump DOJ fires prosecutor who declined to pursue James Comey case
https://www.ms.now/news/trump-doj-fires-prosecutor-who-declined-to-pursue-james-comey-case
Washington v. Trump [Election EO]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69845185/state-of-washington-v-trump/
Illinois v. DHS
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72131845/state-of-illinois-v-department-of-homeland-security/
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13 January 2026, 11:00 am - 52 minutes 43 secondsEp 194 — Justice For Renee Good?
Congressional Republicans defect to support two Democratic resolutions. It’s not exactly a show of spine — maybe a vertebrae — but is it the beginning of something? Yet another US Attorney gets disqualified, this time in New York. Meanwhile Judges in Virginia wonder how it’s remotely ethical for Lindsey Halligan to present herself in court filings as a US Attorney. The DOJ is violating the Epstein Files Transparency Act. And what legal recourse is there for the family of Renee Good, who was executed by ICE officers in Minneapolis. Plus for subscribers: Dominion tries to get Mike Lindell and Patrick Byrne to STFU long enough to wind down their litigation.
Links:
War Powers Resolution
https://www.kaine.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/dav25m71.pdf
Massachusetts v. NIH [Indirect Costs]
https://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/sites/ca1/files/opnfiles/25-1343P-01A.pdf
American Hospital Association v. HHS [Drug Rebates]
https://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/sites/ca1/files/opnfiles/25-2236O-01A.pdf
In Re Grand Jury Subpoenas to the Office of the New York State Attorney General v. US [Disqualification US Atty NDNY]
US v. Jefferson [Halligan signature challenge]
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.586310
US v. Comey [4th Circuit appeal]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72065969/united-states-v-james-comey-jr/?order_by=desc
US v. James [4th Circuit appeal]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72065734/united-states-v-letitia-james/?order_by=desc
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9 January 2026, 11:00 am - 1 hour 6 minutesEp 193 — The Fog of War … Crimes
On our first show back after the holidays, Brian Finucane, a senior advisor at the International Crisis Group, explains the legal ramifications of invading Venezuela and kidnapping its leader for “law enforcement.” We’ll break down the Supreme Court’s ruling eviscerating Trump’s effort to conscript National Guard troops to terrorize cities. And for subscribers, Justin Baldoni will once again teach us (how not to) CivPro.
Links:
Trump v. Illinois [Supreme Court]
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/25a443_new_b07d.pdf
Brian Finucane, Presidential War Powers, the Take Care Clause, and Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, Cornell Law Review (2020)
https://live-cornell-law-review.pantheonsite.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Finucane-final.pdf
1989 OLC Memorandum
US v. Commonwealth of Virginia [In-state tuition for immigrant children]
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72085714/united-states-v-commonwealth-of-virginia/
JGG v. Trump
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69741724/jgg-v-trump/?order_by=desc
Lively v. Baldoni
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69741724/jgg-v-trump/?order_by=desc
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