In this episode I get into bids for connection, the Gottman Institute's term for the small moments when your partner reaches out to you, and why how often you turn towards them is one of the biggest predictors of whether a couple stays together or gets divorced. I go through the newlywed research that followed couples for six years and sorted them into masters and disasters, and the part that actually matters, which is not catching every bid but going back to repair the ones you miss. I talk about the emotional bank account, Alexis Fernandez's tennis ball, the bird theory trend and Robert Irwin's answer to it, and why the phone is the biggest killer of all of it. I go into the year I spent making big grand gestures while missing the small ones, and what changed in the two weeks before I recorded this.

This one was made with Denza. We packed the B5, drove up into the hinterland and set camp for the night, and that is where the episode was recorded. The cooler in the centre console kept the sandwiches cold on the way up, the boot is spacious and fits everything we need and this car is just such a pleasure to drive. Thanks DENZA Gold Coast.

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The companion to the phone half of this one.

How to Help People Feel Comfortable | Episode 179: 
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The instinct I did not have a name for until this one.

#146 Harry Garside: Masculinity, Vulnerability & Boxing: 
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Jesse Campbell grew up in New Zealand, and works full time as an accountant on the Gold Coast while juggling Marathon training himself, coaching and Content Creation. He ran his first marathon in Queenstown in November 2024 in 3:28 18 months later he ran 2:44 in Osaka. That is 45 minutes off a marathon in under two years, done around a nine to five.

In this episode Jesse and I discuss why he started running, which had nothing to do with racing and everything to do with being lost after he stopped playing basketball. He explains what a day actually looks like at 4:30am, seven runs a week fitted around a full working day, and why that stopped feeling like discipline a long time ago. We get into the race he blew up in after Osaka and his honest read on why it went wrong. Most of it lands wider than running though. What putting a goal out in public actually does to you. How he handles comparison when everyone is posting their times. And what he would say to someone who looks at the people ahead of them and decides there is no point starting, which is that if you stick at anything you can progress at it, and that has carried into the rest of his life further than the running has.

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In this episode, we discuss the difference between motivation, discipline and obsession, and why they behave like three different fuel sources rather than three settings of the same one. We get into the 2017 research on self control that found the most disciplined people are not the ones winning daily fights with themselves, they are the ones who face fewer fights in the first place. We talk about discipline as obsession residue, the two kinds of passion that look identical from the outside and run in opposite directions underneath, the red flags that show the needle has gone too far, and Craig Alexander asking himself at the back end of his career whether he was being selfish. Keegan lands on where he sits on the spectrum, and leaves you with the question he could not shake: if the thing disappeared tomorrow, would you still know who you are.

This podcast is supported by Denza. Thanks DENZA Gold Coast for getting behind the show. https://www.denzagoldcoast.com.au/

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#129 Craig Alexander: Harder Than Ironman The episode Keegan quotes in this one, and the clearest example of the leash being held.

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This is episode 200. In the last hundred episodes I got married, found out I am about to become a dad, and took this podcast full time. I ran Tokyo, Boston and London, with Berlin, Chicago and New York still to come. We brought on our first full time staff member, and we have not missed a weekly episode in three and a half years. Thank you to everyone who has listened along the way. In this episode, I answer the same nine questions past guests recorded for episode 100, and then I watch back what I said the first time and react to it. I talk about the advice from Ali Day I have done every day since, finding out my partner was pregnant on the second of January, sitting in my car at the shops unable to see a way forward, and the stranger who knocked on the window. I cover what I do for my own mental health, why rest turned out to be the fuel rather than the reward, and the whats next for Keegan & Company.

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If you want to watch our last Q&A, here is the one we did at 100 episodes:

#100 Keegan Hipgrave: Q&A

If you want to listen to some of our most listened to episodes from the last 100 episodes, check these out:

#106 Mary Fowler: ACL, Art and Long Distance Relationships
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#170 Grace Grove: Doctor, Runner & Content Creator | Being Yourself & Ditching Toxic Productivity

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This week on a special edition of the Keegan & Company Podcast we welcome Eddie Hearn.

Eddie Hearn took over a promotion built by his father and turned it into the biggest name in world boxing. He runs around forty fight nights a year. This year Matchroom landed in Australia. A new deal with Foxtel brings seven of those cards onto Australian soil, available on Kayo, and the first is at The Star on the Gold Coast, headlined by Teremoana Teremoana and Michael Zerafa. The morning before the card, Eddie and Keegan ran 5k together and then sat down on the sand and recorded this. Grateful he gave us the time.

In this episode, we discuss growing up as Barry Hearn's son and why outperforming a successful father is its own kind of hard start, the drive behind his rule that nobody in his industry will ever outwork him, and why the person with a nine to five walking this beach can be more successful than the billionaire. We also discuss consistency (keep banging on the door, it might take one bang or a thousand), why his favourite saying, this too shall pass, is really about the good times, what interviewing Adam Peaty, Mark Cavendish, Mo Farah and Frank Lampard taught him about the cost of obsession, the selfishness it takes to be the best at anything, and the legacy he wants to leave by making boxing a prominent sport in Australia.

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Johnny Gannon grew up in Maroubra in the Bra Boys era, when you did not talk about your problems and showing any weakness put you at the bottom of the pile. He has spent the last 25 years on the jiu-jitsu mats, took nearly 20 years to earn his black belt, and now runs eight-week health challenges with chapters right across Australia. At 54 he still trains most days, teaches his three kids, and is as curious as he has ever been. We were stoked to get him in.

In this episode, we discuss how training became his way of coping, why he reckons you have to look after number one before you can look after anyone else, and the mate who told him to respect himself. He explains his wheel of health, the eight-week challenge that has people quitting the drink for good, and learning to hold his breath for three and a half minutes on an empty lung by getting curious instead of scared. We also get into the Bra Boys years, the grit that came out of them, and what he wants for his own kids instead.

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Dr Geoff Wilson kite skied 5,306 kilometres across Antarctica on his own, the longest solo unsupported polar journey anyone has done. He holds a stack of other polar records and works as a vet in between them. Keegan spent two weeks with him on the Canning Stock Route, a recce for Geoff's next crossing, 1850 kilometres of Western Australian desert by wind power. Keegan recorded this one alone at sunrise, at the end of the trip. What stood out was not Geoff's fitness or his gear. It was how fast he came back to baseline when everything went wrong. 

In this episode, we discuss why emotional regulation is the skill behind Geoff's world records, the campfire conversations about building resilience in adults and in kids, the suicide rate among vets and the resilience training Geoff runs for his staff, why comfort quietly costs us, Keegan getting rag dolled out of a kite buggy for an hour before it all finally clicked, the experienced four wheel drivers who said the crossing was not possible, working within your means instead of jumping to extremes, the 50 kilometre ultra that made Keegan hate running for 18 months, and why the more space you have above your head, the bigger the idea gets.

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Geoff's full conversation with us, recorded before this trip.
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Geoff Wilson is one of the most experienced adventurers in the world, with a particular affinity for wind powered travel. He's crossed Antarctica (and holds the world record for doing so), the Sahara Desert and the Simpson Desert, to name a few. His latest mission is to cross the Canning Stock Route, an 1,850km route regarded as the most remote 4WD track in the world, using wind power or human power alone. This episode was recorded on the reconnaissance mission to scout out the project, shot in the Tanami Desert just outside Billiluna, WA. Thanks Geoff for having us out there.

In this episode, we discuss how a wind powered crossing actually works, why the people who've walked this track by camel say the vegetation makes it impossible, kiting into Billiluna and the kids who'd never seen a kite before, why he changes kites instead of persisting with one that half works, the ice bath course and the young vet who wouldn't put her toe in, suicide in veterinary science, losing his dad and his best mate in the same twelve months, and why he thinks hard times make good people.

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If you'd like to hear more adventures from Geoff, we sat down for a full length episode last year.

#131 Geoff Wilson: A Life of Adventure — Spotify | Apple Podcasts | YouTube

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Alex Boyce is the founder and owner of Sun Devil. He grew up in Arizona and moved to the Gold Coast in his twenties. A few years later he started Sun Devil started as a farmers market stall, soon enough there were queues of 70+ people to get their hands on a Sun Devil coffee, before the doors shut overnight.

In this episode, we discuss why he stayed silent when the rumours started, the decision to only ever do cold coffee, what it does to a business when one video changes the volume overnight, why Keegan thinks good marketing makes a bad product fail faster (Sun Devil has a good product), what money does to friendships, what happened during the months after the doors shut, and the stretch he describes as the first time he actually understood what depression was.

This episode includes discussion of depression and suicidal thoughts. If you need support, Lifeline is on 13 11 14.

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Clint Kimmins has chased 60 foot waves at Nazaré and finished Ironmans. The thing he's most proud of is surviving six months in a maximum security prison.

He went in at the peak of his surfing career with a beer belly and came out an athlete. This week we sat down with the big wave surfer and long course triathlete to talk about the surf club brawl that put him inside, the pile of letters that showed him he was actually loved, and the mindset that got him through the door on day one. We get into the harder stuff too. Losing his mum, the morning he woke to a voice memo from his dad, and how the two of them talk more now than they have in twenty years. And then there's Nazaré. One of the biggest days ever, borrowed gear, the wrong vest, over the falls near the cliff, held under longer than he's ever been. He calls it the best thing that's ever happened to him. Full episode out now.

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Harry Garside won an Olympic boxing medal, then sat in hotel quarantine with it around his neck, crying, because the thing he'd chased for sixteen years still hadn't made him feel like a man.

He started boxing at nine because he felt soft next to his two older brothers, and spent most of his life wearing what he calls an impenetrable armour to hide it. This Moment is about the version of masculinity you never stop having to prove, why external validation stopped working once he finally had it, and what he found underneath when he went looking internally instead.

We first ran this conversation in December, recorded a few weeks earlier in November 2025. After the response to our recent chat with Luke Bateman on shame and vulnerability, Harry's take felt worth putting back in front of you. Still one of our favourites.

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