Khatijah Rahmat, a postdoctoral researcher at the Max Planck Institute for the History of Science in Germany, says she's trying to build legitimacy around the concept of animal temporality — the ability to experience time — specifically in elephants. Doing so could have implications for conservation and beyond.

"How we envision an animal's relationship to time influences whether we see them as feeling, remembering beings. My aim is to encourage a more dynamic view of their place in the world when we recognize them as equally temporal beings."

This week on the Mongabay Newscast, Rahmat explains three key areas of evidence for interpreting elephant temporal experience and how this knowledge could be folded into how we think about protecting elephants or animals in general.

"I think it increases the depth of empathy we can have for animals," she says. "It can really push the concepts of policy … but it also can really challenge some of our current, basic assumptions about how we think about logic and evidence."

Image credit: An elephant that has just wallowed in mud in the Linyanti River in northern Botswana. Image by Roger Borgelid for Mongabay.

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Timecodes

(00:00) Why study how animals experience time?

(06:58) Elephant eco-cultural identity

(11:58) Human-impacted time

(27:03) Individual elephant history

(34:44) Getting hit with a pineapple is no accident

(39:30) How this might help conservation

Indigenous scholar Tyson Yunkaporta (Apalech clan (Wik) Lostmob Nungar) joins the Mongabay Newscast to detail the Aboriginal perspectives behind his latest book, Right Story, Wrong Story: Adventures in Indigenous Thinking. The book explains how stories shape society, how they can harm us and the environment, and how they may save our species and the natural world.

Yunkaporta explains how Indigenous laws, systems and lore can help us improve modern society, specifically in how humans relate first to the land, then to each other, and why this shapes how we exploit nature and care for it.

Identifying the "wrong story" is critical, Yunkaporta explains, to correcting harmful behaviors or ways of governing. Ultimately, it's a lie, he says. Personified by what he characterizes as narcissistic or selfish behavior, it's generally seen by those who exploit the natural world at the expense of community well-being.

"It's a terrible thing to … misrepresent things, make false claims, bear false witness in a way that is bending story, the story that everybody follows. The narratives that people tell that weave together to make a community and to hold a community on the right path that's sustainable for thousands of years."

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Image Credit: Mt. Taranaki, Aotearoa New Zealand, captured March 16, 2022. Image courtesy of Planet Labs PBC.

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Timecodes

(00:00) What is 'Wrong Story'?

(14:26) The 'Sacred Mind'

(17:54) First Law

(27:24) The environment and Wrong Story

(38:13) The tale of Tidalik the frog

(42:28) Totems and kinship

(47:06) Serpent law

Mongabay Latam's multiyear, *award-winning **investigation that uncovered 67 clandestine airstrips in the Peruvian Amazon used for drug trafficking sent waves across the local media landscape. It drew attention to the Indigenous communities impacted by these illegal airstrips and the 15 Indigenous leaders who were killed defending their territory. To communicate this story to a wider audience, Mongabay Latam director Maria Isabel Torres and managing editor Alexa Vélez adapted it into an interactive live theater performance for an audience of 100.

They join this week's podcast to tell the "story behind the story" of what they, their reporters, and Indigenous leaders experienced during this investigation, and how their play adaptation brings that to the eyes and ears of a theatrical audience.

"I think that all the journalists in these times, we are very worried [about] trying to find ways to understand our audience and to get their attention. We know that there are news avoiders. We know that there are fake news. So we are trying to look for different ways," Torres says.

*This story was first published by Mongabay Latam in Spanish on Nov. 12, 2024, and won the 2025 Global Shining Light Award for investigative journalism and the Digital Storytelling prize given by the 2025 Future of Media Awards.

**This investigation was conducted in partnership with the Consortium to Support Independent Journalism in the Region (CAPIR), which leads the Institute for War and Peace Reporting (IWPR) in Latin America.

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Image: In the Indigenous community of Galilea, drug traffickers abandoned this airstrip a year ago. But they could revive it at any time. Image by Mongabay Latam.

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Timecodes

(00:00) Chasing answers on narco airstrips

(13:38) Ground-truthing the data and building relationships

(18:41) Risks, impacts and beyond

(28:55) Bringing the story to the stage

(36:13) "The story behind the story"

(44:48) Plans for the future

National Geographic photographer Kiliii Yuyän returns to the Mongabay Newscast to share his experience creating his new book, Guardians of Life: Indigenous Knowledge, Indigenous Science, and Restoring the Planet from specialty publisher Braided River. This book documents the traditional ecological knowledge (TEK) of nine Indigenous communities worldwide, featuring contributions and essays from many members of these communities, along with Yüyan's own photography.

TEK, Yüyan says, isn't exactly traditional so much as it is ecological knowledge that is place-based. While it draws on thousands of years of knowledge, it also innovates in society as we know it, and can offer social, cultural and ecological benefits that neoliberal economics does not.

Yüyan highlights that some of the most significant environmental victories of the past few years, such as the removal of the Klamath River dams in the United States — the largest dam removal project ever — were led by Indigenous people. Yüyan's imagery captures the essence of the decades it took for Lisa Moorehead-Hillman, Leaf Hillman and others to advocate for their removal.

"I think what the great power of the book is in a lot of ways is the power of photography … actually seeing it. That this is what it means when we're talking about what is shamanism, what does it mean when you remove a dam … and you see it in people's faces."

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Image Credit: Lisa Morehead-Hillman and Leif Hillman, both Karuk, celebrate the removal of the dams on the newly exposed reservoir floor in 2024. The former head of the Karuk Natural Resources Department, Leif spent two decades working with other Indigenous groups, environmental organizations and government officials to bring back the Klamath River. Image courtesy of Kiliii Yüyan.

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Timecodes

(00:00) What is traditional ecological knowledge?

(08:00) When values and governance go together

(17:38) Why and when hunters share their bounty in Greenland

(27:26) In Mongolia ceremonies are conservation

(39:12) How to get a dam removed

(46:08) Why the buffalo is the best environmentalist

A year ago, U.S. President Donald Trump shut down public access to the Development Experience Clearinghouse, a $30 billion database holding 60 years' worth of institutional knowledge from more than 150,000 projects administered by the U.S. Agency for International Development. But before the closure, former USAID employee and artificial intelligence scientist Lindsey Moore used a large language model (LLM) to read all of the information in this database — rescuing critical lessons on development, environmental, economic and social projects in countries across the globe, all documented by USAID.

The data also included information on conservation projects. Many of the challenges presented in these projects repeated over the years, but the lessons were rarely retained — something Moore's tech startup, DevelopMetrics, hopes to change.

Moore joins this week's podcast to explain what those lessons are and what conservationists can learn from them. DevelopMetrics deploys an AI model capable of understanding not just the information from USAID's database, but also other public databases that could be at risk of deletion or being lost to time.

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Banner image: Mangroves on Vanua Levu Island, Fiji. Image by Rhett A. Butler/Mongabay.

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Timecodes

(00:00) Lindsey's background with USAID

(04:14) How to analyze 60 years of data

(11:07) Uncovering hidden lessons

(14:24) 1. Bring delivery closer to households

(16:43) 2. Practice changes practice

(19:19) 3. Design for scale, not for pilots

(24:08) 4. Co-creation beats consultation

(26:30) 5. Strengthen the middle layer

(30:56) Who DevelopMetrics works with and how they are funded

(32:58) Energy and water costs of LLMs

It's been more than half a century since the publication of Silent Spring by the scientist and creative writer Rachel Carson. The seminal volume caught the attention of U.S. presidents, artists and musicians, spurring the environmental movement and leading to the eventual ban of the toxic pesticide DDT.

Joining the Mongabay Newscast is environmental writer and director of the creative writing program at Middlebury College, Megan Mayhew Bergman. She unpacks the impact of Carson's work, which came under public attack from chemical companies seeking to discredit her, and how, eventually, the truth broke through.

"We don't change our minds usually based on data. We change our minds based on emotion, but historically, it's been pretty taboo for scientists to include emotion in the way that they write. And I feel like Carson risked that here in a way that was really powerful."

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Image: Megan Mayhew Bergman. Image by Cameron Russell.

Environmental writing and authors mentioned in this conversation:

Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer

Florida by Lauren Groff

The Home Place by J. Drew Lanham

Hope Is the Thing With Feathers by Christopher Cokinos

How Strange a Season by Megan Mayhew Bergman

Silent Spring by Rachel Carson

Under a White Sky by Elizabeth Kolbert

Vesper Flights by Helen Macdonald

The Wild Flag by E.B. White

Zora Neale Hurston

Other works and authors mentioned:

Ecology of a Cracker Childhood by Janisse Ray

Men We Reaped by Jasmyn Ward

A Small Place by Jamaica Kincaid

Speak Memory by Vladimir Nabokov

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Timestamps

(00:00) Changing hearts and minds

(02:46) Rachel Carson's journey to Silent Spring

(08:22) Controversy and impact

(14:40) Room for a new voice

(20:55) Bioaccumulation and what it means

(24:07) "We don't change our minds based on data"

(26:43) Recommended reads

(35:21) The American South and environmental writing

(39:57) Lessons for writers

Across Mediterranean Europe, olive groves are in decline from a range of factors, from disease to depopulation. In Italy alone, there are roughly 440 million abandoned olive trees, and the ecological, cultural and socioeconomic impacts from the loss are devastating, explains the latest guest on the Mongabay Newscast. Still, solutions exist to help turn the tide of this under-discussed problem.

Federica Romano is the program coordinator and UNESCO Chair on Agricultural Heritage Landscapes at the University of Florence. On this episode of the Mongabay Newscast she discusses the drivers of the degradation and abandonment of olive groves, how ecological factors and human-induced climate change exacerbate these, and the consequences for biodiversity and wildlife in Europe, where olive oil isn't just an economic institution, but also a significant cultural one.

"Olive groves hold [a] deep cultural significance that goes far beyond agriculture [and] food production across Europe," she says. "Olive trees have symbolized peace, resilience and continuity through thousands of years, appearing in religious contexts, but also in arts and historical narratives."

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Timecodes

(00:00) Intro

(01:52) The degradation and abandonment of olive groves

(03:27) Ecological and cultural importance

(07:14) Rural depopulation

(11:00) Environmental threats to olive groves

(15:32) Solutions and adoption schemes

(17:29) Agroforestry and agroecology solutions

(24:03) Fake olive oil

(25:40) How you can help

Professional drag artist and environmental activist Pattie Gonia has more than 2 million followers on Instagram and has raised $1.2 million for environmental nonprofits by hiking 100 miles, or 160 kilometers, in full drag into San Francisco. She has gained international recognition for using drag artistry to advocate for the environment, in acknowledgment and celebration of hundreds of researchers and scientists in the field who identify as queer.

She joins Mongabay's podcast to explain why joy is a fundamental ingredient missing in the environmental advocacy space, how she prioritizes it in her work as a drag performer and activist, and why she feels the environmental movement must prioritize it to succeed.

"If we want people to join this movement, we have to make it freaking fun," she says.

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Image Credit: Pattie Gonia. Image courtesy of Pattie Gonia.

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Timecodes

(00:00) Hiking 100 miles in drag for the climate

(04:50) The origins of Pattie Gonia

(12:53) Looking at science through a lens of humanity

(16:38) On drag artistry and nature

(21:10) Bridging the gap between culture and nature

(26:19) What can we build instead of burn?

(35:22) "We have to make it freaking fun"

Judith Enck is a former regional administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, appointed by President Barack Obama, and the founder of Beyond Plastics, an organization dedicated to eradicating plastic pollution worldwide. She joins Mongabay's podcast to discuss how governments can implement policies to turn off the tap on plastic pollution, which harms human health and devastates our ecological systems — solutions she outlines in her new book with co-author Adam Mahoney, The Problem with Plastic: How We Can Save Ourselves and Our Planet Before It's Too Late.

"We now have all of this evidence. We have no choice but to act. Because who's going to stand by and let us turn the ocean into a watery landfill? Who's going to stand by and read health study after health study about microplastics in our brains and breast milk and testicles? Not taking action is not an option," she says.

Image credit: Judith Enck holding a copy of The Problem with Plastic. Image by Jerrick Mitra

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Timecodes

(00:00) The Problem with plastic

(02:55) Unpacking the plastic recycling myth

(08:31) Health impacts of plastic pollution

(12:43) Government and policy solutions

(31:43) Individual actions

(37:22) Plastic pollution and wildlife impacts

(45:52) Plastics and climate change

Gregg Treinish didn't start out as an outdoor enthusiast, but found solace and purpose in nature during his youth. After years of enjoying the outdoors, he was left feeling a need to give something back to the world.

He found fulfillment by using his passion for outdoor adventures to gather critical data that researchers need for conservation and scientific research. That's how his nonprofit organization, Adventure Scientists, came to be.

"We harness the collective power of the tens of thousands of people that are outside every day — who love the outdoors and have a passion for exploring the outdoors — and we give them real scientific missions that they can do while they're out there that benefit conservation," Treinish says.

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Image Credit: Gregg Treinish in the Oakavango. Photo courtesy of Adventure Scientists

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Timecodes

(00:00) From "at-risk-youth" to conservation professional

(19:03) Current initiatives and future plans

(26:25) Studying killer whales

(29:15) Tracking white bark pine

(32:12) Antibiotic resistance research

(35:55) Empowering people to make an impact

Mongabay senior editor Philip Jacobson joins Mongabay's podcast to discuss a two-part investigation about how state governments in Brazil have been procuring shark meat — which is high in mercury and arsenic — and serving it to potentially millions of children and citizens via thousands of schools and public institutions. With Mongabay's Karla Mendes and Pulitzer's Kuang Keng Kuek Ser, Jacobson spent a year digging into public databases of government shark meat orders, called tenders.

"It's quite widespread," Jacobson says. "We found shark meat tenders in 10 states and shark meat being served or being procured for more than 500 municipalities."

Government nutritionists were also found to be recommending shark meat for school lunches because it has no bones, and even when one school official raised concerns about heavy metal contamination in the meat, her concerns were not heeded. Critics' concerns extend beyond vulnerable populations like schoolkids, too, since shark is also on the menus of public institutions like homeless shelters, maternity wards and elder care centers.

But since the investigation was released, one lawmaker has called for a parliamentary hearing to discuss the findings.

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Image Credit: A blue shark (Prionace glauca). Image courtesy of Ellen Cuylaerts/Ocean Image Bank.

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Timecodes

(00:00) Millions of Brazilians fed shark meat

(12:33) Impacts from Mongabay's investigation

(24:29) Marine related issues flying under the radar

(27:13) Why Phil chose investigative reporting

(32:40) The GIJN conference